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In direct violation of the Constitution, but it's what people voted for, so it's all.OK.Uncle fester wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 6:52 am National guard being sent to LA and marines "on standby".
White house are really determined to see this one kick off.
And if you think it's far fetched, have a look at the books written under Hegseth's name.
Well I think they are figuring it out. Go into urban centers with this militarized secret group of thugs that kidnaps people off the streets.
Rips mothers away from their children in broad daylight then drives off in unmarked kidnapper vans leaving a community horrified at what’s happening in their neighborhoods…
Rinse and repeat until the protestors come out. Then you agitate them and escalate. (They are an easy mark… it will work)…
Then you’ve got “insurrections” in all the blue voting centers of the country.
Insurrection Act invocation. Martial law in blue voting centers declared. And you can suspend habeus corpus and start disappearing citizens too (not just non citizens).
At that point? You’ve removed the blue voting populations from the democracy, and you can turn the country into a Russian style or CCP style one-party “people’s republic” that votes in a dictator for life.
Then Trump, finally, has what he covets so badly. The authoritarian dictatorial rule that guys like Xi, Putin, MBS and Kim Jung-un have.
He’s like a spoiled child that sees another child with a toy he wants… except in this case the toy is getting to be a dictator.
Uncle fester wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 8:39 am Note that there's no riots and the violence is only from the ICE agents. They really are desperate to provoke a "Reichstag fire" incident.
Good post on Reddit summing up where this is potentially heading.
Well I think they are figuring it out. Go into urban centers with this militarized secret group of thugs that kidnaps people off the streets.
Rips mothers away from their children in broad daylight then drives off in unmarked kidnapper vans leaving a community horrified at what’s happening in their neighborhoods…
Rinse and repeat until the protestors come out. Then you agitate them and escalate. (They are an easy mark… it will work)…
Then you’ve got “insurrections” in all the blue voting centers of the country.
Insurrection Act invocation. Martial law in blue voting centers declared. And you can suspend habeus corpus and start disappearing citizens too (not just non citizens).
At that point? You’ve removed the blue voting populations from the democracy, and you can turn the country into a Russian style or CCP style one-party “people’s republic” that votes in a dictator for life.
Then Trump, finally, has what he covets so badly. The authoritarian dictatorial rule that guys like Xi, Putin, MBS and Kim Jung-un have.
He’s like a spoiled child that sees another child with a toy he wants… except in this case the toy is getting to be a dictator.
Like the Administration gives a shit about what Californians want. And the Valley tech broligarchy will be confident their money amd soft power will protect them from Trump. It won't happen to them. Far too smart.Uncle fester wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 8:57 am LAPD (not exactly bastions of normality) have stated that these are protests, not riots.
So nobody in California wants troops there. This is entirely generated by the white house.
He’s also threatened Newsome with withholding federal funding from California. Newsome replied that they might just stop sending taxes to the federal government if that’s the case. Which would bankrupt the US federal govt very, very quickly.geordie_6 wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 2:45 pm He's officially deployed the National Guard to LA.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... functions/
As someone on Reddit pointed out, he's essentially declared martial law without using those terms. No time limit, no cap on troop numbers, no specific geographical area and no judicial oversight.
Feels like that would hurtle us towards the civil war phase of this administration.Biffer wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 3:05 pmHe’s also threatened Newsome with withholding federal funding from California. Newsome replied that they might just stop sending taxes to the federal government if that’s the case. Which would bankrupt the US federal govt very, very quickly.geordie_6 wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 2:45 pm He's officially deployed the National Guard to LA.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... functions/
As someone on Reddit pointed out, he's essentially declared martial law without using those terms. No time limit, no cap on troop numbers, no specific geographical area and no judicial oversight.
He was gabbling on about sending marines in too, which is actually unlawful without Congressional approvalgeordie_6 wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 2:45 pm He's officially deployed the National Guard to LA.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... functions/
As someone on Reddit pointed out, he's essentially declared martial law without using those terms. No time limit, no cap on troop numbers, no specific geographical area and no judicial oversight.
The Posse Comitatus Act bars federal troops from participating in civilian law enforcement except when expressly authorized by law. This 143-year-old law embodies an American tradition that sees military interference in civilian affairs as a threat to both democracy and personal liberty. However, recent events have revealed dangerous gaps in the law’s coverage that Congress must address.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... -explained
Which all things considered I'd reckon the timing is, ah, convenient. Trump wanting another set of headlines other than the end of the bromance and the big beautiful bill.The agents served a search warrant and were looking for “fictitious employee documents,”.
He also points out the hypocrisy of Kristi NoemNiegs wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:15 am Newsom calls out Trump on the news: https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.soci ... 5eqr53y52z
No, but that's half the point of the kerfuffle.Flockwitt wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 7:41 am By the way, in amongst all this other hooplah did everybody pick up on the fact the Supreme Court said it was fine for DOGE to poke around in people's social security records?
And that big oil has joined the electric sector in condeming the gutting of the Biden energy credits? That's put the two-faced congressmen of the big beautiful bill in a real bind.Hal Jordan wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 7:48 amNo, but that's half the point of the kerfuffle.Flockwitt wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 7:41 am By the way, in amongst all this other hooplah did everybody pick up on the fact the Supreme Court said it was fine for DOGE to poke around in people's social security records?
It's really scary just how irrelevant the truth is now. If journalists had an ounce of integrity left, they simply wouldn't platform him when he's saying bullshit like "eggs have come down 400%" (not an exaggeration) or utterly fictious low gas prices. At the very least that reporting would be very different in tone - 'Today President Trump falsely claimed that gas prices have reduced to *insert figure*, when they average price is actually *insert figure*.'Flockwitt wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 5:26 am Tariffs hurting China! China's exports to the USA down by 10% from May last year!
Ah, actually China's total exports rose by 4% comparing May 2024 to May 2025.
Is there sensible content on why they need the records to modernise systems and/or detect potential fraud? I'm not sold even if there was I think that's why Musk and/or DOGE want the records, but could there be a reasonable claim therein?Flockwitt wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 7:41 am By the way, in amongst all this other hooplah did everybody pick up on the fact the Supreme Court said it was fine for DOGE to poke around in people's social security records?
Yep, it's exactly that, 3 sensible fraud related reasons why it should be allowed (and strong disent from the 3 judges opposed noting the risks).Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 8:45 amIs there sensible content on why they need the records to modernise systems and/or detect potential fraud? I'm not sold even if there was I think that's why Musk and/or DOGE want the records, but could there be a reasonable claim therein?Flockwitt wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 7:41 am By the way, in amongst all this other hooplah did everybody pick up on the fact the Supreme Court said it was fine for DOGE to poke around in people's social security records?
Is there content behind what they're trying to do that makes sense, or is simply what looks a plausible request?Flockwitt wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:18 amYep, it's exactly that, 3 sensible fraud related reasons why it should be allowed (and strong disent from the 3 judges opposed noting the risks).Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 8:45 amIs there sensible content on why they need the records to modernise systems and/or detect potential fraud? I'm not sold even if there was I think that's why Musk and/or DOGE want the records, but could there be a reasonable claim therein?Flockwitt wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 7:41 am By the way, in amongst all this other hooplah did everybody pick up on the fact the Supreme Court said it was fine for DOGE to poke around in people's social security records?
All good questions but I didn't get the full details, just the usual click bait summary.Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:38 amIs there content behind what they're trying to do that makes sense, or is simply what looks a plausible request?Flockwitt wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:18 amYep, it's exactly that, 3 sensible fraud related reasons why it should be allowed (and strong disent from the 3 judges opposed noting the risks).Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 8:45 am
Is there sensible content on why they need the records to modernise systems and/or detect potential fraud? I'm not sold even if there was I think that's why Musk and/or DOGE want the records, but could there be a reasonable claim therein?
I don't for instance see why a lot of data can't be scrubbed prior to make it available and then you work on models. And whatever is developed can be fed back into relevant agencies without cutting across whatever passes for various rights to privacy
What about the live data is driving their needs, do they even know what they need?
hardly the only question I'd have, which is why I'm wondering if there is sensible actual content behind what they're trying to do. because there might be issues I've flown straight past, and they might not be full of itFlockwitt wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:58 amAll good questions but I didn't get the full details, just the usual click bait summary.Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:38 amIs there content behind what they're trying to do that makes sense, or is simply what looks a plausible request?Flockwitt wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:18 am
Yep, it's exactly that, 3 sensible fraud related reasons why it should be allowed (and strong disent from the 3 judges opposed noting the risks).
I don't for instance see why a lot of data can't be scrubbed prior to make it available and then you work on models. And whatever is developed can be fed back into relevant agencies without cutting across whatever passes for various rights to privacy
What about the live data is driving their needs, do they even know what they need?
I saw that and couldn't believe it! Unfeckinbelivable! This is surely a crime, even in gun toting US, and the cop/paramilitary involved must be arrested and convicted. However in Magaland no doubt he will be paraded at the White House as a hero fighting bravely against the left wing agitator infiltrators from that well known Communist dictatorship of Australia and will be given a nice big red hat and a shiny plastic medal by the Tango Twat!Uncle fester wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:16 am Just the usual casual shooting of journalists with rubber bullets.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/s/ghht72y6YV
A British photojournalist was also shot with a rubber bullet and appears to have been more seriously injured than the Australian as he's going to have surgery on the wound to his leg.dpedin wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:26 amI saw that and couldn't believe it! Unfeckinbelivable! This is surely a crime, even in gun toting US, and the cop/paramilitary involved must be arrested and convicted. However in Magaland no doubt he will be paraded at the White House as a hero fighting bravely against the left wing agitator infiltrators from that well known Communist dictatorship of Australia and will be given a nice big red hat and a shiny plastic medal by the Tango Twat!Uncle fester wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:16 am Just the usual casual shooting of journalists with rubber bullets.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/s/ghht72y6YV
This is a battle now between President and States. Trump is desperate to strip the States of their power and influence and this manufactured 'crisis' has been carefully planned and implemented. He is desperate to cut Newsom off at the knees and hold his severed head in the air to frighten all the other State Governors into submission. Newsom and the folk of California must win this battle!
A reminder that rubber bullets, bean bag rounds and such had to be rebranded from non-lethal to less lethal. They can still do some serious damage and I vividly recall the horrific pictures coming out of black lives matter protests in the US a few years ago including some grisly eye injuries.Lobby wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 11:05 amA British photojournalist was also shot with a rubber bullet and appears to have been more seriously injured than the Australian as he's going to have surgery on the wound to his leg.dpedin wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:26 amI saw that and couldn't believe it! Unfeckinbelivable! This is surely a crime, even in gun toting US, and the cop/paramilitary involved must be arrested and convicted. However in Magaland no doubt he will be paraded at the White House as a hero fighting bravely against the left wing agitator infiltrators from that well known Communist dictatorship of Australia and will be given a nice big red hat and a shiny plastic medal by the Tango Twat!Uncle fester wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:16 am Just the usual casual shooting of journalists with rubber bullets.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/s/ghht72y6YV
This is a battle now between President and States. Trump is desperate to strip the States of their power and influence and this manufactured 'crisis' has been carefully planned and implemented. He is desperate to cut Newsom off at the knees and hold his severed head in the air to frighten all the other State Governors into submission. Newsom and the folk of California must win this battle!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... hal-rounds
Stern said protesters appeared to be “very angry” and chanting slogans including “Ice out of LA!”
“There’s a lot of large Hispanic population in Paramount,” Stern said. “They gave the impression from what they were chanting that it was their town and they didn’t want Ice there.”
An Australian journalist was also shot at the end of her report (on camera)...Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 5:06 pm https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... hal-rounds
Stern said protesters appeared to be “very angry” and chanting slogans including “Ice out of LA!”
“There’s a lot of large Hispanic population in Paramount,” Stern said. “They gave the impression from what they were chanting that it was their town and they didn’t want Ice there.”
Life and art finally collide...https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092690/?ref_=mv_close
Gabbling no longer, they are activating and deploying 700 marines to LA, "whilst activating more National Guard".tabascoboy wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 5:32 pmHe was gabbling on about sending marines in too, which is actually unlawful without Congressional approvalgeordie_6 wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 2:45 pm He's officially deployed the National Guard to LA.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... functions/
As someone on Reddit pointed out, he's essentially declared martial law without using those terms. No time limit, no cap on troop numbers, no specific geographical area and no judicial oversight.
The Posse Comitatus Act bars federal troops from participating in civilian law enforcement except when expressly authorized by law. This 143-year-old law embodies an American tradition that sees military interference in civilian affairs as a threat to both democracy and personal liberty. However, recent events have revealed dangerous gaps in the law’s coverage that Congress must address.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... -explained
Not yetgeordie_6 wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 8:13 pmGabbling no longer, they are activating and deploying 700 marines to LA, "whilst activating more National Guard".tabascoboy wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 5:32 pmHe was gabbling on about sending marines in too, which is actually unlawful without Congressional approvalgeordie_6 wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 2:45 pm He's officially deployed the National Guard to LA.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... functions/
As someone on Reddit pointed out, he's essentially declared martial law without using those terms. No time limit, no cap on troop numbers, no specific geographical area and no judicial oversight.
The Posse Comitatus Act bars federal troops from participating in civilian law enforcement except when expressly authorized by law. This 143-year-old law embodies an American tradition that sees military interference in civilian affairs as a threat to both democracy and personal liberty. However, recent events have revealed dangerous gaps in the law’s coverage that Congress must address.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... -explained