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Slick wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:54 am
Biffer wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:45 am Mine scheduled for 6th April. I'm 50.
Have you got the letter? I saw I should get the first between 6th and 19th which is great
Yep, got it yesterday, as did a mate the same age.
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Slick wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:20 am A couple of mates of mine (under 50) in London have been called in and had their jabs, they seem to be flying down there
That's not supposed to be happening
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Saint wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:09 am
Slick wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:20 am A couple of mates of mine (under 50) in London have been called in and had their jabs, they seem to be flying down there
That's not supposed to be happening
Well, I’m 47 and got mine 2 days ago. As did wife and a couple of other friends in our area.

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They may hate us, but at least we rise above it for the good.

UK to offer Covid vaccines to Ireland


March 28 2021, The Sunday Times

Britain is planning to offer 3.7 million Covid jabs to Ireland, in part to help lift the lockdown in Northern Ireland, in a move that could raise tensions with the European Union.

It would be the first time the UK has exported vaccines to the EU, but the plan was described by a cabinet minister as a “poke in the eye for Brussels” because it could disrupt EU unity.

Brussels, which has co-ordinated vaccine procurement and delivery on behalf of its member states, has made slower progress than the UK. Amid an acrimonious dispute over supplies, the EU has threatened to block exports of vaccines and their ingredients.

Dominic Raab, the foreign secretary, Michael Gove, chancellor of the duchy of Lancaster, and Brandon Lewis, the Northern Ireland secretary, have had “outline discussions” about the plan.

Failure to vaccinate the Irish could trigger a third wave in Northern Ireland if people travel across the border when lockdown restrictions are lifted.

A cabinet source said: “Everyone can see the logic of it. It’s good politics while at the same time solving a genuine public health concern in Northern Ireland.

“It is a balancing act, making sure that we have enough vaccines to give the UK’s adult population the second dose. Easter will be when we might be able to start offering vaccines to Ireland.”

Developing countries could receive UK vaccines after Ireland. But the Cabinet Office is drawing up plans to send surplus vaccines to other EU countries this year amid fears that the poor vaccine programme in France and Germany could boost extremist parties. “The fear is that Macron has made such a mess of things that it might mean we end up with Marine Le Pen getting elected,” a well-placed Whitehall source said. “No one wants that.”

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Ymx wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:11 am
Saint wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:09 am
Slick wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:20 am A couple of mates of mine (under 50) in London have been called in and had their jabs, they seem to be flying down there
That's not supposed to be happening
Well, I’m 47 and got mine 2 days ago. As did wife and a couple of other friends in our area.

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Cohort 2 has not been opened for vaccination. They're breaking JCVI guidance badly.
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Hong Kong wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:09 am I’m getting the BioNTech vaccination: first on 31 March, 2nd on 21 April
Just received the text message stating that due to the faulty packaging issues, my jab has been cancelled and I’ll be notified later fir the rescheduled date
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Just had my AZ one.

No side effects yet apart from mild TWAT FUCK ARSE Tourettes..
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7th April for me. Seem to be last in line of a group of younger mates who have all had theirs.
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TB63 wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:46 am Just had my AZ one.

No side effects yet apart from mild TWAT FUCK ARSE Tourettes..
You got the vaccination 45 years ago???
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President Emmanuel Macron said France’s vaccination rollout will have caught up with the UK’s “in a few weeks” amid tensions over vaccine supplies.
France is currently 13% UK 47% ish few weeks and even with slow down we're still vaccinating a lot everyday. What is this man on, has he lost the plot, mistranslation :???: :lolno:
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BnM wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:26 pm
President Emmanuel Macron said France’s vaccination rollout will have caught up with the UK’s “in a few weeks” amid tensions over vaccine supplies.
France is currently 13% UK 47% ish few weeks and even with slow down we're still vaccinating a lot everyday. What is this man on, has he lost the plot, mistranslation :???: :lolno:
Playing to the audience. Even with the number of anti-vaxxers in France, it still doesn't look good that they're so far behind.
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BnM wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:26 pm
President Emmanuel Macron said France’s vaccination rollout will have caught up with the UK’s “in a few weeks” amid tensions over vaccine supplies.
France is currently 13% UK 47% ish few weeks and even with slow down we're still vaccinating a lot everyday. What is this man on, has he lost the plot, mistranslation :???: :lolno:
'Few' is doing a lot of work in that quote.
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Got mine booked for Wednesday. A friend in Norfolk had hers just over a week ago and she's only 48.
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Biffer wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:28 pm
BnM wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:26 pm
President Emmanuel Macron said France’s vaccination rollout will have caught up with the UK’s “in a few weeks” amid tensions over vaccine supplies.
France is currently 13% UK 47% ish few weeks and even with slow down we're still vaccinating a lot everyday. What is this man on, has he lost the plot, mistranslation :???: :lolno:
'Few' is doing a lot of work in that quote.
They're also going to need 30m or so doses too.
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UK Vaccination numbers

1st dose:
30,151,287

2nd dose:
3,527,481

France Vaccination numbers

1st dose
7.55 million

2nd dose:
2.64 million

So in a "few" weeks they need to administer 22 million odd doses to reach where the UK is right now.

Macron doing himself no favours at all
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Grim stuff from Mexico as their Government has admitted the actual death count is way higher than the official toll (321,000 vs 201,000) and no way are they the only ones in this position.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:17 pm Grim stuff from Mexico as their Government has admitted the actual death count is way higher than the official toll (321,000 vs 201,000) and no way are they the only ones in this position.
Russia had an excess death toll of over 300,000 in 2020.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:17 pm Grim stuff from Mexico as their Government has admitted the actual death count is way higher than the official toll (321,000 vs 201,000) and no way are they the only ones in this position.
A similar re-evaluation in Brazil would likely show 500,000+ (I would actually believe 1,000,000+)
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Brazil is an absolute shitshow.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:17 pm Brazil is an absolute shitshow.
Nah, he’s just a Northerner.
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Saint wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:10 pm UK Vaccination numbers

1st dose:
30,151,287

2nd dose:
3,527,481

France Vaccination numbers

1st dose
7.55 million

2nd dose:
2.64 million

So in a "few" weeks they need to administer 22 million odd doses to reach where the UK is right now.

Macron doing himself no favours at all
Friend of mine on facebook had something on about the european vaccination situation, friends of his in france sent a screenshot of the vaccination clinics opening hours. Let's just say they were very French.
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Wow, I see that some of you are now enjoying at making comparisons between how fuckd the French are with their vaccine and how much better the UK is, as I recall no French or anybody made any comparison about your government mishandling of the pandemic.
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Marylandolorian wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:17 pm Wow, I see that some of you are now enjoying at making comparisons between how fuckd the French are with their vaccine and how much better the UK is, as I recall no French or anybody made any comparison about your government mishandling of the pandemic.
Who's enjoying it? Talking about how fecking stupid politicians are world wide doesn't mean I get pleasure from others suffering.
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Classic British obsession with France. For all their mishandling of the vaccine roll-out what's the chance that at the end of all this they will end up with a lower per capita death rate and less damage to their economy?
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Raggs wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:21 pm
Marylandolorian wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:17 pm Wow, I see that some of you are now enjoying at making comparisons between how fuckd the French are with their vaccine and how much better the UK is, as I recall no French or anybody made any comparison about your government mishandling of the pandemic.
Who's enjoying it? Talking about how fecking stupid politicians are world wide doesn't mean I get pleasure from others suffering.
Exactly - the situation in mainland Europe is very concerning - the fact that some politicians are making it worse, is even more concerning. We'll all be in the shit if Europe doesn't get control back quickly. The ramifications for both health, and the economy, are horrendous.
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Marylandolorian wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:17 pm Wow, I see that some of you are now enjoying at making comparisons between how fuckd the French are with their vaccine and how much better the UK is, as I recall no French or anybody made any comparison about your government mishandling of the pandemic.
I was commenting on Macron's statement and how it was disjointed from reality.

But let's be honest, EVERYONE'S been piling on to the British governments mishandling of the pandemic over the last 12 months, including us Brits
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Saint wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:38 pm
Marylandolorian wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:17 pm Wow, I see that some of you are now enjoying at making comparisons between how fuckd the French are with their vaccine and how much better the UK is, as I recall no French or anybody made any comparison about your government mishandling of the pandemic.
I was commenting on Macron's statement and how it was disjointed from reality.

But let's be honest, EVERYONE'S been piling on to the British governments mishandling of the pandemic over the last 12 months, including us Brits
I agree with all of you about macron, few pages ago I said that he has been the worst prez since Petain in 1942, and also about everyone been talking about the way Bojo & co mishandled the pandemic, like we did withtrump, my poke was about the comparisons “ oh look , look at the French “

@ Raggs, I never wrote that you were enjoying the suffering, these are your words, I just said enjoying the comparison about the vaccine because the UK is doing much better.
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Poor, but similar to the rest of Europe, response to COVID = U.K. crap, dying country, absolute joke

Pleased with U.K. vaccination program - U.K. arrogance and selfishness.

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Yes and also worth bearing in mind senior members of the French government including Macron have made some pretty shitty comments about the UK vaccination programme and the Oxford vaccine.
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Slick wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:53 am Poor, but similar to the rest of Europe, response to COVID = U.K. crap, dying country, absolute joke

Pleased with U.K. vaccination program - U.K. arrogance and selfishness.

Yup, we get it
It's almost like there are elections or something in Europe in 8 weeks time and their politicians are feeling some sort of pressure.....
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Saint wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:58 pm TBH I'm far more bothered about Brazil. I have a horrible suspicion that we're about to see the complete collapse of a nation state, and due to Covid the rest of the world won't be in a position to mount a proper humanitarian response. It's going to get extremely bad
No need for hyperbole :roll:
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Latest in the vaccine wars. Novavax production was supposed to be in the UK, then shipped to Europe for fill and finish before being returned to the UK. That would no longer appear to be the case (can't think why....). It's now going to travel just up the road to a GSK facility for fill and finish.

The UK gov is saying that this is just investing in UK Pharma, but does anyone believe that they would be doing this if Ursula hadn't put her foot in it?
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Watch all the way to the end
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Saint wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:10 pm UK Vaccination numbers

1st dose:
30,151,287

2nd dose:
3,527,481

France Vaccination numbers

1st dose
7.55 million

2nd dose:
2.64 million

So in a "few" weeks they need to administer 22 million odd doses to reach where the UK is right now.

Macron doing himself no favours at all
Well, might France be able to overtake the UK for 2nd doses? If so, then I don't think its the worst thing for Macron to say.
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dantedelew wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:05 pm
Saint wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:10 pm UK Vaccination numbers

1st dose:
30,151,287

2nd dose:
3,527,481

France Vaccination numbers

1st dose
7.55 million

2nd dose:
2.64 million

So in a "few" weeks they need to administer 22 million odd doses to reach where the UK is right now.

Macron doing himself no favours at all
Well, might France be able to overtake the UK for 2nd doses? If so, then I don't think its the worst thing for Macron to say.
Seeing as virtually all the UK is going to be doing till is 2nd dose till Novovax or Moderna becomes available to us (or there's a significant increase in production from Pfizer/AZ) then no chance at all. We're still not seriously into second dose territory in the UK; that starts next week really, but the UK is already outpacing France there as well.
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Saint wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:59 pm Latest in the vaccine wars. Novavax production was supposed to be in the UK, then shipped to Europe for fill and finish before being returned to the UK. That would no longer appear to be the case (can't think why....). It's now going to travel just up the road to a GSK facility for fill and finish.

The UK gov is saying that this is just investing in UK Pharma, but does anyone believe that they would be doing this if Ursula hadn't put her foot in it?
This also follows Novavax’s decision to delay signing a deal with the EU. Looks like Novavax have got serious cold feet about dealing with the EU.
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The EU official, who asked not to named as the talks are confidential, said the company had postponed signing a deal for weeks, citing legal issues in meetings with the bloc’s vaccine negotiators.

“They are slowing down the process of finishing the contract,” the official, who attended the meetings, told Reuters.

Informally, a Novavax executive had said a slow pace in negotiations was warranted because the company was having production problems, the EU official said.

A Novavax spokeswoman said in an email that talks with the EU over a supply deal continue, but declined to say more about the discussions.
Some gamesmanship going on somewhere.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health- ... SL1N2LN0UE
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Lobby wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:48 pm
Saint wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:59 pm Latest in the vaccine wars. Novavax production was supposed to be in the UK, then shipped to Europe for fill and finish before being returned to the UK. That would no longer appear to be the case (can't think why....). It's now going to travel just up the road to a GSK facility for fill and finish.

The UK gov is saying that this is just investing in UK Pharma, but does anyone believe that they would be doing this if Ursula hadn't put her foot in it?
This also follows Novavax’s decision to delay signing a deal with the EU. Looks like Novavax have got serious cold feet about dealing with the EU.
Although there might have been a bit of Novavax wanting to simplify supply chain issues, I suspect GSK were put under a lot of pressure from HMG, and I wonder what sort of investment/tax-break has been offered. It appears that GSK are doing this at cost which is also a good look for them given that so far they've not had much public success in Covid stuff
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Keeping this in the UK is at this stage just common sense. We can't hold ourselves hostage to French theatrics forever.

Fun fact about the GSK site at Barnard Castle - on Friday you get free food from the canteen so long as it is deemed healthy based on a corporate HR policy (set by the US). So you can get a black pudding butty for free at breakfast, but you'll be charged a pound for crisps at lunch. Two countries separated by a common language...
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Good piece on AZ in the bbc

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56570364

With hindsight would probably have been better for Oxford to partner with Merck to develop their vaccine rather than AZ.
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