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Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 9:07 pm
by tc27
Sandstorm wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 7:55 pm Boris can’t commit to border closures, no matter how much good advice and advance notice he gets. Idiot.
If we loose the summer to another lockdown because of the pig headed refusual to stop travel from India then this government is going to be in deep shit.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 9:07 pm
by Saint
Fangle wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 8:28 pm
Biffer wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 4:08 pm
dpedin wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 2:55 pm 7 day case rates in age categories up to 45 year olds in Scotland going up - minimal increases in 45-64 age category and above. Looks like combination of easing lock down and new variants having an impact in Scotland but looks like those vaccinated ie over 50s are not catching the virus which looks good. Hospitalisations and deaths also continue to trend downwards. Some of the smaller boards have closed down covid beds and ICU beds completely. However increase in cases in under 45s shows the virus is still spreading amongst those not vaccinated and the impact of long covid in those still susceptible still a big worry. Also an obvious worry about the new Indian variant which appears to be anything up to 50% more transmissible than current Kent variant. Things looking positive but we need to keep the head and see this thing out. Hopefully we should see this under control by mid summer as vaccination programme makes progress but there are worries about exposure to flu, particularly for kids, emerging over the winter.It would be sensible to keep/reintroduce masks and social distancing in autumn and winter and perhaps combine the booster covid jab and flu jab too?
Only 3 covid cases in ICU in Scotland.
My daughter in Scotland sent me a graph showing the numbers of vaccinated. Tremendous percentages amongst the oldies with numbers of age groups with 100% first vaccine and very high second doses.
Of the over 18 population (i.e those that are currently approved for any vaccine of any sort). 69% have their first dose. 37.4% have their second dose. The first dose tracks almost exactly with the % of population who have been invited to have a jab. 2nd dose is harder to track vs population as the timing varies a bit, but however it works out the vax levels in the UK will end up at 95%+. This is the one part of the government response which is genuinely world class; it's clear that we have capability of delivering at least 25% more vaccine if we had supply, and for all the antivax BS out there we appear to be relatively immune through natural immunity

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 9:19 pm
by Biffer
Saint wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 9:07 pm
Fangle wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 8:28 pm
Biffer wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 4:08 pm

Only 3 covid cases in ICU in Scotland.
My daughter in Scotland sent me a graph showing the numbers of vaccinated. Tremendous percentages amongst the oldies with numbers of age groups with 100% first vaccine and very high second doses.
Of the over 18 population (i.e those that are currently approved for any vaccine of any sort). 69% have their first dose. 37.4% have their second dose. The first dose tracks almost exactly with the % of population who have been invited to have a jab. 2nd dose is harder to track vs population as the timing varies a bit, but however it works out the vax levels in the UK will end up at 95%+. This is the one part of the government response which is genuinely world class; it's clear that we have capability of delivering at least 25% more vaccine if we had supply, and for all the antivax BS out there we appear to be relatively immune through natural immunity
Figures in Scotland are pretty much 100% of over 65s had their second dose.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 9:23 pm
by Saint
Biffer wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 9:19 pm
Saint wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 9:07 pm
Fangle wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 8:28 pm

My daughter in Scotland sent me a graph showing the numbers of vaccinated. Tremendous percentages amongst the oldies with numbers of age groups with 100% first vaccine and very high second doses.
Of the over 18 population (i.e those that are currently approved for any vaccine of any sort). 69% have their first dose. 37.4% have their second dose. The first dose tracks almost exactly with the % of population who have been invited to have a jab. 2nd dose is harder to track vs population as the timing varies a bit, but however it works out the vax levels in the UK will end up at 95%+. This is the one part of the government response which is genuinely world class; it's clear that we have capability of delivering at least 25% more vaccine if we had supply, and for all the antivax BS out there we appear to be relatively immune through natural immunity
Figures in Scotland are pretty much 100% of over 65s had their second dose.
I could easily believe that's true of all countries. I'm just quoting the easy to read gross numbers from the UK dashboard.

By October we'll be exporting virtually everything manufactured in the UK and it won't be making a blind bit of difference WRT scale by that point - we'll be a decimal point of a decimal point

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 7:44 am
by Slick
Had the unfortunate experience of getting caught in an anti-vax March in Edinburgh yesterday. I can honestly say I’ve never seen such a Neanderthal looking bunch of misfits in my life (to be fair it got a bit better towards the back of the pack). Total arseholes, mostly seemingly pissed up, trying to intimidate folk as they walked past.

Shout out to the police who were doing a decent job, particularly the one who literally jumped out in front of a car to stop traffic so we could get the kids across to the other side.

One mildly amusing bit of it was cars going past and seeing all the Saltires at the front and beeping their horns in support thinking it was an independence march, only to then read the placards and start squirming uncomfortably in their seats

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 8:19 am
by Rinkals
Marylandolorian wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 3:16 pm Question for the UK guys, do you still have the masks mandate ?

We are easing up even tho only 50% of the pop has been vax, masks mandatory in planes, public transportation, hospitals, some stores, in my state positive rate is around 2% and going down.
I was checking in on the BBC news this morning and they were covering a football game that took place yesterday. Thousands congregating on Wembley with nary a mask to be seen.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 8:20 am
by Sandstorm
Slick wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:44 am Had the unfortunate experience of getting caught in an anti-vax March in Edinburgh yesterday. I can honestly say I’ve never seen such a Neanderthal looking bunch of misfits in my life (to be fair it got a bit better towards the back of the pack). Total arseholes, mostly seemingly pissed up, trying to intimidate folk as they walked past.

Shout out to the police who were doing a decent job, particularly the one who literally jumped out in front of a car to stop traffic so we could get the kids across to the other side.

One mildly amusing bit of it was cars going past and seeing all the Saltires at the front and beeping their horns in support thinking it was an independence march, only to then read the placards and start squirming uncomfortably in their seats
Every 2nd Sunday about 20 rag-tag anti-vaxers walk the High Street with “Freedom!” placards. The terrible oppression of West Berkshire..... :sad:

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 8:22 am
by tabascoboy
tc27 wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 9:07 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 7:55 pm Boris can’t commit to border closures, no matter how much good advice and advance notice he gets. Idiot.
If we loose the summer to another lockdown because of the pig headed refusual to stop travel from India then this government is going to be in deep shit.
Today's arrivals from India, are the travellers going to be quarantined?

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I see #JohnsonVariant is trending

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 8:26 am
by Dogbert





No doubt they will blame Sturgeon if Covid spikes in the next couple of weeks

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 8:27 am
by Sandstorm
tabascoboy wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 8:22 am
tc27 wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 9:07 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 7:55 pm Boris can’t commit to border closures, no matter how much good advice and advance notice he gets. Idiot.
If we loose the summer to another lockdown because of the pig headed refusual to stop travel from India then this government is going to be in deep shit.
Today's arrivals from India, are the travellers going to be quarantined?

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Here to get their jabs.

A report from Aus says that a plane that arrived yesterday from Delhi was only half full. The other half tested positive at the airport and were booted off.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 8:56 am
by Saint
tabascoboy wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 8:22 am
tc27 wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 9:07 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 7:55 pm Boris can’t commit to border closures, no matter how much good advice and advance notice he gets. Idiot.
If we loose the summer to another lockdown because of the pig headed refusual to stop travel from India then this government is going to be in deep shit.
Today's arrivals from India, are the travellers going to be quarantined?

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I see #JohnsonVariant is trending
India is red listed, so Hotel quarantine for all of them

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 8:49 am
by SaintK
Growing opposition to going ahead with the Olympics in Japan.
More than 80% of Japanese oppose hosting the Olympics this year, a new poll published on Monday showed, with just under 10 weeks until the Tokyo Games.
The latest survey comes after Japan expanded a coronavirus state of emergency Friday as the nation battles a fourth wave of virus infections.
The surge has put pressure on the country’s healthcare system, with medical professionals repeatedly warning about shortages and burnout.
The weekend survey by the Asahi Shimbun daily found 43% of respondents want the Games cancelled, and 40% want a further postponement.
Those figures are up from 35% who backed cancellation in a survey by the paper a month ago, and 34% who wanted a further delay.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021 ... ames-poll

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 10:29 am
by BnM
Good news for Sanofi and GSK this time.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 10:33 am
by Saint
BnM wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 10:29 am Good news for Sanofi and GSK this time.
Doubly so in that this uses a manufacturing technology not currently in use for Covid vaccine - so should help scale global supply if it gets approval

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 12:12 pm
by Paddington Bear
SaintK wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 8:49 am Growing opposition to going ahead with the Olympics in Japan.
More than 80% of Japanese oppose hosting the Olympics this year, a new poll published on Monday showed, with just under 10 weeks until the Tokyo Games.
The latest survey comes after Japan expanded a coronavirus state of emergency Friday as the nation battles a fourth wave of virus infections.
The surge has put pressure on the country’s healthcare system, with medical professionals repeatedly warning about shortages and burnout.
The weekend survey by the Asahi Shimbun daily found 43% of respondents want the Games cancelled, and 40% want a further postponement.
Those figures are up from 35% who backed cancellation in a survey by the paper a month ago, and 34% who wanted a further delay.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021 ... ames-poll
Can't see how the Olympics wouldn't be a covid hotspot.
Tbh I'm really not bothered - so many Olympic sports are budget and the timezone will be rubbish.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 1:32 pm
by Saint
The Covid proof section of the NHS App is evolving rather rapidly. This morning it was just a record of your jab - there's now an option to generate a QR code to share with someone else (presumably immigration). You can start to see how this could link into ESTA/ETA/ETIAS relatively easily

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 2:19 pm
by BnM
I'm currently on a training course about covid passport.

I set up my NHS a few weeks ago. Getting full identity check and then authorisation to get all the info on the app can take a few days. So no one should leave it to last minute. Both my Jabs are on the app.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 2:21 pm
by Paddington Bear
People really aren't bothered about checking in on the app I've found - I'll do it if prompted and have only done it a couple of times since things opened up.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 2:28 pm
by Saint
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:21 pm People really aren't bothered about checking in on the app I've found - I'll do it if prompted and have only done it a couple of times since things opened up.
The NHS App (for your proof of vaccine) is different from the NHS Covid tracker. Very much worthwhile getting it sorted now, rather than at some point in future when evryone suddenly wants to get it sorted. There's a stage that requires you to authorise your GP surgery to release their records to the app, and if they haven't got an automated system in place then it could take some time.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 3:42 pm
by SaintK
Saint wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:28 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:21 pm People really aren't bothered about checking in on the app I've found - I'll do it if prompted and have only done it a couple of times since things opened up.
The NHS App (for your proof of vaccine) is different from the NHS Covid tracker. Very much worthwhile getting it sorted now, rather than at some point in future when evryone suddenly wants to get it sorted. There's a stage that requires you to authorise your GP surgery to release their records to the app, and if they haven't got an automated system in place then it could take some time.
Just done it. Very simple

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 3:50 pm
by tabascoboy
I don't suppose the app runs on a 10+ year old basic cellphone...

Guess I have to get paper versions if there still is such a thing.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 3:55 pm
by Saint
tabascoboy wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 3:50 pm I don't suppose the app runs on a 10+ year old basic cellphone...

Guess I have to get paper versions if there still is such a thing.
You can get a paper certificate by calling 119 once you've had your second dose. You need to allow 5 days after the second dose before requesting, and up to 7 days for them to prove your identity and issue the certificate

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 3:56 pm
by tabascoboy
Saint wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 3:55 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 3:50 pm I don't suppose the app runs on a 10+ year old basic cellphone...

Guess I have to get paper versions if there still is such a thing.
You can get a paper certificate by calling 119 once you've had your second dose. You need to allow 5 days after the second dose before requesting, and up to 7 days for them to prove your identity and issue the certificate
Thanks! Just under 3 weeks to go until my 2nd jab.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 4:05 pm
by Sandstorm
BnM wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:19 pm I'm currently on a training course about covid passport.

I set up my NHS a few weeks ago. Getting full identity check and then authorisation to get all the info on the app can take a few days. So no one should leave it to last minute. Both my Jabs are on the app.
Good to know, thanks

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 5:27 pm
by Dinsdale Piranha
SaintK wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 3:42 pm
Saint wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:28 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:21 pm People really aren't bothered about checking in on the app I've found - I'll do it if prompted and have only done it a couple of times since things opened up.
The NHS App (for your proof of vaccine) is different from the NHS Covid tracker. Very much worthwhile getting it sorted now, rather than at some point in future when evryone suddenly wants to get it sorted. There's a stage that requires you to authorise your GP surgery to release their records to the app, and if they haven't got an automated system in place then it could take some time.
Just done it. Very simple
Thanks, I wasn't aware of this app.

Just registered. Took under 5 minutes.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 5:49 pm
by Biffer

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 7:25 pm
by Sandstorm
Seems if you’re a “sick note” and already have Patient Access or similar through NHS, you register in 5 mins. Like my wife.

If you are awesomely healthy/dodgy like me, then you have to prove your ID (passport/drivers license) upload a picture and go through a photo ID check which takes up to 7 days. Cnuts.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 7:40 pm
by Saint
Sandstorm wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:25 pm Seems if you’re a “sick note” and already have Patient Access or similar through NHS, you register in 5 mins. Like my wife.

If you are awesomely healthy/dodgy like me, then you have to prove your ID (passport/drivers license) upload a picture and go through a photo ID check which takes up to 7 days. Cnuts.
I don't recall ever doing anything like that at all previously - and yet I sailed through in 5 minutes. I never registered for online for my GP, never touched this app or anything general NHS before, and the only NHS app I've ever downloaded was the Covid test & trace. That's not to say that the government don't have an enormous digital record of me, primarily through DVLA, HMRC, and the Passport Office, but as far as I can see there's absolutely no crossover

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 7:41 pm
by Sandstorm
Saint wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:40 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:25 pm Seems if you’re a “sick note” and already have Patient Access or similar through NHS, you register in 5 mins. Like my wife.

If you are awesomely healthy/dodgy like me, then you have to prove your ID (passport/drivers license) upload a picture and go through a photo ID check which takes up to 7 days. Cnuts.
I don't recall ever doing anything like that at all previously - and yet I sailed through in 5 minutes. I never registered for online for my GP, never touched this app or anything general NHS before, and the only NHS app I've ever downloaded was the Covid test & trace. That's not to say that the government don't have an enormous digital record of me, primarily through DVLA, HMRC, and the Passport Office, but as far as I can see there's absolutely no crossover
So you’re saying I’m scum?

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 7:42 pm
by Saint
Sandstorm wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:41 pm
Saint wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:40 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:25 pm Seems if you’re a “sick note” and already have Patient Access or similar through NHS, you register in 5 mins. Like my wife.

If you are awesomely healthy/dodgy like me, then you have to prove your ID (passport/drivers license) upload a picture and go through a photo ID check which takes up to 7 days. Cnuts.
I don't recall ever doing anything like that at all previously - and yet I sailed through in 5 minutes. I never registered for online for my GP, never touched this app or anything general NHS before, and the only NHS app I've ever downloaded was the Covid test & trace. That's not to say that the government don't have an enormous digital record of me, primarily through DVLA, HMRC, and the Passport Office, but as far as I can see there's absolutely no crossover
So you’re saying I’m scum?
I think that's what you're saying.....

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 7:44 pm
by Sandstorm
I knew it. :sad:

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 7:51 pm
by SaintK
Sandstorm wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:25 pm Seems if you’re a “sick note” and already have Patient Access or similar through NHS, you register in 5 mins. Like my wife.

If you are awesomely healthy/dodgy like me, then you have to prove your ID (passport/drivers license) upload a picture and go through a photo ID check which takes up to 7 days. Cnuts.
I’d the ID upload including sending a photograph of myself. All sorted in 10 minutes. Got full access almost immediately

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 7:54 pm
by Marylandolorian
SaintK wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:51 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:25 pm Seems if you’re a “sick note” and already have Patient Access or similar through NHS, you register in 5 mins. Like my wife.

If you are awesomely healthy/dodgy like me, then you have to prove your ID (passport/drivers license) upload a picture and go through a photo ID check which takes up to 7 days. Cnuts.
I’d the ID upload including sending a photograph of myself. All sorted in 10 minutes. Got full access almost immediately
Lol [ if you are a sick note ] Never heard that one before :thumbup: wife won’t appreciate btw.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 7:56 pm
by Saint
Sandstorm wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:44 pm I knew it. :sad:
:lol:

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 9:08 pm
by tc27
MiL's (in her early 60s) second dose bought forward to this week - wasn't due for about another month.

Chatted to a couple of School friends (late 30s) who have had theirs last week.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 9:14 pm
by BnM
It was only 9 weeks between my jabs.

Probably a bit too much info, but I realised today I had the speculated women's bleeding side effect, started a day later, just assumed it was the usual until the usual arrived 2 weeks later on the right date. I don't think that's been fully confirmed, at the mo it's a lot of anecdotal evidence.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 10:20 pm
by Saint
tc27 wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 9:08 pm MiL's (in her early 60s) second dose bought forward to this week - wasn't due for about another month.

Chatted to a couple of School friends (late 30s) who have had theirs last week.
It was already uneven across England anyway. The government statement if when someone was eligible for a 1st dose was effectively lowest common denominator. I had my 1st dose booked before the gic said I was eligible for a 1st dose, and I know people younger than me in a different regionh who were already 1st jabbed by then

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 10:21 pm
by Sandstorm
tc27 wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 9:08 pm MiL's (in her early 60s) second dose bought forward to this week - wasn't due for about another month.

Chatted to a couple of School friends (late 30s) who have had theirs last week.
Wife is having her second this weekend. 10 weeks gap instead of expected 12.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 5:26 am
by mat the expat
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:21 pm People really aren't bothered about checking in on the app I've found - I'll do it if prompted and have only done it a couple of times since things opened up.
Why wouldn't you?

Here in NSW, the take-up is massive - albeit followed up by fines for the company if they don't enforce.

For a few ales and food, it's a no brainer

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 5:39 am
by TheNatalShark
mat the expat wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 5:26 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:21 pm People really aren't bothered about checking in on the app I've found - I'll do it if prompted and have only done it a couple of times since things opened up.
Why wouldn't you?

Here in NSW, the take-up is massive - albeit followed up by fines for the company if they don't enforce.

For a few ales and food, it's a no brainer
Anecdotally it falls into 'personal documentation & interference' side of things which we're generally not very fond of in the UK, general laziness, relatively little promotion & no meaningful enforcement, and an element of "I don't want to be quarantined because of someone the other side of the establishment tested positive a week ago" attitude - and the levels of infection [not present mind] in UK mean much more likely than in Aus. I imagine if Aus citizens had to isolate eg once a month that usage would drop off.