The Brexit Thread

[Insane_Homer]

says the expat....

My grandfather and great grandfather were Scottish. I'm British and I live in *checks note* Surrey, England.

[Openside]

says the expat....

My grandfather and great grandfather were Scottish. I'm British and I live in *checks note* Surrey, England.

I thought you had come to live in the UK from SA??

[Insane_Homer]

says the expat....

My grandfather and great grandfather were Scottish. I'm British and I live in *checks note* Surrey, England.

I thought you had come to live in the UK from SA??

Yes, that is also true.

and still doesn't make me an 'ex-pat', since an ex-pat is a Brit that doesn't live in the UK. So I guess my great grandfather was one...

[Sandstorm]

says the expat....

My grandfather and great grandfather were Scottish. I'm British and I live in *checks note* Surrey, England.

You were born in SA, so are a UK Immigrant.

[Openside]

My grandfather and great grandfather were Scottish. I'm British and I live in *checks note* Surrey, England.

I thought you had come to live in the UK from SA??

Yes, that is also true.

and still doesn't make me an 'ex-pat', since an ex-pat is a Brit that doesn't live in the UK. So I guess my great grandfather was one...

Umm it does really, you have left your 'homeland' to live in another country. It certainly makes your moral high ground post somewhat a grey area for you...

[TheNatalShark]

says the expat....

My grandfather and great grandfather were Scottish. I'm British and I live in *checks note* Surrey, England.

You were born in SA, so are a UK Immigrant.

Correct.

British born being abroad = expat
Non-British born being abroad = immigrant

[Insane_Homer]

I thought you had come to live in the UK from SA??

Yes, that is also true.

and still doesn't make me an 'ex-pat', since an ex-pat is a Brit that doesn't live in the UK. So I guess my great grandfather was one...

Umm it does really, you have left your 'homeland' to live in another country. It certainly makes your moral high ground post somewhat a grey area for you...

That would make an immigrant, an immigrant just like a large swathe of 'our' best sportsmen , not an expat. There is very a clear distinction.

[Insane_Homer]

You were born in SA, so are a UK Immigrant.

What if I was born in New York, like the prime Minister?

[fishfoodie]

You were born in SA, so are a UK Immigrant.

What if I was born in New York, like the prime Minister?

Presumably he could be stripped of his British Citizenship, like Spike Milligan .....

[Paddington Bear]

Fwiw my colleagues in India call their family and friends who work abroad ex-pats as well. It's a pretty standard way to describe your own countrymen who are abroad. This won't own anyone on twitter though I guess.

[Insane_Homer]

Fwiw my colleagues in India call their family and friends who work abroad ex-pats as well. It's a pretty standard way to describe your own countrymen who are abroad. This won't own anyone on twitter though I guess.

I've never heard any immigrant to the UK refer to themselves as as a expat, ever, nor have I, until today, on this thread, heard a brit refer to us as expats...
and while growing up in SA, with a broad swathe of European descended school chums (English, Germans, Portuguese, Italian, Greek & Indian etc) , it was only the English that referred to themselves as expats. The rest of us were just Saffas.

[Sandstorm]

Fwiw my colleagues in India call their family and friends who work abroad ex-pats as well. It's a pretty standard way to describe your own countrymen who are abroad. This won't own anyone on twitter though I guess.

I've never heard any immigrant to the UK refer to themselves as as a expat, ever, nor have I, until today, on this thread, heard a brit refer to us as expats...
and while growing up in SA, with a broad swathe of European descended school chums (English, Germans, Portuguese, Italian, Greek & Indian etc) , it was only the English that referred to themselves as expats. The rest of us were just Saffas.

You are a South African expat. And a UK immigrant.

Don’t listen to OS, he’s frequently wrong.

[Insane_Homer]

Filthy expats not coming over here and stealing the jobs we don't want to do.

[Insane_Homer]

Anger in Sunderland as its funding is reduced post Brexit.

The North East received £437 million out of the European Structural Investment Fund (ESIF) pre-Brexit between 2014 & 2020 but the replacement UK Shared not quite as Prosperous Fund (SPF) looks to deliver significantly less.

[fishfoodie]

Anger in Sunderland as its funding is reduced post Brexit.

The North East received £437 million out of the European Structural Investment Fund (ESIF) pre-Brexit between 2014 & 2020 but the replacement UK Shared not quiet as Prosperous Fund (SPF) looks to deliver significantly less.

Presumably places like South Wales, Cornwall, etc; that benefited the same way from ESIF money, haven't opened their Westminster cheques yet; so, aren't angry yet ... although; maybe having Useless, as their MP, will save Cornwall some pain ?

[fishfoodie]

The Welsh CBI, & Welsh Businesses are re-discovering why the whole; Customs Union/Single Market became a thing !

Welsh exports to Ireland are being blocked by extra paperwork and costs at customs, says CBI Wales.

Director Ian Price said the authorities in the Republic of Ireland were "zealous" when checking goods which was "causing some delays."

He said documents had been rejected for being written in blue not black ink.

Ireland's consul general in Wales insisted the Irish Government was "focused" on facilitating trade between the two countries.

Mr Price called for "consistency of approach" when exporting to the EU.

The republic is Wales' fourth biggest export market, behind Germany, France and the US and the fifth largest market for the UK.

....

"Quite clearly there's a lot more administration involved now we're moving goods from ourselves into mainland Europe and as a consequence, it requires more people, requires more time or documentation and that in itself creates a cost."

This was "a burden" being absorbed by UK businesses, he said.

....

Wrexham Lager sales manager Joss Roberts, said Brexit complications were having a "major impact", despite the majority of business comes from the UK.

"Prices are becoming unrealistic," said Mr Roberts.

"We've had to cancel three Irish orders this morning because the end receiver is expected to pay €11.50 per crate, that's on top of an admin courier fee.

"It's gone up around £17 alone to the Republic of Ireland where as to the likes of Spain it's gone up over €60 a crate."

[Tichtheid]

“Lance Forman, a leading Brexit proponent and the owner of London-based salmon smoker H Forman & Sons, is calling for the UK government to compensate businesses damaged by disruption linked to his country's departure from the European Union.”

Under different circumstances this might be hilarious, if they hadn’t pulled the rest of us with them, maybe.
This eedjit was an MEP

[Insane_Homer]

“Lance Forman, a leading Brexit proponent and the owner of London-based salmon smoker H Forman & Sons, is calling for the UK government to compensate businesses damaged by disruption linked to his country's departure from the European Union.”

Under different circumstances this might be hilarious, if they hadn’t pulled the rest of us with them, maybe.
This eedjit was an MEP

He's a charmer...

[Sandstorm]

"body and sole" Good pun, Mr Forman

[Insane_Homer]

"body and sole" Good pun, Mr Forman

Filthy, disgusting, fish shagger!

... and even the American's think his shit is shyte

[Sandstorm]

"body and sole" Good pun, Mr Forman

Filthy, disgusting, fish shagger!

... and even the American's think his shit is shyte

Politician is also shit at his other job non-shocker.

[robmatic]

“Lance Forman, a leading Brexit proponent and the owner of London-based salmon smoker H Forman & Sons, is calling for the UK government to compensate businesses damaged by disruption linked to his country's departure from the European Union.”

Under different circumstances this might be hilarious, if they hadn’t pulled the rest of us with them, maybe.
This eedjit was an MEP

He's a charmer...

This was in response to a question about his son being the CEO of the British branch of Turning Point (the American alt-right/speech policing organisation).

[Openside]

Yes, that is also true.

and still doesn't make me an 'ex-pat', since an ex-pat is a Brit that doesn't live in the UK. So I guess my great grandfather was one...

Umm it does really, you have left your 'homeland' to live in another country. It certainly makes your moral high ground post somewhat a grey area for you...

That would make an immigrant, an immigrant just like a large swathe of 'our' best sportsmen , not an expat. There is very a clear distinction.

Well that would depend on your plans to return to SA (asking for a friend...)

[dantedelew]

“Lance Forman, a leading Brexit proponent and the owner of London-based salmon smoker H Forman & Sons, is calling for the UK government to compensate businesses damaged by disruption linked to his country's departure from the European Union.”

Under different circumstances this might be hilarious, if they hadn’t pulled the rest of us with them, maybe.
This eedjit was an MEP

He's a charmer...

Easy Lance, it's just a post-match interview.

[Insane_Homer]

George Eustice, Defra secretary, goes full retard.

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/hapless- ... by-the-eu/

Former UKIP member Eustice had written to Ms Kyriakides on 8 February, claiming to have been “surprised that the Commission has changed its position” on the question of importing live, bivalve molluscs for depuration from waters classified as ‘Class B’ into the EU.

The minister argued that the trade should be allowed to continue, suggesting the EU had somehow sprung a ban on Britain’s shell fishermen.

“We can see no scientific or technical justification for this change and the news was conveyed to us rather casually and after the event. This is not in the collaborative and cooperative spirit in which we wish to work together going forward”, he complained.

Ms Kyriakides wrote back two days later, gently reminding the hapless Eustice that he himself has personally written and signed a letter to stakeholders on 10 December setting out the precise position, the one he was claiming to have been ‘surprised’ by, with crystal clarity.

“This was rightly pointed out in your letter of 10 December 2020 to UK businesses updating them on the Border Operating Model and specifically on Prohibitions and Restrictions applicable following the end of the transition period on 1 January 2021. In your letter, you correctly underlined that the export of live bivalve molluscs from Class B production areas for further depuration in the EU would not be allowed.”

[dpedin]

George Eustice, Defra secretary, goes full retard.

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/hapless- ... by-the-eu/

Former UKIP member Eustice had written to Ms Kyriakides on 8 February, claiming to have been “surprised that the Commission has changed its position” on the question of importing live, bivalve molluscs for depuration from waters classified as ‘Class B’ into the EU.

The minister argued that the trade should be allowed to continue, suggesting the EU had somehow sprung a ban on Britain’s shell fishermen.

“We can see no scientific or technical justification for this change and the news was conveyed to us rather casually and after the event. This is not in the collaborative and cooperative spirit in which we wish to work together going forward”, he complained.

Ms Kyriakides wrote back two days later, gently reminding the hapless Eustice that he himself has personally written and signed a letter to stakeholders on 10 December setting out the precise position, the one he was claiming to have been ‘surprised’ by, with crystal clarity.

“This was rightly pointed out in your letter of 10 December 2020 to UK businesses updating them on the Border Operating Model and specifically on Prohibitions and Restrictions applicable following the end of the transition period on 1 January 2021. In your letter, you correctly underlined that the export of live bivalve molluscs from Class B production areas for further depuration in the EU would not be allowed.”

I can't work out if he and his Brexit Ultra mates are just stupid and really don't know all this, or are stupid enough to think that others don't know all this as well or just plain brazenly stupid, lying bastards who are desperate to avoid the blame for careering the country into a feckin shithole of a Brexit deal.

[Rinkals]

George Eustice, Defra secretary, goes full retard.

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/hapless- ... by-the-eu/

Former UKIP member Eustice had written to Ms Kyriakides on 8 February, claiming to have been “surprised that the Commission has changed its position” on the question of importing live, bivalve molluscs for depuration from waters classified as ‘Class B’ into the EU.

The minister argued that the trade should be allowed to continue, suggesting the EU had somehow sprung a ban on Britain’s shell fishermen.

“We can see no scientific or technical justification for this change and the news was conveyed to us rather casually and after the event. This is not in the collaborative and cooperative spirit in which we wish to work together going forward”, he complained.

Ms Kyriakides wrote back two days later, gently reminding the hapless Eustice that he himself has personally written and signed a letter to stakeholders on 10 December setting out the precise position, the one he was claiming to have been ‘surprised’ by, with crystal clarity.

“This was rightly pointed out in your letter of 10 December 2020 to UK businesses updating them on the Border Operating Model and specifically on Prohibitions and Restrictions applicable following the end of the transition period on 1 January 2021. In your letter, you correctly underlined that the export of live bivalve molluscs from Class B production areas for further depuration in the EU would not be allowed.”

I can't work out if he and his Brexit Ultra mates are just stupid and really don't know all this, or are stupid enough to think that others don't know all this as well or just plain brazenly stupid, lying bastards who are desperate to avoid the blame for careering the country into a feckin shithole of a Brexit deal.

I think he's providing a narrative for Brexit supporters which suggests that the EU is being unnecessarily vindictive and unjustly and irrationally penalising the UK.

Possibly the stupid part is not thinking that the EU would respond by referencing his own correspondence.

[sockwithaticket]

George Eustice, Defra secretary, goes full retard.

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/hapless- ... by-the-eu/

Former UKIP member Eustice had written to Ms Kyriakides on 8 February, claiming to have been “surprised that the Commission has changed its position” on the question of importing live, bivalve molluscs for depuration from waters classified as ‘Class B’ into the EU.

The minister argued that the trade should be allowed to continue, suggesting the EU had somehow sprung a ban on Britain’s shell fishermen.

“We can see no scientific or technical justification for this change and the news was conveyed to us rather casually and after the event. This is not in the collaborative and cooperative spirit in which we wish to work together going forward”, he complained.

Ms Kyriakides wrote back two days later, gently reminding the hapless Eustice that he himself has personally written and signed a letter to stakeholders on 10 December setting out the precise position, the one he was claiming to have been ‘surprised’ by, with crystal clarity.

“This was rightly pointed out in your letter of 10 December 2020 to UK businesses updating them on the Border Operating Model and specifically on Prohibitions and Restrictions applicable following the end of the transition period on 1 January 2021. In your letter, you correctly underlined that the export of live bivalve molluscs from Class B production areas for further depuration in the EU would not be allowed.”

I can't work out if he and his Brexit Ultra mates are just stupid and really don't know all this, or are stupid enough to think that others don't know all this as well or just plain brazenly stupid, lying bastards who are desperate to avoid the blame for careering the country into a feckin shithole of a Brexit deal.

The audience for his initial comments don't give a fuck about the EU response, they'll either ignore it, not see it due to the media they consume or call it fake news. Such is the post-fact world.

[Line6 HXFX]

These Brexit twats are coming after the Welsh Assembly and devolution now, as I predicted.

They will probably succeed too, with their repeatable formula based on lies, social media bullshit and the riling of the idiot nation, we have become..

So fucking depressing how Wales just constantly leaps in the wrong direction.

[fishfoodie]

They're at it again.

Brexit: EU says UK grace period extension breaches international law


The EU says a UK move to unilaterally extend grace periods for Irish Sea border checks will be a breach of international law.

Northern Ireland has remained a part of the EU's single market for goods so products arriving from GB undergo EU import procedures.

The grace periods mean procedures and checks are not yet fully applied.

The first of these periods will expire at the end of March, but the UK has said it will be extended until October.

European Commission Vice President Maroš Šefčovič said the move amounted to "a violation of the relevant substantive provisions" of the Brexit deal on Northern Ireland, known as the NI Protocol.

[fishfoodie]

Time to start hoarding bog roll & pasta again folks.

The EU are postponing ratification of the Deal until after they see if the UK sticks to ratcheting up of the NIP controls.

[Hal Jordan]

I wondered why the supermarket was light on Cremant de Loire.

[tc27]

I am not supportive of the governments tone when dealing with the EU in general (and ditching the UK wide backstop was a massive mistake) but there's no way NI should have to put up with empty supermarket shelves or rising tensions with loyalist paramilitaries to preserve the sanctity of the single market. The sea border is going to require flexibility from both sides and the EU is going to need to make the inspection regime as light touch as possible (which is entirely possible).

[fishfoodie]

I am not supportive of the governments tone when dealing with the EU in general (and ditching the UK wide backstop was a massive mistake) but there's no way NI should have to put up with empty supermarket shelves or rising tensions with loyalist paramilitaries to preserve the sanctity of the single market. The sea border is going to require flexibility from both sides and the EU is going to need to make the inspection regime as light touch as possible (which is entirely possible).

The EU Offered another extension period; the Tories rejected it !, the UK didn't even bother their hole to review the Deal in the HoC; they just waved it by.

This deal is UK law ! The NIP is UK Law & the UK isn't implementing it; & the DUP are fucking around with even the basic implementation of it.

What happens if the Republican threaten, if the NIP isn't properly implemented ?, will the UK do a U-turn for them ?

This is on the Tories & the DUP; if they didn't like the deal, they should have triggered Brexit & they shouldn't have signed the Deal.

[Insane_Homer]

[sturginho]

These Brexit twats are coming after the Welsh Assembly and devolution now, as I predicted.

They will probably succeed too, with their repeatable formula based on lies, social media bullshit and the riling of the idiot nation, we have become..

So fucking depressing how Wales just constantly leaps in the wrong direction.

Coming after in what way?

[tc27]

I am not supportive of the governments tone when dealing with the EU in general (and ditching the UK wide backstop was a massive mistake) but there's no way NI should have to put up with empty supermarket shelves or rising tensions with loyalist paramilitaries to preserve the sanctity of the single market. The sea border is going to require flexibility from both sides and the EU is going to need to make the inspection regime as light touch as possible (which is entirely possible).

The EU Offered another extension period; the Tories rejected it !, the UK didn't even bother their hole to review the Deal in the HoC; they just waved it by.

This deal is UK law ! The NIP is UK Law & the UK isn't implementing it; & the DUP are fucking around with even the basic implementation of it.

What happens if the Republican threaten, if the NIP isn't properly implemented ?, will the UK do a U-turn for them ?

This is on the Tories & the DUP; if they didn't like the deal, they should have triggered Brexit & they shouldn't have signed the Deal.

The government must feel it can implement a unilateral extension at least lawfully under UK law.


I feel the rest of your response is just dogmatic legalism or outright tribalism neither of which justify food shortages, bankrupt businesses or risking loyalist terrorism. There is clearly IMO room to make the checks less onerous and intrusive whilst achieving goal of preserving the integrity of the RoIs place in the internal market.

[Insane_Homer]

Just found the first Brexit benefit

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dApp_Other

Ministers are preparing to relax post-Brexit plans for border checks on food and other imports from the European Union because of fears that they will further damage trade and could lead to severe shortages in UK supermarkets.

The Observer has been told by multiple industry sources that Boris Johnson’s new Brexit minister, Lord Frost, is considering allowing “lighter touch” controls on imports from 1 April than are currently planned, and scaling back plans for full customs checks, including physical inspections, which are due to begin on 1 July.

One source said he had been told that Frost was preparing to put the plans, which could mean imports being allowed in even if clerical errors have been made by European companies, before fellow cabinet ministers this week, as evidence grows of how Brexit has hit trade with the EU.

A Downing Street source confirmed on Saturday night that Frost had already ordered “a review of the timetable to ensure that we are not imposing unnecessary burdens on business” but added that it was “early in the process and no decisions have been made”.

vs

Lord Frost tells EU to stop sulking over Brexit and make a success of it

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... are_btn_tw

UK Statistics Authority rebukes Gove over Brexit figures

Cabinet Office used ‘unverifiable data’ to rebut a Road Haulage Association survey showing export volumes dropped by 68%

The Cabinet Office run by Michael Gove has been officially reprimanded by the UK Statistics Authority for using unpublished and unverifiable data in an attempt to deny that Brexit had caused a massive fall in volumes of trade through British ports.

The criticism follows a story in the Observer on 7 February that cited a survey by the Road Haulage Association (RHA) of its international members showing export volumes had dropped by a staggering 68% in January through British ports and the Channel Tunnel.

The RHA wrote to Gove at the time saying: “Intelligence that we are collecting on an ongoing basis from international hauliers suggests that loads to the EU have reduced by as much as 68%, which can also be evidenced by the increased number of empty trailers which are not currently considered in the statistics.”

The RHA also accused Gove of failing to heed its warnings that trade would be damaged unless there was a dramatic increase in the number of customs officials.