Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Openside]

What bullshit, you have just made that shit up to support your own bigoted and reactionary narrow viewpoint.
There is no evidence whatsoever that your opinion has any validity at all.

you are clueless if you don’t think remainers have been sneering at Brexiteers for the last 4 years.

So now we're on to "attitudes to people after the vote are the reason the vote went the way it did"?

You really are a massive bellend that isn’t what I have said at all (and you know it) the sneering is further evidence of the prevailing attitude towards anyone who thought the UK’s future was better outside Europe both before and after the vote. This whole branch was begun by a very ‘remainder elite’ style comment. Let them get back to Scaffolding. It’s Maurice Antoine-esque

[Rinkals]

I understand but am contending that the group which decided the referendum had no expectations post Brexit: they voted to give the Govt a bloody nose.

And, in doing so, they've cut their own noses off.

[Torquemada 1420]

I understand but am contending that the group which decided the referendum had no expectations post Brexit: they voted to give the Govt a bloody nose.

And, in doing so, they've cut their own noses off.

That may well transpire to be true but alters nothing in regards my contention that the outcome was a result of Govt arrogance coupled with incompetence.

[JM2K6]

you are clueless if you don’t think remainers have been sneering at Brexiteers for the last 4 years.

So now we're on to "attitudes to people after the vote are the reason the vote went the way it did"?

You really are a massive bellend that isn’t what I have said at all (and you know it) the sneering is further evidence of the prevailing attitude towards anyone who thought the UK’s future was better outside Europe both before and after the vote. This whole branch was begun by a very ‘remainder elite’ style comment. Let them get back to Scaffolding. It’s Maurice Antoine-esque

This you?

It is the sneering superiority that led to the working class to support Brexit.

(next post)

you are clueless if you don’t think remainers have been sneering at Brexiteers for the last 4 years.

You moved the goalposts immediately and then call ME a bellend because you get called out on it? Fuck off, maybe read the nonsense you post first if you don't want people to point out how illogical it is.

[Rinkals]

I understand but am contending that the group which decided the referendum had no expectations post Brexit: they voted to give the Govt a bloody nose.

And, in doing so, they've cut their own noses off.

That may well transpire to be true but alters nothing in regards my contention that the outcome was a result of Govt arrogance coupled with incompetence.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

[SaintK]

Another thicko promoted way above her abilities. I bet the conversations between her and Patel make your ears bleed!!!

Prisons minister Lucy Frazer appeared on Woman’s Hour this week to explain how the government is trying to reduce the number of women in the country’s prisons.
To do this, she is... building 500 new prison cells.
We can’t quite work out the logic of this, and neither could Woman’s Hour host Emma Barnett.

[media] [/media]

[Torquemada 1420]

Another thicko promoted way above her abilities. I bet the conversations between her and Patel make your ears bleed!!!

Prisons minister Lucy Frazer appeared on Woman’s Hour this week to explain how the government is trying to reduce the number of women in the country’s prisons.
To do this, she is... building 500 new prison cells.
We can’t quite work out the logic of this, and neither could Woman’s Hour host Emma Barnett.

[media] [/media]

F**k me. Even the interviewer missed the pertinent stat:
- female prison population has dropped by 25% to 3000 ergo it WAS 4000
- therefore there must be 1000 spaces free in the system
- so even if 20,000 plods are employed just to find 500 more prisonable female offenders, 500 is less than 1000

[Woddy]

It was widely posited immediately after the referendum result, and has been ever since, that a significant factor in the Brexit vote was as a protest by those who felt disenfranchised and forgotten, as part of a general slap in the face of the establishment (whether in government, the media or metropolitan society) who no longer listened to their complaints and concerns. Comparisons were and still are made with an apparently similar movement in the States in the Fly-Over states, etc.

Whether you agree with that or not, it was and is definitely commented on. I think it covers the sneering that OS refers to.

And yet, whenever people were asked for the reasons they voted for Brexit...

Some said they did so, at least in part, as a warning to the Government and general establishment. That includes many who thought it would be no more than that as they expected the result to be in favour of Remain. Anyway, I suspect most voted for a clutch of reasons, of which the anti-establishment FU was just one. Torq has expressed the same point well.

As an aside, the supposed sneering from the Remain side is often cited as to why the Leave result was such a shock: many people did not feel their real views were or are welcome in everyday conversations. Of course, that completes the vicious circle for those who feel they are forgotten, left behind or whatever.

[ASMO]

I suspect you would find a great many more who voted leave originally who would now vote to remain than the other way around.

[Happyhooker]

you are clueless if you don’t think remainers have been sneering at Brexiteers for the last 4 years.

So now we're on to "attitudes to people after the vote are the reason the vote went the way it did"?

You really are a massive bellend that isn’t what I have said at all (and you know it) the sneering is further evidence of the prevailing attitude towards anyone who thought the UK’s future was better outside Europe both before and after the vote. This whole branch was begun by a very ‘remainder elite’ style comment. Let them get back to Scaffolding. It’s Maurice Antoine-esque

Pardon me for butting in, but I can't help noticing that nobody has picked up on the (new to me anyway) historical figure that openside brought up.

Maurice Antoine? And what's the three time governor of french indochina in the 1920s got to do with this?

[Torquemada 1420]

I suspect you would find a great many more who voted leave originally who would now vote to remain than the other way around.

I'm not sure what relevance that has? Any vote is based upon the best information available at the time. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that in a decade's time (say), Britain has found a new
path that the majority finds satisfactory and the reverse of what you highlight is so.

In any vote to change something that results in major upheaval, you'll find it is human nature for there to be more immediate "regretters" than those who are sure the course is sound. We are creatures of habit and that's intensified in a nanny state world and a world where Govt (+media) has systematically ramped the fear in its populace for political ends.

[Torquemada 1420]

Pardon me for butting in, but I can't help noticing that nobody has picked up on the (new to me anyway) historical figure that openside brought up.

Maurice Antoine? And what's the three time governor of french indochina in the 1920s got to do with this?

Tell me you didn't have to google that.

[Happyhooker]

Pardon me for butting in, but I can't help noticing that nobody has picked up on the (new to me anyway) historical figure that openside brought up.

Maurice Antoine? And what's the three time governor of french indochina in the 1920s got to do with this?

Tell me you didn't have to google that.

Of course I bloody googled it. Unfortunately it came up with a match, otherwise I had a much better response.

[JM2K6]

It was widely posited immediately after the referendum result, and has been ever since, that a significant factor in the Brexit vote was as a protest by those who felt disenfranchised and forgotten, as part of a general slap in the face of the establishment (whether in government, the media or metropolitan society) who no longer listened to their complaints and concerns. Comparisons were and still are made with an apparently similar movement in the States in the Fly-Over states, etc.

Whether you agree with that or not, it was and is definitely commented on. I think it covers the sneering that OS refers to.

And yet, whenever people were asked for the reasons they voted for Brexit...

Some said they did so, at least in part, as a warning to the Government and general establishment. That includes many who thought it would be no more than that as they expected the result to be in favour of Remain. Anyway, I suspect most voted for a clutch of reasons, of which the anti-establishment FU was just one. Torq has expressed the same point well.

As an aside, the supposed sneering from the Remain side is often cited as to why the Leave result was such a shock: many people did not feel their real views were or are welcome in everyday conversations. Of course, that completes the vicious circle for those who feel they are forgotten, left behind or whatever.

It was overwhelmingly "sovereignty" and "immigration" that came up time and again in research as to why Brexteers voted that way. Just because Farage - a member of the elite - cast it as an anti-elite sentiment after the fact, that doesn't mean it's a big part of why the vote went the way it did.

I'm not saying no-one voted in protest against the Govt or whatever. I'm saying it's not even close to being among the main reasons people voted for Brexit. And the data says the same. Openside/Farage's hot takes aren't based in anything factual.

[ASMO]

I suspect you would find a great many more who voted leave originally who would now vote to remain than the other way around.

I'm not sure what relevance that has? Any vote is based upon the best information available at the time. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that in a decade's time (say), Britain has found a new
path that the majority finds satisfactory and the reverse of what you highlight is so.

In any vote to change something that results in major upheaval, you'll find it is human nature for there to be more immediate "regretters" than those who are sure the course is sound. We are creatures of habit and that's intensified in a nanny state world and a world where Govt (+media) has systematically ramped the fear in its populace for political ends.

Simply not true, it is based on whatever propoganda machine is better, there were little or no "facts" used to make a case for either camp and most of those "facts" have been proved to at best misleading, at worst, downright lies.

[Woddy]

And yet, whenever people were asked for the reasons they voted for Brexit...

Some said they did so, at least in part, as a warning to the Government and general establishment. That includes many who thought it would be no more than that as they expected the result to be in favour of Remain. Anyway, I suspect most voted for a clutch of reasons, of which the anti-establishment FU was just one. Torq has expressed the same point well.

As an aside, the supposed sneering from the Remain side is often cited as to why the Leave result was such a shock: many people did not feel their real views were or are welcome in everyday conversations. Of course, that completes the vicious circle for those who feel they are forgotten, left behind or whatever.

It was overwhelmingly "sovereignty" and "immigration" that came up time and again in research as to why Brexteers voted that way. Just because Farage - a member of the elite - cast it as an anti-elite sentiment after the fact, that doesn't mean it's a big part of why the vote went the way it did.

I'm not saying no-one voted in protest against the Govt or whatever. I'm saying it's not even close to being among the main reasons people voted for Brexit. And the data says the same. Openside/Farage's hot takes aren't based in anything factual.

The various factors that made people decide one way or t'other were (for many) not mutually exclusive. People could have particular concerns about immigration (say) while recognising that Leave would damage the wider economy so be on the fence; sticking it to The Man might have been the extra incentive to make them vote Leave rather than Remain (or abstain). Anyway, it's not your view or mine that is the point, but what commentators perceived at the time and have since, rightly or wrongly.

[Slick]

Another thicko promoted way above her abilities. I bet the conversations between her and Patel make your ears bleed!!!

Prisons minister Lucy Frazer appeared on Woman’s Hour this week to explain how the government is trying to reduce the number of women in the country’s prisons.
To do this, she is... building 500 new prison cells.
We can’t quite work out the logic of this, and neither could Woman’s Hour host Emma Barnett.

[media] [/media]

I'm not really sure what is so horribly wrong with this interview to be honest

[JM2K6]

Some said they did so, at least in part, as a warning to the Government and general establishment. That includes many who thought it would be no more than that as they expected the result to be in favour of Remain. Anyway, I suspect most voted for a clutch of reasons, of which the anti-establishment FU was just one. Torq has expressed the same point well.

As an aside, the supposed sneering from the Remain side is often cited as to why the Leave result was such a shock: many people did not feel their real views were or are welcome in everyday conversations. Of course, that completes the vicious circle for those who feel they are forgotten, left behind or whatever.

It was overwhelmingly "sovereignty" and "immigration" that came up time and again in research as to why Brexteers voted that way. Just because Farage - a member of the elite - cast it as an anti-elite sentiment after the fact, that doesn't mean it's a big part of why the vote went the way it did.

I'm not saying no-one voted in protest against the Govt or whatever. I'm saying it's not even close to being among the main reasons people voted for Brexit. And the data says the same. Openside/Farage's hot takes aren't based in anything factual.

The various factors that made people decide one way or t'other were (for many) not mutually exclusive. People could have particular concerns about immigration (say) while recognising that Leave would damage the wider economy so be on the fence; sticking it to The Man might have been the extra incentive to make them vote Leave rather than Remain (or abstain). Anyway, it's not your view or mine that is the point, but what commentators perceived at the time and have since, rightly or wrongly.

Right but commentators are prone to talking from their own biases and strongly held priors - that's why we look for data. And it's data that looks into primary *and* secondary motivations.

[Insane_Homer]

Another thicko promoted way above her abilities. I bet the conversations between her and Patel make your ears bleed!!!

Prisons minister Lucy Frazer appeared on Woman’s Hour this week to explain how the government is trying to reduce the number of women in the country’s prisons.
To do this, she is... building 500 new prison cells.
We can’t quite work out the logic of this, and neither could Woman’s Hour host Emma Barnett.

Planning ahead for a years time when we'll need the space to fit Priti Patel's ass in jail.

[C69]

It’s the assumption that ‘these people’ are simpletons obviously furloughed as they don’t have proper jobs and work on building sites. It is the sneering superiority that led to the working class to support Brexit.

What bullshit, you have just made that shit up to support your own bigoted and reactionary narrow viewpoint.
There is no evidence whatsoever that your opinion has any validity at all.

you are clueless if you don’t think remainers have been sneering at Brexiteers for the last 4 years.

Sorry but what a croc of shit,as has been pointed out to you again and again on this thread.
Made up bollocks you can't corroborate and as usual you made it up to support your argument based upon your narrow privileged prism.
Farage and others have sneered at Remainers, Others have sneered at Brexit supporters.
But your assertions that working class people who may be furloughed voted for Brexit because they were seen as simpletons rallying against sneering superiority is crass and quite a reactionary viewpoint.
A very paternalistic Officer class viewpoint imho. A complete fantasy that exists in your head only.
Not bourne out of any evidence whatsoever.

[Openside]

So now we're on to "attitudes to people after the vote are the reason the vote went the way it did"?

You really are a massive bellend that isn’t what I have said at all (and you know it) the sneering is further evidence of the prevailing attitude towards anyone who thought the UK’s future was better outside Europe both before and after the vote. This whole branch was begun by a very ‘remainder elite’ style comment. Let them get back to Scaffolding. It’s Maurice Antoine-esque

This you?

It is the sneering superiority that led to the working class to support Brexit.

(next post)

you are clueless if you don’t think remainers have been sneering at Brexiteers for the last 4 years.

You moved the goalposts immediately and then call ME a bellend because you get called out on it? Fuck off, maybe read the nonsense you post first if you don't want people to point out how illogical it is.

Fuck off yourself you haven't called anyone on anything. That attitude was there before the vote and after, it was just easier to see from whom it was coming once all the arseholes had put FBPE in their twitter bios.

[Openside]

I suspect you would find a great many more who voted leave originally who would now vote to remain than the other way around.

I completely disagree (particularly after the vaccine debacle)

[Openside]

What bullshit, you have just made that shit up to support your own bigoted and reactionary narrow viewpoint.
There is no evidence whatsoever that your opinion has any validity at all.

you are clueless if you don’t think remainers have been sneering at Brexiteers for the last 4 years.

Sorry but what a croc of shit,as has been pointed out to you again and again on this thread.
Made up bollocks you can't corroborate and as usual you made it up to support your argument based upon your narrow privileged prism.
Farage and others have sneered at Remainers, Others have sneered at Brexit supporters.
But your assertions that working class people who may be furloughed voted for Brexit because they were seen as simpletons rallying against sneering superiority is crass and quite a reactionary viewpoint.
A very paternalistic Officer class viewpoint imho. A complete fantasy that exists in your head only.
Not bourne out of any evidence whatsoever.

You simply have not the faintest idea what you are talking about, you have just made up so patronising meaningless bollocks. If you cannot see that the whole Brexit thing is a combination of the North(particularly) and other areas thinking they have been left behind and the wanting to give 'the political class' and London bubble a bloody nose then I cannot help you. As for evidence it is everywhere, what the fuck are you reading.

[Openside]

So now we're on to "attitudes to people after the vote are the reason the vote went the way it did"?

You really are a massive bellend that isn’t what I have said at all (and you know it) the sneering is further evidence of the prevailing attitude towards anyone who thought the UK’s future was better outside Europe both before and after the vote. This whole branch was begun by a very ‘remainder elite’ style comment. Let them get back to Scaffolding. It’s Maurice Antoine-esque

Pardon me for butting in, but I can't help noticing that nobody has picked up on the (new to me anyway) historical figure that openside brought up.

Maurice Antoine? And what's the three time governor of french indochina in the 1920s got to do with this?

any fule kno that Maurice was her younger brother and quite the baker hence her famous comment

[JM2K6]

You really are a massive bellend that isn’t what I have said at all (and you know it) the sneering is further evidence of the prevailing attitude towards anyone who thought the UK’s future was better outside Europe both before and after the vote. This whole branch was begun by a very ‘remainder elite’ style comment. Let them get back to Scaffolding. It’s Maurice Antoine-esque

This you?

It is the sneering superiority that led to the working class to support Brexit.

(next post)

you are clueless if you don’t think remainers have been sneering at Brexiteers for the last 4 years.

You moved the goalposts immediately and then call ME a bellend because you get called out on it? Fuck off, maybe read the nonsense you post first if you don't want people to point out how illogical it is.

Fuck off yourself you haven't called anyone on anything. That attitude was there before the vote and after, it was just easier to see from whom it was coming once all the arseholes had put FBPE in their twitter bios.

How thick do you have to be to not realise that "sneering at" (i.e. criticising) people who voted for Brexit comes from, y'know, them voting for Brexit (often for racist reasons, and in many cases voting for their own downfall)? It's a completely different scenario; pretending that has anything to do with the Brexit vote to begin with is just incredibly stupid. Unless you have a fucking time machine, logic does not work that way.

You've got nothing to go on here - no fact, no data, no logic. Just your hard-worn belief that it was Remoaners Wot Lost It because they were too busy sneering from their ivory towers, regardless of what the facts actually are.

[SaintK]

You really are a massive bellend that isn’t what I have said at all (and you know it) the sneering is further evidence of the prevailing attitude towards anyone who thought the UK’s future was better outside Europe both before and after the vote. This whole branch was begun by a very ‘remainder elite’ style comment. Let them get back to Scaffolding. It’s Maurice Antoine-esque

Pardon me for butting in, but I can't help noticing that nobody has picked up on the (new to me anyway) historical figure that openside brought up.

Maurice Antoine? And what's the three time governor of french indochina in the 1920s got to do with this?

any fule kno that Maurice was her younger brother and quite the baker hence her famous comment

WTF are you on about now?

[Torquemada 1420]

I suspect you would find a great many more who voted leave originally who would now vote to remain than the other way around.

I'm not sure what relevance that has? Any vote is based upon the best information available at the time. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that in a decade's time (say), Britain has found a new
path that the majority finds satisfactory and the reverse of what you highlight is so.

In any vote to change something that results in major upheaval, you'll find it is human nature for there to be more immediate "regretters" than those who are sure the course is sound. We are creatures of habit and that's intensified in a nanny state world and a world where Govt (+media) has systematically ramped the fear in its populace for political ends.

Simply not true, it is based on whatever propoganda machine is better, there were little or no "facts" used to make a case for either camp and most of those "facts" have been proved to at best misleading, at worst, downright lies.

By definition, that is the best available. I didn't say there wasn't better to be had. But that's the nature of people and what politicians exploit: fear, apathy, bias, self interest. If we behaved on the best information, there would be no religion. Flawed people = flawed politics.

You get the government you deserve [/Joseph de Maistre ]
The masses are incapable of making rational decisions (for themselves) [/A Hitler]

[Torquemada 1420]

I'm not sure what relevance that has? Any vote is based upon the best information available at the time. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that in a decade's time (say), Britain has found a new
path that the majority finds satisfactory and the reverse of what you highlight is so.

In any vote to change something that results in major upheaval, you'll find it is human nature for there to be more immediate "regretters" than those who are sure the course is sound. We are creatures of habit and that's intensified in a nanny state world and a world where Govt (+media) has systematically ramped the fear in its populace for political ends.

Simply not true, it is based on whatever propoganda machine is better, there were little or no "facts" used to make a case for either camp and most of those "facts" have been proved to at best misleading, at worst, downright lies.

By definition, that is the best available. I didn't say there wasn't better to be had. But that's the nature of people and what politicians exploit: fear, apathy, bias, self interest. In truth, I think if you presented the the entire truth in depth, most people would be too stupid to grasp it anyway. If you and I know it was lies, why didn't everyone else?

If we behaved on the best information, there would be no religion. Flawed people = flawed politics.

You get the government you deserve [/Joseph de Maistre ]
The masses are incapable of making rational decisions (for themselves) [/A Hitler]

[ASMO]

Simply not true, it is based on whatever propoganda machine is better, there were little or no "facts" used to make a case for either camp and most of those "facts" have been proved to at best misleading, at worst, downright lies.

By definition, that is the best available. I didn't say there wasn't better to be had. But that's the nature of people and what politicians exploit: fear, apathy, bias, self interest. In truth, I think if you presented the the entire truth in depth, most people would be too stupid to grasp it anyway. If you and I know it was lies, why didn't everyone else?

If we behaved on the best information, there would be no religion. Flawed people = flawed politics.

You get the government you deserve [/Joseph de Maistre ]
The masses are incapable of making rational decisions (for themselves) [/A Hitler]

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. "

Josef Goebels

More appropriate when it comes to Brexit and the Tories

[Happyhooker]

I suspect you would find a great many more who voted leave originally who would now vote to remain than the other way around.

I'm not sure what relevance that has? Any vote is based upon the best information available at the time. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that in a decade's time (say), Britain has found a new
path that the majority finds satisfactory and the reverse of what you highlight is so.

In any vote to change something that results in major upheaval, you'll find it is human nature for there to be more immediate "regretters" than those who are sure the course is sound. We are creatures of habit and that's intensified in a nanny state world and a world where Govt (+media) has systematically ramped the fear in its populace for political ends.

Simply not true, it is based on whatever propoganda machine is better, there were little or no "facts" used to make a case for either camp and most of those "facts" have been proved to at best misleading, at worst, downright lies.

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit- ... ssion=true

[Openside]

This you?



(next post)



You moved the goalposts immediately and then call ME a bellend because you get called out on it? Fuck off, maybe read the nonsense you post first if you don't want people to point out how illogical it is.

Fuck off yourself you haven't called anyone on anything. That attitude was there before the vote and after, it was just easier to see from whom it was coming once all the arseholes had put FBPE in their twitter bios.

How thick do you have to be to not realise that "sneering at" (i.e. criticising) people who voted for Brexit comes from, y'know, them voting for Brexit (often for racist reasons, and in many cases voting for their own downfall)? It's a completely different scenario; pretending that has anything to do with the Brexit vote to begin with is just incredibly stupid. Unless you have a fucking time machine, logic does not work that way.

You've got nothing to go on here - no fact, no data, no logic. Just your hard-worn belief that it was Remoaners Wot Lost It because they were too busy sneering from their ivory towers, regardless of what the facts actually are.

QE fucking D

[fishfoodie]

I suspect you would find a great many more who voted leave originally who would now vote to remain than the other way around.

I'm not sure what relevance that has? Any vote is based upon the best information available at the time. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that in a decade's time (say), Britain has found a new
path that the majority finds satisfactory and the reverse of what you highlight is so.

In any vote to change something that results in major upheaval, you'll find it is human nature for there to be more immediate "regretters" than those who are sure the course is sound. We are creatures of habit and that's intensified in a nanny state world and a world where Govt (+media) has systematically ramped the fear in its populace for political ends.

Simply not true, it is based on whatever propoganda machine is better, there were little or no "facts" used to make a case for either camp and most of those "facts" have been proved to at best misleading, at worst, downright lies.

And you're now getting at why the Irish Government was horrified when DC called a simple In/Out Referendum.

The UK doesn't do Refs; & with predictable arrogance, DC didn't talk to anyone with experience, before he forged the knife to cut his, & the UKs throat.

Enda Kenny reached out to him & tried to warn him of how dangerous a course of action he was taken; but no, no; the Eton graduate knew better ....

The Brexit nutters loved to point to Ireland repeat Refs, as a sign of how the EU bullies member states; & completely ignored the fact Ireland has a written Constitution; & that changing that means having regular Refs, & because these Refs don't always coincide with regular elections, the turnout can often be low, &, more importantly, the reasons why people vote against propositions, are frequently, nothing to do with the topic under decision.

The Tory twat was proposing a simple, & single, In/Out referendum, after a prolonged period of austerity; & after 40 years of gaslighting & propaganda by the right wing media; & while UKIP & the other facists were running high in the polls ..... what could possibly go wrong ?

[JM2K6]

Fuck off yourself you haven't called anyone on anything. That attitude was there before the vote and after, it was just easier to see from whom it was coming once all the arseholes had put FBPE in their twitter bios.

How thick do you have to be to not realise that "sneering at" (i.e. criticising) people who voted for Brexit comes from, y'know, them voting for Brexit (often for racist reasons, and in many cases voting for their own downfall)? It's a completely different scenario; pretending that has anything to do with the Brexit vote to begin with is just incredibly stupid. Unless you have a fucking time machine, logic does not work that way.

You've got nothing to go on here - no fact, no data, no logic. Just your hard-worn belief that it was Remoaners Wot Lost It because they were too busy sneering from their ivory towers, regardless of what the facts actually are.

QE fucking D

Criticising people for their actions does not retrospectively cause those actions, you dimwit.

Are we pretending that Farage and his "hordes of immigrants" propaganda didn't have a huge part to play? Or the demonisation of the EU & immigration over the last 30 years by the right-wing press? The pandering to such by the government?

Are we also pretending that the "economically anxious" groups who voted for Brexit have - either deliberately or unknowingly - voted to make their economic situations worse? Have you been paying attention to, ooh, I dunno, the fishing communities at all?

QE fucking D indeed.

[Openside]

How thick do you have to be to not realise that "sneering at" (i.e. criticising) people who voted for Brexit comes from, y'know, them voting for Brexit (often for racist reasons, and in many cases voting for their own downfall)? It's a completely different scenario; pretending that has anything to do with the Brexit vote to begin with is just incredibly stupid. Unless you have a fucking time machine, logic does not work that way.

You've got nothing to go on here - no fact, no data, no logic. Just your hard-worn belief that it was Remoaners Wot Lost It because they were too busy sneering from their ivory towers, regardless of what the facts actually are.

QE fucking D

Criticising people for their actions does not retrospectively cause those actions, you dimwit.

Are we pretending that Farage and his "hordes of immigrants" propaganda didn't have a huge part to play? Or the demonisation of the EU & immigration over the last 30 years by the right-wing press? The pandering to such by the government?

Are we also pretending that the "economically anxious" groups who voted for Brexit have - either deliberately or unknowingly - voted to make their economic situations worse? Have you been paying attention to, ooh, I dunno, the fishing communities at all?

QE fucking D indeed.

You really are desperately insecure.

[Rinkals]

QE fucking D

Criticising people for their actions does not retrospectively cause those actions, you dimwit.

Are we pretending that Farage and his "hordes of immigrants" propaganda didn't have a huge part to play? Or the demonisation of the EU & immigration over the last 30 years by the right-wing press? The pandering to such by the government?

Are we also pretending that the "economically anxious" groups who voted for Brexit have - either deliberately or unknowingly - voted to make their economic situations worse? Have you been paying attention to, ooh, I dunno, the fishing communities at all?

QE fucking D indeed.

You really are desperately insecure.

He's the only one in this dialogue posting sense.

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... el-it.html

Ministers ignored legal advice to give failing company a huge Covid test contract leaving taxpayers with £87MILLION bill when tests didn't work

Now, the Daily Mail can reveal, leaked government documents show critical decisions were rushed through by a group of ministers and advisers. Right from the outset, senior civil servants raised red flags.

Twice, the documents reveal, the Government was warned by its own lawyers that the deals it signed with Abingdon Health – £2.5million for development, £10million for components and up to £75million for supply – were at 'high risk' of being ruled unlawful if challenged. The advice appears to have been ignored.

[Sandstorm]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... el-it.html

Ministers ignored legal advice to give failing company a huge Covid test contract leaving taxpayers with £87MILLION bill when tests didn't work

Now, the Daily Mail can reveal, leaked government documents show critical decisions were rushed through by a group of ministers and advisers. Right from the outset, senior civil servants raised red flags.

Twice, the documents reveal, the Government was warned by its own lawyers that the deals it signed with Abingdon Health – £2.5million for development, £10million for components and up to £75million for supply – were at 'high risk' of being ruled unlawful if challenged. The advice appears to have been ignored.

Meh, just ignore the invoices.

[ASMO]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... el-it.html

Ministers ignored legal advice to give failing company a huge Covid test contract leaving taxpayers with £87MILLION bill when tests didn't work

Now, the Daily Mail can reveal, leaked government documents show critical decisions were rushed through by a group of ministers and advisers. Right from the outset, senior civil servants raised red flags.

Twice, the documents reveal, the Government was warned by its own lawyers that the deals it signed with Abingdon Health – £2.5million for development, £10million for components and up to £75million for supply – were at 'high risk' of being ruled unlawful if challenged. The advice appears to have been ignored.

Meh, just ignore the invoices.

I think the Daily Heil is slightly misrepresenting the facts though (perish the thought) As i believe the Government have cancelled the contract so only a million or so was spaffed, not the 75 million quoted.

[Torquemada 1420]

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. "

Josef Goebels

More appropriate when it comes to Brexit and the Tories

Pretty much any mainstream political party in the UK and US.

[Openside]

Criticising people for their actions does not retrospectively cause those actions, you dimwit.

Are we pretending that Farage and his "hordes of immigrants" propaganda didn't have a huge part to play? Or the demonisation of the EU & immigration over the last 30 years by the right-wing press? The pandering to such by the government?

Are we also pretending that the "economically anxious" groups who voted for Brexit have - either deliberately or unknowingly - voted to make their economic situations worse? Have you been paying attention to, ooh, I dunno, the fishing communities at all?

QE fucking D indeed.

You really are desperately insecure.

He's the only one in this dialogue posting sense.

Careful, you will make his boyfriend jealous...