EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:44 pm
So if a fireman thinks entering the burning building he couls get a bit on the smokey side he doesn't. It's something to.hide behind and facts are very few people would be OK with emergency services standing back while people are dying.
I've spent years working in a reasonably high risk industry, underground mining. Risk is managed through various means... there's a saying in the Australian mining game that only aviation is more heavily regulated.
A big part of that risk management is the duty of care you are required to observe...that being that you do not expose yourself and others to (potential) harm as a result of your actions.
The first impulse is to rush in and help. If someone has managed to electrocute themselves and you run in and grab them, you're fucked as well. Then you've created two problems when there was one. The same goes for any accident / incident occurrence... it's not about something to hide behind, that's just offensive ignorance. Trained personnel assess risk as a matter of course... there's no point in exposing more people to the risk of harm before a plan and / or necessary equipment can be organised.
Of course, if Paddy Knowitall wants to rush on in and be a hero, by all means... step aside and let him go.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:37 pm
by Sandstorm
Three Pines on a Prime. Canadian cop show with Alfred Molina (Doc Oc) in lead. Slower burner, but really good.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:09 am
by Blackmac
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:44 pm
So if a fireman thinks entering the burning building he couls get a bit on the smokey side he doesn't. It's something to.hide behind and facts are very few people would be OK with emergency services standing back while people are dying.
They are not, and generally emergency personnel on the ground are willing to risk everything, but the Manchester Arena bombing is a prime example of how it has taken a grip on senior ranks. As Guy pointed out, it's not a case of fear or a culture of something to hide behind but a fairly sensible philosophy that can have dire consequences if they fail to adhere to it and there is a negative outcome.
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:44 pm
So if a fireman thinks entering the burning building he couls get a bit on the smokey side he doesn't. It's something to.hide behind and facts are very few people would be OK with emergency services standing back while people are dying.
I've spent years working in a reasonably high risk industry, underground mining. Risk is managed through various means... there's a saying in the Australian mining game that only aviation is more heavily regulated.
A big part of that risk management is the duty of care you are required to observe...that being that you do not expose yourself and others to (potential) harm as a result of your actions.
The first impulse is to rush in and help. If someone has managed to electrocute themselves and you run in and grab them, you're fucked as well. Then you've created two problems when there was one. The same goes for any accident / incident occurrence... it's not about something to hide behind, that's just offensive ignorance. Trained personnel assess risk as a matter of course... there's no point in exposing more people to the risk of harm before a plan and / or necessary equipment can be organised.
Of course, if Paddy Knowitall wants to rush on in and be a hero, by all means... step aside and let him go.
It's an extremely sensible philosophy but I think the recriminating nature of society has pushed the scale too far and led to over cautiousness. I've been involved in many situations where the level of response has been ridiculously careful and it is extremely difficult for Paddy Knowitall to comprehend. It is undoubtedly a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't, especially with the emergency services.
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:44 pm
So if a fireman thinks entering the burning building he couls get a bit on the smokey side he doesn't. It's something to.hide behind and facts are very few people would be OK with emergency services standing back while people are dying.
I've spent years working in a reasonably high risk industry, underground mining. Risk is managed through various means... there's a saying in the Australian mining game that only aviation is more heavily regulated.
A big part of that risk management is the duty of care you are required to observe...that being that you do not expose yourself and others to (potential) harm as a result of your actions.
The first impulse is to rush in and help. If someone has managed to electrocute themselves and you run in and grab them, you're fucked as well. Then you've created two problems when there was one. The same goes for any accident / incident occurrence... it's not about something to hide behind, that's just offensive ignorance. Trained personnel assess risk as a matter of course... there's no point in exposing more people to the risk of harm before a plan and / or necessary equipment can be organised.
Of course, if Paddy Knowitall wants to rush on in and be a hero, by all means... step aside and let him go.
It's an extremely sensible philosophy but I think the recriminating nature of society has pushed the scale too far and led to over cautiousness. I've been involved in many situations where the level of response has been ridiculously careful and it is extremely difficult for Paddy Knowitall to comprehend. It is undoubtedly a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't, especially with the emergency services.
People take the piss out of Health and Safety, but the fact is that I worked on a very large building site where there was a poster at the front gate detailing the number of days since the last accident on site, including fatalities.
The H&S at work Act has saved many lives, when I did my City & Guilds Sparks course it was all about safety, and the first rule was pretty much "don't create two casualties and put someone else in danger"
I have mates who work in dangerous industries, from offshore rope access to BMC Guides, including guiding on the British Antarctic Survey. I also know RNLI volunteers on the boats. Things have changed over the years, overall it's for the better.
BTW, on films rather than TV, the new Batman is okay. The Dumbledore thing lasted ten minutes, it's for the Ceebeebies audience, I think.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 9:10 am
by weegie01
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:37 pm
Three Pines on a Prime. Canadian cop show with Alfred Molina (Doc Oc) in lead. Slower burner, but really good.
I have watched them all and was disappointed there were so few episodes at the end.
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:44 pm
So if a fireman thinks entering the burning building he couls get a bit on the smokey side he doesn't. It's something to.hide behind and facts are very few people would be OK with emergency services standing back while people are dying.
I've spent years working in a reasonably high risk industry, underground mining. Risk is managed through various means... there's a saying in the Australian mining game that only aviation is more heavily regulated.
A big part of that risk management is the duty of care you are required to observe...that being that you do not expose yourself and others to (potential) harm as a result of your actions.
The first impulse is to rush in and help. If someone has managed to electrocute themselves and you run in and grab them, you're fucked as well. Then you've created two problems when there was one. The same goes for any accident / incident occurrence... it's not about something to hide behind, that's just offensive ignorance. Trained personnel assess risk as a matter of course... there's no point in exposing more people to the risk of harm before a plan and / or necessary equipment can be organised.
Of course, if Paddy Knowitall wants to rush on in and be a hero, by all means... step aside and let him go.
I've heard of several confined spaces cases of multiple deaths e.g. farm silos where people have dived in to help. Human nature really, not to watch someone die and do nothing about it.
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:44 pm
So if a fireman thinks entering the burning building he couls get a bit on the smokey side he doesn't. It's something to.hide behind and facts are very few people would be OK with emergency services standing back while people are dying.
I've spent years working in a reasonably high risk industry, underground mining. Risk is managed through various means... there's a saying in the Australian mining game that only aviation is more heavily regulated.
A big part of that risk management is the duty of care you are required to observe...that being that you do not expose yourself and others to (potential) harm as a result of your actions.
The first impulse is to rush in and help. If someone has managed to electrocute themselves and you run in and grab them, you're fucked as well. Then you've created two problems when there was one. The same goes for any accident / incident occurrence... it's not about something to hide behind, that's just offensive ignorance. Trained personnel assess risk as a matter of course... there's no point in exposing more people to the risk of harm before a plan and / or necessary equipment can be organised.
Of course, if Paddy Knowitall wants to rush on in and be a hero, by all means... step aside and let him go.
I've heard of several confined spaces cases of multiple deaths e.g. farm silos where people have dived in to help. Human nature really, not to watch someone die and do nothing about it.
The Spence family tragedy in Ulster is a case in point on that.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 1:16 pm
by yermum
I have had a spy drama holiday break.
Slow horses, Litvenenko, Etc
Got me thinking that Putin fella might be a bad egg.
Thanks for the slow horses recommendation this place though slow does come up with the goods
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:44 pm
So if a fireman thinks entering the burning building he couls get a bit on the smokey side he doesn't. It's something to.hide behind and facts are very few people would be OK with emergency services standing back while people are dying.
I've spent years working in a reasonably high risk industry, underground mining. Risk is managed through various means... there's a saying in the Australian mining game that only aviation is more heavily regulated.
A big part of that risk management is the duty of care you are required to observe...that being that you do not expose yourself and others to (potential) harm as a result of your actions.
The first impulse is to rush in and help. If someone has managed to electrocute themselves and you run in and grab them, you're fucked as well. Then you've created two problems when there was one. The same goes for any accident / incident occurrence... it's not about something to hide behind, that's just offensive ignorance. Trained personnel assess risk as a matter of course... there's no point in exposing more people to the risk of harm before a plan and / or necessary equipment can be organised.
Of course, if Paddy Knowitall wants to rush on in and be a hero, by all means... step aside and let him go.
I've heard of several confined spaces cases of multiple deaths e.g. farm silos where people have dived in to help. Human nature really, not to watch someone die and do nothing about it.
Yeah; I remember one at the company I worked at, where two people went into a tank being commissioned, ignoring the confined spaces rules, & discovered the tank was being purged with Nitrogen. They went down immediately, & another person saw this, & rushed in; & also went down; at which point common sense broke out, & everyone had to wait for the ERT to arrive with BA, to retrieve the bodies.
In the twenty years I was at the company, Nitrogen was most dangerous gas, but everyone was afraid of the exotic ones.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 2:23 pm
by weegie01
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 2:12 pmYeah; I remember one at the company I worked at, where two people went into a tank being commissioned, ignoring the confined spaces rules, & discovered the tank was being purged with Nitrogen. They went down immediately, & another person saw this, & rushed in; & also went down; at which point common sense broke out, & everyone had to wait for the ERT to arrive with BA, to retrieve the bodies.
In the twenty years I was at the company, Nitrogen was most dangerous gas, but everyone was afraid of the exotic ones.
Remember the Nevin Spence incident?
His brother went into a slurry pit after a dog, he was overcome. Nevin went in after his brother and he was overcome. Then the father went in after his sons and he died as well. I am pretty sure the sister nearly died as well.
Edit
I have just Googled it to jog my memory. The sister got one out, and was overcome rescuing a second, but pulled out. Afterwards the sister was asked if she understood the risks, to which she replied "Yes, but when it comes to the love of your family..."
I've spent years working in a reasonably high risk industry, underground mining. Risk is managed through various means... there's a saying in the Australian mining game that only aviation is more heavily regulated.
A big part of that risk management is the duty of care you are required to observe...that being that you do not expose yourself and others to (potential) harm as a result of your actions.
The first impulse is to rush in and help. If someone has managed to electrocute themselves and you run in and grab them, you're fucked as well. Then you've created two problems when there was one. The same goes for any accident / incident occurrence... it's not about something to hide behind, that's just offensive ignorance. Trained personnel assess risk as a matter of course... there's no point in exposing more people to the risk of harm before a plan and / or necessary equipment can be organised.
Of course, if Paddy Knowitall wants to rush on in and be a hero, by all means... step aside and let him go.
I've heard of several confined spaces cases of multiple deaths e.g. farm silos where people have dived in to help. Human nature really, not to watch someone die and do nothing about it.
Yeah; I remember one at the company I worked at, where two people went into a tank being commissioned, ignoring the confined spaces rules, & discovered the tank was being purged with Nitrogen. They went down immediately, & another person saw this, & rushed in; & also went down; at which point common sense broke out, & everyone had to wait for the ERT to arrive with BA, to retrieve the bodies.
In the twenty years I was at the company, Nitrogen was most dangerous gas, but everyone was afraid of the exotic ones.
Leixlip?
Thing with nitrogen is that you're gone before you know there's a problem.
CO2 in breweries is another big hazard. Guinness regularly close the tunnels under James Street because of CO2.
CO2 is a horrible way to go. You know you're being suffocated.
I've heard of several confined spaces cases of multiple deaths e.g. farm silos where people have dived in to help. Human nature really, not to watch someone die and do nothing about it.
Yeah; I remember one at the company I worked at, where two people went into a tank being commissioned, ignoring the confined spaces rules, & discovered the tank was being purged with Nitrogen. They went down immediately, & another person saw this, & rushed in; & also went down; at which point common sense broke out, & everyone had to wait for the ERT to arrive with BA, to retrieve the bodies.
In the twenty years I was at the company, Nitrogen was most dangerous gas, but everyone was afraid of the exotic ones.
Leixlip?
Thing with nitrogen is that you're gone before you know there's a problem.
CO2 in breweries is another big hazard. Guinness regularly close the tunnels under James Street because of CO2.
CO2 is a horrible way to go. You know you're being suffocated.
Yep
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:23 pm
by Uncle fester
You're a bit older than I thought you were. I look after a good chunk of the nitrogen at the site these days.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:31 pm
by fishfoodie
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:23 pm
You're a bit older than I thought you were. I look after a good chunk of the nitrogen at the site these days.
You work for *** ?
When I started there Air Products were running the Air plant, & Gas pad, & they used to send tankers of excess Nitrogen, & sell it to Guinness.
I used to chat a good bit with them, because I was in the ERT when I worked in Manufacturing, & we'd drill together, & they'd give us tours of the parts of the plant they ran, so we'd know our way around if things went pear shaped. I was there for Fab 10 startup, straight out of DIT
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 12:09 pm
by Grandpa
yermum wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 1:16 pm
I have had a spy drama holiday break.
Slow horses, Litvenenko, Etc
Got me thinking that Putin fella might be a bad egg.
Thanks for the slow horses recommendation this place though slow does come up with the goods
I loved Slow Horses as well. Gary Oldman at his farting, darting best!
Apparently... Under the Banner of Heaven is worth a watch too. So that's on my to do list.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 5:01 pm
by BnM
Blood Origin wasn't as bad as the reviews on IMDB made out. Only 4 eps so not a lot to lose.
Liam Hemsworth in Witcher - not seeing it.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 5:35 pm
by Uncle fester
BnM wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 5:01 pm
Blood Origin wasn't as bad as the reviews on IMDB made out. Only 4 eps so not a lot to lose.
Liam Hemsworth in Witcher - not seeing it.
The fanboi cribbing about anything to do with the series is something to behold. Suppose it's quite coincidental that the series creator is female.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 6:13 pm
by Guy Smiley
BnM wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 5:01 pm
Blood Origin wasn't as bad as the reviews on IMDB made out. Only 4 eps so not a lot to lose.
Liam Hemsworth in Witcher - not seeing it.
I'm not a die hard fan of it all but I did watch the first... I thought it was awful. Poor acting, clumsy and wooden while the story didn't quite hold itself up. Hardly the end of the world, though. Some of the settings were stunning, I'm guessing some of it was shot in Iceland?
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:10 pm
by BnM
I thought he was good in Amazon's rings of power but as chip on shoulder scheming mage he was very poor, depth of a puddle. Be interesting to see next season of Witcher, they must have chosen Hemsworth for a reason.
BnM wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 5:01 pm
Blood Origin wasn't as bad as the reviews on IMDB made out. Only 4 eps so not a lot to lose.
Liam Hemsworth in Witcher - not seeing it.
I'm not a die hard fan of it all but I did watch the first... I thought it was awful. Poor acting, clumsy and wooden while the story didn't quite hold itself up. Hardly the end of the world, though. Some of the settings were stunning, I'm guessing some of it was shot in Iceland?
BnM wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 5:01 pm
Blood Origin wasn't as bad as the reviews on IMDB made out. Only 4 eps so not a lot to lose.
Liam Hemsworth in Witcher - not seeing it.
I'm not a die hard fan of it all but I did watch the first... I thought it was awful. Poor acting, clumsy and wooden while the story didn't quite hold itself up. Hardly the end of the world, though. Some of the settings were stunning, I'm guessing some of it was shot in Iceland?
The time jumping in the first series didn't really work but it was promising enough to merit watching second season which was a good bit better.
If you go in expecting GOT or a recreation of the books, you're going to be disappointed but its an okay show in it's own right.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:46 pm
by Uncle fester
Staying on fantasy series, watched House Of The Dragon over Xmas. It's not bad but the set piece to finish episode 9 is GOT season 8 level "shit plot but look at the action" crap.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:51 pm
by BnM
I liked the Witcher.
Only watched the first few episodes of HOD. Will watch the rest but tbh Season 8 killed it all for me. Sounds a bit dramatic but...don't care enough now to bother much.
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:46 pm
Staying on fantasy series, watched House Of The Dragon over Xmas. It's not bad but the set piece to finish episode 9 is GOT season 8 level "shit plot but look at the action" crap.
Did you think. I thought it was good. Not amazing or anything but good stuff
The bit I referred to was an unpleasant flashback. Was enjoying it otherwise. Matt Smith is great fun.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 11:24 pm
by mat the expat
Just binged all 3 series of Mr Mercedes
I could just watch Brendan Gleeson read a cornflake box - fantastic swearing all the way through!
Shame it got cancelled
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:02 am
by Uncle fester
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:29 pm
Yeah he's very good in it. Can't remember the flashback
Spoiler
Show
Older aunt who could have ended the war in one fell swoop but decided to leave them all alive because reasons.
Bullet wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:33 am
Gave up on 1899 after 20 minutes before but wife wanted to watch so started again and really enjoying it now.
Still 2 episodes to go, don't know if trying too hard but it's starting to loose a bit.
Was good up to about episode 6. Once they moved off the ship, it flags. Shame because I loved Dark but the creators need to move on a bit.
Emily Beecham is a total fox.
Agreed on both counts.
And it's cancelled.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:12 am
by Grandpa
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:46 pm
Staying on fantasy series, watched House Of The Dragon over Xmas. It's not bad but the set piece to finish episode 9 is GOT season 8 level "shit plot but look at the action" crap.
Don't do what I did and start watching GOT again... you then realise how poor HOD is in comparison... it's like a dumbed down version in terms of script and budget...
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:26 pm
by yermum
Shame they never made a final series of GOT would be great to see the story brought to a satisfying conclusion
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:23 pm
by BnM
They cancelled 1899 ffs.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:18 pm
by Jock42
Thats saved me 3 or 4 hours then.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:21 pm
by Uncle fester
yermum wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:26 pm
Shame they never made a final series of GOT would be great to see the story brought to a satisfying conclusion
True but at least we got six great seasons. GRRM will be finished the books soon and we'll get to see how it was meant to pan out.
Was good up to about episode 6. Once they moved off the ship, it flags. Shame because I loved Dark but the creators need to move on a bit.
Emily Beecham is a total fox.
Agreed on both counts.
And it's cancelled.
Can understand why. Got progressively sillier and not very satisfying payoff. Will check out their previous series tho
Just finished up HOTD and quite pleasantly surprised. Expectations weren't high due to lack of GRRM source material but some clangers aside, very watchable and Considine was excellent.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:26 pm
by Grandpa
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:16 pm
Frasier on its way back and its going to be savaged. As a massive fan, watching it now, bet it will crash and burn. As it is I find it hard to suspend disbelief knowing that Granmer is a Trump supporting twat but I just about manage to pretend. The Frasier of old was an empathetic core surrounded by a bit of me me me. There is no way we can square that circle now we know Grammer is a total twat. Am surprised Paramount can't see that.
Hated him in Cheers... liked his onscreen wife Lilith though...
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:16 pm
Frasier on its way back and its going to be savaged. As a massive fan, watching it now, bet it will crash and burn. As it is I find it hard to suspend disbelief knowing that Granmer is a Trump supporting twat but I just about manage to pretend. The Frasier of old was an empathetic core surrounded by a bit of me me me. There is no way we can square that circle now we know Grammer is a total twat. Am surprised Paramount can't see that.
Hated him in Cheers... liked his onscreen wife Lilith though...
It had lots of strong characters. Niles is great as is Lilith in her cameos. People love Daphne, I was less on that train. To be fair Grammer was also very good but no different to James Woods turning up in something now, knowing they are complete fuscking idiots makes it too hard to watch them. Don't get me wrong I can handle a conservative actor just not a Trump supporting one
I must have spotted he was an idiot before he even knew himself..
Agree on James Woods also... another actor I never warmed to.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 9:47 pm
by tabascoboy
They were talking about this as a movie for years, but nothing seemed to be coming from it. Didn't know it was now done as a TV show...not that I can watch it but hope it does the story justice
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:22 pm
by Sandstorm
The Menu. Weird, annoying and depressing.
I shall be recommending it to people I don’t like.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:52 pm
by Biffer
Admission time.
One of my secret pleasures is Call The Midwife.
I think its great.
Re: The best new and returning TV series thread
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:30 am
by tabascoboy
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 9:47 pm
They were talking about this as a movie for years, but nothing seemed to be coming from it. Didn't know it was now done as a TV show...not that I can watch it but hope it does the story justice
Reaction to the first episode seems pretty positive - well mostly (reflects my own first time game experience )
