No choiceMarylandolorian wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:05 pmDo you guys have a choice of the vaccine you want or it’s decided by your health/age or just by the availability at the time?
I had the AZ
I guess it’s all about the availability
So, coronavirus...
I had the AZ
I guess it’s all about the availability
Same here. I have no idea what I’ll be getting.SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:22 pmNo choiceMarylandolorian wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:05 pmDo you guys have a choice of the vaccine you want or it’s decided by your health/age or just by the availability at the time?
I had the AZ
I guess it’s all about the availability
The developing evidence is that there us little to no difference in the efficacy of the vaccines so far available, so you take what's on offer or nothing at all.Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:05 pmDo you guys have a choice of the vaccine you want or it’s decided by your health/age or just by the availability at the time?
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Thanks guys, I asked because in the UK you have 3 approved vaccines, as for us we have only 2 so far, Moderna and Pfizer, AZ should be approved soon and Johnson&J next month.
@Saint: good point, they are all pretty effective but in the US AZ doesn’t have the same good press than the others, mainly for the older people.
@Saint: good point, they are all pretty effective but in the US AZ doesn’t have the same good press than the others, mainly for the older people.
Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:52 pm Thanks guys, I asked because in the UK you have 3 approved vaccines, as for us we have only 2 so far, Moderna and Pfizer, AZ should be approved soon and Johnson&J next month.
@Saint: good point, they are all pretty effective but in the US AZ doesn’t have the same good press than the others, mainly for the older people.
We don't have Moderna here in the UK yet, even though it's approved. Our first deliveries are in April, but it wasn't one if our pre-purchase batch.
Currently we're delivering AZ and Pfizer, and based one the few public claims from AZ of what's being delivered, that's roughly 2:1 AZ:Pfizer at the moment. Novavax may start delivery before we see our first Moderna shipment tbh, and that would mean we were delivering 4 vaccines. Not sure about J&J actually - the concept of single dose is appealing, but I'd be very interested to see the efficacy of a double dose regime, which probably would bring it into line with other double dose vaccines.
I'm still extremely doubtful that AZ will be approved in the US - even with FDA sign off, it's got anti-competitive issues to deal with - and there has been a bit of a global campaign to denigrate it, helped by the messy way AZ presented the figures from the UK/Brazil Phase 3, and the.politial fallout of the EU procurement debacle
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Just saw that J&J might be approved by next Friday.
It wouldn't be a bad thing if AZ wasn't approved in the US. They can pay the much higher price of the other vaccines and don't really need AZ - It will make more AZ avaliable for the poorer countries.Saint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:18 pmMarylandolorian wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:52 pm Thanks guys, I asked because in the UK you have 3 approved vaccines, as for us we have only 2 so far, Moderna and Pfizer, AZ should be approved soon and Johnson&J next month.
@Saint: good point, they are all pretty effective but in the US AZ doesn’t have the same good press than the others, mainly for the older people.
We don't have Moderna here in the UK yet, even though it's approved. Our first deliveries are in April, but it wasn't one if our pre-purchase batch.
Currently we're delivering AZ and Pfizer, and based one the few public claims from AZ of what's being delivered, that's roughly 2:1 AZ:Pfizer at the moment. Novavax may start delivery before we see our first Moderna shipment tbh, and that would mean we were delivering 4 vaccines. Not sure about J&J actually - the concept of single dose is appealing, but I'd be very interested to see the efficacy of a double dose regime, which probably would bring it into line with other double dose vaccines.
I'm still extremely doubtful that AZ will be approved in the US - even with FDA sign off, it's got anti-competitive issues to deal with - and there has been a bit of a global campaign to denigrate it, helped by the messy way AZ presented the figures from the UK/Brazil Phase 3, and the.politial fallout of the EU procurement debacle
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article ... different/
This candidate is interesting in that it is designed to boost a different part of the immune system to the other vaccines and its efficacy will hopefully be less affected by new variations of the virus.
The candidate vaccine uses an adenovirus, a double-stranded DNA virus first discovered in 1953, as a vector for transferring viral antigens into host cells to trigger desired immune responses.
Professor Graeme Meintjes of the Department of Medicine at UCT and a co-investigator on the trial, explains: “Vaccines currently being administered internationally are designed to generate immunity against the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein alone. As already witnessed, the spike protein is mutation-prone. There is also now evidence for certain vaccines that protection against the 501Y.V2 variant is reduced. In light of this, we will likely need alternative or adapted vaccines that are safe and effective against all current and future variants.
It varies a lot. Some parts of London and Wiltshire are jabbing 50-somethings. West Berkshire is still finishing off the 70 year olds (but not in that way)
Varies. Across Scotland we’ve done the over 75s, 94% of 70-74 year olds, 74% of 65-69, next big cohort is the underlying conditions, which have already been started. There’s a million of them, so depends on supply. Four weeks at the rate of the past week, two and a half or so at the rate of the week before. Reckon all the over 50s will be done late March or early April.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Yup. In London In the last week a signifcant number of my friends in their 50's have received their jab, or appointment. These are the ones with underlying health conditions - so group 6.
Friend of mine in his 40s getting his today for underlying condition.Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:46 amYup. In London In the last week a signifcant number of my friends in their 50's have received their jab, or appointment. These are the ones with underlying health conditions - so group 6.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Wonder how this plays out over the weekend?
Johnson will want to be seen following the science and needs Whitty onside. Then on the other hand he has Baker and the CRG ultras snapping at his heels
Johnson will want to be seen following the science and needs Whitty onside. Then on the other hand he has Baker and the CRG ultras snapping at his heels
A row has broken out over Boris Johnson’s hopes for a “big bang” reopening of schools, as sources claimed it had run into resistance from Prof Chris Whitty.
The chief medical officer for England was said to be reluctant to put his name to a public show of support for the policy this week. Education sources had told the Guardian that Whitty was “very unhappy” with the idea of all 10 million children and staff returning to schools in England on 8 March, although the government denied this and insisted that Whitty was not opposed to any of the options being discussed.
On Monday the prime minister is to announce the government’s roadmap for lifting national lockdown restrictions in place since the start of the year. While publicly ministers have committed to reopening schools “from” 8 March rather than all pupils returning on that date, No 10 is said to be planning for an across-the-board return for all year groups.
That would be an utterly mental way to go about reopening schools.SaintK wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:05 am Wonder how this plays out over the weekend?
Johnson will want to be seen following the science and needs Whitty onside. Then on the other hand he has Baker and the CRG ultras snapping at his heelsA row has broken out over Boris Johnson’s hopes for a “big bang” reopening of schools, as sources claimed it had run into resistance from Prof Chris Whitty.
The chief medical officer for England was said to be reluctant to put his name to a public show of support for the policy this week. Education sources had told the Guardian that Whitty was “very unhappy” with the idea of all 10 million children and staff returning to schools in England on 8 March, although the government denied this and insisted that Whitty was not opposed to any of the options being discussed.
On Monday the prime minister is to announce the government’s roadmap for lifting national lockdown restrictions in place since the start of the year. While publicly ministers have committed to reopening schools “from” 8 March rather than all pupils returning on that date, No 10 is said to be planning for an across-the-board return for all year groups.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
68, Hertfordshire. Didn't expect mine until next month tbh. Appear to be going very well in the Eastern region!
Wife is 5 years younger but still waitng for her invite
Edinburgh had been doing well but seems to have taken a turn in the wrong direction
7th 33 positive case
8th 52
9th 34
10th 39
11th 64
12th 38
13th 39
14th 55
15th 60
16th 82
17th 79
18th 80 (probably more to be reported)
I’m guessing shagging on Valentines.
7th 33 positive case
8th 52
9th 34
10th 39
11th 64
12th 38
13th 39
14th 55
15th 60
16th 82
17th 79
18th 80 (probably more to be reported)
I’m guessing shagging on Valentines.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Students seem to have been slowly coming back as well, seen a lot more groups of the lately
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Supply is down but only temporarily, should be back up to previous levels in a week or two. In Scotland we were warned that vaccination levels would drop by c50% for a couple of weeks due to supply issues but will get back to and exceed previous levels pretty quickly. It has been anticipated and planned for. Currently capacity for jabbing exceeds current and future supply of vaccine.
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Thanks, out of interest any knowledge/indication of whether dip in supply is due to a one off re-org/expansion of capacity ala Pfizer in Jan, or generic lower than expected production for a period for one of the vaccines?dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:31 pmSupply is down but only temporarily, should be back up to previous levels in a week or two. In Scotland we were warned that vaccination levels would drop by c50% for a couple of weeks due to supply issues but will get back to and exceed previous levels pretty quickly. It has been anticipated and planned for. Currently capacity for jabbing exceeds current and future supply of vaccine.
Separately, I presume the AZ jab is still the predominantly distributed vaccine, and have seen people saying anecdotally around 2 thirds AZ. Anyone know of sources providing an indication of split? Appreciate probably nothing official for commercial reasons.
The number of new cases last 7 days per 100,000 in Embra has crept up a little too. It was down to high 50s but now 79 new cases per 100,000 for last 7 days. You can look at the more detailed breakdown but council intermediate zone here -https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotlan ... cker/local. Doesn't seem to be any single outbreak and not necessarily in what I would think of as student areas either. Thankfully no recorded cases in my locality in last 7 days and thats been the case for a few weeks now. Hopefully just a blip for Embra and maybe because of the snowy weather previous few weeks and more folk congregating around the fire on the cold days?
This week vaccine supply was always forecasted to drop to a very low level due to both AZ and PZ reconfiguration of factories - looking at the document the Scottish government accidentally released it looks like only 83k new Pfizer (no AZ) vaccines were supplied.
Next week will be somewhat better (told there will be no days over 500k for the rest of the month) but the first two weeks of March will see a huge increase in supply and presumably vaccinations that will smooth out this weeks blip.
Next week will be somewhat better (told there will be no days over 500k for the rest of the month) but the first two weeks of March will see a huge increase in supply and presumably vaccinations that will smooth out this weeks blip.
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As at 15th Feb the split in Scotland has been 55% Pfizer and 45% AZ to date. Updated weekly here https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotlan ... s-tracker/TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:48 pmThanks, out of interest any knowledge/indication of whether dip in supply is due to a one off re-org/expansion of capacity ala Pfizer in Jan, or generic lower than expected production for a period for one of the vaccines?dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:31 pmSupply is down but only temporarily, should be back up to previous levels in a week or two. In Scotland we were warned that vaccination levels would drop by c50% for a couple of weeks due to supply issues but will get back to and exceed previous levels pretty quickly. It has been anticipated and planned for. Currently capacity for jabbing exceeds current and future supply of vaccine.
Separately, I presume the AZ jab is still the predominantly distributed vaccine, and have seen people saying anecdotally around 2 thirds AZ. Anyone know of sources providing an indication of split? Appreciate probably nothing official for commercial reasons.
This is correct. Also holding a stock back to make sure there is sufficient for 2nd doses for those who will require it and just in case there are any other blips in supply chain.tc27 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:54 pm This week vaccine supply was always forecasted to drop to a very low level due to both AZ and PZ reconfiguration of factories - looking at the document the Scottish government accidentally released it looks like only 83k new Pfizer (no AZ) vaccines were supplied.
Next week will be somewhat better (told there will be no days over 500k for the rest of the month) but the first two weeks of March will see a huge increase in supply and presumably vaccinations that will smooth out this weeks blip.
Based close to J11 of the M6 near Birmingham but in a rural area. I am 60 with mild COPD and had my first dose on 17th, which suprised me. I gather that a few others in the village also had their first dose. I suppose that, if they are going to set up a centre to target the most vulnerable, they might as well cover as many people as they can on the day but within limits. My wife is 58 and has mild asthma wasn't invited. Very efficiently done but very laid back and friendly. Arm ached a bit and I was physically wrecked for 2 days but almost back to, ahem "normal".
Which vaccine did you get? I think I’m going to get the Pfizer.Jasonstry wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:29 pm Based close to J11 of the M6 near Birmingham but in a rural area. I am 60 with mild COPD and had my first dose on 17th, which suprised me. I gather that a few others in the village also had their first dose. I suppose that, if they are going to set up a centre to target the most vulnerable, they might as well cover as many people as they can on the day but within limits. My wife is 58 and has mild asthma wasn't invited. Very efficiently done but very laid back and friendly. Arm ached a bit and I was physically wrecked for 2 days but almost back to, ahem "normal".
Pfizer.
They gave me this handy leaflet with (amongst other things) instructions about not using it past its sell by date and being sure to store it at -60C. Some interesting side effects listed as well but, obviously, very rare. Unexpected 15 minute rest afterwards as a very tiny tiny percentage will have an extremely bad reaction and, possibly, go into anaphylactic shock. Take a book.
They gave me this handy leaflet with (amongst other things) instructions about not using it past its sell by date and being sure to store it at -60C. Some interesting side effects listed as well but, obviously, very rare. Unexpected 15 minute rest afterwards as a very tiny tiny percentage will have an extremely bad reaction and, possibly, go into anaphylactic shock. Take a book.
Openside wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:08 pmPresumably in Eastbourne they are almost onto the over 80's now!!
not quite yetInteresting.... UK gov not reporting the breakdowns (only a few governments are globally), but the working assumption has been that AZ hit their targeted 2 million a week as per their schedule if so, then they would have been delivering 2 thirds of the 3 million a week we've been averaging for the last 2-3 weeks. Of course, there's a lot of other factors involved other than just the output from the two production facilities- they then need testing, and move to fill and finish, so there's a delay between an.output gap at, say, Oxford Biomedica, and the delivery of the vials to the vax centresdpedin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:58 pmAs at 15th Feb the split in Scotland has been 55% Pfizer and 45% AZ to date. Updated weekly here https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotlan ... s-tracker/TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:48 pmThanks, out of interest any knowledge/indication of whether dip in supply is due to a one off re-org/expansion of capacity ala Pfizer in Jan, or generic lower than expected production for a period for one of the vaccines?dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:31 pm
Supply is down but only temporarily, should be back up to previous levels in a week or two. In Scotland we were warned that vaccination levels would drop by c50% for a couple of weeks due to supply issues but will get back to and exceed previous levels pretty quickly. It has been anticipated and planned for. Currently capacity for jabbing exceeds current and future supply of vaccine.
Separately, I presume the AZ jab is still the predominantly distributed vaccine, and have seen people saying anecdotally around 2 thirds AZ. Anyone know of sources providing an indication of split? Appreciate probably nothing official for commercial reasons.