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petej wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:46 am

SaintK wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:41 am The latest "worst" PM ever

Liz Truss: 81,326

Rishi Sunak: 60,399

Electorate: 172,437

Turnout: 82.6%

Rejected ballot papers: 654

Closer than I thought it would be.

You have to ask are pollsters predicting results or influencing them?

So with 30 000 not voting for whatever reason, the new leader of the country is chosen by just under 142 000 people...

Liz Truss wants to change the law to require 50% of a workforce to vote "yes" in order for a strike to go ahead

Liz Truss just won 47% of support from the Conservative membership to become leader

tabascoboy wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:16 pm So with 30 000 not voting for whatever reason, the new leader of the country is chosen by just under 142 000 people...

Liz Truss wants to change the law to require 50% of a workforce to vote "yes" in order for a strike to go ahead

Liz Truss just won 47% of support from the Conservative membership to become leader

......................and a lot less than that in the initial votes by Conservative MP's at the sstart of this charade

I like neeps wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:11 pm

petej wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:46 am

SaintK wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:41 am The latest "worst" PM ever

Liz Truss: 81,326

Rishi Sunak: 60,399

Electorate: 172,437

Turnout: 82.6%

Rejected ballot papers: 654

Closer than I thought it would be.

You have to ask are pollsters predicting results or influencing them?

Both. Polls can fire up a voting base or lead to it staying at home.

SaintK wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:23 pm

tabascoboy wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:16 pm So with 30 000 not voting for whatever reason, the new leader of the country is chosen by just under 142 000 people...

Liz Truss wants to change the law to require 50% of a workforce to vote "yes" in order for a strike to go ahead

Liz Truss just won 47% of support from the Conservative membership to become leader

......................and a lot less than that in the initial votes by Conservative MP's at the sstart of this charade

Tories under a totally different leader got their large majority from well under 50% of the vote.

petej wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:46 am

SaintK wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:41 am The latest "worst" PM ever

Liz Truss: 81,326

Rishi Sunak: 60,399

Electorate: 172,437

Turnout: 82.6%

Rejected ballot papers: 654

Closer than I thought it would be.

Probably closer than all the MPs thought who declared for Truss after the first poll indicated she was going to win at a canter. Wonder how much momentum that gave her campaign.

She wants to deliver from Kiev to Carlisle. Does she even know scotland ni and Wales exist or does she not care

Democracy is ailing throughout the world because it does not deliver for its constituents. At this point its just a sham to confer some legitimacy on governments who fuck over Joe Average in order to benefit their mega rich donors.

And 1 guest wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:00 pm She wants to deliver from Kiev to Carlisle. Does she even know scotland ni and Wales exist or does she not care

It's a rhetorical device, I wouldn't get too upset about it

One down...well she would have been given the boot anyway

And 1 guest wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:00 pm She wants to deliver from Kiev to Carlisle. Does she even know scotland ni and Wales exist or does she not care

She's starting from a very low point wherever!

Two thirds of people have little or no confidence in Truss to tackle cost of living crisis, poll suggests
Britons are not enthusiastic about the election of Liz Truss as the new Conservative leader, making her the next prime minister, new polling from YouGov suggests.

Two thirds of Britons have little or no confidence in her to tackle the cost of living crisis, the poll suggests – and more than half of Conservative voters have little or no confidence in her on this issue.

By more than two to one, Britons are disappointed rather than pleased to see her as the new PM.

And only 14% of Britons – and only 17% of Conservative voters – think she will be an improvement on Boris Johnson.

tabascoboy wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:55 pm One down...well she would have been given the boot anyway

I'm sure her resignation letter will be full of praise for the blonde slug and will also highlight all the huge successes she achieved in office.
Quite simply one of the worst and most useless Home Secretary's in my lifetime!
Allegedly to be replaced by Braverman who has the potential to be worse
Edit/
Yep just read some of it, utterly delusional!!!!

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:28 pm

And 1 guest wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:00 pm She wants to deliver from Kiev to Carlisle. Does she even know scotland ni and Wales exist or does she not care

It's a rhetorical device, I wouldn't get too upset about it

Kiev to Kirkcaldy alliterates similarly and doesn't give the expectation that her interests stop at the English border.

robmatic wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:32 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:28 pm

And 1 guest wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:00 pm She wants to deliver from Kiev to Carlisle. Does she even know scotland ni and Wales exist or does she not care

It's a rhetorical device, I wouldn't get too upset about it

Kiev to Kirkcaldy alliterates similarly and doesn't give the expectation that her interests stop at the English border.

You should savor it; it may be the only time she lets an honest statement slip from her lips.

When she visits The Queen tomorrow, I wonder if her Maj will ask Truss if she still supports the abolition of the monarchy?

SaintK wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:01 pm

tabascoboy wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:55 pm One down...well she would have been given the boot anyway

I'm sure her resignation letter will be full of praise for the blonde slug and will also highlight all the huge successes she achieved in office.
Quite simply one of the worst and most useless Home Secretary's in my lifetime!
Allegedly to be replaced by Braverman who has the potential to be worse
Edit/
Yep just read some of it, utterly delusional!!!!

Patel was evil and stupid, but occasionally listened to people. That is the very most credit I will give her.

Braverman is worse, stupid and unable to listen, and promoted far, far above her level.

Suella has the ready made nickname, Cruella , so glad that cunt Patel has gone.

No change here then?

The co-director of Liz Truss’s campaign has been lobbying the UK government on behalf of Libya’s controversial parliament and a company that won the biggest PPE deal of the pandemic through the VIP fast-track lane.

Mark Fullbrook, an ally of Boris Johnson’s former strategist Lynton Crosby, is expected to enter Downing Street as Truss’s chief of staff after working on her campaign this summer.

The political consultant set up his own company, Fullbrook Strategies, this spring and has since been lobbying the UK government. His clients included Libya’s house of representatives, which has twice attempted to overthrow the UN-established government of national unity in Tripoli, and Sante Global, formerly Unispace Health, which was awarded a £680m PPE contract in 2020.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics ... ent-ppe

SaintK wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:10 am No change here then?

The co-director of Liz Truss’s campaign has been lobbying the UK government on behalf of Libya’s controversial parliament and a company that won the biggest PPE deal of the pandemic through the VIP fast-track lane.

Mark Fullbrook, an ally of Boris Johnson’s former strategist Lynton Crosby, is expected to enter Downing Street as Truss’s chief of staff after working on her campaign this summer.

The political consultant set up his own company, Fullbrook Strategies, this spring and has since been lobbying the UK government. His clients included Libya’s house of representatives, which has twice attempted to overthrow the UN-established government of national unity in Tripoli, and Sante Global, formerly Unispace Health, which was awarded a £680m PPE contract in 2020.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics ... ent-ppe

The best people.

Only to be expected.
Bullshit, bollocks and lies to the very end!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/l ... tories-

Wasn't Cincinnatus recalled from the plough to take leadership again? Vaguely remembering studying this...

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:48 am Wasn't Cincinnatus recalled from the plough to take leadership again? Vaguely remembering studying this...

Cincinnatus opposed the rights of the common people.

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:48 am Wasn't Cincinnatus recalled from the plough to take leadership again? Vaguely remembering studying this...

Yep. He also used the analogy when he was Mayor of London in 2009

Well, Johnson is talking about Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus, listed in the fasti as consul in 460BC. According to Livy, in 458, when the then consul was besieged by the tribe of the Aequi in the Alban hills south-east of Rome, Cincinnatus was called from his plough. Within 15 days he had assembled an army, been appointed dictator (a temporary title giving emergency power to an individual), defeated the Aequi and returned to his fields. According to Cicero, it was on another occasion later, in 439, that he was called from the plough – but the historical details are here not as important as the moral content. Cincinnatus' role for later Romans was to illustrate the fabled strictness and austerity of their forefathers, and illuminate the ideal of the hardworking, straightforward, straight-talking farmer-soldier.

dpedin wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:00 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:48 am Wasn't Cincinnatus recalled from the plough to take leadership again? Vaguely remembering studying this...

Cincinnatus opposed the rights of the common people.

Yes, but he's generally used as an example of good patrician government. George Washington was often compared to him and I'm 99% sure that's why Cincinnati is named

SaintK wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:23 am Only to be expected.
Bullshit, bollocks and lies to the very end!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/l ... tories-

If you were expecting humility and contrition, you came to the wrong place...

I was one of probably many who had to google Cincinnatus. There is a statue of Cincinnatus holding the fasces, a bundle of chopped wood with the axe head emerging from it.
The fasces is an Italian symbol that had its origin in the Etruscan civilization and was passed on to ancient Rome, where it symbolized a magistrate's power and jurisdiction. (again from Google)

Johnson's government has been something of a similar but not identical spelling

Tichtheid wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:08 am I was one of probably many who had to google Cincinnatus. There is a statue of Cincinnatus holding the fasces, a bundle of chopped wood with the axe head emerging from it.
The fasces is an Italian symbol that had its origin in the Etruscan civilization and was passed on to ancient Rome, where it symbolized a magistrate's power and jurisdiction. (again from Google)

Johnson's government has been something of a similar but not identical spelling

Another shitwitch gooonnneee - though likely to the Lords thanks to the Bumblecunt

tabascoboy wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:14 am Another shitwitch gooonnneee - though likely to the Lords thanks to the Bumblecunt

She can now spend more time writing her books and getting more botox whilst drawing down a daily allowance and expenses in the HoL!

tabascoboy wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:03 am

SaintK wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:23 am Only to be expected.
Bullshit, bollocks and lies to the very end!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/l ... tories-

If you were expecting humility and contrition, you came to the wrong place...

Well when he compared himself to a booster rocket, I doubt I'm the only one who pictured this.

Truss's mate and-author of 'Britannia Unchanied' Skidmore on Politics Live on BBC2 the day she gets PM job. No great surprise! Also 'dark money' funded IEA representative there as well.

tabascoboy wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:14 am Another shitwitch gooonnneee - though likely to the Lords thanks to the Bumblecunt

Falling on his sword so he can inherit her safer Tory seat!

So who do I vote for next time that'll put cannabis legalisation or at least decriminalisation on the agenda?

Or is that a pipe dream?

dabooldawg wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:01 pm So who do I vote for next time that'll put cannabis legalisation or at least decriminalisation on the agenda?

Or is that a pipe dream?

It's a complete and utter irrelevance given the state of our services, the economy and rampant wealth inequality.

Seriously, it could hardly be a less important political issue.

Trussnomics looks like tax cuts mostly for people who don't need them, which will increase the UK's deficit, but this doesn't matter because there'll be growth somehow to mitigate it whilst also pursuing a hard Brexit. This alone is madness, but there's more.

She's also going to spend £100bn (and some say it'll end up more like £200bn) to freeze energy prices, which will be set by government/Truss.

In the first part of these 12 years of the Tories being in power there was austerity to reduce the UK's deficit, it was their explicit policy to not increase UK national debt when interest rates were at a historic low and it was free money. Government services were closed, infrastructure not built etc. Now when debt is becoming more expensive again the "libertarian" wing of the Tory party is committing the UK to pushing its national debt well past 100% of GDP, really just to fund consumption, because they know they cannot get elected again without doing this. No hard truths from Truss about austerity being stupid, and it would've been better in the early 2010s to spend £100bn+ on power/water infrastructure than doing this now. Truss did say she wants the UK to be like Japan, seems like she just meant having a huge debt to GDP ratio, can't see much else Japan-esque.

Still polling at 30%+ are they?

_Os_ wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:09 pm Still polling at 30%+ are they?

Nope, not today!! Last week's fieldwork.

The omens are not good for our new dear leader

SaintK wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:28 pm

_Os_ wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:09 pm Still polling at 30%+ are they?

Nope, not today!! Last week's fieldwork.

They'll get a substantial poll bounce with the energy price cap freeze.