NPR

Second dose of AZ done this morning
Even quicker and more efficient than the first

Just back from my first dose. In and out in less than 3 minutes.

5G is not yet apparent, but I guess it will take up to 3 weeks to become avaiulable?

Saint wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 1:45 pm Just back from my first dose. In and out in less than 3 minutes.

5G is not yet apparent, but I guess it will take up to 3 weeks to become avaiulable?

Funny enough I'm not even getting 4g at the mo, paying £27 a month to vodafone for now over a month of this shit. Coincidence.....

Just back fro 2nd stab. in and out before my appointment time. Now counting down until I suddenly feel cr@p. Just glad to have it done and counting down until the immunity fully develops.

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:18 am

Fangle wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:06 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 8:24 am

Cool. Although I think Fangle is right: millions of loons in USA will mean their vax program will probably stall at 80% complete. UK will finish in the 90s IMO.

All over there is no need for appointments trying to get people in.

Trump must stand up and push for it, but his feet were cut out from under him because Kamala said, before Christmas, that she wouldn’t trust what he says about the safety of the vaccines. But he should still make a public safety announcement and hopefully get more in.

Yeah, but the people who trust Trump wouldn’t trust Harris.

These are mugs though...

on a plus note total vaccine in France were over 500 000 yesterday

I had a look a hospital number an the elderlies are looking to disappear from hospital (covid related) so our horrid death numbers are likely to finaly fall off

deconfinment likely too soon (confinment was too late) 2 weeks until they lift a lot of restrictions..

Saint wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 1:45 pm Just back from my first dose. In and out in less than 3 minutes.

5G is not yet apparent, but I guess it will take up to 3 weeks to become avaiulable?

The Bill Gates dreams come first

Glaston wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:19 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 1:45 pm Just back from my first dose. In and out in less than 3 minutes.

5G is not yet apparent, but I guess it will take up to 3 weeks to become avaiulable?

The Bill Gates dreams come first

Woke up about 4 times last night when I rolled over onto the side that had the jab. Very tender muscle there at the moment.

Saint wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 8:46 am

Glaston wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:19 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 1:45 pm Just back from my first dose. In and out in less than 3 minutes.

5G is not yet apparent, but I guess it will take up to 3 weeks to become avaiulable?

The Bill Gates dreams come first

Woke up about 4 times last night when I rolled over onto the side that had the jab. Very tender muscle there at the moment.

I never had any arm aches, or soreness, after my jabs - maybe my lack of muscle is proving to be of benefit

Ovals wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 12:25 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 8:46 am

Glaston wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:19 pm

The Bill Gates dreams come first

Woke up about 4 times last night when I rolled over onto the side that had the jab. Very tender muscle there at the moment.

I never had any arm aches, or soreness, after my jabs - maybe my lack of muscle is proving to be of benefit

I have an impinged right shoulder, its almost impossible for me to sleep on that side anyway.
I wont notice any difference in the pains I will likely get .

My sis in France has just had her 2nd AZ, no arm pain just tired for a couple of days.

Browsing the govt website. This is covid cases for Harrogate. Unfortunately they don't have one for deaths. It's very striking, first wave mainly the old, second explains why we're getting so many cases of long covid.

It's been over a month now since a covid death in Harrogate




https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... mographics

To days over 500 000 Shots (thursday Friday) hoping for same on saturday ... the weekly average has gone over 400 000 (Really can't wait for May 15th I'll be rage booking my painfull shoulder).

Over here they will be setting up in the mega black churches to make it easier for those congregations. I hope that they will be able to do the same with the Evangelical ones as well. Some folks are difficult.

laurent wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:03 pm To days over 500 000 Shots (thursday Friday) hoping for same on saturday ... the weekly average has gone over 400 000 (Really can't wait for May 15th I'll be rage booking my painfull shoulder).

Starting to get there then

Saint wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:18 pm

laurent wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:03 pm To days over 500 000 Shots (thursday Friday) hoping for same on saturday ... the weekly average has gone over 400 000 (Really can't wait for May 15th I'll be rage booking my painfull shoulder).

Starting to get there then

Well yesterday's number are small (being may first has made it too much)

but the vaccination umbers are within expectation. (and deliveries)

laurent wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 7:09 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:18 pm

laurent wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 5:03 pm To days over 500 000 Shots (thursday Friday) hoping for same on saturday ... the weekly average has gone over 400 000 (Really can't wait for May 15th I'll be rage booking my painfull shoulder).

Starting to get there then

Well yesterday's number are small (being may first has made it too much)

but the vaccination umbers are within expectation. (and deliveries)

Good to hear that France is buidling momentum with it's vaccine programme - be nice when all of europe gets well down the vaccination path - sooner the better for all of us.

What do they think this next wave that the models are predicting is going to look like?

I’m presuming we won’t be back at hospitals being inundated and thousands of deaths? Will it be a much more manageable version? Is the worry more long COVID amongst the younger? Will we be looking at another lockdown?

I know there is always going to be worry around new variants etc, but presumably the vaccinations are going to temper things dramatically?

Interestingly talking to a few of my friends this weekend who were fairy anti lockdown originally, they are all worried we are opening up to quick at the moment

Slick wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 6:30 am What do they think this next wave that the models are predicting is going to look like?

I’m presuming we won’t be back at hospitals being inundated and thousands of deaths? Will it be a much more manageable version? Is the worry more long COVID amongst the younger? Will we be looking at another lockdown?

I know there is always going to be worry around new variants etc, but presumably the vaccinations are going to temper things dramatically?

Interestingly talking to a few of my friends this weekend who were fairy anti lockdown originally, they are all worried we are opening up to quick at the moment

I (non-scientifically) suspect that the next wave would be in the autumn anyway because seasonal effects will kick in before too long and the magnitude should be much reduced as the UK is getting close to herd immunity.

There is understandable caution about opening up too quickly but I reckon people's behaviour has been loosening for a while anyway and despite that hospital admissions are on a consistent downward trend.

robmatic wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:56 am

Slick wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 6:30 am What do they think this next wave that the models are predicting is going to look like?

I’m presuming we won’t be back at hospitals being inundated and thousands of deaths? Will it be a much more manageable version? Is the worry more long COVID amongst the younger? Will we be looking at another lockdown?

I know there is always going to be worry around new variants etc, but presumably the vaccinations are going to temper things dramatically?

Interestingly talking to a few of my friends this weekend who were fairy anti lockdown originally, they are all worried we are opening up to quick at the moment

I (non-scientifically) suspect that the next wave would be in the autumn anyway because seasonal effects will kick in before too long and the magnitude should be much reduced as the UK is getting close to herd immunity.

There is understandable caution about opening up too quickly but I reckon people's behaviour has been loosening for a while anyway and despite that hospital admissions are on a consistent downward trend.

I’m expecting a relatively normal second half of the summer, with some things still in place as recommended e.g. masks on transport.

I’m expecting some restrictions to be reintroduced for periods in the winter to be honest. The it all depends on how a global vaccination program goes and what revaccination is needed. But I’ll be surprised if we’re not entirely back to normal in 2022, although there’s likely to be some permanent changes in behaviour - we’ll see a lot more people masked on planes, not just East Asian tourists.

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:17 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:56 am

Slick wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 6:30 am What do they think this next wave that the models are predicting is going to look like?

I’m presuming we won’t be back at hospitals being inundated and thousands of deaths? Will it be a much more manageable version? Is the worry more long COVID amongst the younger? Will we be looking at another lockdown?

I know there is always going to be worry around new variants etc, but presumably the vaccinations are going to temper things dramatically?

Interestingly talking to a few of my friends this weekend who were fairy anti lockdown originally, they are all worried we are opening up to quick at the moment

I (non-scientifically) suspect that the next wave would be in the autumn anyway because seasonal effects will kick in before too long and the magnitude should be much reduced as the UK is getting close to herd immunity.

There is understandable caution about opening up too quickly but I reckon people's behaviour has been loosening for a while anyway and despite that hospital admissions are on a consistent downward trend.

I’m expecting a relatively normal second half of the summer, with some things still in place as recommended e.g. masks on transport.

I’m expecting some restrictions to be reintroduced for periods in the winter to be honest. The it all depends on how a global vaccination program goes and what revaccination is needed. But I’ll be surprised if we’re not entirely back to normal in 2022, although there’s likely to be some permanent changes in behaviour - we’ll see a lot more people masked on planes, not just East Asian tourists.

Well that's positive. What kind of restrictions do you think might be reintroduced in the winter?

The permanent changes in behaviour is an interesting one. I agree that masks will be come a lot more visable now that we are used to them and see the benefits of them in keeping away colds etc, not just covid - I think I'll be wearing them on the underground etc.

The behavioural thing is interesting. Are we going to go back to shaking hands with people we're being introduced to again etc?

Possibly not.

Slick wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:22 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:17 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:56 am

I (non-scientifically) suspect that the next wave would be in the autumn anyway because seasonal effects will kick in before too long and the magnitude should be much reduced as the UK is getting close to herd immunity.

There is understandable caution about opening up too quickly but I reckon people's behaviour has been loosening for a while anyway and despite that hospital admissions are on a consistent downward trend.

I’m expecting a relatively normal second half of the summer, with some things still in place as recommended e.g. masks on transport.

I’m expecting some restrictions to be reintroduced for periods in the winter to be honest. The it all depends on how a global vaccination program goes and what revaccination is needed. But I’ll be surprised if we’re not entirely back to normal in 2022, although there’s likely to be some permanent changes in behaviour - we’ll see a lot more people masked on planes, not just East Asian tourists.

Well that's positive. What kind of restrictions do you think might be reintroduced in the winter?

The permanent changes in behaviour is an interesting one. I agree that masks will be come a lot more visable now that we are used to them and see the benefits of them in keeping away colds etc, not just covid - I think I'll be wearing them on the underground etc.

I’m not thinking huge restrictions but possibly masks compulsory in indoor public space and public transport, maybe some household mixing restrictions (but again, not down to zero), maybe some restrictions on hospital visits. So less than we have now, maybe more like where we’ll be in a month or so. Also maybe encouragement to get staff to work from home, but not compulsory, that kind of thing.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:47 am The behavioural thing is interesting. Are we going to go back to shaking hands with people we're being introduced to again etc?

Possibly not.

That’s a really tough one. I do (well, did) a lot of conferences and exhibitions in my work, so that was a constant round of handshakes of people you don’t know. Doesn’t create a good impression if you’re disinfecting your hands straight after you’ve talked to them!

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:51 am

Slick wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:22 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:17 am

I’m expecting a relatively normal second half of the summer, with some things still in place as recommended e.g. masks on transport.

I’m expecting some restrictions to be reintroduced for periods in the winter to be honest. The it all depends on how a global vaccination program goes and what revaccination is needed. But I’ll be surprised if we’re not entirely back to normal in 2022, although there’s likely to be some permanent changes in behaviour - we’ll see a lot more people masked on planes, not just East Asian tourists.

Well that's positive. What kind of restrictions do you think might be reintroduced in the winter?

The permanent changes in behaviour is an interesting one. I agree that masks will be come a lot more visable now that we are used to them and see the benefits of them in keeping away colds etc, not just covid - I think I'll be wearing them on the underground etc.

I’m not thinking huge restrictions but possibly masks compulsory in indoor public space and public transport, maybe some household mixing restrictions (but again, not down to zero), maybe some restrictions on hospital visits. So less than we have now, maybe more like where we’ll be in a month or so. Also maybe encouragement to get staff to work from home, but not compulsory, that kind of thing.

Also, the Times today is reporting that large events will still be restricted numbers in the summer, European Championship final at Wembley will be 50% capacity for example. More to do with choke points around bars and public transport than the event itself. That might continue through to next year.

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:53 am

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:47 am The behavioural thing is interesting. Are we going to go back to shaking hands with people we're being introduced to again etc?

Possibly not.

That’s a really tough one. I do (well, did) a lot of conferences and exhibitions in my work, so that was a constant round of handshakes of people you don’t know. Doesn’t create a good impression if you’re disinfecting your hands straight after you’ve talked to them!

I was in the busy High Street yesterday and the behaviour of the elderly is very different. Where a few months ago they all wore masks in the street and cautiously walked around people, now they’re back to walking in straight lines (masks off) like their second jabs made them bulletproof.

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:53 am

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:47 am The behavioural thing is interesting. Are we going to go back to shaking hands with people we're being introduced to again etc?

Possibly not.

That’s a really tough one. I do (well, did) a lot of conferences and exhibitions in my work, so that was a constant round of handshakes of people you don’t know. Doesn’t create a good impression if you’re disinfecting your hands straight after you’ve talked to them!

To be honest I was awkward and standoffish before the pandemic so that can happily continue.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:10 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:53 am

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:47 am The behavioural thing is interesting. Are we going to go back to shaking hands with people we're being introduced to again etc?

Possibly not.

That’s a really tough one. I do (well, did) a lot of conferences and exhibitions in my work, so that was a constant round of handshakes of people you don’t know. Doesn’t create a good impression if you’re disinfecting your hands straight after you’ve talked to them!

I was in the busy High Street yesterday and the behaviour of the elderly is very different. Where a few months ago they all wore masks in the street and cautiously walked around people, now they’re back to walking in straight lines (masks off) like their second jabs made them bulletproof.

It's true, it's like an oldie revenge. Saw an old fella grab a shop assistant by the hand the other day with a slightly evil glint in his eye.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:10 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:53 am

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:47 am The behavioural thing is interesting. Are we going to go back to shaking hands with people we're being introduced to again etc?

Possibly not.

That’s a really tough one. I do (well, did) a lot of conferences and exhibitions in my work, so that was a constant round of handshakes of people you don’t know. Doesn’t create a good impression if you’re disinfecting your hands straight after you’ve talked to them!

I was in the busy High Street yesterday and the behaviour of the elderly is very different. Where a few months ago they all wore masks in the street and cautiously walked around people, now they’re back to walking in straight lines (masks off) like their second jabs made them bulletproof.

Walking the streets isn't particularly high risk tbf. Combination of being fully vaccinated and a plummet in infection rates would make me a little more relaxed in the same circumstances

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:28 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:10 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:53 am

That’s a really tough one. I do (well, did) a lot of conferences and exhibitions in my work, so that was a constant round of handshakes of people you don’t know. Doesn’t create a good impression if you’re disinfecting your hands straight after you’ve talked to them!

I was in the busy High Street yesterday and the behaviour of the elderly is very different. Where a few months ago they all wore masks in the street and cautiously walked around people, now they’re back to walking in straight lines (masks off) like their second jabs made them bulletproof.

Walking the streets isn't particularly high risk tbf. Combination of being fully vaccinated and a plummet in infection rates would make me a little more relaxed in the same circumstances

Easy to say from the safety of the margins.

There will be mutations and a few scares to come re their importation and spread in the UK for next couple of years. Hopefully nothing too serious but who knows. There is also likely to be a bad flu season this year or next given masks and social distancing etc reduced levels to near zero this winter, however there will be less immunity to the bugs kicking around in the community this coming winter. It would be wise to maintain masks and social distancing in certain environments over this coming winter and as an emergency response if required into 2022. Problem areas will be pubs and clubs, transport and big open plan offices. We can't really afford to have a bad flu/respiratory virus winter if we hope to start addressing the NHS backlog, staff are knackered and will struggle with a bad winter on top of trying to increase work to tackle the waiting lists. Hopefully folk will see the bigger picture, be responsible citizens and maintain some form of responsible social distancing over this winter to give the NHS a chance to catch up, or else they will be the usual selfish morons, forget the last 18 months and let a mutation or flu spread and overwhelm the NHS again! I suspect the latter.

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:53 am Doesn’t create a good impression if you’re disinfecting your hands straight after you’ve talked to them!

I'm grateful I don't work in your industry.

What a pack of cunts if they get the arse over that

My company is still working to make the office environment safe

mat the expat wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:37 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:53 am Doesn’t create a good impression if you’re disinfecting your hands straight after you’ve talked to them!

I'm grateful I don't work in your industry.

What a pack of cunts if they get the arse over that

My company is still working to make the office environment safe

Mat with a traditional I’ve-seen-something-online-and-I’m-going-to-take-it-to-the-extreme-and-call-people-cunts-to-try-to-feel-superior line there. Well done, the classics are always welcome here. Not saying anyone would take offence, just not a great look. More relevant probably is if you’ve got to use hand sanitiser 50-70 times a day your skin will feel like it’s had a good rub down with sandpaper.

Starting to think that the thistle pod is either making shit up or believing any old garbage that they hear. Or both.

Hasn’t it been proved that Covid is hardly spread through contact but to a very large extent only by air? All the same I don’t see a mass going back to handshakes, but rather fist pumping for quite a while to come.

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:43 am

mat the expat wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:37 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:53 am Doesn’t create a good impression if you’re disinfecting your hands straight after you’ve talked to them!

I'm grateful I don't work in your industry.

What a pack of cunts if they get the arse over that

My company is still working to make the office environment safe

Mat with a traditional I’ve-seen-something-online-and-I’m-going-to-take-it-to-the-extreme-and-call-people-cunts-to-try-to-feel-superior line there. Well done, the classics are always welcome here. Not saying anyone would take offence, just not a great look. More relevant probably is if you’ve got to use hand sanitiser 50-70 times a day your skin will feel like it’s had a good rub down with sandpaper.

Start bowing like Japanese businessmen do.

Slick wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:27 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:10 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:53 am

That’s a really tough one. I do (well, did) a lot of conferences and exhibitions in my work, so that was a constant round of handshakes of people you don’t know. Doesn’t create a good impression if you’re disinfecting your hands straight after you’ve talked to them!

I was in the busy High Street yesterday and the behaviour of the elderly is very different. Where a few months ago they all wore masks in the street and cautiously walked around people, now they’re back to walking in straight lines (masks off) like their second jabs made them bulletproof.

It's true, it's like an oldie revenge. Saw an old fella grab a shop assistant by the hand the other day with a slightly evil glint in his eye.

Same here, I guess they deserve a little break after a year with the Damocles sword over their heads, but they should be careful as the vaccine effectiveness goes down quicker with the older ones.

robmatic wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:16 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:53 am

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:47 am The behavioural thing is interesting. Are we going to go back to shaking hands with people we're being introduced to again etc?

Possibly not.

That’s a really tough one. I do (well, did) a lot of conferences and exhibitions in my work, so that was a constant round of handshakes of people you don’t know. Doesn’t create a good impression if you’re disinfecting your hands straight after you’ve talked to them!

To be honest I was awkward and standoffish before the pandemic so that can happily continue.

My GF's family are a little too huggy and kissy for me, tbh.

Also hate being in the queue in a supermarket and the person behind you keeps bumping up against you.

Bring on the social distancing.

Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:55 am

Slick wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:27 am It's true, it's like an oldie revenge. Saw an old fella grab a shop assistant by the hand the other day with a slightly evil glint in his eye.

Same here, I guess they deserve a little break after a year with the Damocles sword over their heads, but they should be careful as the vaccine effectiveness goes down quicker with the older ones.

Well, there's that, but also the fact that while the research has shown that the vaccines are good at preventing infection in vaccinated individuals, not a lot of research has been done on how transmissible Covid might be in vaccinated individuals. Even though you are safe, doesn't mean you can't still be a vector that infects others.

Granted, it's unlikely, but we don't know, so better to play it safe and keep up with all the measures until the all clear. As has been mentioned in this thread, a variant might emerge that is particularly resistant and if it gets a foothold, then it's back to square one.

Fangle wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:23 am but rather fist pumping for quite a while to come.

Better done in private surely?

Blake wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:29 pm

Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:55 am

Slick wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:27 am It's true, it's like an oldie revenge. Saw an old fella grab a shop assistant by the hand the other day with a slightly evil glint in his eye.

Same here, I guess they deserve a little break after a year with the Damocles sword over their heads, but they should be careful as the vaccine effectiveness goes down quicker with the older ones.

Well, there's that, but also the fact that while the research has shown that the vaccines are good at preventing infection in vaccinated individuals, not a lot of research has been done on how transmissible Covid might be in vaccinated individuals. Even though you are safe, doesn't mean you can't still be a vector that infects others.

Granted, it's unlikely, but we don't know, so better to play it safe and keep up with all the measures until the all clear. As has been mentioned in this thread, a variant might emerge that is particularly resistant and if it gets a foothold, then it's back to square one.

There has been some rather large scale studies on transmission rates from vaccinated people too I believe. It's obviously extremely hard to measure accurately, but I think even within households (Where in theory you'll breath the same air a lot) it's reduced by something like 50%.

Blake wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:29 pm

Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:55 am

Slick wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:27 am It's true, it's like an oldie revenge. Saw an old fella grab a shop assistant by the hand the other day with a slightly evil glint in his eye.

Same here, I guess they deserve a little break after a year with the Damocles sword over their heads, but they should be careful as the vaccine effectiveness goes down quicker with the older ones.

Well, there's that, but also the fact that while the research has shown that the vaccines are good at preventing infection in vaccinated individuals, not a lot of research has been done on how transmissible Covid might be in vaccinated individuals. Even though you are safe, doesn't mean you can't still be a vector that infects others.

Granted, it's unlikely, but we don't know, so better to play it safe and keep up with all the measures until the all clear. As has been mentioned in this thread, a variant might emerge that is particularly resistant and if it gets a foothold, then it's back to square one.

I haven't been out much in the more crowded public areas - but, out walking locally, people are still giving each other a wide-ish berth.

We've relaxed a little bit and now take advantage of a 'support bubble' that we've been entitled to form with my sister who's husband is disabled.