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Biffer wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 7:09 am One Chinese company not bothered by the tariffs are the makers of MAGA tat

While many Chinese businesses are reeling from the trade war, Qi, the Maga merchandise maker, brushed off any suggestion his might suffer.

Trump supporters, he said, were willing to pay any price for items bearing the image of their beloved president — and US suppliers were making such a huge profit on them that they could afford to partially absorb the tariff impact.

A Trump baseball cap, for instance, cost only Rmb7.50 ($1) to produce. Tariffs might raise that cost to Rmb20, but the caps were being sold for $50 in the US.

“American sellers could even use the tariffs as an excuse to raise the price to $60 — yet the extra cost will still be borne by the US consumers,” said Qi.

https://on.ft.com/4cAH6tE

Paywalled
https://archive.ph/LM2bS

It's also now dawned on what passes for the intelligentsia of MAGA that they're shooting themselves in the foot for supply of much needed hi tech goods

*US PUBLISHES TARIFF EXCLUSIONS FOR SPECIFIED PRODUCTS *US TARIFF EXCLUSIONS APPLY TO COMPUTERS, SMARTPHONES *US TARIFF EXCLUSIONS ALSO APPLY TO CHIP-MAKING EQUIPMENT *TARIFF EXCLUSIONS APPLY TO SO-CALLED `RECIPROCAL' TARIFFS

tabascoboy wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:08 pm It's also now dawned on what passes for the intelligentsia of MAGA that they're shooting themselves in the foot for supply of much needed hi tech goods

*US PUBLISHES TARIFF EXCLUSIONS FOR SPECIFIED PRODUCTS *US TARIFF EXCLUSIONS APPLY TO COMPUTERS, SMARTPHONES *US TARIFF EXCLUSIONS ALSO APPLY TO CHIP-MAKING EQUIPMENT *TARIFF EXCLUSIONS APPLY TO SO-CALLED `RECIPROCAL' TARIFFS

Exempting the high value stuff and leaving tariffs on raw materials isn't exactly an economic positive.

tabascoboy wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:08 pm It's also now dawned on what passes for the intelligentsia of MAGA that they're shooting themselves in the foot for supply of much needed hi tech goods

*US PUBLISHES TARIFF EXCLUSIONS FOR SPECIFIED PRODUCTS *US TARIFF EXCLUSIONS APPLY TO COMPUTERS, SMARTPHONES *US TARIFF EXCLUSIONS ALSO APPLY TO CHIP-MAKING EQUIPMENT *TARIFF EXCLUSIONS APPLY TO SO-CALLED `RECIPROCAL' TARIFFS

Tacit admission from the thick bastards that the costs of tariffs are paid for by the importing country? Not that they'll say it out loud.

As I'd said at the other place prior, this tarrif war is over before it even begun. The US can't send Apple, Nvidia, Dell, HP and the entire country to the wall. The US needs China electronics. China needs sweet feck all from the US.

For what it's worth the Biden administration laid out the blueprint on how to deal with China's enormous manufacturing clout. Select specific areas of national dependency, give US entrepreneurs (which are still the best in the world) the incentive to get out and do things in critical areas, and watch it happen - which they did.

Flockwitt wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 7:41 pm As I'd said at the other place prior, this tarrif war is over before it even begun. The US can't send Apple, Nvidia, Dell, HP and the entire country to the wall. The US needs China electronics. China needs sweet feck all from the US.

Tech bro donations and ring kissing paid off, this has nothing to do with rational thinking or a plan, wet his beak and it's good enough.

Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 8:19 pm

Flockwitt wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 7:41 pm As I'd said at the other place prior, this tarrif war is over before it even begun. The US can't send Apple, Nvidia, Dell, HP and the entire country to the wall. The US needs China electronics. China needs sweet feck all from the US.

Tech bro donations and ring kissing paid off, this has nothing to do with rational thinking or a plan, wet his beak and it's good enough.

Trump can't actually deal with hard economic reality. Bend the knee to Xi. Get it over with now and move on to the next headline grabber as he always does.

Flockwitt wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 8:42 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 8:19 pm

Flockwitt wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 7:41 pm As I'd said at the other place prior, this tarrif war is over before it even begun. The US can't send Apple, Nvidia, Dell, HP and the entire country to the wall. The US needs China electronics. China needs sweet feck all from the US.

Tech bro donations and ring kissing paid off, this has nothing to do with rational thinking or a plan, wet his beak and it's good enough.

Trump can't actually deal with hard economic reality. Bend the knee to Xi. Get it over with now and move on to the next headline grabber as he always does.

Unfortunately, the King's next headline grabbing distraction could be something as extreme as a national abortion ban.

Gumboot wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 9:16 pm

Flockwitt wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 8:42 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 8:19 pm

Tech bro donations and ring kissing paid off, this has nothing to do with rational thinking or a plan, wet his beak and it's good enough.

Trump can't actually deal with hard economic reality. Bend the knee to Xi. Get it over with now and move on to the next headline grabber as he always does.

Unfortunately, the King's next headline grabbing distraction could be something as extreme as a national abortion ban.

Or a little war with Iran.

The TSA is now going through people's phones looking for anti Trump posts on social media.

Uncle fester wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 10:13 pm

Gumboot wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 9:16 pm

Flockwitt wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 8:42 pm

Trump can't actually deal with hard economic reality. Bend the knee to Xi. Get it over with now and move on to the next headline grabber as he always does.

Unfortunately, the King's next headline grabbing distraction could be something as extreme as a national abortion ban.

Or a little war with Iran.

In the very stable genius we trust.

This was shared elsewhere, almost didn't believe it was 6 years ago the way he talked about Navarro, tariffs, and how stupid they both are.

The very real problem now is the way Trump has gone about this has great exacerbated the issue. A tarrif of 10 or 20% companies and markets could adjust to. Whacking some 100 odd% tariff aribtarily here and taking them off there means many companies are simply stopping shipping altogether hoping it will calm down. Which means no cash flow, the company killer. And if it doesn't die down then companies are faced with the damned if you do and damned if you don't choice. And why should Xi care? For every Chinese company that goes bust, so will a US one. As a nation China's markets are so diversified now it isn't really going to matter in the bigger picture. The US has to buy electronics, they have no choice, the USD will continue to roll into China. Meanwhile US exporters are screwed. A complete cluster.

Meanwhile the US bonds...

Tichtheid wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:38 pm The TSA is now going through people's phones looking for anti Trump posts on social media.

How long before people start falling out of windows?

I’vem just seen a post that states Trump got his tariff idea from Navarro who wrote a book in which he quotes an economist called Ron Vara multiple times in calling for tariffs

Ron Vara doesn’t exist, it’s an anagram of Navarro - is this all true?

Hal Jordan wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 7:29 am

Tichtheid wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:38 pm The TSA is now going through people's phones looking for anti Trump posts on social media.

How long before people start falling out of windows?

I don’t know but a friend of mine is withdrawing from social media because of the actions of the TSA, he says his colleagues are too.
He is looking at ways to move to France, he has family there.

Tichtheid wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 9:52 am I’vem just seen a post that states Trump got his tariff idea from Navarro who wrote a book in which he quotes an economist called Ron Vara multiple times in calling for tariffs

Ron Vara doesn’t exist, it’s an anagram of Navarro - is this all true?

Looks like it

Can't remember if it's been covered in here at this point, but the Trump administration is trying to argue to the Supreme Court that although, by their own admission, they have deported a legal migrant with no criminal history to this brutal El Salvadoran prison, they have no responsibility to bring him back. And he's not the only one, more and more cases are coming to light of completely innocent people, legal migrants, who've been sent to this prison. I'm seeing little difference between this and the use of concentration camps.

There was also this story that came to light the other day of someone who has been legally living and working in the US for years who was refused re-entry and had their visa revoked for no apparent reason after travelling back to Australia for a couple of days.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... MP=soc_567

Trump's press seretary announced publcly the other day that they were looking at ways to deport US citizens. Only the worst criminals she said, bu that's obviously horseshit in context of the egregious freedom of speech violations and forced deportations going on. We can see on our own shores how a much milder government egregiously misuses anti-terrorism and protest legislation, Trump's lot would be considerably worse.

Congress just passed the SAVE act which will require people to vote with a passport or valid birth certificate. A measure that disproportionately impacts women (especially those who've changed their name when marrying) and minorities. Costs for obtaining these things vary hugely by state, but can be hundreds of dollars. It could already take weeks if not months to get a passport before the swingeing cuts to the federal government. All while the majority of Americans have a perfectly valid driver's license as a form of photo ID. It will allegedly only impact those not already registered to vote, but given the Republican tactic of purging state voter roles before elections it's bound to impact huge number of people now that they have carte blanche to do it openly with regime support.

Using the apparatus of the state to bully the legal sector and non-profits that do such dreadful things as explore pro-environment initiatives.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... horitarian

There's that unbelievable video doing the rounds as well of the latest cabinet meeting where everyone present personally tongue punches his orange arsehole with the sort of scripted over the top thanks for existing that we'd expect from North Korean state television.

The authoritarianism, nay fascism, of this administration is every bit as bad as the most ardent critics warned.

Tichtheid wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 9:52 am I’vem just seen a post that states Trump got his tariff idea from Navarro who wrote a book in which he quotes an economist called Ron Vara multiple times in calling for tariffs

Ron Vara doesn’t exist, it’s an anagram of Navarro - is this all true?

I saw that on The Daily Show. Must be something to it if they're prepared to put it on tv.

sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:15 am

Tichtheid wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 9:52 am I’vem just seen a post that states Trump got his tariff idea from Navarro who wrote a book in which he quotes an economist called Ron Vara multiple times in calling for tariffs

Ron Vara doesn’t exist, it’s an anagram of Navarro - is this all true?

I saw that on The Daily Show. Must be something to it if they're prepared to put it on tv.

The worst part was that, if this is all true, Trump dispatched his son in law to find him an economics policy that made him look tough. Kushner apparently browsed Amazon and saw a book title he liked - Death By China. This was written by Navarro and in it are the multiple citings of this Ron Vara, espousing tariffs.

And that is how we've come to the situation where trillions have been wiped off the global economy and we're teetering on the brink of a 2008 level global recession, or that caused by Covid.

Tichtheid wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:34 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:15 am

Tichtheid wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 9:52 am I’vem just seen a post that states Trump got his tariff idea from Navarro who wrote a book in which he quotes an economist called Ron Vara multiple times in calling for tariffs

Ron Vara doesn’t exist, it’s an anagram of Navarro - is this all true?

I saw that on The Daily Show. Must be something to it if they're prepared to put it on tv.

The worst part was that, if this is all true, Trump dispatched his son in law to find him an economics policy that made him look tough. Kushner apparently browsed Amazon and saw a book title he liked - Death By China. This was written by Navarro and in it are the multiple citings of this Ron Vara, espousing tariffs.

And that is how we've come to the situation where trillions have been wiped off the global economy and we're teetering on the brink of a 2008 level global recession, or that caused by Covid.

Ah, but have you considered that the world's 500 wealthiest were able to increase their wealth by 305 billion in the process? Totally worth it.

sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:50 am

Tichtheid wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:34 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:15 am

I saw that on The Daily Show. Must be something to it if they're prepared to put it on tv.

The worst part was that, if this is all true, Trump dispatched his son in law to find him an economics policy that made him look tough. Kushner apparently browsed Amazon and saw a book title he liked - Death By China. This was written by Navarro and in it are the multiple citings of this Ron Vara, espousing tariffs.

And that is how we've come to the situation where trillions have been wiped off the global economy and we're teetering on the brink of a 2008 level global recession, or that caused by Covid.

Ah, but have you considered that the world's 500 wealthiest were able to increase their wealth by 305 billion in the process? Totally worth it.

I can't decide whether kleptocracy, oligarchy or plutocracy is the most appropriate word here.

Tichtheid wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:38 pm The TSA is now going through people's phones looking for anti Trump posts on social media.

So delete bookface and xitter off your phone until you get through immigration?

It's ridiculous that we're even having to talk about this but there are precautions you can take and they don't have the manpower to go through everybody's phone.

Uncle fester wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:57 am

Tichtheid wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:38 pm The TSA is now going through people's phones looking for anti Trump posts on social media.

So delete bookface and xitter off your phone until you get through immigration?

It's ridiculous that we're even having to talk about this but there are precautions you can take and they don't have the manpower to go through everybody's phone.

From my experience of being pulled aside into a small room for interrogation when going through US immigration, they ask for/demand your social media handles so they would be able to check out your posting history. Back in the day that was for checking for your support for ISIS etc. though.

Tichtheid wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 10:00 am

Hal Jordan wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 7:29 am

Tichtheid wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:38 pm The TSA is now going through people's phones looking for anti Trump posts on social media.

How long before people start falling out of windows?

I don’t know but a friend of mine is withdrawing from social media because of the actions of the TSA, he says his colleagues are too.
He is looking at ways to move to France, he has family there.

Classic self-policing through fear, but I don't blame him.

As for that lad in El Salvador, they don't want to bring him back because he's either died there or is going to tell some horrendous stories about what's happening in the prison.

And the obvious utter cuntery that shines through every cunt thing the cunts do.

Kennedy playing down the death from measles of a child in Texas

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-int ... oss-drugs/

Fucking delusional narcissist.

Uncle fester wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:57 am

Tichtheid wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:38 pm The TSA is now going through people's phones looking for anti Trump posts on social media.

So delete bookface and xitter off your phone until you get through immigration?

It's ridiculous that we're even having to talk about this but there are precautions you can take and they don't have the manpower to go through everybody's phone.

My daughter and granddaughter are traveling out to US on Tuesday, she's flipping out at me for loading her FB and Instagram full of anti Drump posts ..

TB63 wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 5:10 pm

Uncle fester wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:57 am

Tichtheid wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 11:38 pm The TSA is now going through people's phones looking for anti Trump posts on social media.

So delete bookface and xitter off your phone until you get through immigration?

It's ridiculous that we're even having to talk about this but there are precautions you can take and they don't have the manpower to go through everybody's phone.

My daughter and granddaughter are traveling out to US on Tuesday, she's flipping out at me for loading her FB and Instagram full of anti Drump posts ..

That’s not as funny as you think it is.

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 5:16 pm

TB63 wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 5:10 pm

Uncle fester wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:57 am

So delete bookface and xitter off your phone until you get through immigration?

It's ridiculous that we're even having to talk about this but there are precautions you can take and they don't have the manpower to go through everybody's phone.

My daughter and granddaughter are traveling out to US on Tuesday, she's flipping out at me for loading her FB and Instagram full of anti Drump posts ..

That’s not as funny as you think it is.

Yeah, nearly everybody I know who travels there routinely has had problems with them and they have NO sense of humour.

I nearly got tazed in Sacramento airport by one lad on a power trip.

sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:50 am

Tichtheid wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:34 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:15 am

I saw that on The Daily Show. Must be something to it if they're prepared to put it on tv.

The worst part was that, if this is all true, Trump dispatched his son in law to find him an economics policy that made him look tough. Kushner apparently browsed Amazon and saw a book title he liked - Death By China. This was written by Navarro and in it are the multiple citings of this Ron Vara, espousing tariffs.

And that is how we've come to the situation where trillions have been wiped off the global economy and we're teetering on the brink of a 2008 level global recession, or that caused by Covid.

Ah, but have you considered that the world's 500 wealthiest were able to increase their wealth by 305 billion in the process? Totally worth it.

Is this true? Amazon, Tesla, Apple etc etc have had billions wiped off their value

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 5:16 pm

TB63 wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 5:10 pm

Uncle fester wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:57 am

So delete bookface and xitter off your phone until you get through immigration?

It's ridiculous that we're even having to talk about this but there are precautions you can take and they don't have the manpower to go through everybody's phone.

My daughter and granddaughter are traveling out to US on Tuesday, she's flipping out at me for loading her FB and Instagram full of anti Drump posts ..

That’s not as funny as you think it is.

Don't get your knickers in a twist, my son in law is in on it, he's doing the same, just haven't told her she's a new, clean phone to go with..

Slick wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 6:54 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:50 am

Tichtheid wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:34 am


The worst part was that, if this is all true, Trump dispatched his son in law to find him an economics policy that made him look tough. Kushner apparently browsed Amazon and saw a book title he liked - Death By China. This was written by Navarro and in it are the multiple citings of this Ron Vara, espousing tariffs.

And that is how we've come to the situation where trillions have been wiped off the global economy and we're teetering on the brink of a 2008 level global recession, or that caused by Covid.

Ah, but have you considered that the world's 500 wealthiest were able to increase their wealth by 305 billion in the process? Totally worth it.

Is this true? Amazon, Tesla, Apple etc etc have had billions wiped off their value

When the pause was announced the 500 billionaires tracked by the Bloomberg Billionaires Index showed the largest increase in wealth in a single day ever. It absolutely smashed the previous record.

Slick wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 6:54 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:50 am

Tichtheid wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:34 am


The worst part was that, if this is all true, Trump dispatched his son in law to find him an economics policy that made him look tough. Kushner apparently browsed Amazon and saw a book title he liked - Death By China. This was written by Navarro and in it are the multiple citings of this Ron Vara, espousing tariffs.

And that is how we've come to the situation where trillions have been wiped off the global economy and we're teetering on the brink of a 2008 level global recession, or that caused by Covid.

Ah, but have you considered that the world's 500 wealthiest were able to increase their wealth by 305 billion in the process? Totally worth it.

Is this true? Amazon, Tesla, Apple etc etc have had billions wiped off their value

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/b ... r-AA1CCVXZ

TB63 wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 7:28 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 5:16 pm

TB63 wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 5:10 pm

My daughter and granddaughter are traveling out to US on Tuesday, she's flipping out at me for loading her FB and Instagram full of anti Drump posts ..

That’s not as funny as you think it is.

Don't get your knickers in a twist, my son in law is in on it, he's doing the same, just haven't told her she's a new, clean phone to go with..

You understand that she has to give them her Facebook logon if they ask, right? Whether it’s on her phone or not?

We don't know what the fcuk we're doing and don't care who knows it #3583652

Trump Admin Walks Back Tariff Exemption On Electronics

U.S. Customs and Border Protection claimed late on Friday that imported electronics, such as smartphones, laptops and more, would be exempt from Trump’s tariffs.
Taiyler S. Mitchell
13/04/2025 09:50pm BST

President Donald Trump and White House officials walked back a Friday announcement that there would be tariff exemptions on imported electronics.

In a Truth Social post on Sunday, Trump directly denied the tariff exemption announcement.

Biffer wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 9:52 am

TB63 wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 7:28 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 5:16 pm

That’s not as funny as you think it is.

Don't get your knickers in a twist, my son in law is in on it, he's doing the same, just haven't told her she's a new, clean phone to go with..

You understand that she has to give them her Facebook logon if they ask, right? Whether it’s on her phone or not?

Innocent question, can you lock it down and say you don't have an FB profile?

Uncle fester wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:11 pm

Biffer wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 9:52 am

TB63 wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 7:28 pm

Don't get your knickers in a twist, my son in law is in on it, he's doing the same, just haven't told her she's a new, clean phone to go with..

You understand that she has to give them her Facebook logon if they ask, right? Whether it’s on her phone or not?

Innocent question, can you lock it down and say you don't have an FB profile?

You’d be breaking the terms of your visa / esta by lying about it. Which is an instant reason to refuse entry.