Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Rinkals]

At the risk of attracting more comments about my own mental abilities:

It's fortunate that OS isn't the only representative of HM Armed Forces on this bored.

Otherwise, the conclusion that you have to be a forelock-tugging gapeseed to be accepted would be inescapable.

[Openside]

Well I would suggest that neither of them have stepped anywhere near a Covid ward.

My wife has worked throughout the pandemic in various critical care wards and i would say that it has had a pretty much life changing effect on her in relation to her physical and mental health.

In the police we used to have a saying, especially as detectives, that you don't get paid for what you do but for what you might have to do, essentially suggesting that dealing with career defiining, incredibly dangerous and challenging incidents was part and parcel of the role and we shouldn't expect any extra recognition..

The pandemic was over and above anything like that for many nurses and doctors, not just impacting them but also their families to an incredible extent.

As others have suggested, nursing pay is outrageously low as it is, given the training, qualifications and responsibility they carry. so to suggest that dealing with the pandemic was just part and parcel of the job is moronic.

Sadly the Tory government, backed by out of touch, braying imbeciles like yourself, will see nursing absolutely collapse as a profession and then wonder how that happened.

Oh sorry I thought you were serious but actually you are just another 'its all the governments fault' whinger. What is making nursing collapse is that they have reinvented nursing as a degree course, turning off half the suitable candidates that would make great nurses. Nurses are now mini doctors doling out drugs etc. concentrating on the academic side of nursing rather than the caring side.

You can't be thick enough to not realise there was a reason behind that, they didn't just do it for fun, it's an absolute necessity in the current system. So even with all this extra training and responsibility you know so much about, you still don't believe they deserve wages befitting the role. There are also still many many roles for lesser qualified carers however they get paid even bloody less.

Even during a regular shift my wife comes home with a level of phsical and mental exhaustion someone like you couldn't even comprehend.

I would step away from the computer mate. Every keystroke just demonstrates what an out of touch buffon you really are.

I think you have got too used to people having to listen to you, as plod. Get your head out of your arse, and get over yourself you arrogant numpty "someone like you couldn't even comprehend"

I am not suggesting it was done for fun, it was a natural consequence of 'send everyone to Uni' to get a degree, I don't think it was necessary it was being done by nurses quite satisfactorily before all this drive for academic nurses rather than vocational ones. My sister was the sister in charge of the ICU at St. Thomas' in London, after kids she applied for a role as a nurse in the ICU in Derriford they wouldn't even see her as she didn't have a degree. Its bollocks.

[Openside]

It is the ultimate tell about your current mindset though. It's been the comment of choice to belittle public sector workers since Pontius was a pilot.

I don't mean it as a belittling statement it is a fact. I was one myself!!

Then of course you will fully understand and sympathise with the the outcry from all political persuasions to the governments offer of a derisory 1% pay increase for NHS staff

The government is facing a backlash from a broad range of the public over the 1% pay rise offered to NHS workers in England in the wake of the pandemic, as it emerged that the vast majority of voters believe the increase is too low.
With senior Tories already predicting that the government will be forced to rethink the offer, a poll for the Observer revealed that 72% of the public believe the pay deal should be more generous. The Tories are also facing a backlash from their own supporters, as the Opinium poll found a clear majority of Conservative voters (58%) believe the increase is too low.

Christ on a bike of course it is lower than they probably deserve, but we have a 400 billion hole to fill and increasing the NHS salary bill further isn't going to fill it. Millions are going without to protect this 'sacred cow' if we are all in it together they are going to have to be patient as if you do it for one group , the teachers , the police and fire brigade will also have their hands out (understandably)

[Openside]

At the risk of attracting more comments about my own mental abilities:

It's fortunate that OS isn't the only representative of HM Armed Forces on this bored.

Otherwise, the conclusion that you have to be a forelock-tugging gapeseed to be accepted would be inescapable.

Says the armchair warrior...

I think you will find that most ex serviceman on here will think the same, that the nurses would be entirely deserving of a pay rise however there is not the money available at the moment to allow it.

[I like neeps]

You do realise OS Rishi Sunak could easily increase taxes to pay for nurses....

[SaintK]

At the risk of attracting more comments about my own mental abilities:

It's fortunate that OS isn't the only representative of HM Armed Forces on this bored.

Otherwise, the conclusion that you have to be a forelock-tugging gapeseed to be accepted would be inescapable.

Says the armchair warrior...

I think you will find that most ex serviceman on here will think the same, that the nurses would be entirely deserving of a pay rise however there is not the money available at the moment to allow it.

A small %age of the £billions spaffed away on PPE and Track and Trace to their donors and cronies would have done nicely

[Ymx]

Not sure you can equate one off or temporal emergency costs to those in perpetuity. There is more than one year that pay increase will get paid.

[Ymx]

Though it does rile me that politicians take 2% in comparison, if that’s the case.

Should be a public sector freeze across the board. Or absolute minimal amount, and consistent across the board.

[SaintK]

Though it does rile me that politicians take 2% in comparison, if that’s the case.

Should be a public sector freeze across the board. Or absolute minimal amount, and consistent across the board.

To be fair No10 was against the 2020 pay increase and a number of Tory MP's strongly opposed it so it was set aside and not taken up

The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA) said MPs could be entitled to a rise of more than £3,000 next year – taking their basic salaries to around £82,500.
But a group of more than 50 Conservative MPs – including Wolverhampton North East MP Jane Stevenson and West Bromwich East MP Nicola Richards – have opposed the plans due to the hardship the country is facing during the Covid crisis.

[Insane_Homer]

Which would have made perfect sense had hospitals not been emptied of all the people normally recovering from operations. Etc. Nice try.

How many was that?

Still waiting, having trouble finding the answer?

[Rhubarb & Custard]

At the risk of attracting more comments about my own mental abilities:

It's fortunate that OS isn't the only representative of HM Armed Forces on this bored.

Otherwise, the conclusion that you have to be a forelock-tugging gapeseed to be accepted would be inescapable.

Says the armchair warrior...

I think you will find that most ex serviceman on here will think the same, that the nurses would be entirely deserving of a pay rise however there is not the money available at the moment to allow it.

A small %age of the £billions spaffed away on PPE and Track and Trace to their donors and cronies would have done nicely

We need to have that money in reserve to buy failed satellite companies to launch our own independent take on GPS, where by independent we mean joint venture, and by launch we mean never get off the ground

[Openside]

Which would have made perfect sense had hospitals not been emptied of all the people normally recovering from operations. Etc. Nice try.

How many was that?

Still waiting, having trouble finding the answer?

Didn't see your question. Are you seriously trying to tell me that hospitals haven't been cancelling scheduled operations?? I know of three in my circle of friends that are now back on waiting lists. Most hospitals cancelled all non emergency procedures. Look it up yourself.

[Openside]

You do realise OS Rishi Sunak could easily increase taxes to pay for nurses....

And everyone one else that will then demand one...

All these people that say they are all in favour of pay rises for all and sundry aren't so keen when their tax rate gets hiked to pay for it.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

You do realise OS Rishi Sunak could easily increase taxes to pay for nurses....

And everyone one else that will then demand one...

All these people that say they are all in favour of pay rises for all and sundry aren't so keen when their tax rate gets hiked to pay for it.

Well no, but you might accept as part of a societal construct you need to pay for public services even if there's an understandable reluctance on an individual basis.

[Openside]

You do realise OS Rishi Sunak could easily increase taxes to pay for nurses....

And everyone one else that will then demand one...

All these people that say they are all in favour of pay rises for all and sundry aren't so keen when their tax rate gets hiked to pay for it.

Well no, but you might accept as part of a societal construct you need to pay for public services even if there's an understandable reluctance on an individual basis.

Agreed but I think most people think that the tax take is already ample...

[Sandstorm]

How many was that?

Still waiting, having trouble finding the answer?

Didn't see your question. Are you seriously trying to tell me that hospitals haven't been cancelling scheduled operations?? I know of three in my circle of friends that are now back on waiting lists. Most hospitals cancelled all non emergency procedures. Look it up yourself.

Should the NHS do some knee ops or manage a Covid ward full of people on death’s door?

[Insane_Homer]

How many was that?

Still waiting, having trouble finding the answer?

Didn't see your question. Are you seriously trying to tell me that hospitals haven't been cancelling scheduled operations?? I know of three in my circle of friends that are now back on waiting lists. Most hospitals cancelled all non emergency procedures. Look it up yourself.

One minute you claim theere are a lots of beds available, the next your own anecdote contradicts that.
N=1 anecdotes don't quite measure up.
You claim it's significant, show the data.

[I like neeps]

You do realise OS Rishi Sunak could easily increase taxes to pay for nurses....

And everyone one else that will then demand one...

All these people that say they are all in favour of pay rises for all and sundry aren't so keen when their tax rate gets hiked to pay for it.

And everyone else can be reminded that nurses put their lives on the line for low wages and told to jog on.

And happily we live in a country where hedge fund bosses can donate hundreds of millions to the Tories. They can take on some more tax if that's the kind of cash they have spare. The big tech firms, supermarket bonanzas, second house purchases. Plenty of places we can get taxes from.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

And everyone one else that will then demand one...

All these people that say they are all in favour of pay rises for all and sundry aren't so keen when their tax rate gets hiked to pay for it.

Well no, but you might accept as part of a societal construct you need to pay for public services even if there's an understandable reluctance on an individual basis.

Agreed but I think most people think that the tax take is already ample...

For their taxes yes, but not for services, and one of those things needs to give.

[Blackmac]

At the risk of attracting more comments about my own mental abilities:

It's fortunate that OS isn't the only representative of HM Armed Forces on this bored.

Otherwise, the conclusion that you have to be a forelock-tugging gapeseed to be accepted would be inescapable.

Says the armchair warrior...

I think you will find that most ex serviceman on here will think the same, that the nurses would be entirely deserving of a pay rise however there is not the money available at the moment to allow it.

I think most of the ex- servicemen on here, like myself, will think you are a bit of a deluded, ignorant clown.

[Blackmac]

You do realise OS Rishi Sunak could easily increase taxes to pay for nurses....

And everyone one else that will then demand one...

All these people that say they are all in favour of pay rises for all and sundry aren't so keen when their tax rate gets hiked to pay for it.

And everyone else can be reminded that nurses put their lives on the line for low wages and told to jog on.

And happily we live in a country where hedge fund bosses can donate hundreds of millions to the Tories. They can take on some more tax if that's the kind of cash they have spare. The big tech firms, supermarket bonanzas, second house purchases. Plenty of places we can get taxes from.

Easier just to freeze lower rate tax thresholds and public sector wages for what, 10 out of the last 13 years, whilst working most of them into the ground. And you get stupid twats thinking that the NHS staffing crisis is nothing to do with the wages.

[Openside]

Still waiting, having trouble finding the answer?

Didn't see your question. Are you seriously trying to tell me that hospitals haven't been cancelling scheduled operations?? I know of three in my circle of friends that are now back on waiting lists. Most hospitals cancelled all non emergency procedures. Look it up yourself.

Should the NHS do some knee ops or manage a Covid ward full of people on death’s door?

Hang on are you suggesting that the NHS aren’t doing knee ops? Well that blows IH’s argument out of the water

[Openside]

At the risk of attracting more comments about my own mental abilities:

It's fortunate that OS isn't the only representative of HM Armed Forces on this bored.

Otherwise, the conclusion that you have to be a forelock-tugging gapeseed to be accepted would be inescapable.

Says the armchair warrior...

I think you will find that most ex serviceman on here will think the same, that the nurses would be entirely deserving of a pay rise however there is not the money available at the moment to allow it.

I think most of the ex- servicemen on here, like myself, will think you are a bit of a deluded, ignorant clown.

Who did you serve with BM? Please don’t tell me the RMP

[Openside]

You do realise OS Rishi Sunak could easily increase taxes to pay for nurses....

And everyone one else that will then demand one...

All these people that say they are all in favour of pay rises for all and sundry aren't so keen when their tax rate gets hiked to pay for it.

And everyone else can be reminded that nurses put their lives on the line for low wages and told to jog on.

And happily we live in a country where hedge fund bosses can donate hundreds of millions to the Tories. They can take on some more tax if that's the kind of cash they have spare. The big tech firms, supermarket bonanzas, second house purchases. Plenty of places we can get taxes from.

Aah the good old socialist ideal, it always works out so well..

[Rinkals]

At the risk of attracting more comments about my own mental abilities:

It's fortunate that OS isn't the only representative of HM Armed Forces on this bored.

Otherwise, the conclusion that you have to be a forelock-tugging gapeseed to be accepted would be inescapable.

Says the armchair warrior...

I think you will find that most ex serviceman on here will think the same, that the nurses would be entirely deserving of a pay rise however there is not the money available at the moment to allow it.

Yeah, right.

There was no conscription in Rhodesia.

[Blackmac]

Says the armchair warrior...

I think you will find that most ex serviceman on here will think the same, that the nurses would be entirely deserving of a pay rise however there is not the money available at the moment to allow it.

I think most of the ex- servicemen on here, like myself, will think you are a bit of a deluded, ignorant clown.

Who did you serve with BM? Please don’t tell me the RMP

No, bright enough to get myself a nice, safe trade fixing Phantoms and Tornado's in the RAF. 7 years and spent my one war sunning myself by a pool in Dhahran.

Listen, I have got a bit heated here. It's an emotive subject for me because of what we have been through over the last year. I think most of what you are saying is bollocks but would like to apologise for the personal comments.

[Openside]

I think most of the ex- servicemen on here, like myself, will think you are a bit of a deluded, ignorant clown.

Who did you serve with BM? Please don’t tell me the RMP

No, bright enough to get myself a nice, safe trade fixing Phantoms and Tornado's in the RAF. 7 years and spent my one war sunning myself by a pool in Dhahran.

Listen, I have got a bit heated here. It's an emotive subject for me because of what we have been through over the last year. I think most of what you are saying is bollocks but would like to apologise for the personal comments.

Apology accepted, I am sorry you are having a tough time of it I don’t think you are alone. I am sorry too.

But the RAF doesn’t really count as military

[I like neeps]

And everyone one else that will then demand one...

All these people that say they are all in favour of pay rises for all and sundry aren't so keen when their tax rate gets hiked to pay for it.

And everyone else can be reminded that nurses put their lives on the line for low wages and told to jog on.

And happily we live in a country where hedge fund bosses can donate hundreds of millions to the Tories. They can take on some more tax if that's the kind of cash they have spare. The big tech firms, supermarket bonanzas, second house purchases. Plenty of places we can get taxes from.

Aah the good old socialist ideal, it always works out so well..

That's not socialism. That's taxing very profitable parts of the economy whose success has been made possible by govt fiscal interventions (hedge funds) or policies (lockdown and shops closing).

[Sandstorm]

Taxing the 1% is coming. Some super-rich people are just going to have to 1 less 1960s Ferrari or Mayfair penthouse for their portfolios. I think they’ll be ok.

[Blackmac]

Who did you serve with BM? Please don’t tell me the RMP

No, bright enough to get myself a nice, safe trade fixing Phantoms and Tornado's in the RAF. 7 years and spent my one war sunning myself by a pool in Dhahran.

Listen, I have got a bit heated here. It's an emotive subject for me because of what we have been through over the last year. I think most of what you are saying is bollocks but would like to apologise for the personal comments.

Apology accepted, I am sorry you are having a tough time of it I don’t think you are alone. I am sorry too.

But the RAF doesn’t really count as military

It was military enough to provoke an extremely nasty punch up with a group of Para's in a pub in Lincoln. Never seen so many purple sweatshirts and pancho villa moustaches. Just a little bit of individual style would have gone a long way.

[fishfoodie]

No, bright enough to get myself a nice, safe trade fixing Phantoms and Tornado's in the RAF. 7 years and spent my one war sunning myself by a pool in Dhahran.

Listen, I have got a bit heated here. It's an emotive subject for me because of what we have been through over the last year. I think most of what you are saying is bollocks but would like to apologise for the personal comments.

Apology accepted, I am sorry you are having a tough time of it I don’t think you are alone. I am sorry too.

But the RAF doesn’t really count as military

It was military enough to provoke an extremely nasty punch up with a group of Para's in a pub in Lincoln. Never seen so many purple sweatshirts and pancho villa moustaches. Just a little bit of individual style would have gone a long way.

Are you sure there wasn't a Freddie Mercury look-alike contest going on ?, the two groups can be very easily confused.

[Blackmac]

Apology accepted, I am sorry you are having a tough time of it I don’t think you are alone. I am sorry too.

But the RAF doesn’t really count as military

It was military enough to provoke an extremely nasty punch up with a group of Para's in a pub in Lincoln. Never seen so many purple sweatshirts and pancho villa moustaches. Just a little bit of individual style would have gone a long way.

Are you sure there wasn't a Freddie Mercury look-alike contest going on ?, the two groups can be very easily confused.

You maybe have something there. I did seem odd how easy it was to bitch slap them about. Damn, I've been eating out on that story for years and you have just destroyed it.

[Openside]

No, bright enough to get myself a nice, safe trade fixing Phantoms and Tornado's in the RAF. 7 years and spent my one war sunning myself by a pool in Dhahran.

Listen, I have got a bit heated here. It's an emotive subject for me because of what we have been through over the last year. I think most of what you are saying is bollocks but would like to apologise for the personal comments.

Apology accepted, I am sorry you are having a tough time of it I don’t think you are alone. I am sorry too.

But the RAF doesn’t really count as military

It was military enough to provoke an extremely nasty punch up with a group of Para's in a pub in Lincoln. Never seen so many purple sweatshirts and pancho villa moustaches. Just a little bit of individual style would have gone a long way.

It’s not the way we work, your average Tom’s drinking uniform was Regt T shirt Ron Hills DB’s and those green bomber jackets

[Openside]

Apology accepted, I am sorry you are having a tough time of it I don’t think you are alone. I am sorry too.

But the RAF doesn’t really count as military

It was military enough to provoke an extremely nasty punch up with a group of Para's in a pub in Lincoln. Never seen so many purple sweatshirts and pancho villa moustaches. Just a little bit of individual style would have gone a long way.

Are you sure there wasn't a Freddie Mercury look-alike contest going on ?, the two groups can be very easily confused.

It must have been 3 Para mortars they made most Paras look like Angels

[Insane_Homer]

Hang on are you suggesting that the NHS aren’t doing knee ops? Well that blows IH’s argument out of the water

Where did I claim that?

You did, to such a significant level (that you're yet to quantify) that apparently there are a large enough number free beds available to warrant a NHS pay rise of 1%.

[Muttonbird]

Hang on are you suggesting that the NHS aren’t doing knee ops? Well that blows IH’s argument out of the water

Where did I claim that?

You did, to such a significant level (that you're yet to quantify) that apparently there are a large enough number free beds available to warrant a NHS pay rise of 1%.

It was OS who said they weren't doing knee ops because his three mates went back in the list.

Question is, why are Openside's friends leeching off the public system? Surely they should be doing this privately.

[Openside]

Hang on are you suggesting that the NHS aren’t doing knee ops? Well that blows IH’s argument out of the water

Where did I claim that?

You did, to such a significant level (that you're yet to quantify) that apparently there are a large enough number free beds available to warrant a NHS pay rise of 1%.

That is so much shite, I maintained that the NHS was cancelling you asked me to prove it, frankly it’s on you to disprove my statement rather than me to prove it! You might want to look at today’s DT there is an article stating the NHS has a backlog of 6 million patients due to the pandemic...

[Openside]

Hang on are you suggesting that the NHS aren’t doing knee ops? Well that blows IH’s argument out of the water

Where did I claim that?

You did, to such a significant level (that you're yet to quantify) that apparently there are a large enough number free beds available to warrant a NHS pay rise of 1%.

It was OS who said they weren't doing knee ops because his three mates went back in the list.

Question is, why are Openside's friends leeching off the public system? Surely they should be doing this privately.

As usual Muttonbird tries to stir up some shit but merely advertises that he hasn’t a clue what is being discussed.

[Muttonbird]

Where did I claim that?

You did, to such a significant level (that you're yet to quantify) that apparently there are a large enough number free beds available to warrant a NHS pay rise of 1%.

It was OS who said they weren't doing knee ops because his three mates went back in the list.

Question is, why are Openside's friends leeching off the public system? Surely they should be doing this privately.

As usual Muttonbird tries to stir up some shit but merely advertises that he hasn’t a clue what is being discussed.

You might want to ask least make an attempt at answering the question since you threw the info out there to score political points.

Why are your friends lined up for elective surgery on the taxpayer?

[Insane_Homer]

That is so much shite, I maintained that the NHS was cancelling you asked me to prove it, frankly it’s on you to disprove my statement rather than me to prove it!

No, it's up to you to provide proof of your claim. Clearly you can't.