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Millions have attended the Gaza protests up and down the country with hardly any trouble, the press and Tories denouncing them left right and centre. These fucking "patriots" protest by burning vehicles, smashing shops, attacking coppers....

If only we knew what they were protesting about, is it Muslims, Immigrants, brown people, wokeness, pylons, Covid vaccines? I mean if we could just reach out and understand their problems.....

epwc wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:54 am
If only we knew what they were protesting about, is it Muslims, Immigrants, brown people, wokeness, pylons, Covid vaccines? I mean if we could just reach out and understand their problems.....

epwc wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:54 am Millions have attended the Gaza protests up and down the country with hardly any trouble, the press and Tories denouncing them left right and centre. These fucking "patriots" protest by burning vehicles, smashing shops, attacking coppers....

If only we knew what they were protesting about, is it Muslims, Immigrants, brown people, wokeness, pylons, Covid vaccines? I mean if we could just reach out and understand their problems.....

Pmsl

It does seem like there is a lot of anger, particularly from men, floating about these days. You can almost feel it in the air.

The problem is you can't even open a discussion about it, because it takes about 5mins for it to turn into something like "Oh yeah, I'm sure men have it sooo difficult. Fuck off."

In an attempt to talk about it, and not to excuse anyone who is just a dick head, here are some things that I think is going on.

- Life is just a bit shit at the moment. In a very stereotype kind of way, when things aren't going well women tend to get sad and men tend to get angry. I know a lot of women who tell me that they have anxiety/depression. A lot. If I were to put a number on it I'd say about 70%+. I guess what I'm trying to say is when things aren't going well, women in general get sad and worried, men get angry, and tend to bottle it up or look for someone to blame.
- It's much easier to blame someone/something else. I see it all the time, even do it all the time. A simple example: I put the oven on, cook something in it and when it's time for the food to come out I open the door with my face right by it. "Fucking oven" I say, as I've just got a pus full of hot air. Not the ovens fault. My fault. Maybe I should stop doing that.
- If financially things are not going well, I think that in some families the man gets the blame. Doesn't have a good enough job, lazy etc. etc.
- As a loving husband, I am expected to listen very intently to my wife's problems. Most days my wife will come home and tell me about her working day, 30mins to and hour of this I would say most evenings. If I try to talk about my work once a week, in 2mins my wife is yawning, on her phone and desperately looking for something else to do. This is a bit of a jokey example, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that men are encouraged to talk, but the reality is no one (not just women, no one) wants to listen to male problems.

I am not in any way trying to say that men have it worse, but it must surely be possible to have a discussion about why we've got some much anger kicking about without it being shut down immediately.

C T wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:03 pm I am not in any way trying to say that men have it worse, but it must surely be possible to have a discussion about why we've got some much anger kicking about without it being shut down immediately.

It clearly needs some level of understanding. But the facts are that just by living in the UK you are already in the top 2% of the wealthiest people in the world, you have access to free healthcare and education, there is democracy, a decent level of policing, land rights and so much other stuff that the bulk of the world can only dream of....then there's the privilege of being white and male.

Should be a separate thread though I think.

18 next week apparently.

The suspect, 17, in the Southport killings has been named after a judge ruled against concealing his identity.

As we have previously reported, the suspect has been named as Axel Rudakubana, born 7 August 2006.

The teenager was born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents.

He moved to the Southport area in 2013. He has been living in Banks, a village in Lancashire, a few miles north of Southport.



https://news.sky.com/story/southport-vi ... s-13186819

Shame he didn't do this 2 months ago - Tories could have been deported him back to Rwanda to a nice, safe prison.

C T wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:03 pm It does seem like there is a lot of anger, particularly from men, floating about these days. You can almost feel it in the air.

The problem is you can't even open a discussion about it, because it takes about 5mins for it to turn into something like "Oh yeah, I'm sure men have it sooo difficult. Fuck off."

In an attempt to talk about it, and not to excuse anyone who is just a dick head, here are some things that I think is going on.

- Life is just a bit shit at the moment. In a very stereotype kind of way, when things aren't going well women tend to get sad and men tend to get angry. I know a lot of women who tell me that they have anxiety/depression. A lot. If I were to put a number on it I'd say about 70%+. I guess what I'm trying to say is when things aren't going well, women in general get sad and worried, men get angry, and tend to bottle it up or look for someone to blame.
- It's much easier to blame someone/something else. I see it all the time, even do it all the time. A simple example: I put the oven on, cook something in it and when it's time for the food to come out I open the door with my face right by it. "Fucking oven" I say, as I've just got a pus full of hot air. Not the ovens fault. My fault. Maybe I should stop doing that.
- If financially things are not going well, I think that in some families the man gets the blame. Doesn't have a good enough job, lazy etc. etc.
- As a loving husband, I am expected to listen very intently to my wife's problems. Most days my wife will come home and tell me about her working day, 30mins to and hour of this I would say most evenings. If I try to talk about my work once a week, in 2mins my wife is yawning, on her phone and desperately looking for something else to do. This is a bit of a jokey example, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that men are encouraged to talk, but the reality is no one (not just women, no one) wants to listen to male problems.

I am not in any way trying to say that men have it worse, but it must surely be possible to have a discussion about why we've got some much anger kicking about without it being shut down immediately.

I have noticed a fair amount of discourse in men my sort of age (late 20s to mid 30s) around women either rejecting listening to the problems of the men in their life, categorising it as undue or excessive emotional labour or men saying that opening up often gets weaponised against them in the relationship or directly leads to being dumped because while women think they want an emotionally open man, they are socially conditioned to expect a stoic one devoid of an internal emotional life.

Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 2:13 pm
And stupid people have been believing bullshit since the first time someone stood preaching on a mount in a desert....

Religion for the murder and mayhem indeed, all nicely based on utter nonsense. Although more a symptom of humanity than religion even if it nicely illustrates our willingness to believe in gibberish

tabascoboy wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:01 pm 18 next week apparently.

The suspect, 17, in the Southport killings has been named after a judge ruled against concealing his identity.

As we have previously reported, the suspect has been named as Axel Rudakubana, born 7 August 2006.

The teenager was born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents.

He moved to the Southport area in 2013. He has been living in Banks, a village in Lancashire, a few miles north of Southport.



https://news.sky.com/story/southport-vi ... s-13186819

His parents and older brother have been taken to a place of safety and currently have close police protection.

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:31 pm

C T wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:03 pm It does seem like there is a lot of anger, particularly from men, floating about these days. You can almost feel it in the air.

The problem is you can't even open a discussion about it, because it takes about 5mins for it to turn into something like "Oh yeah, I'm sure men have it sooo difficult. Fuck off."

In an attempt to talk about it, and not to excuse anyone who is just a dick head, here are some things that I think is going on.

- Life is just a bit shit at the moment. In a very stereotype kind of way, when things aren't going well women tend to get sad and men tend to get angry. I know a lot of women who tell me that they have anxiety/depression. A lot. If I were to put a number on it I'd say about 70%+. I guess what I'm trying to say is when things aren't going well, women in general get sad and worried, men get angry, and tend to bottle it up or look for someone to blame.
- It's much easier to blame someone/something else. I see it all the time, even do it all the time. A simple example: I put the oven on, cook something in it and when it's time for the food to come out I open the door with my face right by it. "Fucking oven" I say, as I've just got a pus full of hot air. Not the ovens fault. My fault. Maybe I should stop doing that.
- If financially things are not going well, I think that in some families the man gets the blame. Doesn't have a good enough job, lazy etc. etc.
- As a loving husband, I am expected to listen very intently to my wife's problems. Most days my wife will come home and tell me about her working day, 30mins to and hour of this I would say most evenings. If I try to talk about my work once a week, in 2mins my wife is yawning, on her phone and desperately looking for something else to do. This is a bit of a jokey example, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that men are encouraged to talk, but the reality is no one (not just women, no one) wants to listen to male problems.

I am not in any way trying to say that men have it worse, but it must surely be possible to have a discussion about why we've got some much anger kicking about without it being shut down immediately.

I have noticed a fair amount of discourse in men my sort of age (late 20s to mid 30s) around women either rejecting listening to the problems of the men in their life, categorising it as undue or excessive emotional labour or men saying that opening up often gets weaponised against them in the relationship or directly leads to being dumped because while women think they want an emotionally open man, they are socially conditioned to expect a stoic one devoid of an internal emotional life.

We discussed this and similar issues a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a fair generational divide in that the older someone in the discussion was the less they felt this was a genuine issue. Don’t think we got very far.

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:36 pmWe discussed this and similar issues a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a fair generational divide in that the older someone in the discussion was the less they felt this was a genuine issue. Don’t think we got very far.

It clearly is an issue though, so maybe there should be a thread on it

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:36 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:31 pm

C T wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:03 pm It does seem like there is a lot of anger, particularly from men, floating about these days. You can almost feel it in the air.

The problem is you can't even open a discussion about it, because it takes about 5mins for it to turn into something like "Oh yeah, I'm sure men have it sooo difficult. Fuck off."

In an attempt to talk about it, and not to excuse anyone who is just a dick head, here are some things that I think is going on.

- Life is just a bit shit at the moment. In a very stereotype kind of way, when things aren't going well women tend to get sad and men tend to get angry. I know a lot of women who tell me that they have anxiety/depression. A lot. If I were to put a number on it I'd say about 70%+. I guess what I'm trying to say is when things aren't going well, women in general get sad and worried, men get angry, and tend to bottle it up or look for someone to blame.
- It's much easier to blame someone/something else. I see it all the time, even do it all the time. A simple example: I put the oven on, cook something in it and when it's time for the food to come out I open the door with my face right by it. "Fucking oven" I say, as I've just got a pus full of hot air. Not the ovens fault. My fault. Maybe I should stop doing that.
- If financially things are not going well, I think that in some families the man gets the blame. Doesn't have a good enough job, lazy etc. etc.
- As a loving husband, I am expected to listen very intently to my wife's problems. Most days my wife will come home and tell me about her working day, 30mins to and hour of this I would say most evenings. If I try to talk about my work once a week, in 2mins my wife is yawning, on her phone and desperately looking for something else to do. This is a bit of a jokey example, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that men are encouraged to talk, but the reality is no one (not just women, no one) wants to listen to male problems.

I am not in any way trying to say that men have it worse, but it must surely be possible to have a discussion about why we've got some much anger kicking about without it being shut down immediately.

I have noticed a fair amount of discourse in men my sort of age (late 20s to mid 30s) around women either rejecting listening to the problems of the men in their life, categorising it as undue or excessive emotional labour or men saying that opening up often gets weaponised against them in the relationship or directly leads to being dumped because while women think they want an emotionally open man, they are socially conditioned to expect a stoic one devoid of an internal emotional life.

We discussed this and similar issues a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a fair generational divide in that the older someone in the discussion was the less they felt this was a genuine issue. Don’t think we got very far.

Ah yes. I vaguely remember that. Couldn't really keep pace with the thread so I largely stayed out of it.

In hindsight I shouldn't have commented on this one, it might drag things way off track from the Southport incident.

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:25 pm Shame he didn't do this 2 months ago - Tories could have been deported him back to Rwanda to a nice, safe prison.

He's British so cannot be sent "back" anywhere.

Going off in Glasgow next month if that snivelling toerag Yaxley-Lennon has his way. Hopefully he'll be banged up before then

Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar has said he has “no doubt” Glasgow will reject the far-right ahead of a planned protest, reports the PA news agency.
A “pro-UK rally” has been planned for the city’s George Square on 7 September, with English Defence League (EDL) founder Tommy Robinson – whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon – promoting the event on social media.

_Os_ wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:41 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:25 pm Shame he didn't do this 2 months ago - Tories could have been deported him back to Rwanda to a nice, safe prison.

He's British so cannot be sent "back" anywhere.

Mind the sarchasm, Oxbot.

SaintK wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:51 pm Going off in Glasgow next month if that snivelling toerag Yaxley-Lennon has his way. Hopefully he'll be banged up before then

Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar has said he has “no doubt” Glasgow will reject the far-right ahead of a planned protest, reports the PA news agency.
A “pro-UK rally” has been planned for the city’s George Square on 7 September, with English Defence League (EDL) founder Tommy Robinson – whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon – promoting the event on social media.

That will be interesting for a number of reasons

epwc wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:37 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:36 pmWe discussed this and similar issues a few weeks ago, there seemed to be a fair generational divide in that the older someone in the discussion was the less they felt this was a genuine issue. Don’t think we got very far.

It clearly is an issue though, so maybe there should be a thread on it

Happy to discuss elsewhere, would agree this is the wrong thread

I’ve known who it was and his background since Tuesday which is why DAC spouting his usual unfounded paranoid racist bile would me up so much.

Slick wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:00 pm

SaintK wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:51 pm Going off in Glasgow next month if that snivelling toerag Yaxley-Lennon has his way. Hopefully he'll be banged up before then

Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar has said he has “no doubt” Glasgow will reject the far-right ahead of a planned protest, reports the PA news agency.
A “pro-UK rally” has been planned for the city’s George Square on 7 September, with English Defence League (EDL) founder Tommy Robinson – whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon – promoting the event on social media.

That will be interesting for a number of reasons

Oh dear I hope the usual traveling 'support' don't travel up from England for the gig!

Can't watch it I'm at work, but absolutely the right approach to engage, and what I would have done in the circumstances

epwc wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:27 pm Can't watch it I'm at work, but absolutely the right approach to engage, and what I would have done in the circumstances

It’s around the corner from one of our schools. As a mosque they are open to anybody visiting and are so engaged and supportive in the community.

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:25 pm Shame he didn't do this 2 months ago - Tories could have been deported him back to Rwanda to a nice, safe prison.

That irony wasn't lost on me either.

sefton wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:31 pm

epwc wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:27 pm Can't watch it I'm at work, but absolutely the right approach to engage, and what I would have done in the circumstances

It’s around the corner from one of our schools. As a mosque they are open to anybody visiting and are so engaged and supportive in the community.

Thanks for posting the link.

Matey boy has pleaded guilty to murdering the three girls.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... hree-girls


The thought of this tragedy still gives me the shivers. Horrific.

inactionman wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:04 pm Matey boy has pleaded guilty to murdering the three girls.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... hree-girls


The thought of this tragedy still gives me the shivers. Horrific.

Sounds like the penny has dropped with what he has done

Keir Starmer talking a lot but doesn't seem to be saying fuck all.

Another public enquiry - that should sort it. Good earner for his mates though

Slick wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:03 pm

inactionman wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:04 pm Matey boy has pleaded guilty to murdering the three girls.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... hree-girls


The thought of this tragedy still gives me the shivers. Horrific.

Sounds like the penny has dropped with what he has done

Doesn’t look like he will grow up to be an engineer or a doctor then - will likely need the latter soon though.

inactionman wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:04 pm Matey boy has pleaded guilty to murdering the three girls.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... hree-girls


The thought of this tragedy still gives me the shivers. Horrific.

They had started keeping the doors locked during my daughter's dance lessons, they seem to have stopped bothering already, didnt take long

Adolf Musk will be furious about this Enquiry and the clear links Starmer has drawn with the social media influence! The implied threat of more regulation and expectation that social media firms will have to police their own content will really piss him off. Expect more incoming shit from Herr Elon about Starmer, just as soon as he has come down from his ketamine high and taken his jackboots off.

sturginho wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:40 am

inactionman wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:04 pm Matey boy has pleaded guilty to murdering the three girls.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... hree-girls


The thought of this tragedy still gives me the shivers. Horrific.

They had started keeping the doors locked during my daughter's dance lessons, they seem to have stopped bothering already, didnt take long

I'd say the event is considered so extraordinary that it's not going to be repeated, although the consequence of it being repeated doesn't bear thinking about. Quite where we place all this on the risk management spectrum I'm not sure

I don't want to live in a world where we have to lock each and every door and be constantly fearful, but I don't want my/any kids butchered.

I'm not sure where the sensible level is. My youngest's dance class and both my daughters' gym classes have a buzzer for entry on an electronic door, these are both recent additions so there's some impact of what went on in Southport being felt around the country.

dpedin wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:45 am Adolf Musk will be furious about this Enquiry and the clear links Starmer has drawn with the social media influence! The implied threat of more regulation and expectation that social media firms will have to police their own content will really piss him off. Expect more incoming shit from Herr Elon about Starmer, just as soon as he has come down from his ketamine high and taken his jackboots off.

I think it’s fair to say that if we once again focus on people being mean on the internet in the aftermath of cold blooded murder we have utterly failed, again

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:37 am

dpedin wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:45 am Adolf Musk will be furious about this Enquiry and the clear links Starmer has drawn with the social media influence! The implied threat of more regulation and expectation that social media firms will have to police their own content will really piss him off. Expect more incoming shit from Herr Elon about Starmer, just as soon as he has come down from his ketamine high and taken his jackboots off.

I think it’s fair to say that if we once again focus on people being mean on the internet in the aftermath of cold blooded murder we have utterly failed, again

Wrong end of the stick!

It appears the cold hearted murderer was using social media to access and watch some pretty extreme violent and dangerous sites including how to make ricin, Al Qaeda handbook, genocidal acts, watching graphic videos of actual murders and purchase of weapons. It appears he was in effect radicalized online but not by a state run or organized terrorist group but just by watching sick videos which fed what appears to be an underlying mental health issue. Question is should a lot of this info be readily available on line, particularly to a sick teenager, without any apparent checks, constraints, etc. This is the issue that will push Herr Musk and his social media mates over the edge, any attempt to regulate what they can and cant show on their sites will lead to an almighty fight. it hits their pockets!

On a separate point, Starmer indicated that he is willing to change the law re terrorism. At the moment this murderer cant be jailed for a full life term due to his age, unless his crime fits under the definition of terrorism. At the moment his crime isn't terrorism, he was acting alone, hence Starmer's point about the need to review the definition to allow a full life term in the future.

dpedin wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:02 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:37 am

dpedin wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:45 am Adolf Musk will be furious about this Enquiry and the clear links Starmer has drawn with the social media influence! The implied threat of more regulation and expectation that social media firms will have to police their own content will really piss him off. Expect more incoming shit from Herr Elon about Starmer, just as soon as he has come down from his ketamine high and taken his jackboots off.

I think it’s fair to say that if we once again focus on people being mean on the internet in the aftermath of cold blooded murder we have utterly failed, again

Wrong end of the stick!

It appears the cold hearted murderer was using social media to access and watch some pretty extreme violent and dangerous sites including how to make ricin, Al Qaeda handbook, genocidal acts, watching graphic videos of actual murders and purchase of weapons. It appears he was in effect radicalized online but not by a state run or organized terrorist group but just by watching sick videos which fed what appears to be an underlying mental health issue. Question is should a lot of this info be readily available on line, particularly to a sick teenager, without any apparent checks, constraints, etc. This is the issue that will push Herr Musk and his social media mates over the edge, any attempt to regulate what they can and cant show on their sites will lead to an almighty fight. it hits their pockets!

On a separate point, Starmer indicated that he is willing to change the law re terrorism. At the moment this murderer cant be jailed for a full life term due to his age, unless his crime fits under the definition of terrorism. At the moment his crime isn't terrorism, he was acting alone, hence Starmer's point about the need to review the definition to allow a full life term in the future.

We can certainly agree on the sentencing. How on earth are we at a point as a society where murdering three children doesn’t carry a whole life tariff by default?

Dan Hodges of all people putting the shit stirrers Tice and Frogface in their place

I get the conspiracy theorists peddling their crazy Southport lines. It’s their grift. But what’s unforgivable is politicians - and even some journalists - who know precisely what restrictions are imposed when major cases are pending suddenly pretend to be ignorant of them.

Yeeb wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:10 am

Slick wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:03 pm

inactionman wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:04 pm Matey boy has pleaded guilty to murdering the three girls.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... hree-girls


The thought of this tragedy still gives me the shivers. Horrific.

Sounds like the penny has dropped with what he has done

Doesn’t look like he will grow up to be an engineer or a doctor then - will likely need the latter soon though.

The annoying thing is he will be put in a prison with like minded individuals to be radicalised further. They should send all these pricks to places like Barlinnie and Peterhead.

dpedin wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:02 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:37 am

dpedin wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:45 am Adolf Musk will be furious about this Enquiry and the clear links Starmer has drawn with the social media influence! The implied threat of more regulation and expectation that social media firms will have to police their own content will really piss him off. Expect more incoming shit from Herr Elon about Starmer, just as soon as he has come down from his ketamine high and taken his jackboots off.

I think it’s fair to say that if we once again focus on people being mean on the internet in the aftermath of cold blooded murder we have utterly failed, again

Wrong end of the stick!

It appears the cold hearted murderer was using social media to access and watch some pretty extreme violent and dangerous sites including how to make ricin, Al Qaeda handbook, genocidal acts, watching graphic videos of actual murders and purchase of weapons. It appears he was in effect radicalized online but not by a state run or organized terrorist group but just by watching sick videos which fed what appears to be an underlying mental health issue. Question is should a lot of this info be readily available on line, particularly to a sick teenager, without any apparent checks, constraints, etc. This is the issue that will push Herr Musk and his social media mates over the edge, any attempt to regulate what they can and cant show on their sites will lead to an almighty fight. it hits their pockets!

On a separate point, Starmer indicated that he is willing to change the law re terrorism. At the moment this murderer cant be jailed for a full life term due to his age, unless his crime fits under the definition of terrorism. At the moment his crime isn't terrorism, he was acting alone, hence Starmer's point about the need to review the definition to allow a full life term in the future.

They can make the terrorism charges stick when the want to. There are plenty of instances of wannabe loners getting huge sentences for terror offences without doing much more than fantasising about what this wee shit did and collecting a few makeshift weapons.