So, coronavirus...

[Raggs]

Does it actually link it to the vaccine or it's just people have died and people have had the vaccine.

There could be even less causation than ice cream and drowning.

[BnM]

BBC are reporting across all their channels 7 blood clot deaths from 18m vaccines. Seems an outrageous report

Well it is a FACT.

But won’t play well across Europe.

The only figures I could find was we'd expect about 330 cases of these blood clots pa. So then it doesn't seem bad but that's extrapolated from US figures. How many cases pa do we normally have?

[TheNatalShark]

BBC are reporting across all their channels 7 blood clot deaths from 18m vaccines. Seems an outrageous report

Well it is a FACT.

But won’t play well across Europe.

Will it not play well in Canada?


Question, do we think all the countries that have suspended are lying about their incidence reports, and that the initial investigations and theory put forward by the Oslo university hospital that really kicked off the national suspensions is nothing more than the utterances of dribbling morons seeking to protect Norway's precious place as a central pillar in the EU? Should we go outside, shift gaze between our sun dials and erected flags and say it's "All alright Jack" and stop any in market monitoring of the great product?

Or do we just let them get on with investigations and review/cry the sky in Europe (+ Canada and RoW?) is falling down if they identify something we think relevant.



In the meantime, demand for AZ the vaccine in Europe will continue to outstrip the supply, rendering our wailings about "briefings" against AZ efficacy by "the EU" moot.

France



Italy



Interestingly Spain currently has a very low utilisation rate of Moderna doses received, less than 50%. Presume partially to do with holding 2nd dose reserves. Note this data doesn't include 1mm AZ doses received on Thursday

https://www.mscbs.gob.es/profesionales/ ... 210401.pdf


Whilst chunks of Germany and Spain are taking Easter weekend breaks from vaccinations because religion (and to allow Germans to and return from Majorca trips).

[Saint]

BBC are reporting across all their channels 7 blood clot deaths from 18m vaccines. Seems an outrageous report

Well it is a FACT.

But won’t play well across Europe.

The only figures I could find was we'd expect about 330 cases of these blood clots pa. So then it doesn't seem bad but that's extrapolated from US figures. How many cases pa do we normally have?

part of the trouble is that

1 - no-one really knows. There are estimates in the UK that range from 8 to 500 per annum
2 - covid itself can cause blood clots, and we don't really know if the vaccine is causing this or if they've happened to catch covid before the immunity became effective, or if it's just background "noise"

[Biffer]

Well it is a FACT.

But won’t play well across Europe.

The only figures I could find was we'd expect about 330 cases of these blood clots pa. So then it doesn't seem bad but that's extrapolated from US figures. How many cases pa do we normally have?

part of the trouble is that

1 - no-one really knows. There are estimates in the UK that range from 8 to 500 per annum
2 - covid itself can cause blood clots, and we don't really know if the vaccine is causing this or if they've happened to catch covid before the immunity became effective, or if it's just background "noise"

Yeah, I saw a review paper the other day for these kind of blood clots which was from 2018. IIRC they said traditional opinion had been somewhere between 1 and 8 per million people per year, but some recent studies (2016/17) in Netherlands and Australian had higher figures of about 15-18 per million people per year. It’s not been widely studied though.

[Saint]

The only figures I could find was we'd expect about 330 cases of these blood clots pa. So then it doesn't seem bad but that's extrapolated from US figures. How many cases pa do we normally have?

part of the trouble is that

1 - no-one really knows. There are estimates in the UK that range from 8 to 500 per annum
2 - covid itself can cause blood clots, and we don't really know if the vaccine is causing this or if they've happened to catch covid before the immunity became effective, or if it's just background "noise"

Yeah, I saw a review paper the other day for these kind of blood clots which was from 2018. IIRC they said traditional opinion had been somewhere between 1 and 8 per million people per year, but some recent studies (2016/17) in Netherlands and Australian had higher figures of about 15-18 per million people per year. It’s not been widely studied though.

Exactly. Pretty much the first time there has been a wide study of this is post vaccination. The guess/estimate is that lots of this has been undiagnosed in the past, but no-one really has any idea.

In the meantime UK published stats aren't all that meaningful over Easter, but over 5 million are now double dosed - around 10% of the eligble population at the moment

[Sandstorm]

Hawaii has been almost Covid19 free for a year. But it’s Easter and hundreds of thousands of Yanks and Canucks have descended this week. No Covid checks, quarantine or vaccine passports in place obviously.

Hire cars are impossible to get, so Uber Infection Machines are running 24/7. Bars and restaurants are supposed to be max 50% occupancy, but no one is listening.

Expect a major spike in the next couple of weeks in the Islands.

[Raggs]

Hawaii has been almost Covid19 free for a year. But it’s Easter and hundreds of thousands of Yanks and Canucks have descended this week. No Covid checks, quarantine or vaccine passports in place obviously.

Hire cars are impossible to get, so Uber Infection Machines are running 24/7. Bars and restaurants are supposed to be max 50% occupancy, but no one is listening.

Expect a major spike in the next couple of weeks in the Islands.

There's a lot of the nasty p1 variant in Canada too, that would be really bad.

[Sandstorm]

Hawaii has been almost Covid19 free for a year. But it’s Easter and hundreds of thousands of Yanks and Canucks have descended this week. No Covid checks, quarantine or vaccine passports in place obviously.

Hire cars are impossible to get, so Uber Infection Machines are running 24/7. Bars and restaurants are supposed to be max 50% occupancy, but no one is listening.

Expect a major spike in the next couple of weeks in the Islands.

There's a lot of the nasty p1 variant in Canada too, that would be really bad.

Delta are filling their middle seats again, despite govt guidelines. So planes and destinations have more people close together.

[Raggs]

Hawaii has been almost Covid19 free for a year. But it’s Easter and hundreds of thousands of Yanks and Canucks have descended this week. No Covid checks, quarantine or vaccine passports in place obviously.

Hire cars are impossible to get, so Uber Infection Machines are running 24/7. Bars and restaurants are supposed to be max 50% occupancy, but no one is listening.

Expect a major spike in the next couple of weeks in the Islands.

There's a lot of the nasty p1 variant in Canada too, that would be really bad.

Delta are filling their middle seats again, despite govt guidelines. So planes and destinations have more people close together.

Craziness.

I really hope the UK doesn't go over the top as we unlock. We've got an incredibly low case rate right now I feel, but we're still pretty restricted. Hopefully we can keep pushing it down and get out of this safely, without a massive third wave, even if it's not as deadly.

[TheNatalShark]

Some pretty sad stats re the failure to plan before and during the Conteplosion to reign in service groups demanding they get vaccinated over the elderly. Room for Italy to overtake UK in raw cumulative government reported deaths if they only start levelling mid-April. Re lockdowns could well be first in Europe to go in and last to come out of one.





https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co ... TA~DEU~ESP

[Biffer]

Some pretty sad stats re the failure to plan before and during the Conteplosion to reign in service groups demanding they get vaccinated over the elderly. Room for Italy to overtake UK in raw cumulative government reported deaths if they only start levelling mid-April. Re lockdowns could well be first in Europe to go in and last to come out of one.





https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co ... TA~DEU~ESP

Italy will likely go past the UK in terms of deaths per million population this week.

[tc27]

Im hearing that pretty serious meetings are taking place regarding the blood clot risk in younger females from AZ in the UK.

[Sandstorm]

Im hearing that pretty serious meetings are taking place regarding the blood clot risk in younger females from AZ in the UK.

Give women on the pill the Pfiser jab instead. Use AZ for all remaining males 18-50

[tc27]

Im hearing that pretty serious meetings are taking place regarding the blood clot risk in younger females from AZ in the UK.

Give women on the pill the Pfiser jab instead. Use AZ for all remaining males 18-50

Yes but the messaging needs to be really careful as many people still need to have AZ.

Probaly means the governemnt will miss its July target.

[Sandstorm]

Im hearing that pretty serious meetings are taking place regarding the blood clot risk in younger females from AZ in the UK.

Give women on the pill the Pfiser jab instead. Use AZ for all remaining males 18-50

Yes but the messaging needs to be really careful as many people still need to have AZ.

Probaly means the governemnt will miss its July target.

Don’t be so French

[Calculon]

I still find these videos amusing. Texas woman arrested for refusing to wear a mask, sounds like she is starting to regret her actions at the end of this clip

[Hong Kong]

I still find these videos amusing. Texas woman arrested for refusing to wear a mask, sounds like she is starting to regret her actions at the end of this clip

Dull Karen

[Slick]

It's such a shit country that a) you have that many idiots and b) you can get slammed into the ground and cuffed for a fairly minor infraction.

[Sandstorm]

It's such a shit country that a) you have that many idiots and b) you can get slammed into the ground and cuffed for a fairly minor infraction.

Cop feared for his life!!

[Ovals]

It's such a shit country that a) you have that many idiots and b) you can get slammed into the ground and cuffed for a fairly minor infraction.

Cop feared for his life!!

Stupid woman - got what she deserved.

[Chilli]

I still find these videos amusing. Texas woman arrested for refusing to wear a mask, sounds like she is starting to regret her actions at the end of this clip

Stupid fucking American.
I can't believe that after all this time cretins like this still exist .

[Biffer]

It's such a shit country that a) you have that many idiots and b) you can get slammed into the ground and cuffed for a fairly minor infraction.

It's only when they start doing it regularly to middle aged white people like her that anyone will give a shit about changing it.

[Rinkals]

I still find these videos amusing. Texas woman arrested for refusing to wear a mask, sounds like she is starting to regret her actions at the end of this clip

Stupid fucking American.
I can't believe that after all this time cretins like this still exist .

You obviously didn't realise that Idiocracy was a documentary,

[Slick]

It's such a shit country that a) you have that many idiots and b) you can get slammed into the ground and cuffed for a fairly minor infraction.

It's only when they start doing it regularly to middle aged white people like her that anyone will give a shit about changing it.

Correct. Thing is, you can understand why the police are so aggressive with the number of guns around, every arrest could turn lethal, so the circle will just continue.

[Raggs]

It's such a shit country that a) you have that many idiots and b) you can get slammed into the ground and cuffed for a fairly minor infraction.

She wasn't slammed into the ground. However, she was trespassing, and refusing to leave, there's solid and obvious grounds for arrest, the cop himself has seen it, and has it on tape. He then goes to arrest her, and she resists, and further resists and further resists. At that point there's really only 2 options, let her go, and she's still trespassing, and now the police are toothless, or put her on the floor and force the arrest.

Please don't try and say there was no need for handcuffs, it's procedure, you don't know which lovely little old lady has a knife in her bag etc.

[tabascoboy]

It's such a shit country that a) you have that many idiots and b) you can get slammed into the ground and cuffed for a fairly minor infraction.

It's only when they start doing it regularly to middle aged white people like her that anyone will give a shit about changing it.

Correct. Thing is, you can understand why the police are so aggressive with the number of guns around, every arrest could turn lethal, so the circle will just continue.

It seems, essentially, that as a cop you have to assume everyone you encounter is going to kill you or die trying to kill you...not good.

[Slick]

It's such a shit country that a) you have that many idiots and b) you can get slammed into the ground and cuffed for a fairly minor infraction.

She wasn't slammed into the ground. However, she was trespassing, and refusing to leave, there's solid and obvious grounds for arrest, the cop himself has seen it, and has it on tape. He then goes to arrest her, and she resists, and further resists and further resists. At that point there's really only 2 options, let her go, and she's still trespassing, and now the police are toothless, or put her on the floor and force the arrest.

Please don't try and say there was no need for handcuffs, it's procedure, you don't know which lovely little old lady has a knife in her bag etc.

She was walking towards the door. Once he had made up his mind I agree the cuffs go on, but it didn't really need to get there from what we can see.

[Raggs]

It's such a shit country that a) you have that many idiots and b) you can get slammed into the ground and cuffed for a fairly minor infraction.

She wasn't slammed into the ground. However, she was trespassing, and refusing to leave, there's solid and obvious grounds for arrest, the cop himself has seen it, and has it on tape. He then goes to arrest her, and she resists, and further resists and further resists. At that point there's really only 2 options, let her go, and she's still trespassing, and now the police are toothless, or put her on the floor and force the arrest.

Please don't try and say there was no need for handcuffs, it's procedure, you don't know which lovely little old lady has a knife in her bag etc.

She was walking towards the door. Once he had made up his mind I agree the cuffs go on, but it didn't really need to get there from what we can see.

She only started going towards the door after he started trying to arrest her.

[Calculon]

I've fallen down the youtube rabbit hole....

I had some sympathy for the old lady but it looks like she has form when it comes to getting herself arrested



Crazy lady: "You are taking my rights away!"
Wittiest cop in existence: "That's what happens when you go to jail."

[sturginho]

I've fallen down the youtube rabbit hole....

I had some sympathy for the old lady but it looks like she has form when it comes to getting herself arrested



Crazy lady: "You are taking my rights away!"
Wittiest cop in existence: "That's what happens when you go to jail."

She seems lovely

[Bullet]

Not sure if this thread is the right place for a question but does anyone else have neighbours that have ignored lockdown and will have to deal with them when lifted?
There was 14 (from 4 households) at party in their front garden Saturday and I've realised that I don't need that level of selfish in my life.

[Slick]

Not sure if this thread is the right place for a question but does anyone else have neighbours that have ignored lockdown and will have to deal with them when lifted?
There was 14 (from 4 households) at party in their front garden Saturday and I've realised that I don't need that level of selfish in my life.

Haven't seen anything like that, but I know quite a few mates up here are starting to break the rules in small ways - 2 couples inside, a couple meeting up to watch the rugby etc.

[Marylandolorian]

I still find these videos amusing. Texas woman arrested for refusing to wear a mask, sounds like she is starting to regret her actions at the end of this clip



https://watch?v=2fLHdICYz9U

Texas yesterday, 38000 fans, most massless in the stadium.

[BnM]

This is bullshit - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ne-rollout

AstraZeneca has been squarely blamed by the EU for its comparatively slow Covid vaccine rollout after the bloc of 27 states failed to achieve its target to vaccinate 80% of older people by the end of March.

Thierry Breton, the EU commissioner with responsibility for vaccine supply and distribution, suggested the Anglo-Swedish pharmaceutical company had been wholly at fault for a difficult and widely criticised start.

“If we had received the 100% of AstraZeneca’s vaccines that were contracted to us, the European Union would be at the same level today as Great Britain in terms of vaccines,” he told Le Parisien. “So I can say that the turbulence we have experienced is solely due to AstraZeneca’s failure to deliver.

“In the first quarter, AstraZeneca delivered only a quarter of the doses we ordered, while the British received all of them, even though our contract was signed before them, in August 2020.” except that's not really true is it.

AstraZeneca, which is providing jabs on a not-for-profit basis, was only able to deliver 30m of the expected 120m doses expected by the EU in the first quarter of this year, largely due to a low yield in its plant in Belgium.

Contrary to Breton’s comments, UK officials said the company had also been unable to fulfil its commitments to the British government, with only a third of the due doses delivered. The UK and the commission are in difficult negotiations over the fate of doses being produced in an AstraZeneca plant in the Netherlands.

AstraZeneca CEO Pascal Soriot made the argument that the U.K. had better vaccine supply because the U.K. signed an agreement for vaccines months earlier than the EU. Formally, this isn’t true: The U.K. contract was signed on August 28, while the EU’s was signed a day earlier on August 27.

However, the key lies in an earlier agreement that AstraZeneca made back in May with the U.K., which was a binding deal establishing “the development of a dedicated supply chain for the U.K.,” an AstraZeneca spokesperson said.

“Protecting the U.K.‘s supply was a central objective ... as that was being negotiated from April onwards,” the official said. Even though this isn't explicitly stated in the contract, the official said that the government’s role in the early stages of the vaccine meant “there is absolutely no way that AstraZeneca would have been able to enter a contract which gave away equal priority of access to the U.K. doses.”

This British supply was therefore already secured by the time four EU countries — Germany, the Netherlands, France and Italy — signed an agreement in June to obtain up to 300 million doses of the vaccines. The countries’ deal at the time was a fairly bare-bones agreement, and it’s unclear whether it established a European supply chain, but over the summer it was transferred into the formal purchasing agreement managed by the Commission.

[BnM]

How it started


How it's going

[fishfoodie]

Some animals seem to be doing quite well out of this lockdown shite.



This bold as brass urban fox is probably heading up to Toner's on Baggot street for a pint; the jammy bastard

[Biffer]

John Burn Murdoch with good statistical analysis again



Russia and Mexico lying like shit about numbers of deaths.

[Happyhooker]

Not sure if this thread is the right place for a question but does anyone else have neighbours that have ignored lockdown and will have to deal with them when lifted?
There was 14 (from 4 households) at party in their front garden Saturday and I've realised that I don't need that level of selfish in my life.

Haven't seen anything like that, but I know quite a few mates up here are starting to break the rules in small ways - 2 couples inside, a couple meeting up to watch the rugby etc.

well apart from your elderly neighbours and their dinner parties.........

[robmatic]

John Burn Murdoch with good statistical analysis again



Russia and Mexico lying like shit about numbers of deaths.

Good analysis but you just have to look in the comments to see that some people even struggle with the concept of excess deaths. Science communication is an uphill battle.