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So we now have a Health Secretary who appears clinically obese...

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:52 pm The omens are not good for our new dear leader

God has spoken

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:13 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:28 pm

_Os_ wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:09 pm Still polling at 30%+ are they?

Nope, not today!! Last week's fieldwork.

They'll get a substantial poll bounce with the energy price cap freeze.

For a couple of weeks or a month at best maybe until the cost of living increases other than energy start biting in the autumn.

The shite she trotted out about "This country was built by people with the strength and determination ... to get us through all the storms we face" made me feel we're going to get another (checks calendar) 27 months of tired old bollocks harking back to a fantasy version of WW2 now only maintained in the minds of boomers who watch The Dambusters every weekend.

Mind you she had just met the Queen, so who knows. Maybe Liz suggested she put that bit in.

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:28 pm

_Os_ wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:09 pm Still polling at 30%+ are they?

Nope, not today!! Last week's fieldwork.

If that can be maintained it's a landslide Tory defeat.

I'm in two minds. On the one hand Tory core support is very large (I've posted about this before, the short version is, for many English people supporting the Tories is core to their identity, this isn't as true with Labour for example under Corbyn they sunk to 20%-ish in polls), so they could add a few % and then have half a chance in a GE. On the other hand opposition is very entrenched against the Tories now, Sunak throwing money everywhere didn't really boost Tory support after mid-2020, Labour support started growing from mid-2021 and the Tories declined.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:22 pm So we now have a Health Secretary who appears clinically obese...

I don't think we should fat shame her.

We should shame her for being an utterly uncaring person who suppressed multiple reports (9?) into the effect of Tory benefits policy causing hardship up to and including death of claimants, and generally being a terrible human being.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:32 pm The shite she trotted out about "This country was built by people with the strength and determination ... to get us through all the storms we face" made me feel we're going to get another (checks calendar) 27 months of tired old bollocks harking back to a fantasy version of WW2 now only maintained in the minds of boomers who watch The Dambusters every weekend.

Mind you she had just met the Queen, so who knows. Maybe Liz suggested she put that bit in.

I was struck by her saying she was going to; "get Britain working again.”.

It's just such a staggeringly moronic thing to say on so many levels.

Doesn't she know you have what Economists consider Full Employment, & that those same Economists, & Business leaders of every type are struggling to recruit people, & there are hundreds, & hundreds of thousands of Vacancies ?

Does she realize that any promises to fix the NHS, or invest in infrastructure are totally fucking meaningless, if there's no-one to fill positions in the NHS, or drive rock trucks, or lay bricks, etc, etc.

And if she gives a shit about leveling up, or helping people out of poverty; then the problem isn't that people aren't working; it's that the people who are working aren't getting a living wage, or there isn't enough people with the skills to fill the vacancies; & these people don't exist, because the Tories have done a shit job at delivering training, & education; & have let the economy rely on foreign labour, & then gone for the hardest possible Brexit, & fucked businesses.

Nicely working yourselves in to a lather over Truss, I see.

Ymx wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:08 pm Nicely working yourselves in to a lather over Truss, I see.

Well it's not like we haven't months to consider how awful the next PM was going to be.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:13 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:28 pm

_Os_ wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:09 pm Still polling at 30%+ are they?

Nope, not today!! Last week's fieldwork.

They'll get a substantial poll bounce with the energy price cap freeze.

It’ll be ffykin disgraceful if whatever solution they come up with is given to the rich and poor.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:22 pm So we now have a Health Secretary who appears clinically obese...

It's almost enough to make you vote yes.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:48 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:22 pm So we now have a Health Secretary who appears clinically obese...

I don't think we should fat shame her.

We should shame her for being an utterly uncaring person who suppressed multiple reports (9?) into the effect of Tory benefits policy causing hardship up to and including death of claimants, and generally being a terrible human being.

She is also a strong anti-abortionist, not quite as extreme and vocal as Rees-Mogg, but not really what want a Health Secretaryh to stand for

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:51 am
She is also a strong anti-abortionist, not quite as extreme and vocal as Rees-Mogg, but not really what want a Health Secretaryh to stand for

Her name suggests she is of strong Irish Catholic stock, the anti abortion and anti same sex equality stances aren't surprising, if repugnant.

Catholicism doesn't have exclusive rights on the bigotry, of course

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:51 am

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:48 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:22 pm So we now have a Health Secretary who appears clinically obese...

I don't think we should fat shame her.

We should shame her for being an utterly uncaring person who suppressed multiple reports (9?) into the effect of Tory benefits policy causing hardship up to and including death of claimants, and generally being a terrible human being.

She is also a strong anti-abortionist, not quite as extreme and vocal as Rees-Mogg, but not really what want a Health Secretaryh to stand for

Hopefully they try it. The tide has turned in the US against Republicans in a number of states because of these policies and the Tories could mobilise the female vote for labour with going after abortion.

Ymx wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:08 pm Nicely working yourselves in to a lather over Truss, I see.

You ain't seen nothing yet!!!!

Looks like we have a very right wing, idealogically Gov driven by ERG and some pretty dodgy fundamentalists then. The most worrying thing to me is the appointment of economic advisors from Taxpayers Alliance and Institute of Economic Affairs. We know these guys are going to follow the Britannia Unchained philosophy and their disaster capitalist model as outlined by JRM's father. Both TA and IEA keep their funding sources close to their chests but it is widely expected that some very dark and dodgy money from extreme right wing US players is involved probably including the likes of Theil et al, who by the way was a great admirer of JRM Snr's books. With the likes of Truss as PM and her author buddy Kwarteng as Chancellor advised by IEA and TA advisors the coup is now complete. Expect tax cuts, decimated public services, destruction of the civil service leadership, selling off of NHS, trade war with EU, deregulation on a massive scale, inflation, interest rates raises which will cause of housing collapse, recession and then a depression and mass unemployment. They have put in place the zealots and the compliant idiots who will do as they are told and who will happily drive through the disaster. To these guys all these things are necessary for the 'green roots' of true capitalism to sprout and grow and for the Sovereign Individual to flourish, although there will be some 'collateral damage' ie most of us, along the way.

The Blonde Bumblecunt was the useless idiot who they used to gain power and get the foothold in Gov. Once it was clear he wasn't going to deliver much more than he had and probably was a bit reluctant to lead the country into the planned disaster (it would have harmed his legacy which was his key objective) then they got rid of him. He was expendable in the wider master plan. However I suspect his reference to Cincinnatus was more about having to come back and rescue the Tory party from these zealots, his reference to the change in the rules was again a reference to him being shafted by his right wing colleagues who broke their promises and ditched him to get the more pliable and driven Truss in power. Even he recognises they will go too far and cause irreparable damage to the UK and he will get dragged into the resulting turmoil.

We have a very very dangerous couple of years to navigate, this winter will be a struggle, and once again we are depending upon the saner and more responsible Tories, are their any left, in parliament to control this bunch of economic and social terrorists. I don't hold out much hope for them rising to the challenge. The nutters are following the plan as described in the Sovereign Individual and Britannia Unchained, don't say you weren't warned. Buckle up!

Pie give the Yanks a State of the Nation

I suppose we should all pretend not to remember that Pie was happy shilling for the Russian state until it became socially embarrassing.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:22 pm So we now have a Health Secretary who appears clinically obese...

Yup. Pointed out on FB that she's the ideal candidate for Health Sec
a) She's totally unhealthy.
b) She's a hardcore Catholic who does not believe in abortion and voted against abortion rights in NI. She thinks anyone seeing a GP for multiple abortions should have mandatory referral to mental health and the abortion window cut to 12 weeks. And she's now in charge of the nation's womens' health? I assume Gary Glitter is pencilled in for head of child welfare?

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:48 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:08 pm Nicely working yourselves in to a lather over Truss, I see.

You ain't seen nothing yet!!!!

Yep, I’m aware. I occasionally click in to this thread when I find the views on Twitter far too mild.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:24 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:22 pm So we now have a Health Secretary who appears clinically obese...

Yup. Pointed out on FB that she's the ideal candidate for Health Sec
a) She's totally unhealthy.
b) She's a hardcore Catholic who does not believe in abortion and voted against abortion rights in NI. She thinks anyone seeing a GP for multiple abortions should have mandatory referral to mental health and the abortion window cut to 12 weeks. And she's now in charge of the nation's womens' health? I assume Gary Glitter is pencilled in for head of child welfare?

She isn't though - if she wanted to make changes to abortion law it would be in an act of parliament and that would either be voted down or electorally very punishing. So it just won't happen...

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:45 am I suppose we should all pretend not to remember that Pie was happy shilling for the Russian state until it became socially embarrassing.

From what I can gather Walker's Pie character appeared on Russia Today for several months in early 2016.

He's described himself as being naïve because RT offered him total control of his content where others didn't. He said it was a bit like Steve Coogan working for Sky

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:40 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:45 am I suppose we should all pretend not to remember that Pie was happy shilling for the Russian state until it became socially embarrassing.

From what I can gather Walker's Pie character appeared on Russia Today for several months in early 2016.

He's described himself as being naïve because RT offered him total control of his content where others didn't. He said it was a bit like Steve Coogan working for Sky

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:59 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:40 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:45 am I suppose we should all pretend not to remember that Pie was happy shilling for the Russian state until it became socially embarrassing.

From what I can gather Walker's Pie character appeared on Russia Today for several months in early 2016.

He's described himself as being naïve because RT offered him total control of his content where others didn't. He said it was a bit like Steve Coogan working for Sky

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The part about Coogan is an opinion, is the first part factually incorrect?

I honestly don't know because I've only been aware of Pie for three years or so.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:01 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:59 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:40 am

From what I can gather Walker's Pie character appeared on Russia Today for several months in early 2016.

He's described himself as being naïve because RT offered him total control of his content where others didn't. He said it was a bit like Steve Coogan working for Sky

smug picture

The part about Coogan is an opinion, is the first part factually incorrect?

I honestly don't know because I've only been aware of Pie for three years or so.

Sky are not comparable to Russia Today, pretty blindingly obvious.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:02 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:01 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:59 am

smug picture

The part about Coogan is an opinion, is the first part factually incorrect?

I honestly don't know because I've only been aware of Pie for three years or so.

Sky are not comparable to Russia Today, pretty blindingly obvious.

Is the first part about how long he appeared on RT and how long ago correct?

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:03 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:02 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:01 am


The part about Coogan is an opinion, is the first part factually incorrect?

I honestly don't know because I've only been aware of Pie for three years or so.

Sky are not comparable to Russia Today, pretty blindingly obvious.

Is the first part about how long he appeared on RT and how long ago correct?

No idea, I'm not his agent

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:07 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:03 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:02 am
Sky are not comparable to Russia Today, pretty blindingly obvious.

Is the first part about how long he appeared on RT and how long ago correct?

No idea, I'm not his agent

Perhaps not but you were desperate to discredit him because of the association with RT, or at least it read that way.

He appeared on RT six years ago so he can't criticise the Tories.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:11 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:07 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:03 am


Is the first part about how long he appeared on RT and how long ago correct?

No idea, I'm not his agent

Perhaps not but you were desperate to discredit him because of the association with RT, or at least it read that way.

He appeared on RT six years ago so he can't criticise the Tories.

More he took Russian State money so he can fuck right off when talking about integrity and the current state we're in

Well Starmer was incredibly underwhelming.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:17 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:11 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:07 am

No idea, I'm not his agent

Perhaps not but you were desperate to discredit him because of the association with RT, or at least it read that way.

He appeared on RT six years ago so he can't criticise the Tories.

More he took Russian State money so he can fuck right off when talking about integrity and the current state we're in

If Putin himself said that Johnson was a liar and had been sacked for it multiple times it would still be true, wouldn't it?

Well not strictly true since she did at least tweet

Listening to PMQ's Truss' plans sound even more crazy.

We have put ourselves in an incredibly uncompetitive environment with Brexit yet she seems to think we are going to succeed with a few tax cuts to attract massive investment in a hugely competitive global market.

The maddest thing of all is that we are in this crisis now, it is an immediate threat, but this plan of hers, which might make more sense in better times, won't deliver anything for years to come. What is she expecting? Giant international firms to locate to a country on the fringes of the EU, employ workers that don't exist and tax receipts and spending to come flooding in to get us out of this, all in the next few weeks?

It's fucking crazy.

dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:03 am With the likes of Truss as PM and her author buddy Kwarteng as Chancellor

She's done a lot more than write a poorly argued book with him, Google the unredacted leaked Tory whip's blackmail list from 2017.

A lot of the UK media is deep into some crazy manufacturing consent bullshit. They're not reporting a lot of the facts, and when they are they're saying bad things are actually good (Truss has installed her close personal friend as deputy PM for example). All her cabinet selections are pure nepotism, none of it shows any political ability, there's no positions given to some opponents to keep them happier for longer. There's already some talk of 12 Tory MPs preparing to send in no confidence letters, around 90 Tory MPs turned up to wave Johnson goodbye.

As for all the libertarian freaks and the rest of your post. No doubt they've fully taken over the UK government now. Problem for them is, in the UK libertarianism is just an excuse for rich people to not pay taxes (seems to be going that way in the US also?). It's bullshit and has no support from the public in the UK, polls instead show most people want nationalisation of various utilities/services. Most people in the UK want a bigger state. Not many believe Truss when she says cutting taxes will fix everything and make everyone wealthy. Truss and the Britain Unchained crowd have no plan to deliver the high skilled jobs they talk about or "level up", or any of it. Which maybe means the libertarian freakshow will limit their destruction to mass corruption as has now become normal, they gobbled up billions during the Covid crisis, looks like they're going to gobble up more billions during the energy crisis. Tends to be how corruption works, it's self perpetuating and grows in scale.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:32 am She isn't though - if she wanted to make changes to abortion law it would be in an act of parliament and that would either be voted down or electorally very punishing. So it just won't happen...

No. It won't. But does not alter her complete inappropriateness for the role.

_Os_ wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:08 pm
A lot of the UK media is deep into some crazy manufacturing consent bullshit. They're not reporting a lot of the facts, and when they are they're saying bad things are actually good (Truss has installed her close personal friend as deputy PM for example). All her cabinet selections are pure nepotism, none of it shows any political ability, there's no positions given to some opponents to keep them happier for longer. There's already some talk of 12 Tory MPs preparing to send in no confidence letters, around 90 Tory MPs turned up to wave Johnson goodbye.

I don't see this government lasting long. That's two weak leaders in succession who have picked their cabinets based on rewards/personal loyalty rather than on building a broad base within the parliamentary party. There are no 'big beasts' left in the cabinet who will do the hard yards for Truss.

robmatic wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:37 pm

_Os_ wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:08 pm
A lot of the UK media is deep into some crazy manufacturing consent bullshit. They're not reporting a lot of the facts, and when they are they're saying bad things are actually good (Truss has installed her close personal friend as deputy PM for example). All her cabinet selections are pure nepotism, none of it shows any political ability, there's no positions given to some opponents to keep them happier for longer. There's already some talk of 12 Tory MPs preparing to send in no confidence letters, around 90 Tory MPs turned up to wave Johnson goodbye.

I don't see this government lasting long. That's two weak leaders in succession who have picked their cabinets based on rewards/personal loyalty rather than on building a broad base within the parliamentary party. There are no 'big beasts' left in the cabinet who will do the hard yards for Truss.

At PMQ's, Ann-Marie Trevelyen (who I've met several times in her previous trade role and was fucking useless) was name checked but was too busy on her phone to realise Truss was speaking directly to her.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:17 am
More he took Russian State money so he can fuck right off when talking about integrity and the current state we're in

Would that also apply to Boris, and the ERG in general?