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Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:52 am**

Cartman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:40 pm I think Jalibert will fold under the pressure we bring
I predict he's going to have a terrible game

How did that work out in November?

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:40 pm**

AE & Moodie wont start for starters.

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:47 pm**

assfly wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:33 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:54 am Only the Souties play with toks.
Of course. Ethnic origin determines whether you wear shoes or not

Cape Town southern suburbs, wet weather.

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:58 pm**

laurent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:36 am
Sards wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:52 am
laurent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:02 am
Not a single club in france would do that (I am 54 and we played in boots when I was U10 and my little bro U8)
That's astounding. It's safer for the under 10s to under 13s to not wear boots. Well that's our reasoning.
Soft cock French
Not sure how this would be safer on wet grass /ground

Dr Danie Craven, said youngsters should play barefooted because it encourages them to play "running rugby", they are more sure-footed and it reinforces the idea that rugby is after only a game, especially at that level.

For AF.

When our Headmaster deigned to organise fixtures against an Afrikaans school, who refused to play in boots, we were forced to wear "plimsolls" i.e sneakers or the more popular South African term - "tackies".

The push towards barefoot rugby in the Natal Rugby Union has accelerated. In my day, the odd representative side had a barefoot (Afrikaans) player or two amongst 13 or 14 shod (English) players - this was dangerous. The Natal team, for many years, did not compete in the national primary schools week because they did not play barefoot but happily pressure has changed that.

Now they actively promote Mini Rugby as curtain raisers at the King's Park Stadium before the Natal Sharks games. They parade onto the ground with banners like "Bakers Mini Rugby do it Barefoot" and in the match programmes there advertisements which state that Mini Rugby is safe because we do it barefoot. I'm writing this just before I go to play touch rugby at lunch time, we all play barefoot, of course!

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:12 pm**

Dr Danie Kraven is a bit of a cult figure in SA but has no followers here.

as all kids play in rugby / soccer boot and hardly ever get injuries I am not sure were he got that (note that some clubs here only have astro).

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:17 pm**

We played barefoot up to U9, but then switched to boots. You need boots if you want to have something approaching a working scrum as a 11 year old.....

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:27 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:17 pm We played barefoot up to U9, but then switched to boots. You need boots if you want to have something approaching a working scrum as a 11 year old.....

Fat Frans and Kitshoff did their barefoot scrumming in the Boland. They scrummed in Soup Rugby as under 19s.

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:37 pm**

laurent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:12 pm as all kids play in rugby / soccer boot and hardly ever get injuries I am not sure were he got that (note that some clubs here only have astro).

The Afrikaans kids dont do soccer in primary school. Playing bare foot on the astro will be much better then playing rugby in South Africa Inland which have frost in winter and no grass mostly.

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:39 pm**

Average Joe will know everything about playing the frost of the rugby pitch as a young kid. Kicking a rugby ball with cold blue tones needs a special skill.

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:58 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:42 am "We'll win or lose"

Eggman is a genius.

I should hook you up with Guy Smilie. You could go panty shopping together

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:02 pm**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:37 pm
laurent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:12 pm as all kids play in rugby / soccer boot and hardly ever get injuries I am not sure were he got that (note that some clubs here only have astro).
The Afrikaans kids dont do soccer in primary school. Playing bare foot on the astro will be much better then playing rugby in South Africa Inland which have frost in winter and no grass mostly.

The kids hate ASTRO. The grass burns aren't the same.

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:15 pm**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:39 pm Average Joe will know everything about playing the frost of the rugby pitch as a young kid. Kicking a rugby ball with cold blue tones needs a special skill.

Of course, because nobody else in the world has ever done that

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:20 pm**

Sards wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:02 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:37 pm
laurent wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:12 pm as all kids play in rugby / soccer boot and hardly ever get injuries I am not sure were he got that (note that some clubs here only have astro).
The Afrikaans kids dont do soccer in primary school. Playing bare foot on the astro will be much better then playing rugby in South Africa Inland which have frost in winter and no grass mostly.
The kids hate ASTRO. The grass burns aren't the same.

Thats hockey astro. The rugby astros is thicker and much softer.

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:43 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:42 am "We'll win or lose"

Eggman is a genius.

Sardy is right though. Both sets of supporters know they have a side capable of winning the RWC, both know they could lose this one, both will be hurting if they lose this one.

It's shit this is the quarterfinal match. One side basically doesn't even get remembered, given the draw the other is very likely to reach the final.

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:08 pm**

_Os_ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:43 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:42 am "We'll win or lose"

Eggman is a genius.
Sardy is right though. Both sets of supporters know they have a side capable of winning the RWC, both know they could lose this one, both will be hurting if they lose this one.

It's shit this is the quarterfinal match. One side basically doesn't even get remembered, given the draw the other is very likely to reach the final.

I don't even remember who wins the 3rd place play-off.

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:04 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:08 pm
_Os_ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:43 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:42 am "We'll win or lose"

Eggman is a genius.
Sardy is right though. Both sets of supporters know they have a side capable of winning the RWC, both know they could lose this one, both will be hurting if they lose this one.

It's shit this is the quarterfinal match. One side basically doesn't even get remembered, given the draw the other is very likely to reach the final.
I don't even remember who wins the 3rd place play-off.

I do when the Boks are in it, shows heart to play that match and win it. Boks have only gone out in the quarters twice, 2011 was probably my worst experience as a supporter, good/excellent team that went nowhere not even the 3rd place match.

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:40 pm**

_Os_ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:04 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:08 pm
_Os_ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:43 pm
Sardy is right though. Both sets of supporters know they have a side capable of winning the RWC, both know they could lose this one, both will be hurting if they lose this one.

It's shit this is the quarterfinal match. One side basically doesn't even get remembered, given the draw the other is very likely to reach the final.
I don't even remember who wins the 3rd place play-off.
I do when the Boks are in it, shows heart to play that match and win it. Boks have only gone out in the quarters twice, 2011 was probably my worst experience as a supporter, good/excellent team that went nowhere not even the 3rd place match.

I attend the 1999 in Cardiff when we beat the All Blacks.

Posted: **Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:27 pm**

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:39 am**

These comments around not touching du Pont's head are interesting. I think it will affect him more than us. Of course a reckless hit on his head is a red card, it would be for any player. But he'll be the one second guessing when he goes into contact.

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:56 am**

assfly wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:39 am These comments around not touching du Pont's head are interesting. I think it will affect him more than us. Of course a reckless hit on his head is a red card, it would be for any player. But he'll be the one second guessing when he goes into contact.

Yep, it's a shit situation for him to be in, especially with the stakes being so high. I hope he makes it through without any further damage.

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:18 am**

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:56 am
assfly wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:39 am These comments around not touching du Pont's head are interesting. I think it will affect him more than us. Of course a reckless hit on his head is a red card, it would be for any player. But he'll be the one second guessing when he goes into contact.
Yep, it's a shit situation for him to be in, especially with the stakes being so high. I hope he makes it through without any further damage.

Agree. The management should have taken the decision out of his hands and said "you're not playing". Unfortunately, Fra doesn't have a great track record for respecting its own player's safety and especially ones from Toulouse: think Castaignede (effectively ended his career) and Fritz.

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:58 am**

Springbok team to face France in Paris:
15 – Damian Willemse – 36 caps, 56 pts (4t, 9c, 4p, 2d)
14 – Kurt-Lee Arendse – 12 caps, 60 pts (12t)
13 – Jesse Kriel – 65 caps, 75 pts (15t)
12 – Damian de Allende – 75 caps, 50 pts (10t)
11 – Cheslin Kolbe – 28 caps, 86 pts (13t, 3c, 5p)
10 – Manie Libbok – 12 caps, 80 pts (1t, 24c, 9p)
9 – Cobus Reinach – 29 caps, 60 pts (12t)
8 – Duane Vermeulen – 73 caps, 15 pts (3t)
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit – 73 caps, 40 pts (8t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain) – 80 caps, 50 pts (10t)
5 – Franco Mostert – 70 caps, 15 pts (3t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth – 116 caps, 25 pts (5t)
3 – Frans Malherbe – 66 caps, 5pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi – 65 caps, 65pts (13t)
1 – Steven Kitshoff – 80 caps, 10 pts (2t)
Replacements:
16 – Deon Fourie – 10 caps, 10 pts (2t)
17 – Ox Nche – 25 caps, 0 pts
18 – Vincent Koch – 47 caps, 0pts
19 – RG Snyman – 31 caps, 5pts (1t)
20 – Kwagga Smith – 37 caps, 35 pts (7t)
21 – Faf de Klerk – 52 caps, 48 pts (5t, 4c, 5p)
22 – Handre Pollard – 67 caps, 673 pts (7t, 94c, 145p, 5d)
23 – Willie le Roux – 90 caps, 75 pts (15t)

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:07 am**

Boks by 1000 points

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:12 am**

Ok, thats a bit of a surprise.

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:13 am**

laurent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:07 am Boks by 1000 points

Typical French arrogance.

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:16 am**

Kobus starting is a big surprise.

2 issue,
DDA & Kriel, particularly DDA

No fetcher until Kwagga come on.

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:22 am**

How many kicks will Manie be allowed to miss before he is replaced?

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:11 am**

Chilli wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:22 am How many kicks will Manie be allowed to miss before he is replaced?

You just hit the nail there line and sinker. This test will depend on the way Manie runs the 1st half. My english wont allow me to write a filofax but I am glad Rasnaber is prepared to put their trust in Manie. Obvious we will try and run them off their feet in the first 60 minutes and then play conservative with Faf and Pollard to settle it.

Its a make or break test for Libbok. If he get it right, we will nail this one.

Go Manie!

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:12 am**

Interesting team.

After all that noise about 6-2, 7-1, 8-0, we go for a boring 5-3 split on the bench

Cobus ahead of Faf is a huge call. I can see why, I think CR has played out of his skin whenever given the chance and may be a better match to try and nullify the threat from Anton "not the face" du Pont.

Duane ahead of Jasper too. I think he's picked as our one and only jackle in the starting XV.

I would have been tempted to start Moody on the wing.

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:13 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:11 am
Chilli wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:22 am How many kicks will Manie be allowed to miss before he is replaced?
You just hit the nail there line and sinker. This test will depend on the way Manie runs the 1st half. My english wont allow me to write a filofax but I am glad Rasnaber is prepared to put their trust in Manie. Obvious we will try and run them off their feet in the first 60 minutes and then play conservative with Faf and Pollard to settle it.

Its a make or break test for Libbok. If he get it right, we will nail this one.

Go Manie!

Time for experimenting should be over by now

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:16 am**

Chilli wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:58 am Springbok team to face France in Paris:
15 – Damian Willemse – 36 caps, 56 pts (4t, 9c, 4p, 2d)
14 – Kurt-Lee Arendse – 12 caps, 60 pts (12t)
13 – Jesse Kriel – 65 caps, 75 pts (15t)
12 – Damian de Allende – 75 caps, 50 pts (10t)
11 – Cheslin Kolbe – 28 caps, 86 pts (13t, 3c, 5p)
10 – Manie Libbok – 12 caps, 80 pts (1t, 24c, 9p)
9 – Cobus Reinach – 29 caps, 60 pts (12t)
8 – Duane Vermeulen – 73 caps, 15 pts (3t)
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit – 73 caps, 40 pts (8t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain) – 80 caps, 50 pts (10t)
5 – Franco Mostert – 70 caps, 15 pts (3t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth – 116 caps, 25 pts (5t)
3 – Frans Malherbe – 66 caps, 5pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi – 65 caps, 65pts (13t)
1 – Steven Kitshoff – 80 caps, 10 pts (2t)
Replacements:
16 – Deon Fourie – 10 caps, 10 pts (2t)
17 – Ox Nche – 25 caps, 0 pts
18 – Vincent Koch – 47 caps, 0pts
19 – RG Snyman – 31 caps, 5pts (1t)
20 – Kwagga Smith – 37 caps, 35 pts (7t)
21 – Faf de Klerk – 52 caps, 48 pts (5t, 4c, 5p)
22 – Handre Pollard – 67 caps, 673 pts (7t, 94c, 145p, 5d)
23 – Willie le Roux – 90 caps, 75 pts (15t)

Nope. No way! I'm not commenting on that team until I know it's not a troll's selection!

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:17 am**

boere wors wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:13 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:11 am
Chilli wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:22 am How many kicks will Manie be allowed to miss before he is replaced?
You just hit the nail there line and sinker. This test will depend on the way Manie runs the 1st half. My english wont allow me to write a filofax but I am glad Rasnaber is prepared to put their trust in Manie. Obvious we will try and run them off their feet in the first 60 minutes and then play conservative with Faf and Pollard to settle it.

Its a make or break test for Libbok. If he get it right, we will nail this one.

Go Manie!
Time for experimenting should be over by now

The experiments have been done Boet. Against France and Ireland, you cant afford to give them possession with high kick and charge and box kicks. You need to run at them, test their defense, keep possession.

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:18 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:17 am
boere wors wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:13 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:11 am
You just hit the nail there line and sinker. This test will depend on the way Manie runs the 1st half. My english wont allow me to write a filofax but I am glad Rasnaber is prepared to put their trust in Manie. Obvious we will try and run them off their feet in the first 60 minutes and then play conservative with Faf and Pollard to settle it.

Its a make or break test for Libbok. If he get it right, we will nail this one.

Go Manie!
Time for experimenting should be over by now
The experiments have been done Boet. Against France and Ireland, you cant afford to give them possession with high kick and charge and box kicks. You need to run at them, test their defense, keep possession.

Amen Oom

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:21 am**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:16 am Nope. No way! I'm not commenting on that team until I know it's not a troll's selection!

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Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:26 am**

boere wors wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:13 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:11 am
Chilli wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:22 am How many kicks will Manie be allowed to miss before he is replaced?
You just hit the nail there line and sinker. This test will depend on the way Manie runs the 1st half. My english wont allow me to write a filofax but I am glad Rasnaber is prepared to put their trust in Manie. Obvious we will try and run them off their feet in the first 60 minutes and then play conservative with Faf and Pollard to settle it.

Its a make or break test for Libbok. If he get it right, we will nail this one.

Go Manie!
Time for experimenting should be over by now

It's hardly experimenting though is it Boerie?

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:26 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:40 pm
_Os_ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:04 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:08 pm

I don't even remember who wins the 3rd place play-off.
I do when the Boks are in it, shows heart to play that match and win it. Boks have only gone out in the quarters twice, 2011 was probably my worst experience as a supporter, good/excellent team that went nowhere not even the 3rd place match.
I attend the 1999 in Cardiff when we beat the All Blacks.

I still remember the Breyton Paulse try from that one, a good win. 1999 was the one which got away.

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:29 am**

_Os_ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:26 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:40 pm
_Os_ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:04 pm
I do when the Boks are in it, shows heart to play that match and win it. Boks have only gone out in the quarters twice, 2011 was probably my worst experience as a supporter, good/excellent team that went nowhere not even the 3rd place match.
I attend the 1999 in Cardiff when we beat the All Blacks.
I still remember the Breyton Paulse try from that one, a good win. 1999 was the one which got away.

Yes. I also went to the France vs Wallaby final. What a day that was for me. First time in the UK and got lost after the final, feel like a man on the moon between all the dragons.

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:30 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:17 am
boere wors wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:13 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:11 am
You just hit the nail there line and sinker. This test will depend on the way Manie runs the 1st half. My english wont allow me to write a filofax but I am glad Rasnaber is prepared to put their trust in Manie. Obvious we will try and run them off their feet in the first 60 minutes and then play conservative with Faf and Pollard to settle it.

Its a make or break test for Libbok. If he get it right, we will nail this one.

Go Manie!
Time for experimenting should be over by now
The experiments have been done Boet. Against France and Ireland, you cant afford to give them possession with high kick and charge and box kicks. You need to run at them, test their defense, keep possession.

I agree with that, yet the insurance on the bench makes me wonder a bit if they trust that approach.

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:32 am**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:16 am
Chilli wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:58 am Springbok team to face France in Paris:
15 – Damian Willemse – 36 caps, 56 pts (4t, 9c, 4p, 2d)
14 – Kurt-Lee Arendse – 12 caps, 60 pts (12t)
13 – Jesse Kriel – 65 caps, 75 pts (15t)
12 – Damian de Allende – 75 caps, 50 pts (10t)
11 – Cheslin Kolbe – 28 caps, 86 pts (13t, 3c, 5p)
10 – Manie Libbok – 12 caps, 80 pts (1t, 24c, 9p)
9 – Cobus Reinach – 29 caps, 60 pts (12t)
8 – Duane Vermeulen – 73 caps, 15 pts (3t)
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit – 73 caps, 40 pts (8t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain) – 80 caps, 50 pts (10t)
5 – Franco Mostert – 70 caps, 15 pts (3t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth – 116 caps, 25 pts (5t)
3 – Frans Malherbe – 66 caps, 5pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi – 65 caps, 65pts (13t)
1 – Steven Kitshoff – 80 caps, 10 pts (2t)
Replacements:
16 – Deon Fourie – 10 caps, 10 pts (2t)
17 – Ox Nche – 25 caps, 0 pts
18 – Vincent Koch – 47 caps, 0pts
19 – RG Snyman – 31 caps, 5pts (1t)
20 – Kwagga Smith – 37 caps, 35 pts (7t)
21 – Faf de Klerk – 52 caps, 48 pts (5t, 4c, 5p)
22 – Handre Pollard – 67 caps, 673 pts (7t, 94c, 145p, 5d)
23 – Willie le Roux – 90 caps, 75 pts (15t)
Nope. No way! I'm not commenting on that team until I know it's not a troll's selection!

A simple "fuck you Chilli", will suffice.

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:32 am**

laurent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:07 am Boks by 1000 points

Nah, I'm not getting that vibe from this one.

This French side and this Bok side haven't played eachother much, the one time they did it was a bit of a mess. Impossible to be sure of anything going into it.

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