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Niegs wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:20 pm Part of a wee "do your own research" type cult down there, isn't he?

So he's anti lockdown, anti vaccine.....

Henry Slade is Dozy?

Tons of them down at Exeter (Williams, Hepburn, Nowell etc). Something in the water I reckon.

To be fair, for some of these fellas down in the West Country we’re lucky they don’t think colour TV is stealing their souls.

Doesn't he have fairly serious diabetes?

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:09 pm Doesn't he have fairly serious diabetes?

Yeah, he's type 1 from memory

Another good thread on the Indian variant from John Burn-Murdoch

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:25 pm Another good thread on the Indian variant from John Burn-Murdoch

Yeah - I suspect the final unlock will be have to be delayed a bit to let vax rollout reach a wider population. Probably only talking about a couple of weeks or so

I've seen the article text on reddit, these are the two key lines of quote for me:

There is no way of knowing what it could do... I just think there hasn't been any where near enough testing to deem it safe.

He seems to have decided that things he's unaware of or doesn't understand simply don't exist. Mad.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:45 pm I've seen the article text on reddit, these are the two key lines of quote for me:

There is no way of knowing what it could do... I just think there hasn't been any where near enough testing to deem it safe.

He seems to have decided that things he's unaware of or doesn't understand simply don't exist. Mad.

What exactly is he expecting to suddenly jump out after 6 months and hundreds of millions of doses?

Charitably I'd say that unless someone's got a hitherto unknown time machine knocking about we can't know with absolute certainty the long term impact of the covid vaccines on people. However that's of course been the case since forever when it comes to medical advancements, so its not much of a point.

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:41 pm
Say goodbye to overseas tours

If I were a coach from another team; I wouldn't be happy with my players attending an England camp with him either. Even being in a ruck, during a game, with him could be enough to infect someone else.

We know the vaccines aren't 100% effective; & if plums like him infect your players, you end up having to concede games; thru no fault of your own.

The RFU & other bodies need to make it clear that if players aren't vaccinated; they have to get tested more often, so they can't infect anyone else.

Raggs wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:50 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:45 pm I've seen the article text on reddit, these are the two key lines of quote for me:

There is no way of knowing what it could do... I just think there hasn't been any where near enough testing to deem it safe.

He seems to have decided that things he's unaware of or doesn't understand simply don't exist. Mad.

What exactly is he expecting to suddenly jump out after 6 months and hundreds of millions of doses?

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:53 pm Tons of them down at Exeter (Williams, Hepburn, Nowell etc). Something in the water I reckon.

Where's Bridlington?

I have a FB 'freind' (widow of an old team mate) who is absolutely loopy about the Bill Gates mind control thing.

Saint wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:35 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:25 pm Another good thread on the Indian variant from John Burn-Murdoch

Yeah - I suspect the final unlock will be have to be delayed a bit to let vax rollout reach a wider population. Probably only talking about a couple of weeks or so

That's why it doesn't make sense to withhold vaccines from poorer countries which will incubate ever more resistant forms.

Well, I guess it may make sense financially, though, TBF.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:24 am

Saint wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:35 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:25 pm Another good thread on the Indian variant from John Burn-Murdoch

Yeah - I suspect the final unlock will be have to be delayed a bit to let vax rollout reach a wider population. Probably only talking about a couple of weeks or so

That's why it doesn't make sense to withhold vaccines from poorer countries which will incubate ever more resistant forms.

Well, I guess it may make sense financially, though, TBF.

Not sure what point you're making? No-one is sitting on a stockpile of vaccine

Saint wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:01 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:24 am

Saint wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:35 pm


Yeah - I suspect the final unlock will be have to be delayed a bit to let vax rollout reach a wider population. Probably only talking about a couple of weeks or so

That's why it doesn't make sense to withhold vaccines from poorer countries which will incubate ever more resistant forms.

Well, I guess it may make sense financially, though, TBF.

Not sure what point you're making? No-one is sitting on a stockpile of vaccine

They may not be sitting on stockpiles, but they are making them unaffordable.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:22 am

Saint wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:01 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:24 am

That's why it doesn't make sense to withhold vaccines from poorer countries which will incubate ever more resistant forms.

Well, I guess it may make sense financially, though, TBF.

Not sure what point you're making? No-one is sitting on a stockpile of vaccine

They may not be sitting on stockpiles, but they are making them unaffordable.

It’s availability, not affordability, that’s the problem. There’s billions sitting in COVAX unspent as they’re not available.

Rinkals, leave the loopy Covid supply theories to False Bay.

No-one is going to NOT sell vaccines to 3 billion poor people. There’s a shit-tonne of money to be made.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:22 am

Saint wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:01 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:24 am

That's why it doesn't make sense to withhold vaccines from poorer countries which will incubate ever more resistant forms.

Well, I guess it may make sense financially, though, TBF.

Not sure what point you're making? No-one is sitting on a stockpile of vaccine

They may not be sitting on stockpiles, but they are making them unaffordable.

The UK explicitly isn't and has produced a vaccine at cost.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:12 am Rinkals, leave the loopy Covid supply theories to False Bay.

No-one is going to NOT sell vaccines to 3 billion poor people. There’s a shit-tonne of money to be made.

Yes but Israel will get vaccines before Palestine. New Zealand will get vaccines before Uganda. Just how the world is.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:37 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:12 am Rinkals, leave the loopy Covid supply theories to False Bay.

No-one is going to NOT sell vaccines to 3 billion poor people. There’s a shit-tonne of money to be made.

Yes but Israel will get vaccines before Palestine. New Zealand will get vaccines before Uganda. Just how the world is.

Yeah, it is. Somewhere is going to get it first and any country that produces vaccine will give it to their own citizens first. New Zealand currently has less than 10% of people with one dose btw. Uganda has more people having had at least one dose than NZ (570k vs 340k).

Average age of those infected is 29. Which on one level is great, shows the impact on vaccines. On the other hand it calls into question the lifting of restrictions next month. There's a big Palestine march in Bradford planned for this weekend....

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:08 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:22 am

Saint wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:01 am

Not sure what point you're making? No-one is sitting on a stockpile of vaccine

They may not be sitting on stockpiles, but they are making them unaffordable.

It’s availability, not affordability, that’s the problem. There’s billions sitting in COVAX unspent as they’re not available.

https://sacoronavirus.co.za/2021/01/03/ ... -strategy/

South Africa has world-class clinical, sociological, epidemiological, and laboratory research expertise, and this has been the basis of the development of a wide-ranging research agenda for COVID-19 including vaccine development. The South African government is supporting the efforts of South African research institutions and vaccine manufacturing sites to conduct and contribute to research to accelerate the development and manufacture of promising COVID-19 vaccines and treatments. In addition, research institutions and manufacturing sites have partnered with international vaccine manufacturers and research allowing the country to make significant contributions to vaccine development efforts.

https://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/ ... e-vaccines

Nzimande told the media on Monday that government, through the Department of Science and Innovation (DSI), owns a 47.5% stake in Biovac, a biopharmaceutical company.

“The company has over the years developed the capability to manufacture vaccines,” he said.

Last year, the Minister launched an initiative, which sees Biovac manufacturing Hexaxim in partnership with Sanofi.

Hexaxim is the world's first liquid hexavalent vaccine that protects against diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, hepatitis B, Haemophilus influenza type B, and poliomyelitis.

“So, we do have a foundation that we need to build on,” he stressed.

https://theconversation.com/vaccine-pro ... ped-153204

India illustrates this well. The Serum Institute of India, a privately owned pharmaceutical company, is manufacturing large quantities of the University of Oxford/AstraZeneca and Novavax COVID-19 vaccines. The company scheduled to reach 100 million doses produced a month by March 2021. In return, India will keep a portion of the vaccines it manufactures – reportedly 100 million doses in the first instance.

As far as I can see, it's the issue of Intellectual Property which is preventing Countries from having a free hand in producing vaccines.

India's production is under licence, which obviously carries a financial burden.

It's not that vaccines cannot be produced there, it's that the cost of licenses makes it uneconomic.

Which is my whole point.

If you want to eradicate this disease, poor people need to be inoculated as well.

Otherwise the virus can incubate ever more resistant strains. Which may be beneficial to the industry.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:30 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:22 am

Saint wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:01 am

Not sure what point you're making? No-one is sitting on a stockpile of vaccine

They may not be sitting on stockpiles, but they are making them unaffordable.

The UK explicitly isn't and has produced a vaccine at cost.

Good on them.

However, 'at cost' in the UK is probably significantly more expensive than it is in India or South Africa.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:05 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:30 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:22 am

They may not be sitting on stockpiles, but they are making them unaffordable.

The UK explicitly isn't and has produced a vaccine at cost.

Good on them.

However, 'at cost' in the UK is probably significantly more expensive than it is in India or South Africa.

Which is why the AZ vaccine has been licenced for production by the Serum Institute of India and I believe partners in SA as well

BnM wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:52 am Average age of those infected is 29. Which on one level is great, shows the impact on vaccines. On the other hand it calls into question the lifting of restrictions next month. There's a big Palestine march in Bradford planned for this weekend....

Provided they all end up at a sporting event, concert, restaurant or pub they should be OK.

As for that idiot Slade, I have an underlying health issue and was first in the queue for the jab when my cohort opened up. My father in law is on insulin and went straight for the vaccine. And who will now anger JMK with a colossal defensive rick once an England match if Slade gets cut?

Although knowing Jones' contrarian stance on everything, he'll probably force the England squad to drink a mixture of milk and Slade's blood just to spite us.

I think on the whole take up is good enough that we can probably accommodate the odd crank like Slade who refuses to take it - as much as it pisses me off I don't think people should be legally forced into having it.

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:50 am

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:37 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:12 am Rinkals, leave the loopy Covid supply theories to False Bay.

No-one is going to NOT sell vaccines to 3 billion poor people. There’s a shit-tonne of money to be made.

Yes but Israel will get vaccines before Palestine. New Zealand will get vaccines before Uganda. Just how the world is.

Yeah, it is. Somewhere is going to get it first and any country that produces vaccine will give it to their own citizens first. New Zealand currently has less than 10% of people with one dose btw. Uganda has more people having had at least one dose than NZ (570k vs 340k).

Not sure that New Zealand, Australia, Canada and most European countries manufacture the vaccines they are administering.

For Europe, the EU is one country wrt vaccine provision. The others are fundamentally money talks, which is shit, no argument from me. But do you seriously expect a National government to step aside and say they won’t do their best to protect their own citizens?

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:01 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:08 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:22 am

They may not be sitting on stockpiles, but they are making them unaffordable.

It’s availability, not affordability, that’s the problem. There’s billions sitting in COVAX unspent as they’re not available.

https://sacoronavirus.co.za/2021/01/03/ ... -strategy/

South Africa has world-class clinical, sociological, epidemiological, and laboratory research expertise, and this has been the basis of the development of a wide-ranging research agenda for COVID-19 including vaccine development. The South African government is supporting the efforts of South African research institutions and vaccine manufacturing sites to conduct and contribute to research to accelerate the development and manufacture of promising COVID-19 vaccines and treatments. In addition, research institutions and manufacturing sites have partnered with international vaccine manufacturers and research allowing the country to make significant contributions to vaccine development efforts.

https://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/ ... e-vaccines

Nzimande told the media on Monday that government, through the Department of Science and Innovation (DSI), owns a 47.5% stake in Biovac, a biopharmaceutical company.

“The company has over the years developed the capability to manufacture vaccines,” he said.

Last year, the Minister launched an initiative, which sees Biovac manufacturing Hexaxim in partnership with Sanofi.

Hexaxim is the world's first liquid hexavalent vaccine that protects against diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, hepatitis B, Haemophilus influenza type B, and poliomyelitis.

“So, we do have a foundation that we need to build on,” he stressed.

https://theconversation.com/vaccine-pro ... ped-153204

India illustrates this well. The Serum Institute of India, a privately owned pharmaceutical company, is manufacturing large quantities of the University of Oxford/AstraZeneca and Novavax COVID-19 vaccines. The company scheduled to reach 100 million doses produced a month by March 2021. In return, India will keep a portion of the vaccines it manufactures – reportedly 100 million doses in the first instance.

As far as I can see, it's the issue of Intellectual Property which is preventing Countries from having a free hand in producing vaccines.

India's production is under licence, which obviously carries a financial burden.

It's not that vaccines cannot be produced there, it's that the cost of licenses makes it uneconomic.

Which is my whole point.

If you want to eradicate this disease, poor people need to be inoculated as well.

Otherwise the virus can incubate ever more resistant strains. Which may be beneficial to the industry.

Aspen Pharma have partnered with J&J to produce their vaccine in SA. Bio vac are partnering with a US company to produce vaccine as well. But you can’t just snap your fingers and suddenly produce these vaccines - most of them are a different technology to what’s currently done in SA. Look at how long it took the EU to get their manufacturing plants up and running. SII took a long time to get up to current levels as well, and they’re a longer established facility used to producing at scale. There’s a limited number of people who understand the scale up process.

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:12 am For Europe, the EU is one country wrt vaccine provision. The others are fundamentally money talks, which is shit, no argument from me. But do you seriously expect a National government to step aside and say they won’t do their best to protect their own citizens?

Hopefully it will be different for the next pandemic. I firmly believe putting national interest first is what made this such a mess. A little more co-operation between nations would have made a big difference here

Saint wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:52 pm

Niegs wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:20 pm Part of a wee "do your own research" type cult down there, isn't he?

So he's anti lockdown, anti vaccine.....

Henry Slade is Dozy?

Dai Lama on Twitter suggesting it’s a clever ploy to always pass an HIA as this is now his baseline.

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:39 am

Saint wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:52 pm

Niegs wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:20 pm Part of a wee "do your own research" type cult down there, isn't he?

So he's anti lockdown, anti vaccine.....

Henry Slade is Dozy?

Dai Lama on Twitter suggesting it’s a clever ploy to always pass an HIA as this is now his baseline.

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:20 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:01 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:08 am

It’s availability, not affordability, that’s the problem. There’s billions sitting in COVAX unspent as they’re not available.

https://sacoronavirus.co.za/2021/01/03/ ... -strategy/

South Africa has world-class clinical, sociological, epidemiological, and laboratory research expertise, and this has been the basis of the development of a wide-ranging research agenda for COVID-19 including vaccine development. The South African government is supporting the efforts of South African research institutions and vaccine manufacturing sites to conduct and contribute to research to accelerate the development and manufacture of promising COVID-19 vaccines and treatments. In addition, research institutions and manufacturing sites have partnered with international vaccine manufacturers and research allowing the country to make significant contributions to vaccine development efforts.

https://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/ ... e-vaccines

Nzimande told the media on Monday that government, through the Department of Science and Innovation (DSI), owns a 47.5% stake in Biovac, a biopharmaceutical company.

“The company has over the years developed the capability to manufacture vaccines,” he said.

Last year, the Minister launched an initiative, which sees Biovac manufacturing Hexaxim in partnership with Sanofi.

Hexaxim is the world's first liquid hexavalent vaccine that protects against diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, hepatitis B, Haemophilus influenza type B, and poliomyelitis.

“So, we do have a foundation that we need to build on,” he stressed.

https://theconversation.com/vaccine-pro ... ped-153204

India illustrates this well. The Serum Institute of India, a privately owned pharmaceutical company, is manufacturing large quantities of the University of Oxford/AstraZeneca and Novavax COVID-19 vaccines. The company scheduled to reach 100 million doses produced a month by March 2021. In return, India will keep a portion of the vaccines it manufactures – reportedly 100 million doses in the first instance.

As far as I can see, it's the issue of Intellectual Property which is preventing Countries from having a free hand in producing vaccines.

India's production is under licence, which obviously carries a financial burden.

It's not that vaccines cannot be produced there, it's that the cost of licenses makes it uneconomic.

Which is my whole point.

If you want to eradicate this disease, poor people need to be inoculated as well.

Otherwise the virus can incubate ever more resistant strains. Which may be beneficial to the industry.

Aspen Pharma have partnered with J&J to produce their vaccine in SA. Bio vac are partnering with a US company to produce vaccine as well. But you can’t just snap your fingers and suddenly produce these vaccines - most of them are a different technology to what’s currently done in SA. Look at how long it took the EU to get their manufacturing plants up and running. SII took a long time to get up to current levels as well, and they’re a longer established facility used to producing at scale. There’s a limited number of people who understand the scale up process.

If the poorer nations are not capable of producing vaccines (something which may be in dispute), then why is a moratorium on the IP out of the question? At the very least any licence to produce the vaccine should be at no cost.

Look, I understand the premise that the companies that spent decades developing these vaccines should be able to profit from them, but I just think that allowing the virus to incubate and develop resistant strains outside of the wealthy nations who have funded the research is short sighted. Or maybe long-sighted depending on whether your only objective is profit.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:05 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:30 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:22 am

They may not be sitting on stockpiles, but they are making them unaffordable.

The UK explicitly isn't and has produced a vaccine at cost.

Good on them.

However, 'at cost' in the UK is probably significantly more expensive than it is in India or South Africa.

That's not "making it unaffordable "

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:50 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:20 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:01 am
https://sacoronavirus.co.za/2021/01/03/ ... -strategy/


https://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/ ... e-vaccines


https://theconversation.com/vaccine-pro ... ped-153204


As far as I can see, it's the issue of Intellectual Property which is preventing Countries from having a free hand in producing vaccines.

India's production is under licence, which obviously carries a financial burden.

It's not that vaccines cannot be produced there, it's that the cost of licenses makes it uneconomic.

Which is my whole point.

If you want to eradicate this disease, poor people need to be inoculated as well.

Otherwise the virus can incubate ever more resistant strains. Which may be beneficial to the industry.

Aspen Pharma have partnered with J&J to produce their vaccine in SA. Bio vac are partnering with a US company to produce vaccine as well. But you can’t just snap your fingers and suddenly produce these vaccines - most of them are a different technology to what’s currently done in SA. Look at how long it took the EU to get their manufacturing plants up and running. SII took a long time to get up to current levels as well, and they’re a longer established facility used to producing at scale. There’s a limited number of people who understand the scale up process.

If the poorer nations are not capable of producing vaccines (something which may be in dispute), then why is a moratorium on the IP out of the question? At the very least any licence to produce the vaccine should be at no cost.

Look, I understand the premise that the companies that spent decades developing these vaccines should be able to profit from them, but I just think that allowing the virus to incubate and develop resistant strains outside of the wealthy nations who have funded the research is short sighted. Or maybe long-sighted depending on whether your only objective is profit.

Then what’s the point of the moratorium? If you do that and then give absolutely no assistance in understanding what’s required in scaling up, then it’s just empty gesture politics. And you’d inevitably end up with another group saying, ‘you’ve got the info, sort yourself out’ and supplying nothing to developing countries. As can be seen in a few countries, build up of vaccine production facilities is starting, it’ll continue over the next year or so. We are going to need billions of these every year for a good few years. More production plants are needed but you can’t set them up in a few weeks. It’s astonishing we’ve got so much being produced already.

Janssen vaccine approved for use in the UK.

BnM wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:52 am Average age of those infected is 29. Which on one level is great, shows the impact on vaccines. On the other hand it calls into question the lifting of restrictions next month. There's a big Palestine march in Bradford planned for this weekend....

But it also shows that Bimbot is a dickhead when he claimed that the virus only kills old people. Lots of new admissions in the 30-39 age group in serious condition.

I suspect they were careful for a year to keep Mum and Grandad safe. Soon as the elderly got jabbed, their grown up kids forgot all about restrictions and started socialising all over. Plus back to school for their own children....

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:50 pm

BnM wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:52 am Average age of those infected is 29. Which on one level is great, shows the impact on vaccines. On the other hand it calls into question the lifting of restrictions next month. There's a big Palestine march in Bradford planned for this weekend....

But it also shows that Bimbot is a dickhead when he claimed that the virus only kills old people. Lots of new admissions in the 30-39 age group in serious condition.

I suspect they were careful for a year to keep Mum and Grandad safe. Soon as the elderly got jabbed, their grown up kids forgot all about restrictions and started socialising all over. Plus back to school for their own children....

Now that we have a more virulent version of the virus dominant and spreading fast it would be sensible to not lift lockdown in June and try and get ahead with the vaccination programme. Whilst younger folk are a lot less likely to die of covid19, if we lift lockdown now we will just see lots and lots of cases and after that it's a numbers game - a % will need hospitalisation and a % of them will die. There is also the no small matter of long covid and possibly consigning young folk to many weeks or months of potentially serious ongoing health problems. With schools/colleges back and no plans to vaccinated u16s then we have an ideal environment in schools and colleges for the virus to spread asymptomatically across the wider community. It would make more sense to retain current lock down arrangements until schools finish up?

I see, as predicted, that EU countries and others are now thinking twice about allowing UK citizens to travel because of the Indian variant now being dominant. I just hope the Blonde Bumblecunt is satisfied with yet another major covid blunder! How much better position would we be in if he had closed the border to Indian travel and put in the proper isolation requirements at the right time, at the very least we would have bought a few extra weeks/months to get further ahead with the vaccination programme. He really is a useless Cnut of the first order!

Are the eu sequencing enough now to see what they've got and the prominence? Indian variant is already in Germany and France as well as other eu countries. I can appreciate not wanting to make it worse but the uk has done of the lowest covid rates out there at the moment.