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Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:48 am
by Sandstorm
Blackmac wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:18 am
Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 2:27 pm
SaintK wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 1:59 pm
...........or maybe slightly before.
The shambles of a decision in not putting India on the red list immediately and letting 20k+ people in untracked and untraced in that period just beacause the blonde slug was still hoping that his high profile visit to India would still go ahead will cost us dear.
Almost 7% positive tests on people arriving from India in the weeks before the red list. It's a fine way to kickstart a new wave.
Coupled with the fact that the Asian community have already claimed that they were disproportionately affected by the financial aspects of Covid as most are self employed or small business owners. Expecting them to voluntarily self isolate was just bonkers.
Tax dodgers are also rule breakers non-shock.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:08 am
by Biffer
Out and out racism there.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:16 am
by tc27
Biffer wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 1:47 pm He's going to pile on and then pull the carpet out from underneath people on the 20th,similar to the farce around Christmas.

Pretty sure Scotland will delay the additional opening up scheduled for the 7th across most of the country.
Lools like they key is getting as many vaccinated as quick as possible:



Wales is showing the way here..other parts of the UK should follow their lead.

FWIW The view from my friend in Scotland is that the blue letters are not working in the younger cohorts and its time to drop the branding excercise and copy the systems in place in Wales.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:43 am
by SaintK
So at last after weeks of dithering a dedicated terminal has been opened at Heathrow for direct flights from red list countries.
Though passemgers arriving from red list countries on connecting flights will still be allowed to mingle with everybody.
Better very late than never I guess. Though if the government had moved to fund it earlier Heathrow reckon Terminal 3 could have been taken out of mothballs a lot sooner!!!!

Heathrow has begun processing arrivals from red list countries in a dedicated terminal following concerns about them mixing with other passengers.
Travellers arriving from red list nations on direct flights are being taken to Terminal 3.
Passengers travelling to the UK on connecting flights from red list locations continue to transit through the airport alongside those from green and amber countries

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:55 am
by Slick
Will be interesting to see what happens with COP26.

Can't see the FM allowing 1/4 million people from all round the world come to Glasgow in November. Can see Boris pushing it as far as he can, possibly even suggesting a change of venue.

Just can't see it happening at the moment.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:12 am
by Sandstorm
Biffer wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:08 am Out and out racism there.
I'm calling out all small business owners, not just the brown ones. You loon.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:15 am
by Sandstorm
SaintK wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:43 am
Passengers travelling to the UK on connecting flights from red list locations
Astounding that this is still a thing...... :crazy:

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:53 am
by Saint
SaintK wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:43 am So at last after weeks of dithering a dedicated terminal has been opened at Heathrow for direct flights from red list countries.
Though passemgers arriving from red list countries on connecting flights will still be allowed to mingle with everybody.
Better very late than never I guess. Though if the government had moved to fund it earlier Heathrow reckon Terminal 3 could have been taken out of mothballs a lot sooner!!!!

Heathrow has begun processing arrivals from red list countries in a dedicated terminal following concerns about them mixing with other passengers.
Travellers arriving from red list nations on direct flights are being taken to Terminal 3.
Passengers travelling to the UK on connecting flights from red list locations continue to transit through the airport alongside those from green and amber countries
Exactly- this has been all about funding. If they'd funded this earlier by now they'd have been out of T3 and ensconced in the long term red list terminal, T4. As it is, that stage is still a couple of months away

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:11 am
by GogLais
tc27 wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:16 am
Biffer wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 1:47 pm He's going to pile on and then pull the carpet out from underneath people on the 20th,similar to the farce around Christmas.

Pretty sure Scotland will delay the additional opening up scheduled for the 7th across most of the country.
Lools like they key is getting as many vaccinated as quick as possible:



Wales is showing the way here..other parts of the UK should follow their lead.

FWIW The view from my friend in Scotland is that the blue letters are not working in the younger cohorts and its time to drop the branding excercise and copy the systems in place in Wales.
There was something about this on the radio. What Wales are doing is getting vaccine into people ASAP, on a sort of just in time basis. It’s worked so far, the risk they’re taking is that if there’s a supply problem people won’t get their second jab within however many weeks it should be.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:57 pm
by Biffer
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:12 am
Biffer wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:08 am Out and out racism there.
I'm calling out all small business owners, not just the brown ones. You loon.
Sure, that's what it came over as.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:25 pm
by Sandstorm
Biffer wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:57 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:12 am
Biffer wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:08 am Out and out racism there.
I'm calling out all small business owners, not just the brown ones. You loon.
Sure, that's what it came over as.
That's your problem, then.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:56 pm
by Rinkals
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:25 pm
Biffer wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:57 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:12 am

I'm calling out all small business owners, not just the brown ones. You loon.
Sure, that's what it came over as.
That's your problem, then.
The context of your remark was in relation to most Asians being 'self-employed or small business owners'.
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:48 am
Blackmac wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:18 am Coupled with the fact that the Asian community have already claimed that they were disproportionately affected by the financial aspects of Covid as most are self employed or small business owners. Expecting them to voluntarily self isolate was just bonkers.
Tax dodgers are also rule breakers non-shock.
If that wasn't what you were intending to convey, you should have made it clearer. I must say, that was how it came over to me, too, but I was prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:55 pm
by Calculon
Interesting experiment in Brazil where a whole town was vaccinated to see what percentage of adults need to be vaccinated to contain covid infections

The city was divided into four areas to help determine the threshold for containing the virus. The team said this was achieved after three areas, or about 75% of the population over the age of 18, had been given both doses.

When 95% of adults were fully vaccinated, they said the results showed that:

Deaths fell by 95%
Hospitalisations fell by 86%
Symptomatic cases fell by 80%

Ricardo Palacios, research director at Butantan, said the key figure was the 75%.

"The most important result is that we can control the pandemic without having to vaccinate the whole population," he said.

Mr Palacios also said there was a decline in the number of cases among children and teenagers, who had not been vaccinated. This could indicate that there was no need to vaccinate children for schools to reopen, he said

The experiment in Serrana was the first of its kind in the world, its authors said. There were no reports of severe side effects from the vaccine and no Covid-related deaths among those who had been vaccinated 14 days after the second shot was applied, the results showed.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57309538

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:01 pm
by Sandstorm
Calculon wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:55 pm Interesting experiment in Brazil where a whole town was vaccinated to see what percentage of adults need to be vaccinated to contain covid infections

The city was divided into four areas to help determine the threshold for containing the virus. The team said this was achieved after three areas, or about 75% of the population over the age of 18, had been given both doses.

When 95% of adults were fully vaccinated, they said the results showed that:

Deaths fell by 95%
Hospitalisations fell by 86%
Symptomatic cases fell by 80%

Ricardo Palacios, research director at Butantan, said the key figure was the 75%.

"The most important result is that we can control the pandemic without having to vaccinate the whole population," he said.

Mr Palacios also said there was a decline in the number of cases among children and teenagers, who had not been vaccinated. This could indicate that there was no need to vaccinate children for schools to reopen, he said

The experiment in Serrana was the first of its kind in the world, its authors said. There were no reports of severe side effects from the vaccine and no Covid-related deaths among those who had been vaccinated 14 days after the second shot was applied, the results showed.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57309538
There'll be an absolute clamour by the remaining anti-vaxers to demand they be part of the 25% who get excluded from jabs. Whether we should trust Brazil's science-type guys at this time is also up for debate.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:25 pm
by tc27
Despite rises in cases zero deaths recorded today in the UK (and zero in England yesterday too) and hospitilations remaining flattish.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:32 pm
by Calculon
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:01 pm
Calculon wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:55 pm Interesting experiment in Brazil where a whole town was vaccinated to see what percentage of adults need to be vaccinated to contain covid infections

The city was divided into four areas to help determine the threshold for containing the virus. The team said this was achieved after three areas, or about 75% of the population over the age of 18, had been given both doses.

When 95% of adults were fully vaccinated, they said the results showed that:

Deaths fell by 95%
Hospitalisations fell by 86%
Symptomatic cases fell by 80%

Ricardo Palacios, research director at Butantan, said the key figure was the 75%.

"The most important result is that we can control the pandemic without having to vaccinate the whole population," he said.

Mr Palacios also said there was a decline in the number of cases among children and teenagers, who had not been vaccinated. This could indicate that there was no need to vaccinate children for schools to reopen, he said

The experiment in Serrana was the first of its kind in the world, its authors said. There were no reports of severe side effects from the vaccine and no Covid-related deaths among those who had been vaccinated 14 days after the second shot was applied, the results showed.
.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57309538
There'll be an absolute clamour by the remaining anti-vaxers to demand they be part of the 25% who get excluded from jabs. Whether we should trust Brazil's science-type guys at this time is also up for debate.
First Asians, now Brazilians, you're on a bit of a roll. Scientific research is incredibly multinational and I'm sure there would be many nationalities involved in this particular bit of research. One of my former colleagues, an excellent researcher on probiotics, went to do research at a Brazilian institute. He is Bulgarian.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:37 pm
by Calculon
Another iron in the fire
WHO approves Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine, 2nd Chinese-made dose listed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica ... ar-AAKBbYX

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:49 am
by Sandstorm
Our Mumbai call centre has been decimated by Covid, dozens tested positive and isolating, several staff in hospital and the rest working from home (where possible as most use desktop PCs, not laptops and the office is closed so they can't dash in and take one home).

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:12 pm
by fishfoodie
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:49 am Our Mumbai call centre has been decimated by Covid, dozens tested positive and isolating, several staff in hospital and the rest working from home (where possible as most use desktop PCs, not laptops and the office is closed so they can't dash in and take one home).
I'm hearing similar stuff from our ops there; & our people are lucky that they've been able to wfh thru this.

The media may have forgotten it; but a catastrophe is unfolding in India

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:31 pm
by Marylandolorian
fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:12 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:49 am Our Mumbai call centre has been decimated by Covid, dozens tested positive and isolating, several staff in hospital and the rest working from home (where possible as most use desktop PCs, not laptops and the office is closed so they can't dash in and take one home).
I'm hearing similar stuff from our ops there; & our people are lucky that they've been able to wfh thru this.

The media may have forgotten it; but a catastrophe is unfolding in India
Most of the medias I read/watch are estimating that at least 600 000 have died and over 4 millions have been infected. Beside the human toll, It will be catastrophic if the manufacturing industry dont have enough workers.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:45 am
by Openside
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:12 am
Biffer wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:08 am Out and out racism there.
I'm calling out all small business owners, not just the brown ones. You loon.
Stop it Sandstorm you are killing his virtual signalling buzz! :thumbdown:

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:11 am
by BnM
Just started work at 12. 30mins before decide to have a shower, so hair's still in turban, I can sit here in a towel, having a coffee, grumbling about the fecker trimming a tree/hedge/whatever outside so I can't have my windows open because dog, who I get to spend the day with. I'm loving this side effect of Covid.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:04 pm
by TB63
Not loving the fact that I have a chest infection and running hot and cold sweats for last 4 days. Then being told to get a test everytime I phone my gp, even though I've had a negative result, still refusing to give me an appointment.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:23 pm
by Saint
No new countries to be added to the Green list. It's believed that some may be removed, and there's a strong expectation that a number of countries will move from Amber to Red

Edit - now leaking that Portugal will move from Green to Amber

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:34 pm
by Saint
Moving to the Red list:

Afghanistan
Bahrain
Costa Rica
Egypt
Sudan
Trinidad and Tobago
Sri Lanka

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:49 pm
by Slick
Saint wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:23 pm No new countries to be added to the Green list. It's believed that some may be removed, and there's a strong expectation that a number of countries will move from Amber to Red

Edit - now leaking that Portugal will move from Green to Amber
:lolno: fucking hell, just after allowing tens of thousands of people to go on holiday there and tens of thousands more with bookings. This is terrifyingly inept.

How on earth are Egypt and Sri Lanka only just going red!

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:01 pm
by Sandstorm
Slick wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:49 pm
:lolno: fucking hell, just after allowing tens of thousands of people to go on holiday there and tens of thousands more with bookings. This is terrifyingly inept.
Nope, it's par for the course for this lot and EXACLY what many of us said would happen. Stunning.


"But, but people need their overseas summer holidays or they'll riot....." :crazy:

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:02 pm
by Slick
Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:01 pm
Slick wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:49 pm
:lolno: fucking hell, just after allowing tens of thousands of people to go on holiday there and tens of thousands more with bookings. This is terrifyingly inept.
Nope, it's par for the course for this lot and EXACLY what many of us said would happen. Stunning.


"But, but people need their overseas summer holidays or they'll riot....." :crazy:
It was so obvious it would happen!

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:05 pm
by BnM
Awwww shit no, not Afghanistan. :bimbo:

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:38 pm
by SaintK
Openside wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:45 am
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:12 am
Biffer wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:08 am Out and out racism there.
I'm calling out all small business owners, not just the brown ones. You loon.
Stop it Sandstorm you are killing his virtual signalling buzz! :thumbdown:
What's he virtually signalling?

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:20 pm
by Openside
SaintK wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:38 pm
Openside wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:45 am
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:12 am

I'm calling out all small business owners, not just the brown ones. You loon.
Stop it Sandstorm you are killing his virtual signalling buzz! :thumbdown:
What's he virtually signalling?
His readiness to call out racism where none exists (as Sandstorm pointed out)

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:24 pm
by Openside
Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:01 pm
Slick wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:49 pm
:lolno: fucking hell, just after allowing tens of thousands of people to go on holiday there and tens of thousands more with bookings. This is terrifyingly inept.
Nope, it's par for the course for this lot and EXACLY what many of us said would happen. Stunning.


"But, but people need their overseas summer holidays or they'll riot....." :crazy:
Its not quite as simple as that there are airlines and companies that obviously would be better to survive the pandemic and we need to open up as soon as possible etc. What I don't understand is if there is a reason to put a country on the red list it should happen immediately not with a weeks notice to allow every diseased decker to jump on a plane back to the UK without quarantining...

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:25 pm
by SaintK
Openside wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:20 pm
SaintK wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:38 pm
Openside wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:45 am

Stop it Sandstorm you are killing his virtual signalling buzz! :thumbdown:
What's he virtually signalling?
His readiness to call out racism where none exists (as Sandstorm pointed out)
...............ah, I thought that was called virtue signalling

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:27 pm
by Openside
SaintK wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:25 pm
Openside wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:20 pm
SaintK wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:38 pm
What's he virtually signalling?
His readiness to call out racism where none exists (as Sandstorm pointed out)
...............ah, I thought that was called virtue signalling
Erm it is :???:

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:39 pm
by SaintK
Openside wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:27 pm
SaintK wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:25 pm
Openside wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:20 pm
His readiness to call out racism where none exists (as Sandstorm pointed out)
...............ah, I thought that was called virtue signalling
Erm it is :???:
Got it, your original post was an amusing typo then??

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:49 pm
by Raggs
I thought it came across as racist too. Quoted post was clearly talking about Asians.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:13 pm
by Saint
Openside wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:24 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:01 pm
Slick wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:49 pm
:lolno: fucking hell, just after allowing tens of thousands of people to go on holiday there and tens of thousands more with bookings. This is terrifyingly inept.
Nope, it's par for the course for this lot and EXACLY what many of us said would happen. Stunning.


"But, but people need their overseas summer holidays or they'll riot....." :crazy:
Its not quite as simple as that there are airlines and companies that obviously would be better to survive the pandemic and we need to open up as soon as possible etc. What I don't understand is if there is a reason to put a country on the red list it should happen immediately not with a weeks notice to allow every diseased decker to jump on a plane back to the UK without quarantining...
It's not quite that bad - no country is moving from Green to Red. The countries moving to Red are moving from Amber, so it's moving from isolation to quarantine

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:43 pm
by Enzedder
Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:01 pm
Slick wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:49 pm
:lolno: fucking hell, just after allowing tens of thousands of people to go on holiday there and tens of thousands more with bookings. This is terrifyingly inept.
Nope, it's par for the course for this lot and EXACLY what many of us said would happen. Stunning.


"But, but people need their overseas summer holidays or they'll riot....." :crazy:
Did the holiday makers infect the place?

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:07 am
by tabascoboy
2nd jab done (AZ)! Hurt a bit more than the first one did...no waiting for the 15 mins unless you are driving.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:23 am
by JM2K6
Raggs wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:49 pm I thought it came across as racist too. Quoted post was clearly talking about Asians.
Yep. Not exactly subtle.