There's an article in the WSJ about Musk and his breeding legion, him approaching women on twitter to father his kids, paying them and housing them in a compound in Texas. It's, well, it's, wow.
Re: Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:43 pm
by PornDog
Biffer wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:51 pm
There's an article in the WSJ about Musk and his breeding legion, him approaching women on twitter to father his kids, paying them and housing them in a compound in Texas. It's, well, it's, wow.
Well you know the way the analysts in Space Karens pockets have been saying how the plummeting sales were down to the changeover to the new Model-Y (the best selling model), well if this review is reflective of the new model, I don't see any great turn around any time soon.
Tesla Model Y (2025) review: an exercise in irritation
Tesla’s dealing with some bad PR right now. Its CEO is parading around on the political stage with the one of the world’s most powerful (and most unhinged) leaders, chucking Nazi salutes about like sweets and carving huge chunks out the US government’s workforce. He’s not exactly focused on cars. And it shows.
This facelifted Model Y demonstrates the extent of the problem. Tesla reckons it’s better to drive, more user-friendly, more comfortable and more efficient than before. But, having spent a day with the car, I’m not at all convinced. Like most of Tesla’s products, this updated Model Y’s seems to be founded on hype it can’t live up to.
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The ride’s appalling, too. We complained at length about the old Model Y’s ride and, for this facelifted car, Tesla’s made it worse. It now has softer springs, but the damping doesn’t feel like it’s been adjusted to suit. That means it’s floaty until you hit a bump, at which point it immediately becomes uncomfortable as the granite dampers can’t compress quickly enough to absorb the impact. It’s irritatingly unsettled around town.
This change has influenced the handling, too. The old Model Y wasn’t too bad in corners – the cast iron chassis setup meant it controlled its two-tonne heft quite well. But this new car rolls around a lot more which is rather unnerving, especially when you consider how sterile the steering is.
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Before you buy
Don’t. Tesla’s technology might still be at the cutting edge, but all the Model Y’s rivals – such as the BMW iX2, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, Skoda Enyaq Coupe and Polestar 2 – are better cars. Tesla’s become so focused on producing a dazzling show stand for the Consumer Electronics Show that it’s forgot its primary purpose is to build vehicles.
The Model Y’s ergonomics are seriously compromised by the touchscreen, while its ride and handling can’t stand up to any of its competitors. Even in standard guise, the Kia EV6 is far more composed and much more playful – and if you lined a Model Y AWD up alongside an Ioniq 5 N, the Korean Korner Killer would chew the Tesla up and spit its fancy battery technology all over the tarmac. It’s no competition for me.
Biffer wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:51 pm
There's an article in the WSJ about Musk and his breeding legion, him approaching women on twitter to father his kids, paying them and housing them in a compound in Texas. It's, well, it's, wow.
Biffer wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:51 pm
There's an article in the WSJ about Musk and his breeding legion, him approaching women on twitter to father his kids, paying them and housing them in a compound in Texas. It's, well, it's, wow.
There is a follow up article in yesterday's Observer - it's her last column there
This bit near the end is becoming increasingly familiar
A Ted fellow, a next-gen rising star, told me that some of her cohort in the US on visas or green cards had cancelled their trips, worried that they might be detained at the border when returning home. A Canadian editor for the Globe and Mail told me they were now sending reporters to the US with burner phones and wiped laptops. A historian at a non-profit specialising in black history told me of cancelled grants.
fishfoodie wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:31 pm
Well you know the way the analysts in Space Karens pockets have been saying how the plummeting sales were down to the changeover to the new Model-Y (the best selling model), well if this review is reflective of the new model, I don't see any great turn around any time soon.
Tesla Model Y (2025) review: an exercise in irritation
Tesla’s dealing with some bad PR right now. Its CEO is parading around on the political stage with the one of the world’s most powerful (and most unhinged) leaders, chucking Nazi salutes about like sweets and carving huge chunks out the US government’s workforce. He’s not exactly focused on cars. And it shows.
This facelifted Model Y demonstrates the extent of the problem. Tesla reckons it’s better to drive, more user-friendly, more comfortable and more efficient than before. But, having spent a day with the car, I’m not at all convinced. Like most of Tesla’s products, this updated Model Y’s seems to be founded on hype it can’t live up to.
...
The ride’s appalling, too. We complained at length about the old Model Y’s ride and, for this facelifted car, Tesla’s made it worse. It now has softer springs, but the damping doesn’t feel like it’s been adjusted to suit. That means it’s floaty until you hit a bump, at which point it immediately becomes uncomfortable as the granite dampers can’t compress quickly enough to absorb the impact. It’s irritatingly unsettled around town.
This change has influenced the handling, too. The old Model Y wasn’t too bad in corners – the cast iron chassis setup meant it controlled its two-tonne heft quite well. But this new car rolls around a lot more which is rather unnerving, especially when you consider how sterile the steering is.
...
Before you buy
Don’t. Tesla’s technology might still be at the cutting edge, but all the Model Y’s rivals – such as the BMW iX2, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, Skoda Enyaq Coupe and Polestar 2 – are better cars. Tesla’s become so focused on producing a dazzling show stand for the Consumer Electronics Show that it’s forgot its primary purpose is to build vehicles.
The Model Y’s ergonomics are seriously compromised by the touchscreen, while its ride and handling can’t stand up to any of its competitors. Even in standard guise, the Kia EV6 is far more composed and much more playful – and if you lined a Model Y AWD up alongside an Ioniq 5 N, the Korean Korner Killer would chew the Tesla up and spit its fancy battery technology all over the tarmac. It’s no competition for me.
Probably the only decent reason for owning a Tesla is the Supercharger network. Always empty bays when the other networks have a queue of expensive Mercs and Porsche waiting for the few high speed chargers. Must hurt when you have spent 100k on a car and you are waiting behind a 10 year old Nissan Leaf.
Re: Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:56 pm
by Guy Smiley
shaggy wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:52 pm
Probably the only decent reason for owning a Tesla is the Supercharger network. Always empty bays when the other networks have a queue of expensive Mercs and Porsche waiting for the few high speed chargers. Must hurt when you have spent 100k on a car and you are waiting behind a 10 year old Nissan Leaf.
In NZ, the Tesla network is opening up to other brands and I know if I can be bothered loading the app there are several Supercharger sites within range I can use. I don't need that myself as we've got enough options to keep me running with no major hassles.
It's only a matter of time before simple business appeal removes the exclusivity and those superchargers will be available to the general public.
Re: Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:08 pm
by fishfoodie
shaggy wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:52 pm
Probably the only decent reason for owning a Tesla is the Supercharger network. Always empty bays when the other networks have a queue of expensive Mercs and Porsche waiting for the few high speed chargers. Must hurt when you have spent 100k on a car and you are waiting behind a 10 year old Nissan Leaf.
Which was the one part of the company with a stead growth, & run by an excellent Manager; who SK sacked when she refused to just fire 10% of her team, when SK demanded she did.
Now the Tango Traitor has cut all the subsidies for charger installations Tesla have cancelled loads of planned new chargers, so combined with the various power storage products being totally dependent on Chinese batteries, this one bring light on the balance sheet is about to get snuffed out !
The Q1 earnings call tomorrow will be wall to wall bluster & bullshit for non-existent products, & imaginary causes for the shit state of the company.
shaggy wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:52 pm
Probably the only decent reason for owning a Tesla is the Supercharger network. Always empty bays when the other networks have a queue of expensive Mercs and Porsche waiting for the few high speed chargers. Must hurt when you have spent 100k on a car and you are waiting behind a 10 year old Nissan Leaf.
Which was the one part of the company with a stead growth, & run by an excellent Manager; who SK sacked when she refused to just fire 10% of her team, when SK demanded she did.
Now the Tango Traitor has cut all the subsidies for charger installations Tesla have cancelled loads of planned new chargers, so combined with the various power storage products being totally dependent on Chinese batteries, this one bring light on the balance sheet is about to get snuffed out !
The Q1 earnings call tomorrow will be wall to wall bluster & bullshit for non-existent products, & imaginary causes for the shit state of the company.
All of which is irrelevant when you know you have a far higher probability of a hassle free charge, which is the single biggest annoyance of owning an EV.
Re: Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 6:02 am
by Guy Smiley
I doubt that. The majority of EVs sold so far would probably be Teslas although that percentage will shift rapidly now... so there's probably more demand for the Supercharger network numbers wise.
Have you driven an EV Shaggy? Do you own one or report from a long term use base, or are you commenting based on anecdotes or feel?
Re: Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:06 am
by shaggy
Guy Smiley wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 6:02 am
I doubt that. The majority of EVs sold so far would probably be Teslas although that percentage will shift rapidly now... so there's probably more demand for the Supercharger network numbers wise.
Have you driven an EV Shaggy? Do you own one or report from a long term use base, or are you commenting based on anecdotes or feel?
On my third in 7 years.
Re: Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:54 pm
by shaggy
Following up on the above I would say in the last 12 months my use of supercharge network, which is weekly, I would say typically no more than a dozen Tesla for 20+ non-Tesla. There has been a massive influx of Tesla in the last 12 months, especially in London due to ULEZ, but they are still lower in overall number at service station charge areas.
Re: Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:47 pm
by Guy Smiley
We're running slightly off topic but meh, worthy chat...
is the public charging network in the UK growing at a decent rate? Our rollout has slowed a bit due to a change in govt and a relatively hostile attitude to EVs generally. (We have coalition partners echoing MAGA themes and using the word 'woke' at every opportunity).
Re: Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 6:59 pm
by shaggy
Guy Smiley wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:47 pm
We're running slightly off topic but meh, worthy chat...
is the public charging network in the UK growing at a decent rate? Our rollout has slowed a bit due to a change in govt and a relatively hostile attitude to EVs generally. (We have coalition partners echoing MAGA themes and using the word 'woke' at every opportunity).
I would say it is patchy, but it could vary nationally. Motorway service stations in southern England are still growing, as are smaller players in car parks, etc, but I am not sure the growth is meeting demand, hence my comment on queues at non-Tesla supercharge suppliers and not at Tesla.
We have a massive amount of on street chargers (from lampposts) but they are seldom used. I would say the gap is in fast chargers still.
Re: Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:52 pm
by Guy Smiley
Ask your AI platform to roast Elon Musk…
Re: Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 10:34 pm
by Uncle fester
Guy Smiley wrote: Thu May 01, 2025 8:52 pm
Ask your AI platform to roast Elon Musk…
Maybe AI does have a future after all.
Re: Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 9:05 am
by robmatic
Free speech defender Elon Musk's Twitter platform has now blocked the account of Erdoğan's main political rival in Turkey. Spineless prick.
Re: Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Posted: Sun May 11, 2025 5:57 am
by Guy Smiley
Re: Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Posted: Sun May 11, 2025 11:53 am
by fishfoodie
Assembly line workers on Model-Y & cyberurinal told to take the week off, & others being disciplined for logging OT, & reports of massive overstocking of the cyberurinals, so what does Tesla stock do ? .... yep it went up, because it's investors are morons !
I can't wait to see the ecstatic reaction to a dozen heavily modded Y's, on a geo-fenced circuit, with remote drivers to stop FSD killing the occupants, rolling around Austin pretending to be taxis.
Strange that it's a topic of much interest to the owner of xitter.
Re: Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Posted: Mon May 19, 2025 1:00 pm
by Hal Jordan
This probably goes here.
Tesla sold a brand-new 2024 Cybertruck AWD Foundation Series for $100,000. Now, with only 6,000 miles on the odometer, Tesla is offering $65,400 for it – 34.6% depreciation in just a year.
Pickup trucks generally lose about 20% of their value after a year and 34% after about 3-4 years.
It’s also wroth nothing that Tesla’s online “trade-in estimates” are often higher than the final offer as noted in the footnote o fhte screenshot above.
Elon Musk said Tesla's robotaxis will be limited to certain parts of Austin and avoid intersections the company deems unsafe after the CEO was asked on TV about Business Insider's reporting on a critical error made by Tesla's Full Self-Driving Supervised software.
In a May 17 story, two BI reporters took rides in a Waymo and a 2024 Tesla Model 3 equipped with the latest FSD software to compare both companies' autonomous driving technologies. Toward the end of the test, Tesla's FSD ran a red light at a complex intersection in San Francisco.
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In the CNBC interview, Musk didn't address specific details in BI's reporting. However, he said Tesla's robotaxis will be geo-fenced to certain parts of Austin.
Alphabet's Waymo also uses geo-fencing to limit its autonomous cars to certain parts of a given city, including, for the moment, highways.
"When we deploy the cars in Austin, we are actually going to deploy it not to the entire Austin region but only to the parts of Austin we consider to be the safest," Musk said on CNBC. "So we will geo-fence it."
He added: "It's not going to take intersections unless we are highly confident it's going to do well with that intersection. Or it will just take a route around that intersection."
Imagine getting into a Taxi & discovering once you get in & tell the driver the destination, that they only know how to do right hand turns, & can't deal with four-way stop signs, or drive on the Highway, so your journey will take you miles out of your way, & will take much longer than you expected ??
It's no wonder they're only going to run a dozen cars, with teleoperators & only hand picked riders.
Re: Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 5:41 pm
by Hal Jordan
Average dodgy late night "minicab" experience, I'd say.
Elon Musk said Tesla's robotaxis will be limited to certain parts of Austin and avoid intersections the company deems unsafe after the CEO was asked on TV about Business Insider's reporting on a critical error made by Tesla's Full Self-Driving Supervised software.
In a May 17 story, two BI reporters took rides in a Waymo and a 2024 Tesla Model 3 equipped with the latest FSD software to compare both companies' autonomous driving technologies. Toward the end of the test, Tesla's FSD ran a red light at a complex intersection in San Francisco.
...
In the CNBC interview, Musk didn't address specific details in BI's reporting. However, he said Tesla's robotaxis will be geo-fenced to certain parts of Austin.
Alphabet's Waymo also uses geo-fencing to limit its autonomous cars to certain parts of a given city, including, for the moment, highways.
"When we deploy the cars in Austin, we are actually going to deploy it not to the entire Austin region but only to the parts of Austin we consider to be the safest," Musk said on CNBC. "So we will geo-fence it."
He added: "It's not going to take intersections unless we are highly confident it's going to do well with that intersection. Or it will just take a route around that intersection."
Imagine getting into a Taxi & discovering once you get in & tell the driver the destination, that they only know how to do right hand turns, & can't deal with four-way stop signs, or drive on the Highway, so your journey will take you miles out of your way, & will take much longer than you expected ??
It's no wonder they're only going to run a dozen cars, with teleoperators & only hand picked riders.
We missed a trick a long time ago not going for a mini rail type system. No more hassle with traffic lights, etc.
Elon Musk said Tesla's robotaxis will be limited to certain parts of Austin and avoid intersections the company deems unsafe after the CEO was asked on TV about Business Insider's reporting on a critical error made by Tesla's Full Self-Driving Supervised software.
In a May 17 story, two BI reporters took rides in a Waymo and a 2024 Tesla Model 3 equipped with the latest FSD software to compare both companies' autonomous driving technologies. Toward the end of the test, Tesla's FSD ran a red light at a complex intersection in San Francisco.
...
In the CNBC interview, Musk didn't address specific details in BI's reporting. However, he said Tesla's robotaxis will be geo-fenced to certain parts of Austin.
Alphabet's Waymo also uses geo-fencing to limit its autonomous cars to certain parts of a given city, including, for the moment, highways.
"When we deploy the cars in Austin, we are actually going to deploy it not to the entire Austin region but only to the parts of Austin we consider to be the safest," Musk said on CNBC. "So we will geo-fence it."
He added: "It's not going to take intersections unless we are highly confident it's going to do well with that intersection. Or it will just take a route around that intersection."
Imagine getting into a Taxi & discovering once you get in & tell the driver the destination, that they only know how to do right hand turns, & can't deal with four-way stop signs, or drive on the Highway, so your journey will take you miles out of your way, & will take much longer than you expected ??
It's no wonder they're only going to run a dozen cars, with teleoperators & only hand picked riders.
We missed a trick a long time ago not going for a mini rail type system. No more hassle with traffic lights, etc.
Well not, "Us" exactly, but a couple of decades ago I thought that the best plan for automotive automation was for the US to lay an automation 3rd rail at the center of the existing "Car Pool" lanes, so that any compatible car could ride in that lane in automated mode.
My idea was that if you had a lane that could detect the position of every car in it, then you could run cars nose to tail, & send signals to them to have them run faster than the manual lanes, so everyone would look at them moving 2/3x faster than they were, because they were running safely with 50cm separation. It would be like railway cars running in a train, but would actually be individual cars running in an automated mode, controlled by the road, not the car, so this would allow that centrally controlling road to make the decision to drop the lanes speed down by 10% based on conditions, not the asshole in the car, or the nazi in the car manufacturer
Imagine getting into a Taxi & discovering once you get in & tell the driver the destination, that they only know how to do right hand turns, & can't deal with four-way stop signs, or drive on the Highway, so your journey will take you miles out of your way, & will take much longer than you expected ??
It's no wonder they're only going to run a dozen cars, with teleoperators & only hand picked riders.
We missed a trick a long time ago not going for a mini rail type system. No more hassle with traffic lights, etc.
Well not, "Us" exactly, but a couple of decades ago I thought that the best plan for automotive automation was for the US to lay an automation 3rd rail at the center of the existing "Car Pool" lanes, so that any compatible car could ride in that lane in automated mode.
My idea was that if you had a lane that could detect the position of every car in it, then you could run cars nose to tail, & send signals to them to have them run faster than the manual lanes, so everyone would look at them moving 2/3x faster than they were, because they were running safely with 50cm separation. It would be like railway cars running in a train, but would actually be individual cars running in an automated mode, controlled by the road, not the car, so this would allow that centrally controlling road to make the decision to drop the lanes speed down by 10% based on conditions, not the asshole in the car, or the nazi in the car manufacturer
And the "driver" could read a book, play on their phone or just otherwise tune out. (Realistically they'd be doing work)
