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C69 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:31 am Interesting, I personally feel the term Welshing/Welching very offensive and racist.

I'd only ever seen it written as welching, never realised there was a link! Not a word I used anyway, so easy enough to avoid in the future!

Well, great

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:31 am Interesting, I personally feel the term Welshing/Welching very offensive and racist.

That too is interesting. You could be a spokesman for the Welsh, let your fellow Welshies know what is and isn’t racist. Is there an equivalent to the term coconut when it comes to the Welsh?

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:31 am Interesting, I personally feel the term Welshing/Welching very offensive and racist.

You could start with the notion that labelling something welsh is offensive

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:36 am Well, great

............and of course we've just had an 8 week hiatus whilst the bastards were inspecting their navels!

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:25 am Some black people regard the word "niggardly" as racist . Are they right? Other black people regards the term coconut as racist. Are they right?

Using the term coconut as an insult does seem to apply there is something wrong or bad about being white or "white culture".

There’s “Dic Sion Dafydd” - a Welshman who refuses to speak his native language.

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:41 am

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:31 am Interesting, I personally feel the term Welshing/Welching very offensive and racist.

That too is interesting. You could be a spokesman for the Welsh, let your fellow Welshies know what is and isn’t racist. Is there an equivalent to the term coconut when it comes to the Welsh?

Not too sure of the coconut comment, however I agree that I am indeed a bellwether for Wales and all things Welsh.

We all know she's much further to the right than Patel. Didn't realise she was more barking mad as well

The new home secretary has already prompted consternation among Home Office officials after telling them she wants to ban all small boats crossing the Channel, the Observer has learned.
During her inaugural address to departmental staff last Wednesday, Suella Braverman said a top priority would be stopping all Channel crossings. She has also asked all staff to watch “trashy TV” to help their “mental wellbeing”, a source said, specifically citing Channel 4’s Married at First Sight and First Dates as well as Love Island.

During her address last week, Braverman – who is expected to adopt an even more hardline agenda than Patel – also prompted widespread discontent from thousands of Home Office staff by challenging their working practices.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... target

The one thing all Tories have in common, be they black, white, Asian or Of The Night.

Always. Punch. Down.

and quietly while news focus is elsewhere Jonathan Gullis appointed a Minister in DfE

ia801310 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:15 am You are just a bigot.

I refuse to interact with you anymore as it is completely pointless.

If you want to know why people won't "stop voting for f**cking Tories", take a look in the mirror. You will see the answer staring at you.

I am blocking you now. I will no longer read or reply to your posts.

I hope you enjoy the rest of your life and I wish you all the best with your future endeavours.

You are a buffoon, and I'll prove it.

Explain
a) Why millions of young blacks routinely call each other n*gger?
b) Or why this lot were, arguably, the most influential hip hop band ever? You might have to look them up because you won't hear them on Classic FM.


Presumably they are all racists? Because you, as a privileged, white middle class male would know soooooooo much better than all these people? Right?

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:25 am Some black people regard the word "niggardly" as racist . Are they right? Other black people regards the term coconut as racist. Are they right?

Using the term coconut as an insult does seem to apply there is something wrong or bad about being white or "white culture".

I've said this so many times now, that it really is broken record stuff.

Whether a word is racist or not depends upon a combo of intent and context. See my previous post on the use of n*gger (or derivatives). What 2 cretins on this thread seem to think is that a word can be racist absolutely. And, arrogantly, just because they say so i.e. they are the arbiters of such matters.

It's contentious whether 2 people of the same race and or culture could ever be accused of racially insulting one another (other than deliberately in jest or irony... go back to context or intent ^^^). Hence, regardless of factual accuracy about black Tories betraying their own race/culture, other blacks calling them coconuts is not racist. It simply is a non sequitur.

Everyone can we please drop this now and get back to bashing the scumbag Tories.


Thanks

ASMO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:59 pm Everyone can we please drop this now and get back to bashing the scumbag Tories.


Thanks

Quite

ASMO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:59 pm Everyone can we please drop this now and get back to bashing the scumbag Tories.


Thanks

That's exactly the kind of thing a racist would say, you racist

ASMO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:59 pm Everyone can we please drop this now and get back to bashing the scumbag Tories.


Thanks

Especially the coconut ones.

Raggs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:28 am

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:31 am Interesting, I personally feel the term Welshing/Welching very offensive and racist.

I'd only ever seen it written as welching, never realised there was a link! Not a word I used anyway, so easy enough to avoid in the future!

FM. Who knew?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... e-notebook

I suspect most Welsh don't either.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:17 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:28 am

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:31 am Interesting, I personally feel the term Welshing/Welching very offensive and racist.

I'd only ever seen it written as welching, never realised there was a link! Not a word I used anyway, so easy enough to avoid in the future!

FM. Who knew?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... e-notebook

I suspect most Welsh don't either.

Oh I think we do. Anyway nothing wrong with fleecing our English oppressors.

Meanwhile, in the real world while Westminster is sitting on it's hands

Liz Truss’s plans for an energy price freeze and sweeping tax cuts will give Britain’s richest households twice as much financial support with living costs as the poorest households, according to a leading thinktank.

The Resolution Foundation said the prime minister’s energy package, announced hours before news of the death of the Queen last week, would come with a “colossal” price tag for taxpayers that was poorly targeted to help those most in need when combined with tax cuts promised in her leadership campaign.

It said the richest tenth of UK households would receive £4,700 in support, on average, from the government’s “energy price guarantee” and cuts to national insurance – far in excess of the £2,200 support for a typical household in the poorest tenth.

https://www.theguardian.com/busine ... upport

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:54 am Meanwhile, in the real world while Westminster is sitting on it's hands

Liz Truss’s plans for an energy price freeze and sweeping tax cuts will give Britain’s richest households twice as much financial support with living costs as the poorest households, according to a leading thinktank.

The Resolution Foundation said the prime minister’s energy package, announced hours before news of the death of the Queen last week, would come with a “colossal” price tag for taxpayers that was poorly targeted to help those most in need when combined with tax cuts promised in her leadership campaign.

It said the richest tenth of UK households would receive £4,700 in support, on average, from the government’s “energy price guarantee” and cuts to national insurance – far in excess of the £2,200 support for a typical household in the poorest tenth.

https://www.theguardian.com/busine ... upport

It’s ffykin diabolical that it’s across the board. I guess a single person living in a small flat could gain literally no benefit from it.’

GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:20 am

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:54 am Meanwhile, in the real world while Westminster is sitting on it's hands

Liz Truss’s plans for an energy price freeze and sweeping tax cuts will give Britain’s richest households twice as much financial support with living costs as the poorest households, according to a leading thinktank.

The Resolution Foundation said the prime minister’s energy package, announced hours before news of the death of the Queen last week, would come with a “colossal” price tag for taxpayers that was poorly targeted to help those most in need when combined with tax cuts promised in her leadership campaign.

It said the richest tenth of UK households would receive £4,700 in support, on average, from the government’s “energy price guarantee” and cuts to national insurance – far in excess of the £2,200 support for a typical household in the poorest tenth.

https://www.theguardian.com/busine ... upport

It’s ffykin diabolical that it’s across the board. I guess a single person living in a small flat could gain literally no benefit from it.’

..........and!

Truss's plans to increase energy supply likely to have no impact on cutting bills before price guarantee ends, says thinktank
In her speech to MPs last week, Liz Truss said that, as well as curbing price increases this winter, she would be “ramping up [energy] supply”.

https://ifs.org.uk/articles/response- ... uarantee

Increasing supply not having immediate benefits is a weird criticism, given if any government had done it 5/10 years ago we wouldn’t be in the shit now

GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:20 am

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:54 am Meanwhile, in the real world while Westminster is sitting on it's hands

Liz Truss’s plans for an energy price freeze and sweeping tax cuts will give Britain’s richest households twice as much financial support with living costs as the poorest households, according to a leading thinktank.

The Resolution Foundation said the prime minister’s energy package, announced hours before news of the death of the Queen last week, would come with a “colossal” price tag for taxpayers that was poorly targeted to help those most in need when combined with tax cuts promised in her leadership campaign.

It said the richest tenth of UK households would receive £4,700 in support, on average, from the government’s “energy price guarantee” and cuts to national insurance – far in excess of the £2,200 support for a typical household in the poorest tenth.

https://www.theguardian.com/busine ... upport

It’s ffykin diabolical that it’s across the board. I guess a single person living in a small flat could gain literally no benefit from it.’

And only a section of the population will be paying for this via taxes. It won't be the poor: they don't have any income to tax. It won't be the rich: they pay no taxes (thanks Tories). So guess who........?

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:48 am Increasing supply not having immediate benefits is a weird criticism, given if any government had done it 5/10 years ago we wouldn’t be in the shit now

a) How is she proposing to increase supply? Does she mean increase the level of stocks of things like gas? Which would not be hard since currently storage is pretty much zero.
b) And who is experiencing shortages anyway? It's not the inability to turn on a kettle but the inability to be able to pay for the boiled water.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:51 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:48 am Increasing supply not having immediate benefits is a weird criticism, given if any government had done it 5/10 years ago we wouldn’t be in the shit now

a) How is she proposing to increase supply? Does she mean increase the level of stocks of things like gas? Which would not be hard since currently storage is pretty much zero.
b) And who is experiencing shortages anyway? It's not the inability to turn on a kettle but the inability to be able to pay for the boiled water.

Which is inextricably linked to supply, this is not tough to grasp

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:11 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:51 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:48 am Increasing supply not having immediate benefits is a weird criticism, given if any government had done it 5/10 years ago we wouldn’t be in the shit now

a) How is she proposing to increase supply? Does she mean increase the level of stocks of things like gas? Which would not be hard since currently storage is pretty much zero.
b) And who is experiencing shortages anyway? It's not the inability to turn on a kettle but the inability to be able to pay for the boiled water.

Which is inextricably linked to supply, this is not tough to grasp

Errrr, no, it's not. Not as far as the UK consumer is concerned. The massive price rises are largely (before the energy cos' opportunistic, additional gouging) down to intl, wholesale supply and shortages: real, perceived or anticipated.

So unless Truss is going to magically conjure up supplies of gas independent of the global markets (i.e. home sourced from fracking, oil, whatever or source domestic alternatives such as wind), then she can only increase domestic supply by purchasing (and storing.... which is another issue because the UK doesn't have storage capacity) from the wholesale market.......... at those same inflated prices. Ergo, increasing domestic supply capacity has f**k all effect on the price.

The O Level supply demand curve is completely irrelevant here because domestic demand is inelastic and the UK has zero control over supply.

BTW, Truss going out to try and buy more gas to stockpile would actually increase the demand upon the global market and actually push prices up: although not by much since the UK is a rounding error when talking an incremental increase.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:51 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:48 am Increasing supply not having immediate benefits is a weird criticism, given if any government had done it 5/10 years ago we wouldn’t be in the shit now

a) How is she proposing to increase supply? Does she mean increase the level of stocks of things like gas? Which would not be hard since currently storage is pretty much zero.
b) And who is experiencing shortages anyway? It's not the inability to turn on a kettle but the inability to be able to pay for the boiled water.

Thing is we would still be in the shit. As gas is an international market and we've exported loads this year. Interms of UK resilience using less by insulating would have been more effective and actually seriously cracking on with nuclear. Both of those would have been more effective than increasing domestic supply which would be neglible in global terms. Increasing domestic supply is really only good for oil and gas companies and their share holders.

petej wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:18 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:51 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:48 am Increasing supply not having immediate benefits is a weird criticism, given if any government had done it 5/10 years ago we wouldn’t be in the shit now

a) How is she proposing to increase supply? Does she mean increase the level of stocks of things like gas? Which would not be hard since currently storage is pretty much zero.
b) And who is experiencing shortages anyway? It's not the inability to turn on a kettle but the inability to be able to pay for the boiled water.

Thing is we would still be in the shit. As gas is an international market and we've exported loads this year. Interms of UK resilience using less by insulating would have been more effective and actually seriously cracking on with nuclear. Both of those would have been more effective than increasing domestic supply which would be neglible in global terms. Increasing domestic supply is really only good for oil and gas companies and their share holders.

Yes. I don't think Paddington has quite grasped the difference between a closed market and an intl one.

As Bojo the Clown goes off to lick his wounds and make his plans to regain power, it's probably worth collating some key moments from his stewardship of the office. When he tells you a year from now how he got the big calls right, try not to laugh

I for one, look forward to our MPs finally doing some proper work 9-9-6

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:55 am As Bojo the Clown goes off to lick his wounds and make his plans to regain power, it's probably worth collating some key moments from his stewardship of the office. When he tells you a year from now how he got the big calls right, try not to laugh

An apt legacy for an absolute cunt of a Prime Minister and human being

I suspect both are fake. Noticeably there's no link to either. Can't see the first one on the Guardian website (it's their font). Second one isn't on the Cabinet Office recently released documents:
https://www.gov.uk/search/all?organisat ... net-office

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:28 am

I for one, look forward to our MPs finally doing some proper work 9-9-6

Mahoney wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:11 am I suspect both are fake. Noticeably there's no link to either. Can't see the first one on the Guardian website (it's their font). Second one isn't on the Cabinet Office recently released documents:
https://www.gov.uk/search/all?organisat ... net-office

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:28 am

I for one, look forward to our MPs finally doing some proper work 9-9-6

I suspect that it's probably safe to assume that all IH's twitter links are fake

Lobby wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:22 am

Mahoney wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:11 am I suspect both are fake. Noticeably there's no link to either. Can't see the first one on the Guardian website (it's their font). Second one isn't on the Cabinet Office recently released documents:
https://www.gov.uk/search/all?organisat ... net-office

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:28 am

I for one, look forward to our MPs finally doing some proper work 9-9-6

I suspect that it's probably safe to assume that all IH's twitter links are fake

it is 100% fake.

indeed both appear to be fake bs. reported and blocked.

Lobby wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:22 am I suspect that it's probably safe to assume that all IH's twitter links are fake

"We'll just quietly tout this while everyone's distracted". Guess not everyone has to worry about cost of living increases

Kwasi Kwarteng considers scrapping bankers’ bonus cap to boost City

The proposal "sends a rather confused signal when people are being squeezed in terms of the cost of living, and the government is trying to encourage pay restraint in the public sector", Andrew Sentance, a former member of the Bank of England's Monetary Policy Committee, told the BBC.

"To appear to allow bankers to have bigger bonuses at the same time, doesn't look very well timed. There may be some longer term arguments for pursing this policy but I think the timing would be very bad if they did it now."

Rachel Winter, from Killick & Co, told the BBC: "It's an absolutely terrible time for this headline when you've got inflation [at] a 40-year high, you've got so many people struggling with the cost of living, do we really want to be reading headlines about banker bonuses?

"Arguably the banks do pay a lot of tax, so I think the chancellor is looking at ways to boost the UK economy to get more banks to come to London, to stay in London and pay more tax."

How can we expect those multi millionaires to be able to afford their electricity bills if they don't get a few more million each year? You telling me that having a few extra million quid wouldn't help you with your bills? No? Then don't ask them to give it up...

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:40 am "We'll just quietly tout this while everyone's distracted". Guess not everyone has to worry about cost of living increases

Kwasi Kwarteng considers scrapping bankers’ bonus cap to boost City

The proposal "sends a rather confused signal when people are being squeezed in terms of the cost of living, and the government is trying to encourage pay restraint in the public sector", Andrew Sentance, a former member of the Bank of England's Monetary Policy Committee, told the BBC.

"To appear to allow bankers to have bigger bonuses at the same time, doesn't look very well timed. There may be some longer term arguments for pursing this policy but I think the timing would be very bad if they did it now."

Rachel Winter, from Killick & Co, told the BBC: "It's an absolutely terrible time for this headline when you've got inflation [at] a 40-year high, you've got so many people struggling with the cost of living, do we really want to be reading headlines about banker bonuses?

"Arguably the banks do pay a lot of tax, so I think the chancellor is looking at ways to boost the UK economy to get more banks to come to London, to stay in London and pay more tax."

Great optics when a huge percentage of the population are really struggling. Still it's unlikely to reach the Tory newspapers with all the wall to wall funeral coverage