Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:56 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:25 am England will knock the Irish over. Not sure about France.
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Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:27 am
Every team should be coached by Eddie Jones. For one year only.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:50 am
The Stormers missed out. England poached him before he could start.Tilly Orifice wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:27 am Every team should be coached by Eddie Jones. For one year only.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:00 am
If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?
Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?
Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:43 am
Rassie is the favorite to take over.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:19 am
We would willingly let Foster go if you insisted
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:26 am
I can never tell whether or not you're joking, Oom.
Clueless as the blazers at the RFU can be, I don't see that at all. It would be a hugely unpopular choice.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:30 am
If Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.Chilli wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:00 am If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?
Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?
There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:35 am
I don’t know mate. I think there should be a fee on that one.
We will give 20% proceeds of our 2022 gate, if you take him.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:36 am
So best the devil that you know?sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:30 amIf Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.Chilli wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:00 am If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?
Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?
There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.
Nick Mallett, Jake White or Johan Erasmus would all kill for the job.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:37 am
I’d honestly take a swap deal on this.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:37 am
Jones for Foster ?
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:38 am
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:40 am
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:41 am
When Eddie seems like your best option...Chilli wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:36 amSo best the devil that you know?sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:30 amIf Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.Chilli wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:00 am If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?
Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?
There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.
Nick Mallett, Jake White or Johan Erasmus would all kill for the job.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:45 am
Rassie have the cv. He turned the Springbok from nr10 to WC champs in 18 months.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:46 am
sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:41 amWhen Eddie seems like your best option...Chilli wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:36 amSo best the devil that you know?sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:30 am
If Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.
There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.
Nick Mallett, Jake White or Johan Erasmus would all kill for the job.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:19 am
They wont sack him, unfortunately money talks more than on field success in Rugby these days. I think England supporters just need to accept that we will likely not get out of pool stages, QF at best in the next RWC..2015 all over again.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:30 amIf Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.Chilli wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:00 am If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?
Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?
There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:00 am
Without checking the draw, a potential scenario sees England meet the ABs in a semi final which presents a serendipitous set of matching opportunities for fans from every nation... NZR are stuck with Foster just as England are stuck with Jones. By then, Foster will have eroded All Black rugby down into some sort of Benny Hill version of the Graeme Henry led teams and short of whisking him out the back for a quick bullet, the most appealing option for NZ fans would be a humiliating exit from the RWC after losing the Bledisloe and a one off pre tournament 'development' game against Roumania.ASMO wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:19 amThey wont sack him, unfortunately money talks more than on field success in Rugby these days. I think England supporters just need to accept that we will likely not get out of pool stages, QF at best in the next RWC..2015 all over again.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:30 amIf Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.Chilli wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:00 am If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?
Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?
There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.
Enter Eddie and his peculiar and life defining knack of beating NZ at the Cup... an opportunity to score a trifecta will have one of his eyes wide open with anticipation and he'll pull off what most of the world's press, led by luminaries like The Walrus and a bloke named James from some internet backwater as an almost miraculous stroke of genius and the upset of the millenium... ensuring a contract extension for Eddie.
4 more years, boys. 4 more years.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:09 am
You heartless monster.Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:00 amWithout checking the draw, a potential scenario sees England meet the ABs in a semi final which presents a serendipitous set of matching opportunities for fans from every nation... NZR are stuck with Foster just as England are stuck with Jones. By then, Foster will have eroded All Black rugby down into some sort of Benny Hill version of the Graeme Henry led teams and short of whisking him out the back for a quick bullet, the most appealing option for NZ fans would be a humiliating exit from the RWC after losing the Bledisloe and a one off pre tournament 'development' game against Roumania.ASMO wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:19 amThey wont sack him, unfortunately money talks more than on field success in Rugby these days. I think England supporters just need to accept that we will likely not get out of pool stages, QF at best in the next RWC..2015 all over again.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:30 am
If Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.
There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.
Enter Eddie and his peculiar and life defining knack of beating NZ at the Cup... an opportunity to score a trifecta will have one of his eyes wide open with anticipation and he'll pull off what most of the world's press, led by luminaries like The Walrus and a bloke named James from some internet backwater as an almost miraculous stroke of genius and the upset of the millenium... ensuring a contract extension for Eddie.
4 more years, boys. 4 more years.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:23 pm
Always knew you were a barsteward.Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:00 amWithout checking the draw, a potential scenario sees England meet the ABs in a semi final which presents a serendipitous set of matching opportunities for fans from every nation... NZR are stuck with Foster just as England are stuck with Jones. By then, Foster will have eroded All Black rugby down into some sort of Benny Hill version of the Graeme Henry led teams and short of whisking him out the back for a quick bullet, the most appealing option for NZ fans would be a humiliating exit from the RWC after losing the Bledisloe and a one off pre tournament 'development' game against Roumania.ASMO wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:19 amThey wont sack him, unfortunately money talks more than on field success in Rugby these days. I think England supporters just need to accept that we will likely not get out of pool stages, QF at best in the next RWC..2015 all over again.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:30 am
If Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.
There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.
Enter Eddie and his peculiar and life defining knack of beating NZ at the Cup... an opportunity to score a trifecta will have one of his eyes wide open with anticipation and he'll pull off what most of the world's press, led by luminaries like The Walrus and a bloke named James from some internet backwater as an almost miraculous stroke of genius and the upset of the millenium... ensuring a contract extension for Eddie.
4 more years, boys. 4 more years.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:33 pm
The moment it mentioned a Foster led All Black team reaching a World Cup semi final then you should have known it was a wind up.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:50 pm
Available immediatelyChilli wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:00 am If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?
Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?
Eddie O'Sullivan
Michael Bradley
Matt Williams
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:28 pm
ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:33 pm The moment it mentioned a Foster led All Black team reaching a World Cup semi final then you should have known it was a wind up.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 2:11 am
What is Scott Johnson up to these days?Uncle fester wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:50 pmAvailable immediatelyChilli wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:00 am If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?
Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?
Eddie O'Sullivan
Michael Bradley
Matt Williams
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:00 am
If Scotland wins against Ireland, and France beat Englsnd by more than 7pts, England could finish 5th 
If Jones survives this?!
If Jones survives this?!
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:05 am
England will beat France. This will save Eddie.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:42 am
Eddie O'Sullivan, the not so successful ex Ireland coach?Uncle fester wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:50 pmAvailable immediatelyChilli wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:00 am If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?
Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?
Eddie O'Sullivan
Michael Bradley
Matt Williams
Michael Bradley, who?
Matt Williams, not high profile enough
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:54 am
For the second year in a row and third time overall under Jones. Unacceptable really, but, as this thread shows with suggestions both serious and not, the RFU have left it too late to get rid of him this close to a world cup given the paucity of alternative coaches.TheFrog wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:00 am If Scotland wins against Ireland, and France beat Englsnd by more than 7pts, England could finish 5th
If Jones survives this?!
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:03 am
Think he might be DoR for ARU.ScarfaceClaw wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 2:11 amWhat is Scott Johnson up to these days?Uncle fester wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:50 pmAvailable immediatelyChilli wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:00 am If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?
Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?
Eddie O'Sullivan
Michael Bradley
Matt Williams
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:04 am
Chilli wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:42 amEddie O'Sullivan, the not so successful ex Ireland coach? Very successful depending on who you talk to.Uncle fester wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:50 pmAvailable immediatelyChilli wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:00 am If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?
Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?
Eddie O'Sullivan
Michael Bradley
Matt Williams
Michael Bradley, who? Vastly experienced pro coach.
Matt Williams, not high profile enough Former Scotland & Leinster coach. You need to learn a bit more about rugby outside your braai circle.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:04 am
Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:56 amOomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:25 am England will knock the Irish over. Not sure about France.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:11 am
Lifetime achievement award for braindead posting has long been awarded to OomPBTheFrog wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:04 amGuy Smiley wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:56 amOomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:25 am England will knock the Irish over. Not sure about France.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:30 am
TheFrog wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:00 am If Scotland wins against Ireland, and France beat Englsnd by more than 7pts, England could finish 5th
If Jones survives this?!
If England lose to France without getting any bonus points then Scotland only need a losing bonus point to go ahead of England. Wales need a 5-point win against Italy to go ahead of England.
Arguably, fifth place is the most likely outcome for England after the last round.
That would be three fifth place finishes for Jones in just 7 championships (43%).
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:39 am
With all the resources and talents in England this is surely unacceptable for the RFU? Jones is a poor coach and needs to go, however as a Scot I am delighted that he remains in post. Please keep him England!Kawazaki wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:30 amTheFrog wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:00 am If Scotland wins against Ireland, and France beat Englsnd by more than 7pts, England could finish 5th
If Jones survives this?!
If England lose to France without getting any bonus points then Scotland only need a losing bonus point to go ahead of England. Wales need a 5-point win against Italy to go ahead of England.
Arguably, fifth place is the most likely outcome for England after the last round.
That would be three fifth place finishes for Jones in just 7 championships (43%).
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:47 am
'But he won a couple of titles and got us to a world cup final' cry his supporters.dpedin wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:39 amWith all the resources and talents in England this is surely unacceptable for the RFU? Jones is a poor coach and needs to go, however as a Scot I am delighted that he remains in post. Please keep him England!Kawazaki wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:30 amTheFrog wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:00 am If Scotland wins against Ireland, and France beat Englsnd by more than 7pts, England could finish 5th
If Jones survives this?!
If England lose to France without getting any bonus points then Scotland only need a losing bonus point to go ahead of England. Wales need a 5-point win against Italy to go ahead of England.
Arguably, fifth place is the most likely outcome for England after the last round.
That would be three fifth place finishes for Jones in just 7 championships (43%).
Say what you want about Lancaster, but he never flubbed the 6N in the way Eddie has. A couple of titles were only narrowly missed on points difference and consistent second place is definitely better than a title followed by 5th in my book.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:19 pm
Though to be fair, England's 6N opponents back then were all (bar Wales) much worse than they are in 2022.sockwithaticket wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:47 am'But he won a couple of titles and got us to a world cup final' cry his supporters.dpedin wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:39 amWith all the resources and talents in England this is surely unacceptable for the RFU? Jones is a poor coach and needs to go, however as a Scot I am delighted that he remains in post. Please keep him England!Kawazaki wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:30 am
If England lose to France without getting any bonus points then Scotland only need a losing bonus point to go ahead of England. Wales need a 5-point win against Italy to go ahead of England.
Arguably, fifth place is the most likely outcome for England after the last round.
That would be three fifth place finishes for Jones in just 7 championships (43%).
Say what you want about Lancaster, but he never flubbed the 6N in the way Eddie has. A couple of titles were only narrowly missed on points difference and consistent second place is definitely better than a title followed by 5th in my book.
I think it's fair to praise Eddie for the highs but to be frank we're not a nation that should lurch from crisis to glory and without a world cup win you can't say it's worth it. There's absolutely no reason why we should be a boom and bust country; we should be competing for the title in everything.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:29 pm
Not sure that's true of Italy and Ireland, but France and Scotland have definitely come on.JM2K6 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:19 pmThough to be fair, England's 6N opponents back then were all (bar Wales) much worse than they are in 2022.sockwithaticket wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:47 am'But he won a couple of titles and got us to a world cup final' cry his supporters.dpedin wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:39 am
With all the resources and talents in England this is surely unacceptable for the RFU? Jones is a poor coach and needs to go, however as a Scot I am delighted that he remains in post. Please keep him England!
Say what you want about Lancaster, but he never flubbed the 6N in the way Eddie has. A couple of titles were only narrowly missed on points difference and consistent second place is definitely better than a title followed by 5th in my book.
I think it's fair to praise Eddie for the highs but to be frank we're not a nation that should lurch from crisis to glory and without a world cup win you can't say it's worth it. There's absolutely no reason why we should be a boom and bust country; we should be competing for the title in everything.
If it should come to pass, any other coach who delivered consecutive 5th place finishes would be out on their arse.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:29 pm
It's not serious to discuss Lancaster without mentioning the 15 World Cup. Wales was bad enough but I'd argue that the Australia loss/surrender was probably the worst English capitulation in the modern era, probably only rivalled by the 30-3 drubbing in Cardiff, also under Lancaster. Jones took essentially the same side and was a try away from winning consecutive Grand Slams.
This isn't a defence of Eddie seven years later, of course. This is now two poor campaigns on the spin, and two years of a non-existent attack.
This isn't a defence of Eddie seven years later, of course. This is now two poor campaigns on the spin, and two years of a non-existent attack.
Re: Eddie Jones Not Out
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:34 pm
See I think it's not serious to discuss him while fixating on the world cup. It's a once in four year tournament, what coaches do the rest of the time is of far greater relevance to whether they and their side are any good.Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:29 pm It's not serious to discuss Lancaster without mentioning the 15 World Cup. Wales was bad enough but I'd argue that the Australia loss/surrender was probably the worst English capitulation in the modern era, probably only rivalled by the 30-3 drubbing in Cardiff, also under Lancaster. Jones took essentially the same side and was a try away from winning consecutive Grand Slams.
This isn't a defence of Eddie seven years later, of course. This is now two poor campaigns on the spin, and two years of a non-existent attack.
He and his side were probably too raw for the real top end challenges they faced. We'll never know if he'd have taken them there himself if given the opportunity to carry on.