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Posted: **Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:45 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:30 pm
Enzedder wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:19 pm Poms cant say that they weren't warned. Before long, they won't be able to recruit staff while he's there.

Class is permanent, so is arse.
You also warned us he'd only be good for two years, and, well, that didn't pan out. At this point I think I'm right in saying he's been England coach longer than any of his previous gigs, so I don't think there's much advice you lot can give us (not that it was anything new to begin with)

And does the RFUs refusal to recognise his failings, help them; or hurt them ?

Will English Rugby be served better by his stubborn refusal to cap/develop a better SH than Youngs ?

Is he going to be remembered for developing a team for the next RWC, or for stubbornly sticking with players who were past their best; & refusing to acknowledge this; and bring in fresh blood; until it was too late ?

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:10 am**

So...

Back to the cricket.

England against SL.

I don't think this game will be quite as easy as England expects.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:22 am**

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:10 am So...

Back to the cricket.

England against SL.

I don't think this game will be quite as easy as England expects.

It’ll be a battering.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:40 am**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:22 am
Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:10 am So...

Back to the cricket.

England against SL.

I don't think this game will be quite as easy as England expects.
It’ll be a battering.

I'm very sure that that's what England (fans and players) expects.

We shall see.

Sri Lanka have two of the quickest bowlers in the Tourney and one of the best leggies.

I'd be a bit wary of them.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:41 am**

Hope England klap them hard.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:49 am**

This tournament is now just a competition to see who is going to have the honour of being embarrassed in the final by England.

If England lose the toss and bat first - there is a real chance that a team might be chasing 250+ the way Buttler and Roy are playing.

The worrying bit for England is that the middle order hasn't had a run in the middle yet - they're getting rusty for no other reason than their top order is almost godlike.

The rest of the world has a lot of catching up to do.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:18 am**

Some excellent mockers work there chaps. And of course, an added dash of "English so arrogant" from Rinkals.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:56 am**

Thor’s effort is particularly inspiring.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:01 am**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:18 am Some excellent mockers work there chaps. And of course, an added dash of "English so arrogant" from Rinkals.

Well, aren't they?

They might be the best prepared side, but they aren't as invincible as everybody suggests.

SL have been written off already, and perhaps that is realistic, but I don't quite think that they are the easy beats that England are anticipating.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:29 am**

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:01 am
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:18 am Some excellent mockers work there chaps. And of course, an added dash of "English so arrogant" from Rinkals.
Well, aren't they?

They might be the best prepared side, but they aren't as invincible as everybody suggests.

SL have been written off already, and perhaps that is realistic, but I don't quite think that they are the easy beats that England are anticipating.

"Everybody" isn't suggesting they're invincible, and with the greatest respect, the voices in your head that yell about England 24x7 aren't actually an authority on what England anticipates.

England have played two bad teams and one good one, and are in good form. However, they made heavy weather of a very low target against the Windies, the Banglas essentially conceded by batting first on *that* wicket, and the Aussie game was a genuine thumping of a quality side.

T20 is a game where a single player having a better-than-normal day can win you it. No-one is suggesting that England are invincible. They'll be heavy favourites against Sri Lanka, but for pretty good reasons. And one of those reasons is that this England side aren't likely to consider them easy beats.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:14 am**

Get the sense Rinkals has never met an English cricket fan... no one thinks this team is unbeatable

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:17 am**

I was reading Buttler's interview on cricinfo he does come across as being full of it.

Then the little interplay between Buttler and Bairstow winking at each other when hitting sixes also tends to reinforce that impression.

I'm expecting SL to give England a bit of a shock shortly, if England fail to show them any respect.

I'm not confident enough to put money on it, but, as I say: we shall see.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:27 am**

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:17 am I was reading Buttler's interview on cricinfo he does come across as being full of it.

Then the little interplay between Buttler and Bairstow winking at each other when hitting sixes also tends to reinforce that impression.

I'm expecting SL to give England a bit of a shock shortly, if England fail to show them any respect.

I'm not confident enough to put money on it, but, as I say: we shall see.

Be sure to let us know exactly when you think England aren't showing them respect and what they should be doing instead.

No idea what you're talking about re: winking at each other, though it must be truly dreadful for players to <checks notes> enjoy batting together. Thanks for that article, Buttler comes across very well in all of his quotes:

"It was a fantastic team performance," Buttler said, after a bowling display led by Chris Woakes and Chris Jordan had limited Australia to a sub-par total of 125. "Early wickets in the powerplay really set us on our way and it was great fun to chase those runs down.

"We didn't have any scoreboard pressure. 'Just keep imposing ourselves on the opposition' is the way we've championed trying to play. We don't try and play it safe. So if we talk that way, we have to go out and play that way as well."

...

"I think you get quite inspired by Jason at the other end when he is running down first ball against Hazlewood and running down against Cummins," he said. "These are top bowlers and the way he can impose himself inspires at the other end. When you get to the last over of the powerplay none down, it felt like an over to really throw caution to the wind and just go for it.

"Once you get in that hitting mode, it is [about] just allowing yourself to keep going. Sometimes you think 'I'll rein it back in a little bit', but then you catch yourself half-hearted. So especially with the position we were in, in the game, it was more 'I'm just gonna keep going'. And keep trying to take advantage of being in a good zone."

...

"The mental side of things is something I try to work on a lot," he said. "Some of the practice wickets have been a bit tricky but [on Friday] I managed to have some great practice. It's nice to put your hands through a few again, have some fun and freedom.

"If you practise it, the confidence stays. Your adrenaline is going but you're trying to remain quite level in your brain and relaxed in the top half. When guys are bowling fast, you have that level of adrenaline."

...

"We want to put the opposition under pressure in all facets of the game with bat, ball, in the field and the way we run as well," Buttler said. "I think we're an incredibly fit team. That gives us another dimension, especially on fields like this where there are bigger gaps at times and you can push twos. It's another area that we can push to try and play at the level we want to play."

...

"That's obviously a while ago now but every time you come and play here, there are obviously great memories," he said. "We were in the same dressing-room as well on that day. It just has a nice feel about it, remembering that sort of day. So absolutely that gives you confidence to know you are coming back to a ground where you have probably played your best innings at."

...

"The format doesn't allow much room for error so to be three from three - including wins against West Indies and Australia as well, no disrespect to Bangladesh - and to play as convincingly as we have has been awesome," he said. "The games we have played, we've pegged back the opposition really early. We have restricted teams to under-par scores, so I wouldn't say we've seen big benefits of batting second.

"As the tournament goes on and the wickets become more tired, maybe the advantage will swap to batting first," he added. "That is one challenge we are going to have to work out as a side. If we lose the toss or we choose to bat first, how are we going to approach our innings to get to a score that we think is defendable."

Just look at the searing arrogance of, erm, talking about trying to get on top of top class bowling, bigging up your teammate, trying to put the opposition under pressure, and the tactics of trying to ride the wave of being in the 'zone' as a big hitter.

But he does say the team is incredibly fit, the arrogant cunt.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:32 am**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:14 am Get the sense Rinkals has never met an English cricket fan... no one thinks this team is unbeatable

I can tell you that I've watched several Test matches at Lords, as well as a few at Trent Bridge against various opposition. I was at Headingly when Gooch should have been given run out by a country mile against Pakistan.

I was at Lords when Atherton had sand in his pocket and South Africa won the Test inside 3 days and it was at this test, after the last ball was bowled, the crowd went onto the pitch and stood under the player's balcony where Angus Fraser was sitting, still padded up, with his head between his knees and I heard England "fans" shouting abuse up at him, calling him a useless cunt.

Don't worry, I have met English cricket fans.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:35 am**

Ah, the early 90s. Probably just as well we don't judge South African fans for how they were 26+ years ago, hey.

(edit: Also the idea that fans of the 90s England cricket team were arrogant is just hilarious!)

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:31 am**

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:32 am
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:14 am Get the sense Rinkals has never met an English cricket fan... no one thinks this team is unbeatable
I can tell you that I've watched several Test matches at Lords, as well as a few at Trent Bridge against various opposition. I was at Headingly when Gooch should have been given run out by a country mile against Pakistan.

I was at Lords when Atherton had sand in his pocket and South Africa won the Test inside 3 days and it was at this test, after the last ball was bowled, the crowd went onto the pitch and stood under the player's balcony where Angus Fraser was sitting, still padded up, with his head between his knees and I heard England "fans" shouting abuse up at him, calling him a useless cunt.

Don't worry, I have met English cricket fans.

You're a hilariously bitter man

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:12 pm**

So to summarise this last page, England are unbeatable. The rest of the nations are fighting for the scraps of second place.

I’ve never seen a more one sided match-up since South Africa were allowed home refs in the super rugby games.

It has to be asked, is England’s dominance of cricket harming the game globally?

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:17 pm**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:56 am Thor’s effort is particularly inspiring.

Had the thumbs up from me.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:19 pm**

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:17 am I was reading Buttler's interview on cricinfo he does come across as being full of it.

Then the little interplay between Buttler and Bairstow winking at each other when hitting sixes also tends to reinforce that impression.

I'm expecting SL to give England a bit of a shock shortly, if England fail to show them any respect.

I'm not confident enough to put money on it, but, as I say: we shall see.

Not sure what's wrong with this? Surely whooping or waving your fists at the oppo would be more so?

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:24 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:18 am Some excellent mockers work there chaps. And of course, an added dash of "English so arrogant" from Rinkals.

I'm not a huge believer in the whole 'mockers' thing - but I genuinely do believe that England are on a different level to the rest of the teams. It isn't a new thing. Once they got rid of the Cook's and Bell's from the limited over sides they have been one of the premier teams in recent seasons.

Remembering also that the current team doesn't have Stokes and Archer playing. But even taking that in to account - can you name me a team with a better bowling line up and one with a better batting line up than England at this point?

I read further down that they struggled against the Windies to cross the line - not sure I agree with that. They weren't fluent on a difficult pitch. But at no time were they struggling. They coasted against a pretty decent Bangladesh side and absolutely destroyed Australia. That wasn't even a contest.

I know that England have had their fair share of disappointments in cricket - but you guys have had enough joy now to drop the 'typical England' schtick.

You guys are favourites to win this tournament - can your team deal with that?

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:25 pm**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:12 pm So to summarise this last page, England are unbeatable. The rest of the nations are fighting for the scraps of second place.

I’ve never seen a more one sided match-up since South Africa were allowed home refs in the super rugby games.

It has to be asked, is England’s dominance of cricket harming the game globally?

A whole two posts bigging up England, and one of them is written by some windup merchant called, erm, ScarfaceClaw...

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:28 pm**

And where does this 'arrogant' England thing come from?

As much as it annoys me - the English team come across really feckin' well in interviews. All good guys enjoying their cricket.

I mean some of the older guard still maybe struggle with the perception around their antics (Broad, Anderson etc) - but in general - the English cricketers seem like a good bunch of guys with a decent attitude about them.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:46 pm**

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:28 pm And where does this 'arrogant' England thing come from?

As much as it annoys me - the English team come across really feckin' well in interviews. All good guys enjoying their cricket.

I mean some of the older guard still maybe struggle with the perception around their antics (Broad, Anderson etc) - but in general - the English cricketers seem like a good bunch of guys with a decent attitude about them.

It’s them foreign fellas in the team now that is helping to dilute the arrogance. From the happy go lucky Irish captain through to the mild mannered kiwi all rounder. A token Sefrican now and then to level it and they’re on to a winning strategy. One might even say an unbeatable strategy.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:49 pm**

Ignoring the winding up, I genuinely do think that England have daylight over the rest of the teams in this tournament. That doesn’t always translate into winning everything at the hit and giggle matches don’t give a slow start or a mistake much time to be corrected.

And I don’t think that smiling and winking after splattering yet another six is in anyway arrogant.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:55 pm**

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:28 pm And where does this 'arrogant' England thing come from?

As much as it annoys me - the English team come across really feckin' well in interviews. All good guys enjoying their cricket.

I mean some of the older guard still maybe struggle with the perception around their antics (Broad, Anderson etc) - but in general - the English cricketers seem like a good bunch of guys with a decent attitude about them.

You know those speed check signs that produce a red frowny face if you're going over the speed limit? That's Rinkals' mind when he hears the word 'England'.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:56 pm**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:49 pm Ignoring the winding up, I genuinely do think that England have daylight over the rest of the teams in this tournament. That doesn’t always translate into winning everything at the hit and giggle matches don’t give a slow start or a mistake much time to be corrected.

And I don’t think that smiling and winking after splattering yet another six is in anyway arrogant.

Two things that have been noticeable for me - our fielding has been a cut above and the top order is more destructive. Gives us a good chance but we'll see what happens if we lose early wickets.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:07 pm**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:56 pm
ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:49 pm Ignoring the winding up, I genuinely do think that England have daylight over the rest of the teams in this tournament. That doesn’t always translate into winning everything at the hit and giggle matches don’t give a slow start or a mistake much time to be corrected.

And I don’t think that smiling and winking after splattering yet another six is in anyway arrogant.
Two things that have been noticeable for me - our fielding has been a cut above and the top order is more destructive. Gives us a good chance but we'll see what happens if we lose early wickets.

The way the bowlers totally restricted and eventually strangled the strayans is a huge plus. It gives the batters so much more freedom knowing they don’t have a huge total to chase.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:35 pm**

So interesting start.

Sri Lanka win the toss and bowl. Englands first chance to set a total.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:41 pm**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:07 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:56 pm
ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:49 pm Ignoring the winding up, I genuinely do think that England have daylight over the rest of the teams in this tournament. That doesn’t always translate into winning everything at the hit and giggle matches don’t give a slow start or a mistake much time to be corrected.

And I don’t think that smiling and winking after splattering yet another six is in anyway arrogant.
Two things that have been noticeable for me - our fielding has been a cut above and the top order is more destructive. Gives us a good chance but we'll see what happens if we lose early wickets.
The way the bowlers totally restricted and eventually strangled the strayans is a huge plus. It gives the batters so much more freedom knowing they don’t have a huge total to chase.

The bowling has been really impressive - Woakes got a bit of later order long handle treatment in the Oz game, as did Mills, but there's a cleverness about the bowling that's been refreshing to see.

On the subject of brain over brawn, am I right in saying Malan was no1 ranked Twenty20 batter for a period? He's not a 9-stone weakling but h's not exactly a smash it out of the park type player.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:55 pm**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:31 am
Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:32 am
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:14 am Get the sense Rinkals has never met an English cricket fan... no one thinks this team is unbeatable
I can tell you that I've watched several Test matches at Lords, as well as a few at Trent Bridge against various opposition. I was at Headingly when Gooch should have been given run out by a country mile against Pakistan.

I was at Lords when Atherton had sand in his pocket and South Africa won the Test inside 3 days and it was at this test, after the last ball was bowled, the crowd went onto the pitch and stood under the player's balcony where Angus Fraser was sitting, still padded up, with his head between his knees and I heard England "fans" shouting abuse up at him, calling him a useless cunt.

Don't worry, I have met English cricket fans.
You're a hilariously bitter man

Not at all. I wasn't the one abusing my own players.

You're the one that said I'd no experience of England fans.

I have. I just don't find them as appealing as you do.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:58 pm**

All he did was make the point that England cricket fans are not exactly the type to claim their team is unbeatable. You responded with... a story about Gus Fraser being abused by fans 26 years ago. When England were proper shit. In other words, you weren't interested in the point being made, you just wanted to suggest that England fans are cunts.

You really are a tosser when it comes to English sport.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:02 pm**

Rinkals failing to find England players appealing

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:02 pm**

Fwiw I can understand why someone comes away from Twickenham thinking England fans are arrogant (though I think it is a case of overthinking the fact that drunk middle class people are typically boorish in a particular way). I just don't get how you would at the cricket, and your story doesn't demonstrate it either. The MCC lot are up their own arses but are typically very down on the side itself.
England in the 90s used the Great Escape theme as their entry music and it was regularly commented how grimly ironic it was given they couldn't escape out of a paper bag. Everyone knew they were terrible.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:08 pm**

Roy gone

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:09 pm**

My boy Malan in.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:11 pm**

Gaaah. Thought this was a 1430 kick off.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:13 pm**

Buttler certainly is in the form of his life right now.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:14 pm**

Lovely bit of Bon Jovi to accompany that fantastic square drive for four.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:14 pm**

Followed by a filthy inside edge for four.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:19 pm**

Unlike, say India, Eng completely understand the need to make runs during the power play even if it means taking some risks.

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