Stop voting for fucking Tories

[SaintK]

So the Wicked Witch of Witham has come out of hiding and wants to to remain as Home Secretary

But Priti Patel, the current home secretary, wants to remain in her post, and in an interview with Sky’s Jason Farrell she has made her case to stay. Asked if she wanted to keep her job, she replied:
That’s the choice of the next leader. But the fact of the matter is this party was elected with a very clear manifesto commitment to beat crime, cut crime, but also deliver 20,000 more police officers. I think my record in that time speaks volumes.

Her record
No mention of her abject failure to stem the flow of immigrants which she vowed to do. According to reports her and Truss have never got along so she'll probably be demoted to Party Chairman where her dog whistle policies will be better received

[ia801310]

A kinder, gentler politics

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-626 ... CWalesNews

[ia801310]

Liverpool is a shining example of what happens when Labour are left in charge.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... l-24821446

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... e-62603295

[I like neeps]

Fundamentally unserious. Is anyone going to ask Truss how spending the money back from the tax cut on energy is going to grow the economy? There won't be any growth with energy costs how they are. Everyone is cutting back. Just admit to it and create a plan ffs.

[C69]

Liverpool is a shining example of what happens when Labour are left in charge.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... l-24821446

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... e-62603295

You do realise that this is not a left wing council, don't you?

[ia801310]

Liverpool is a shining example of what happens when Labour are left in charge.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... l-24821446

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... e-62603295

You do realise that this is not a left wing council, don't you?

?????

https://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/mg ... aspx?bcr=1

It is a Labour council.

I know that to you anybody to the right of Jeremy Corbyn is a fascist, to most people a Labour Council is a left wing council.

[SaintK]

Liverpool is a shining example of what happens when Labour are left in charge.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... l-24821446

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... e-62603295

You do realise that this is not a left wing council, don't you?

?????

https://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/mg ... aspx?bcr=1

It is a Labour council.

I know that to you anybody to the right of Jeremy Corbyn is a fascist, to most people a Labour Council is a left wing council.

No shit Sherlock!
Bring back Degsy I say.

[SaintK]

Be afraid, be very afraid!!

Redwood was Welsh secretary under John Major, but he has not served in government since 1995 and he last sat on the Conservative frontbench in 2005. But he has been tipped for a ministerial job if Truss becomes PM.

[Insane_Homer]

[I like neeps]

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/macron- ... ce/2668345

Macron is absolutely correct, Truss must also deliver this speech. Great chance to cosplay Thatcher as she loved giving people tough medicine and building a broken economy.

[Insane_Homer]

[SaintK]

What the Daily Mail think................Dacre still desparate for his peerage

[SaintK]

What the voting public think....even Tories

[Tichtheid]

Re what is happening in Liverpool, it's probably just as well the Tories have been in power for twelve years. Otherwise we might not have been so well prepared for a pandemic.

We may have lost the circa hundred and thirty thousand lives due to austerity as per an article in the BMJ, but hey, at least the Government were fiscally at the top of their game, eh?

[fishfoodie]

What the Daily Mail think................Dacre still desparate for his peerage

At what point will Dacre start sucking up to DIzzy Lizzie ?

I mean the only reason they're pursuing this, defense, of the cunt, is they know that when he's found guilty, he's gone from Politics, & there won't be any Messianic return to lead the Tories again, after Truss inevitably fucks it up, & loses the next Election.

This plan to continually bring up the worst PM the UK has probably ever had, & present him as a solution to multiple crisis's that he fucking created, will surely just piss off the rest of the Party, that is trying to bury this history ?

[fishfoodie]

[I like neeps]

Another success for the Tories.

[fishfoodie]

Another success for the Tories.

Energy companies now asking for £100 Billion to cap Energy costs for the UK, & avoid who knows what in terms of societal breakdown, & deaths from hypothermia, & frankly starvation, as the most vulnerable have to choose between essentials.

With that kind of money, they could have upgraded most of the house stock in the UK !

It also neatly shows why if there's any spare cash in the back of the sofa, you're better off spending it on weapons, & sending them to Ukraine, if it'll shortens the War ! An Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier, & 24 F35Bs cost less than £9 billion, so just the UKs additional energy costs for the next couple of years, would turn the Ukraine into a force that could beat up the Orc rabble worse than any red headed stepchild !

[tabascoboy]

Now look here young people, it's all your fault

[I like neeps]

Another success for the Tories.

Energy companies now asking for £100 Billion to cap Energy costs for the UK, & avoid who knows what in terms of societal breakdown, & deaths from hypothermia, & frankly starvation, as the most vulnerable have to choose between essentials.

With that kind of money, they could have upgraded most of the house stock in the UK !

It also neatly shows why if there's any spare cash in the back of the sofa, you're better off spending it on weapons, & sending them to Ukraine, if it'll shortens the War ! An Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier, & 24 F35Bs cost less than £9 billion, so just the UKs additional energy costs for the next couple of years, would turn the Ukraine into a force that could beat up the Orc rabble worse than any red headed stepchild !

There's no money behind the sofa and if it doesn't shorten the war (and there's really no guarantees and nobody knows if it will) then you're kind of screwed. Also shortening the war doesn't actually help with energy costs... It's not "unlucky Vlad, get the pumps on again". The energy prices will be high for years, it's something that hasn't yet been cottoned on too. Europe used russian energy because they can produce it at lower cost than other viable sources so it made business sense...

The 100bn won't happen, the energy firms are trying to keep demand high. Imagine how much money they'll make from these oh so generous deals they're proposing. The government needs to lower demand as they're doing across Europe. It really is that simple. But it won't happen as the Tories are mad ideologues.

[SaintK]

Cah for access still alive and well

The Tories are selling access to the new chancellor and senior ministers ​at almost £3,000 a ticket for corporate leaders and lobbyists at their autumn conference, saying it will help firms “take your business to the next level”.

The party is advertising spaces for its “prestigious” annual business day at £2,990 a head, saying it will give attenders the chance to interact with “key decision makers in the party”.

[Paddington Bear]

Now look here young people, it's all your fault

I don’t think it’s as bad as a lot of twitter commentators think, but I suspect a major tax hike will see a lot of young people emigrate to Australia

[I like neeps]

Now look here young people, it's all your fault

I don’t think it’s as bad as a lot of twitter commentators think, but I suspect a major tax hike will see a lot of young people emigrate to Australia

The article is just them saying they didn't have what young people today have when growing up: lattes, foreign holidays, phones, 0% interest rates etc and they had to work hard.

Which is fair enough - they didn't have those things. They did however have the biggest wealth creation trick ever in house prices and privatisation of everything though. So who is to say.

It's funny, all those posts are basically "our lives were terrible, so yours should be too".

[_Os_]

I'm cautious about anything the Telegraph comes out with. It used to be respectable about 10+ years ago, it's now a shithouse rag. Best to don the protective gear like you're venturing into Chernobyl before reading it.

It seems to thrive on creating and propagating animosity between people, the editorial framing is nearly always of conflict between people. Generational conflict is an obvious move for them, of course people's own children and grandchildren are now "the other". The nonsense about the "Woke" is often just the same thing.

But the Telegraph is useful in gaining an insight into the way most Tory members and supporters think, it's one of their inhouse publications. I don't think old people anywhere generally want those younger than them reduced to some form of poverty, it's just a Tory thing.

It's worthwhile putting on the protective gear sometimes though, there's some funny stuff in the Telegraph. Apparently the UK has been horrendously fucked by Tory rule (has anyone told them if there isn't a Tory PM there's a Labour one?) and at the same time Brexit is also a non-issue that has had so little impact it doesn't warrant being mentioned.

[Paddington Bear]

Now look here young people, it's all your fault

I don’t think it’s as bad as a lot of twitter commentators think, but I suspect a major tax hike will see a lot of young people emigrate to Australia

The article is just them saying they didn't have what young people today have when growing up: lattes, foreign holidays, phones, 0% interest rates etc and they had to work hard.

Which is fair enough - they didn't have those things. They did however have the biggest wealth creation trick ever in house prices and privatisation of everything though. So who is to say.

It's funny, all those posts are basically "our lives were terrible, so yours should be too".

It's a really strange attitude, and one that I don't find shared by most people that age I know (who often think life was pretty good when they were in their 20s). I see a lot of 'I got lucky and I'll help my kids however I can'. Suppose as ever the bitter minority are the most vocal and the ones who therefore get listened to.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

It's the I'll help 'my kids' which is so often telling.

[Torquemada 1420]

Now look here young people, it's all your fault

I don’t think it’s as bad as a lot of twitter commentators think, but I suspect a major tax hike will see a lot of young people emigrate to Australia

You reckon? IIRC, both Aus and NZ have pretty high entry requirements and so a load of whinging youngsters with Meejuuuh Study Degrees from Scumbag University are unlikely to be permitted work entry to Nigeria (assuming they could even speak good enough English), let alone ANZ.

[Torquemada 1420]

Re what is happening in Liverpool, it's probably just as well the Tories have been in power for twelve years. Otherwise we might not have been so well prepared for a pandemic.

We may have lost the circa hundred and thirty thousand lives due to austerity as per an article in the BMJ, but hey, at least the Government were fiscally at the top of their game, eh?

Even that chart is wrong. It's more like 110% of GDP currently.

[GogLais]

It's the I'll help 'my kids' which is so often telling.

Not sure what you mean. I’d pay my sons’ mortgages or whatever for a few months if it came to it and I wouldn’t do the same for somebody else’s. Does that make me a villain?

[I like neeps]

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It's the I'll help 'my kids' which is so often telling.
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Not sure what you mean. I’d pay my sons’ mortgages or whatever for a few months if it came to it and I wouldn’t do the same for somebody else’s. Does that make me a villain?
[/quote]

No.

However, the attitude R&C is saying is "all this asset inflation is earned (wrong) and good because I can provide for my family" is bad long term because it entrenches inequality. It's a very broken society if BOMA or BODG (bank of dead grandparents) is the leading mortgage provider.

[GogLais]

It's the I'll help 'my kids' which is so often telling.

Not sure what you mean. I’d pay my sons’ mortgages or whatever for a few months if it came to it and I wouldn’t do the same for somebody else’s. Does that make me a villain?

No.

However, the attitude R&C is saying is "all this asset inflation is earned (wrong) and good because I can provide for my family" is bad long term because it entrenches inequality. It's a very broken society if BOMA or BODG (bank of dead grandparents) is the leading mortgage provider.

Thanks, I couldn’t read the article. I agree 100%.

[Paddington Bear]

Now look here young people, it's all your fault

I don’t think it’s as bad as a lot of twitter commentators think, but I suspect a major tax hike will see a lot of young people emigrate to Australia

You reckon? IIRC, both Aus and NZ have pretty high entry requirements and so a load of whinging youngsters with Meejuuuh Study Degrees from Scumbag University are unlikely to be permitted work entry to Nigeria (assuming they could even speak good enough English), let alone ANZ.

Anecdotes are not data but I haven't met a person who wanted to go to ANZ and was unable to. Granted most people I know are Russell Group grads

[_Os_]

It's the I'll help 'my kids' which is so often telling.

Good observation. It's the cognitive dissonance that gets them through.

It's the same on the migration issue. Quite repulsive comments about immigrants, me saying "I'm an immigrant", then the reply "I didn't mean you". All with a totally straight face.

So a war against younger generations it is then, just not the young people they care about.

[_Os_]

Anecdotes are not data but I haven't met a person who wanted to go to ANZ and was unable to. Granted most people I know are Russell Group grads

The Australian points based immigration system has been talked up into something it isn't in the UK. The perception is that only brain surgeons can get in and it's a system which reduces immigration to almost nothing.

Reality: South African I know got fed up with the UK, lied on the forms that he was a decorator and plasterer and lives in Perth now. Another South African I know quite liked the UK but the hostile environment forced him out, he has no university education and lives in NZ now.

[GogLais]

It's the I'll help 'my kids' which is so often telling.

Good observation. It's the cognitive dissonance that gets them through.

It's the same on the migration issue. Quite repulsive comments about immigrants, me saying "I'm an immigrant", then the reply "I didn't mean you". All with a totally straight face.

So a war against younger generations it is then, just not the young people they care about.

Anecdotal but anyway - I mix with a lot of people who are getting on a bit. Some and it’s very very few will say something unpleasant about the unemployed or immigrants but I don’t remember any such remark about younger people as a group. Let’s not believe everything we read.
Which you might say applies to what I’ve just posted of course.

[_Os_]

It's the I'll help 'my kids' which is so often telling.

Good observation. It's the cognitive dissonance that gets them through.

It's the same on the migration issue. Quite repulsive comments about immigrants, me saying "I'm an immigrant", then the reply "I didn't mean you". All with a totally straight face.

So a war against younger generations it is then, just not the young people they care about.

Anecdotal but anyway - I mix with a lot of people who are getting on a bit. Some and it’s very very few will say something unpleasant about the unemployed or immigrants but I don’t remember any such remark about younger people as a group. Let’s not believe everything we read.
Which you might say applies to what I’ve just posted of course.

I posted what you did too, that this sentiment seems manufactured (the Telegraph is toxic). But there's something in what Rhubarb posted I hadn't considered, it may not be as clear cut as I thought. If you can create an "us v them", you can actually get people to go along with something they don't agree with when applied to anyone they care about, but nevertheless they still go with it. How often the "us v them" line is repeated seems to be a big factor.

[GogLais]

Good observation. It's the cognitive dissonance that gets them through.

It's the same on the migration issue. Quite repulsive comments about immigrants, me saying "I'm an immigrant", then the reply "I didn't mean you". All with a totally straight face.

So a war against younger generations it is then, just not the young people they care about.

Anecdotal but anyway - I mix with a lot of people who are getting on a bit. Some and it’s very very few will say something unpleasant about the unemployed or immigrants but I don’t remember any such remark about younger people as a group. Let’s not believe everything we read.
Which you might say applies to what I’ve just posted of course.

I posted what you did too, that this sentiment seems manufactured (the Telegraph is toxic). But there's something in what Rhubarb posted I hadn't considered, it may not be as clear cut as I thought. If you can create an "us v them", you can actually get people to go along with something they don't agree with when applied to anyone they care about, but nevertheless they still go with it. How often the "us v them" line is repeated seems to be a big factor.

Interesting point. If there is such a plan then maybe it’s worked where immigrants and “scroungers” are concerned but my perception is it’s a long long way from working with young people.

[Tichtheid]

Youngest is in the process of moving to London for first proper job after uni. She and three friends are trying to find a flat. So far they've been too late on enquiring about a place that had been listed that same day, another place they thought they had secured was lost when others offered to pay more and today they've had to bid £30 above the advertised weekly rent for the flat they are going for, two other sets of people offered first ten then twenty pounds more per week. They're still waiting to see if they have been successful in their bid.

I only became aware last week that the current advertised rent in London is the minimum and you now have to bid more.

It's a shite state of affairs, between them they will paying almost £3.5K per month towards someone else's mortgage.

[ia801310]

Another success for the Tories.

Energy companies now asking for £100 Billion to cap Energy costs for the UK, & avoid who knows what in terms of societal breakdown, & deaths from hypothermia, & frankly starvation, as the most vulnerable have to choose between essentials.

With that kind of money, they could have upgraded most of the house stock in the UK !

It also neatly shows why if there's any spare cash in the back of the sofa, you're better off spending it on weapons, & sending them to Ukraine, if it'll shortens the War ! An Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier, & 24 F35Bs cost less than £9 billion, so just the UKs additional energy costs for the next couple of years, would turn the Ukraine into a force that could beat up the Orc rabble worse than any red headed stepchild !

Even as a Tory I think that the time has come to renationalise the water and the energy companies. The market has failed.

[I like neeps]

Another success for the Tories.

Energy companies now asking for £100 Billion to cap Energy costs for the UK, & avoid who knows what in terms of societal breakdown, & deaths from hypothermia, & frankly starvation, as the most vulnerable have to choose between essentials.

With that kind of money, they could have upgraded most of the house stock in the UK !

It also neatly shows why if there's any spare cash in the back of the sofa, you're better off spending it on weapons, & sending them to Ukraine, if it'll shortens the War ! An Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier, & 24 F35Bs cost less than £9 billion, so just the UKs additional energy costs for the next couple of years, would turn the Ukraine into a force that could beat up the Orc rabble worse than any red headed stepchild !

Even as a Tory I think that the time has come to renationalise the water and the energy companies. The market has failed.

I'm kind of fine with the energy privatisation - yes companies are destroying the planet and yes they've created untold wealth for states actively hostile to the west and democracy but "the market" hasn't failed. We've just cut off a major supplier to try and stop a war. The market would surely suggest we don't do that?

Water is obviously a disaster.