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Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:49 am
by dpedin
Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:42 pm
dpedin wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:39 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:30 pm mmm, no idea they they're project fearing it like then? Bloomberg & the FT just reporting about fuck all then, but you.... lemme think again... not enough space to list all your expertise. :problem: :lol:



Its a fair deal - they get all our banking and financial business we get a 100,000 bright orange, aging, unwell and possibly ex cons British immigrants returning from Costa del Sol once they find out what its going to cost them! Don't know what you're complaining about! We knew what we were voting for!!!


See IH, this is your level.
Irony mode switched off then?

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:37 pm
by Insane_Homer
dpedin wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:49 am Irony mode switched off then?
He's even worse at spotting sarcasm, but when at Karenbot level, it's not surprising.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:18 pm
by Bimbowomxn
Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:37 pm
dpedin wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:49 am Irony mode switched off then?
He's even worse at spotting sarcasm, but when at Karenbot level, it's not surprising.


Unfortunately As I’ve stated before I post straight with you and other, considering things you post in earnest I’ll not pick out the ones that are sarcastic.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:35 pm
by Insane_Homer
Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:18 pm Unfortunately As I’ve stated before I post straight with you and other*, considering things you post in earnest I’ll not pick out the ones that are sarcastic.
*Except for those times when you make shit up, continually attribute reports as the poster direct statement and call people names? Straight my arse :lol:

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:20 pm
by Insane_Homer

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:21 pm
by Longshanks
Both sides moving closer to a deal
Britain has reduced its demand on fish in UK waters to 60%*. Still no where near what EU offered.

Edit
*according to EU sources

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:23 pm
by fishfoodie
Meanwhile, the UK plans on further breaking of International Law.
Mr Barnier told EU ambassadors this morning that if the proposed Finance Bill contained clauses which "breached international law" there would be a complete breakdown in trust between both sides.

He delivered the blunt warning near the end of a briefing of member states this morning on the state of play in the negotiations.

There have been reports that the UK Finance Bill, expected next week, would contain clauses which gave British ministers the powers to decide unilaterally on elements of the Northern Ireland Protocol, such as the potential imposition of tariffs on goods moving from Britain to Northern Ireland.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:38 pm
by Bimbowomxn
fishfoodie wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:23 pm Meanwhile, the UK plans on further breaking of International Law.
Mr Barnier told EU ambassadors this morning that if the proposed Finance Bill contained clauses which "breached international law" there would be a complete breakdown in trust between both sides.

He delivered the blunt warning near the end of a briefing of member states this morning on the state of play in the negotiations.

There have been reports that the UK Finance Bill, expected next week, would contain clauses which gave British ministers the powers to decide unilaterally on elements of the Northern Ireland Protocol, such as the potential imposition of tariffs on goods moving from Britain to Northern Ireland.


No, it removed powers for the EU to break up the UK internal market. It will be dropped as it was a simple warning shot regarding the future and interference from Brussels in the UK.

Let’s pray for a no deal now, the EU and rampant nationalism in the South of Ireland cannot be trusted.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:11 pm
by Longshanks
Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:38 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:23 pm Meanwhile, the UK plans on further breaking of International Law.
Mr Barnier told EU ambassadors this morning that if the proposed Finance Bill contained clauses which "breached international law" there would be a complete breakdown in trust between both sides.

He delivered the blunt warning near the end of a briefing of member states this morning on the state of play in the negotiations.

There have been reports that the UK Finance Bill, expected next week, would contain clauses which gave British ministers the powers to decide unilaterally on elements of the Northern Ireland Protocol, such as the potential imposition of tariffs on goods moving from Britain to Northern Ireland.


No, it removed powers for the EU to break up the UK internal market. It will be dropped as it was a simple warning shot regarding the future and interference from Brussels in the UK.
I'm afraid not
"Our position on the clauses remains unchanged," the spokesman told reporters. "We set out the rationale for why we needed the clauses in order to provide a legal safety net and to protect the integrity of the UK's internal market."

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:15 pm
by Bimbowomxn
Longshanks wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:11 pm
Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:38 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:23 pm Meanwhile, the UK plans on further breaking of International Law.



No, it removed powers for the EU to break up the UK internal market. It will be dropped as it was a simple warning shot regarding the future and interference from Brussels in the UK.
I'm afraid not
"Our position on the clauses remains unchanged," the spokesman told reporters. "We set out the rationale for why we needed the clauses in order to provide a legal safety net and to protect the integrity of the UK's internal market."


Silly. Unless it’s a dog and pony show which we “give” the clauses up for the EU “giving” something back.

Also irrelevant if there’s a no deal.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:23 pm
by Longshanks
Could be playing to Brexiteers, but considering what the EU have said about their position, this is suppose to end the talks.
Will either side see it through?

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:28 pm
by Bimbowomxn
Longshanks wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:23 pm Could be playing to Brexiteers, but considering what the EU have said about their position, this is suppose to end the talks.
Will either side see it through?


The interesting issue is the clauses (only come into action post enormous future bad faith by the EU) seem so important to the EU unless they’re planning an enormous bad faith action, or the UK which don’t have to put the clauses though now and could put them into law any time in the future is required .

Meh , dog and pony show.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:35 pm
by Longshanks
We'll see Bimbo
I think Boris wants a deal but knows he is going to struggle to sell it to his own party. Therefore no deal is looking the more likely every hour that passes

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:40 pm
by Bimbowomxn
Longshanks wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:35 pm We'll see Bimbo
I think Boris wants a deal but knows he is going to struggle to sell it to his own party. Therefore no deal is looking the more likely every hour that passes


Yep, I reckon they’ll be another extension. Put it this way the responses we are now getting on customs are cursory or “don’t worry till next Sept” rather than last years , “do this, do that, prepare this” so I don’t think it’s a serious risk or they’re genuinely going to have no restrictions on EU imports unilaterally (breaks WTO rules).

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:33 pm
by Rinkals
Anyone who fails to recognise that circumstances have changed significantly in the last nine months or so is deluded.

Still. Brexit means Brexit, I guess. :|

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:29 am
by Longshanks
This is good news
Live animal exports to be banned in England and Wales
Sending live animals abroad for slaughter will be banned in England and Wales under new government plans.

Environment Secretary George Eustice said the ban could be in force by the end of 2021 in a post-Brexit break from EU trade rules.

The RSPCA welcomed the move, saying it would be "a landmark achievement for animal welfare".
So much for the UK having lower standards......

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:02 am
by Longshanks
UK "warned" that deal must be reached by Friday.......

It's not going to happen is it?

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:44 am
by Yeeb
Longshanks wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:02 am UK "warned" that deal must be reached by Friday.......

It's not going to happen is it?
Yes, the UK responds favourably to warnings ....

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:51 am
by Biffer
Longshanks wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:29 am This is good news
Live animal exports to be banned in England and Wales
Sending live animals abroad for slaughter will be banned in England and Wales under new government plans.

Environment Secretary George Eustice said the ban could be in force by the end of 2021 in a post-Brexit break from EU trade rules.

The RSPCA welcomed the move, saying it would be "a landmark achievement for animal welfare".
So much for the UK having lower standards......
What about importing them

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:03 pm
by Longshanks
Biffer wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:51 am
Longshanks wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:29 am This is good news
Live animal exports to be banned in England and Wales
Sending live animals abroad for slaughter will be banned in England and Wales under new government plans.

Environment Secretary George Eustice said the ban could be in force by the end of 2021 in a post-Brexit break from EU trade rules.

The RSPCA welcomed the move, saying it would be "a landmark achievement for animal welfare".
So much for the UK having lower standards......
What about importing them
Who knows
The EU should ban the practice too, as should the whole world.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:08 pm
by Biffer
Longshanks wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:03 pm
Biffer wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:51 am
Longshanks wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:29 am This is good news





So much for the UK having lower standards......
What about importing them
Who knows
The EU should ban the practice too, as should the whole world.
Just seems if we don't do both, we're happy for our own people to eat animals who have been put through the transport to be killed, but not for Europeans etc to do it. Would be a bit of an odd stance.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:13 pm
by Longshanks
Biffer wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:08 pm
Longshanks wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:03 pm
Biffer wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:51 am

What about importing them
Who knows
The EU should ban the practice too, as should the whole world.
Just seems if we don't do both, we're happy for our own people to eat animals who have been put through the transport to be killed, but not for Europeans etc to do it. Would be a bit of an odd stance.
I'm not arguing with that. But it's like stopping people smoking, you have to start somewhere, even if there are inconsistencies in the approach.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:54 pm
by Insane_Homer
North Fucking Macedonia :lol:

Harah!!! We're saved

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:30 pm
by Northern Lights
I think a deal might be imminent, journalists are circling.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:34 pm
by Longshanks
Or is no deal...

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:41 pm
by Northern Lights
Longshanks wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:34 pm Or is no deal...
Vibe very much that there’s a deal.

Could of course yet collapse but sounding more positive

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:09 pm
by Longshanks
Northern Lights wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:41 pm
Longshanks wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:34 pm Or is no deal...
Vibe very much that there’s a deal.

Could of course yet collapse but sounding more positive
Beeb suggesting it's looking unlikely a deal will be made.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:17 pm
by Northern Lights
Longshanks wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:09 pm
Northern Lights wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:41 pm
Longshanks wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:34 pm Or is no deal...
Vibe very much that there’s a deal.

Could of course yet collapse but sounding more positive
Beeb suggesting it's looking unlikely a deal will be made.
Multiple other inquiries suggest otherwise, the beeb are hedging their bets as they are scouting too. Likely announcement early next week.

Expect lots of empty rhetoric in the meantime.

It’s likely to be a pretty flimsy deal as well.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:08 pm
by tabascoboy
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Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:22 pm
by Hal Jordan
I reckon Johnson will be desperate to get a deal so he can quit having been the PM who "delivered Brexit and beat Covid".

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:16 pm
by fishfoodie
Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:22 pm I reckon Johnson will be desperate to get a deal so he can quit having been the PM who "delivered Brexit and beat Covid".
Fishing was always a bullshit obstacle; the real issues are the Level Playing Field, & Governance, i.e. will the UK agree to the judgement from an EU Court.

I can't see the bumblecunts Leadership surviving a concession on either of those; particularly the latter, & we all know that his survival is the only thing that matters.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:17 pm
by JM2K6




Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:25 pm
by Bimbowomxn
fishfoodie wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:16 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:22 pm I reckon Johnson will be desperate to get a deal so he can quit having been the PM who "delivered Brexit and beat Covid".
Fishing was always a bullshit obstacle; the real issues are the Level Playing Field, & Governance, i.e. will the UK agree to the judgement from an EU Court.

I can't see the bumblecunts Leadership surviving a concession on either of those; particularly the latter, & we all know that his survival is the only thing that matters.


You say the bit about an EU court ruling over the Uk in the future as if that’s totally reasonable.... it isn’t it’s not part of any trade agreement anywhere in the world. It cannot be signed as it would tie a future parliaments hands literally.

No leader could / should survive that.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:41 pm
by Paddington Bear
fishfoodie wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:16 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:22 pm I reckon Johnson will be desperate to get a deal so he can quit having been the PM who "delivered Brexit and beat Covid".
Fishing was always a bullshit obstacle; the real issues are the Level Playing Field, & Governance, i.e. will the UK agree to the judgement from an EU Court.

I can't see the bumblecunts Leadership surviving a concession on either of those; particularly the latter, & we all know that his survival is the only thing that matters.
EU Court judgement is a genuine sticking point, and not an unreasonable one.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:47 pm
by Longshanks
Bimbowomxn wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:25 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:16 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:22 pm I reckon Johnson will be desperate to get a deal so he can quit having been the PM who "delivered Brexit and beat Covid".
Fishing was always a bullshit obstacle; the real issues are the Level Playing Field, & Governance, i.e. will the UK agree to the judgement from an EU Court.

I can't see the bumblecunts Leadership surviving a concession on either of those; particularly the latter, & we all know that his survival is the only thing that matters.


You say the bit about an EU court ruling over the Uk in the future as if that’s totally reasonable.... it isn’t it’s not part of any trade agreement anywhere in the world. It cannot be signed as it would tie a future parliaments hands literally.

No leader could / should survive that.
It looks like the EU have dropped the demand that ECJ is involved in disputes. Redress through the UK courts for EU

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:53 pm
by Longshanks
Also not far from resolving state aid. Independent agency in UK for that.

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:05 pm
by Longshanks
All about fish now......

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:06 pm
by tabascoboy
Longshanks wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:05 pm All about fish now......
Things must be getting tench

I'll get me coat

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:09 pm
by Longshanks
tabascoboy wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:06 pm
Longshanks wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:05 pm All about fish now......
Things must be getting tench

I'll get me coat
Don't worry
It's salmon else's fault

Re: The Brexit Thread

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:22 pm
by westport
Longshanks wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:05 pm All about fish now......
The French wanted to ignore the 12-mile limit so that they could continue to fish within 6 miles of our shoreline.