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Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:38 am**

Ymx wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:16 pm Hey, that’s a very mean personal attack Guy. I pay for Apple News and it’s free within that.

c) it was Stuart Barnes

The mini me version of the Walrus.
The Seal.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:35 am**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:34 pm
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:50 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:17 pm
Keenan a split second away from gathering, Steward still metres away:

Keenan has gathered and been twatted despite doing nothing out of the ordinary:

Keenan has made no sudden moves to either side. He went for the ball, got the ball, and got smashed in the head by a big idiot for his troubles. The picture did not change.

It's 0.6 seconds between the ball bouncing into Keenan's hands from the knock-on to the impact with Steward. 0.6 seconds.
Just two things there

1) players navigate much quicker scenarios constantly at this level without shitting the bed
2) 0.6 seconds from the expected thing happening to the collision is meaningless. What was steward having to react to? Nothing unexpected happened! The thing he could see was likely to happen from the start happened!

He was reacting as per c.1m years of evolution.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:18 am**

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:35 am
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:34 pm
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:50 pm

It's 0.6 seconds between the ball bouncing into Keenan's hands from the knock-on to the impact with Steward. 0.6 seconds.
Just two things there

1) players navigate much quicker scenarios constantly at this level without shitting the bed
2) 0.6 seconds from the expected thing happening to the collision is meaningless. What was steward having to react to? Nothing unexpected happened! The thing he could see was likely to happen from the start happened!

He was reacting as per c.1m years of evolution.

Make it make sense

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:26 am**

Although in fairness his "reaction" did remind me of those videos of cats seeing a cucumber sitting on the floor and doing a terrified leap in the air to escape

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:28 am**

Maybe some Neanderthal tribes survived a particularly tricky period where their enemies used turtles with explosive diarrhea as projectiles and the only safe method of dealing with them up close was to run up and hit them in the head as soon as they'd grabbed one

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:33 am**

Legend has it Steward was late for every training session in his first two weeks at Leicester until they covered up the lifelike tiger painting at the training ground so he stopped trying to crawl past it in the long grass

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:41 am**

Apparently when Hugo Keenan stoops like that his bowel gasses make him emit a subsonic rumbling that's very similar to the mating call of an enraged mastodon

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:06 am**

Any news of the hearing yet? Was last night?

The RFU allegedly lawyered up to support him.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:10 am**

Rumoured to have been rescinded

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:13 am**

The first comment

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:15 am**

Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:06 am Any news of the hearing yet? Was last night?

The RFU allegedly lawyered up to support him.

Every player at a disciplinary hearing has legal representation. Presumably, when the proces was established, someone involved knew some lawyers whose backs they could scratch

It's an absolute nonsense, but it's completely normal.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:17 am**

Hearing rescinded as no foul play.

Shocked.
Shocked that the many neutral experts here might be wrong

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:26 am**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:24 am We weren't wrong. I like the biff but Steward fucked up. Do you think the elf and safety lads aren't going to love this. Exhibit A as to why rugby doesn't give a fuck about head injuries. Another pyrrhic pointless victory

Apparantly you were though

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:30 am**

ER wasn’t neutral.

I was, and was right. Either downgraded, or the laws changed to make it legal.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:32 am**

Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:30 am ER wasn’t neutral.

I was, and was right. Either downgraded, or the laws changed to make it legal.

Think it's just a mistake. The slow motion replays, the crowd booing and the Irish players screaming for a red had an effect.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:32 am**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:24 am We weren't wrong. I like the biff but Steward fucked up. Do you think the elf and safety lads aren't going to love this. Exhibit A as to why rugby doesn't give a fuck about head injuries. Another pyrrhic pointless victory

Twat

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:46 am**

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:56 am**

Would have been a much more sensible decision at the time. Ah well, hopefully none of the RWC knock-out games are ruined by a red card.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:03 am**

I've no skin in the game, but I think it's worth reflecting that this keeps my 100% record of being right on rugby related matters in over 20 years.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:03 am**

Wondering if they're going to update law interpretation and guidance off the back of this, or is the judgment enough by itself.

I appreciate it's not exactly simple to legislate for 'what happens when someone gets stuck in two minds when opponent drops ball' but it would be good to make sure there's some sense when red cards are issued.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:04 am**

Ah, we still would have lost in the end, but there we go.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:09 am**

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:04 am Ah, we still would have lost in the end, but there we go.

Maybe.

But sadly, *Ireland.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:09 am**

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:27 am**

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:03 am I've no skin in the game, but I think it's worth reflecting that this keeps my 100% record of being right on rugby related matters in over 20 years.

Pah! I've had a 100% record for over 40 years. Though to be fair I am a lot older than you are

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:48 am**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:45 am
Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:30 am ER wasn’t neutral.

I was, and was right. Either downgraded, or the laws changed to make it legal.
Lot of shady characters in England. Look at what their ex PM is up to today. Its a shame they don't have the right sorts supporting rugby like Ireland and NZ

Agreed ER

agreed. The corruption is sickening

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:07 am**

Basking in the moral victory, no doubt that Ireland will now have to live forever with an asterisk over their Grand Slam.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:08 am**

I agree with Sam Neil... we need more women leaders. Ideally women that have raised children, so know how to treat millions of them.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:08 am**

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:27 am
Slick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:03 am I've no skin in the game, but I think it's worth reflecting that this keeps my 100% record of being right on rugby related matters in over 20 years.
Pah! I've had a 100% record for over 40 years. Though to be fair I am a lot older than you are

I was going to make sure I agreed with whatever Slick thinks... but now there are two of you... what happens if you two take opposing sides?

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:09 am**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:07 am Basking in the moral victory, no doubt that Ireland will now have to live forever with an asterisk over their Grand Slam.

Moral victories are so glorious.

It helps offset my shock that so many fellow posters could get it wrong.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:14 am**

Grandpa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:08 am
SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:27 am
Slick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:03 am I've no skin in the game, but I think it's worth reflecting that this keeps my 100% record of being right on rugby related matters in over 20 years.
Pah! I've had a 100% record for over 40 years. Though to be fair I am a lot older than you are
I was going to make sure I agreed with whatever Slick thinks... but now there are two of you... what happens if you two take opposing sides?

Go with Refry as the tiebreaker

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:15 am**

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:09 am
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:07 am Basking in the moral victory, no doubt that Ireland will now have to live forever with an asterisk over their Grand Slam.
Moral victories are so glorious.

It helps offset my shock that so many fellow posters could get it wrong.

Do we need a "Congrats England" thread or will this suffice?

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:18 am**

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:15 am
tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:09 am
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:07 am Basking in the moral victory, no doubt that Ireland will now have to live forever with an asterisk over their Grand Slam.
Moral victories are so glorious.

It helps offset my shock that so many fellow posters could get it wrong.
Do we need a "Congrats England" thread or will this suffice?

We're far too modest for that, but as a compromise I think we can all agree that if he has any decency Sexton will hand back the Triple Crown.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:36 am**

Will no one think of the children/JMK.

Rugby refs talking about the benefits of a 20 minute red, and also a black which covers clear deliberate thuggery.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:48 am**

What's all this moral victory bullshit? We've not the Welsh.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:51 am**

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:14 am
Grandpa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:08 am
SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:27 am
Pah! I've had a 100% record for over 40 years. Though to be fair I am a lot older than you are
I was going to make sure I agreed with whatever Slick thinks... but now there are two of you... what happens if you two take opposing sides?
Go with Refry as the tiebreaker

.....................if you can get past the first 2 or 3 words of his posts

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:55 am**

I for one am outraged that a citing commission made a decision that I strongly disagree with

How dare they

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:55 am**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:18 am
Slick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:15 am
tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:09 am

Moral victories are so glorious.

It helps offset my shock that so many fellow posters could get it wrong.
Do we need a "Congrats England" thread or will this suffice?
We're far too modest for that, but as a compromise I think we can all agree that if he has any decency Sexton will hand back the Triple Crown.

When Keenan has come around and worked out what day of the week it is, he can say sorry for viciously assaulting Steward’s elbow with his face and causing all this kerfuffle!

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:56 am**

I can understand referees being confused now and asking if the guidance has changed so that a hit now can be mitigated down, when up to this point they were previously told it should not be.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:03 pm**

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:56 am I can understand referees being confused now and asking if the guidance has changed so that a hit now can be mitigated down, when up to this point they were previously told it should not be.

WR will come out with a guidance before the RWC that adds a layer or two of confusion and grey areas while also painting the 6N review process in a bad light.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:10 pm**

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:03 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:56 am I can understand referees being confused now and asking if the guidance has changed so that a hit now can be mitigated down, when up to this point they were previously told it should not be.
WR will come out with a guidance before the RWC that adds a layer or two of confusion and grey areas while also painting the 6N review process in a bad light.

WR needs to bite the bullet the same way FIFA did in 1994. Make the changes, send people off in your biggest event, persist in the face of howling.

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