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Biffer wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 8:41 pm

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 7:07 pm

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 6:44 pm

Yes was mildly surprised given the backlog in London, can only guess it's presumed better to plough ahead without them for now. Hopefully they come sooner than later.

See the anti lockdown/passport & proplaguer lot have had another trundle today.

London has a younger population than most of the UK, combine that with a few vaccine hesitant communities and that mostly accounts for the difference.

Really? That accounts for London being 14% behind the rest of the country?

Slick wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 9:47 pm “Vaccine hesitant communities”

“Religious-socio-economic”

Are we not allowed to say Muslim?

Slick wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 9:47 pm “Vaccine hesitant communities”

“Religious-socio-economic”

Are we not allowed to say Muslim?

shaggy wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:10 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 9:47 pm “Vaccine hesitant communities”

“Religious-socio-economic”

Are we not allowed to say Muslim?

Eastern European’s are not all Muslim.

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 9:19 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 8:41 pm

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 7:07 pm
London has a younger population than most of the UK, combine that with a few vaccine hesitant communities and that mostly accounts for the difference.

Really? That accounts for London being 14% behind the rest of the country?

Pretty much.

Most of the areas with the lowest vaccine takeup rates are in London - the reasons are diverse but 'religious-socio-economic' mostly covers it. That is probably about 10% and the average age in London being 5 years younger than nationally accounts for the rest.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:02 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 9:47 pm “Vaccine hesitant communities”

“Religious-socio-economic”

Are we not allowed to say Muslim?

The people I saw marching though Brighton last week, intimidating people and shouting through loud hailers at bystanders in masks, were not Muslims.

You're going to ask me how I know they were not Muslims, the marchers were 100% white English from what I could see, the demographic looked very similar to the EDL marches I've seen coming through here in recent years, and before that NF.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:21 pm

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:52 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:05 am

Good on them.

However, 'at cost' in the UK is probably significantly more expensive than it is in India or South Africa.

That's not "making it unaffordable "

It really depends on your definition of 'affordable'.

The minimum wage in South Africa is R21 an hour, which is about a quid.

I'd like to see the average Brit live on that.

Slick wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:41 pm Every single report I can see on “vaccine hesitancy” says by far the largest groups are from the BAME communities.

You all know this

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:02 pm The important bit that I questioned in your sentence is "making it".

They are not making it unaffordable. It's unaffordable for other, economic reasons. There are also programs afoot to vaccinate elsewhere where governments are picking up the tab. Your position seems, erm, odd

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 2:40 am

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:02 pm The important bit that I questioned in your sentence is "making it".

They are not making it unaffordable. It's unaffordable for other, economic reasons. There are also programs afoot to vaccinate elsewhere where governments are picking up the tab. Your position seems, erm, odd

Between direct cash contributions, discounts from the manufacturers and above all contribution of excess orders by Western countries I'm confident in saying that African countries will by and large not pay anything towards vaccine procurement this year.

Those countries that are left out of pocket will probably be those that took initiative to order Sinovac/Sinopharm.

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 2:34 am

Slick wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:41 pm Every single report I can see on “vaccine hesitancy” says by far the largest groups are from the BAME communities.

You all know this

But you've commented "Are we not allowed to say Muslim?" The lowest uptake rates are amongst African and Afro-Carribbean people.

You're not dumb, and I'm willing to bet you know damn well that lower uptake rates exist outside of Muslim groups and their demographics within London.

Your comment and subsequent attempt at reasoning is extremely out of place in that context.

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:27 am Which African countries are going to be left out of pocket because they ordered the Chinese vaccine?

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 7:39 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:27 am Which African countries are going to be left out of pocket because they ordered the Chinese vaccine?

Those that ordered and paid for them that won't receive effective reimbursement from donations that are tapered to not include them. Eg some funds and instruments (eg Covax) are restricted to vaccines approved by WHO, and only Sinopharm has been added in May, with Sinovac due.

So if they ordered and paid for out with these funding pools and instruments, like Morocco, they will be out of pocket Vs doses they wait for and get materially for free. Once the vaccines are eligible for the pools and instruments, as Sinopharm is now, they'll likely fall into the same bucket - albeit the Sinopharm and Sinovac jabs are significantly more expensive (where data is available) than the 'western' vaccines, so I won't attribute a comment of 'likely materially free' to them.

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:26 am So Morocco are out of pocket but not south africa that bought the pfizer and J&J?

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:29 am

It doesn't really make sense to let the virus incubate resistant strains outside of the richer nations.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:47 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:29 am

It doesn't really make sense to let the virus incubate resistant strains outside of the richer nations.

Nor does it make sense to leave the domestic vaccination job unfinished. It's asbsurd the lengths to which some governments are having to resort to reach the vaccince refusers and skeptics, but it's also apparently necessary to complete their objective, unless they want to resort to apprehending and forcing people to take it.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:50 am

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:47 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:29 am

It doesn't really make sense to let the virus incubate resistant strains outside of the richer nations.

Nor does it make sense to leave the domestic vaccination job unfinished. It's asbsurd the lengths to which some governments are having to resort to reach the vaccince refusers and skeptics, but it's also apparently necessary to complete their objective, unless they want to resort to apprehending and forcing people to take it.

Financial penalties are available

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:42 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:26 am So Morocco are out of pocket but not south africa that bought the pfizer and J&J?

By the time South Africa has jabbed most of its pop, assuming done so with J&J, Pfizer and excess from Europe+NA (Novavax/Moderna/CureVac/Valneva/Sanofi&GSK/etc...) then yes I would say Morocco will be out of pocket for non-funded deliveries (given the prevalence in wide rollout already) whilst South Africa will be materially reliant on funded and donated deliveries. SA's 'buying' element will at the end of the day be effectively (re)funded by Western countries. I reasonably expect that to apply to any other African country that hasn't yet procured material amounts outside of the funded resources.

I don't think I can type it any clearer than that. 'Wait' for free stuff, means you get free stuff. Pay for stuff you won't get refunded for and you will have paid for stuff.

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 2:07 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:01 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:35 am

Not what you said.

Well thats what I meant - Suck it up!!

A vague admission that you were wrong, finally.

Slick wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:41 pm Every single report I can see on “vaccine hesitancy” says by far the largest groups are from the BAME communities.

You all know this

Slick wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 7:24 am

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 2:34 am

Slick wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:41 pm Every single report I can see on “vaccine hesitancy” says by far the largest groups are from the BAME communities.

You all know this

But you've commented "Are we not allowed to say Muslim?" The lowest uptake rates are amongst African and Afro-Carribbean people.

You're not dumb, and I'm willing to bet you know damn well that lower uptake rates exist outside of Muslim groups and their demographics within London.

Your comment and subsequent attempt at reasoning is extremely out of place in that context.

Well a significant proportion of those African people are also Muslim and the next 2 significant groups are Pakistani and Bangladeshi, so I don’t think it’s extremely out of place.

It was however a very poor post after a day drinking in the sun with not enough thought behind it

The point I was trying to make is that white people who don’t take the vaccine are all EDL supporting racists who deserve everything they get. But by far the highest proportion of people not taking it are “vaccine hesitant” and we are tip toeing around it, which I don’t think is good for anyone, it’s about actual life of death.

Slick wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:41 pm Every single report I can see on “vaccine hesitancy” says by far the largest groups are from the BAME communities.

You all know this

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:29 am

It doesn't really make sense to let the virus incubate resistant strains outside of the richer nations.

ohno wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:29 am

It doesn't really make sense to let the virus incubate resistant strains outside of the richer nations.

Are South Africa willing to use the Oxford-AZ vaccine yet? If yes then he has a very good point, if no then just another hypocrite.

ohno wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 6:29 am

It doesn't really make sense to let the virus incubate resistant strains outside of the richer nations.

Are South Africa willing to use the Oxford-AZ vaccine yet? If yes then he has a very good point, if no then just another hypocrite.

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 4:28 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 7:24 am

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 2:34 am

But you've commented "Are we not allowed to say Muslim?" The lowest uptake rates are amongst African and Afro-Carribbean people.

You're not dumb, and I'm willing to bet you know damn well that lower uptake rates exist outside of Muslim groups and their demographics within London.

Your comment and subsequent attempt at reasoning is extremely out of place in that context.

Well a significant proportion of those African people are also Muslim and the next 2 significant groups are Pakistani and Bangladeshi, so I don’t think it’s extremely out of place.

It was however a very poor post after a day drinking in the sun with not enough thought behind it

The point I was trying to make is that white people who don’t take the vaccine are all EDL supporting racists who deserve everything they get. But by far the highest proportion of people not taking it are “vaccine hesitant” and we are tip toeing around it, which I don’t think is good for anyone, it’s about actual life of death.

Is vaccine hesitancy related to their religion? Genuine questions as I've heard some of the less enlightened imams saying not to take the vaccine but there doesn't appear to be much reluctance amongst SA Muslims to take the vaccine. In fact, I think the greatest reluctance is amongst Afrikaners

Covid-19: UK in early stages of third wave - scientist

There are signs the UK is in the early stages of a third wave of coronavirus infections, a scientist advising the government has said.

Prof Ravi Gupta, from the University of Cambridge, said although new cases were "relatively low" the Indian variant had fuelled "exponential growth". He said ending Covid restrictions in England on 21 June should be postponed.

Environment Secretary George Eustice said the government could not rule out a delay to the planned lockdown easing.

On Sunday, the UK reported more than 3,000 new Covid infections for a fifth day in a row.

Prior to this, the UK had not surpassed that number since 12 April.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57304515

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:51 am

Covid-19: UK in early stages of third wave - scientist

There are signs the UK is in the early stages of a third wave of coronavirus infections, a scientist advising the government has said.

Prof Ravi Gupta, from the University of Cambridge, said although new cases were "relatively low" the Indian variant had fuelled "exponential growth". He said ending Covid restrictions in England on 21 June should be postponed.

Environment Secretary George Eustice said the government could not rule out a delay to the planned lockdown easing.

On Sunday, the UK reported more than 3,000 new Covid infections for a fifth day in a row.

Prior to this, the UK had not surpassed that number since 12 April.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57304515

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:47 pm He's going to pile on and then pull the carpet out from underneath people on the 20th,similar to the farce around Christmas.

Pretty sure Scotland will delay the additional opening up scheduled for the 7th across most of the country.

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:47 pm He's going to pile on and then pull the carpet out from underneath people on the 20th,similar to the farce around Christmas.

Pretty sure Scotland will delay the additional opening up scheduled for the 7th across most of the country.

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:59 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:47 pm He's going to pile on and then pull the carpet out from underneath people on the 20th,similar to the farce around Christmas.

Pretty sure Scotland will delay the additional opening up scheduled for the 7th across most of the country.

...........or maybe slightly before.
The shambles of a decision in not putting India on the red list immediately and letting 20k+ people in untracked and untraced in that period just beacause the blonde slug was still hoping that his high profile visit to India would still go ahead will cost us dear.

The Beeb wrote: Peru has more than doubled its Covid death toll following a review, making it the country with the world's highest death rate per capita, according to Johns Hopkins University data.

The official death toll now sits at more than 180,000, up from 69,342.

Prime Minister Violeta Bermudez told reporters that the number was raised on the advice of Peruvian and international experts.

This was in line with so-called excess deaths figures.

Excess deaths are a measure of how many more people are dying than would be expected based on the previous few years.

"We think it is our duty to make public this updated information," Ms Bermudez said.

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:27 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:59 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:47 pm He's going to pile on and then pull the carpet out from underneath people on the 20th,similar to the farce around Christmas.

Pretty sure Scotland will delay the additional opening up scheduled for the 7th across most of the country.

...........or maybe slightly before.
The shambles of a decision in not putting India on the red list immediately and letting 20k+ people in untracked and untraced in that period just beacause the blonde slug was still hoping that his high profile visit to India would still go ahead will cost us dear.

Almost 7% positive tests on people arriving from India in the weeks before the red list. It's a fine way to kickstart a new wave.