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stunt_cunt wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:07 am I'm not sure why, but there seems a disproportionate amount of weirdos campaigning against lockdown and any type of covid vaccine in Northland.

I see that fuckwit from that peoples party has whipped them into a protest in whangarei. What a bunch of cunts.

Not sure about any anti-vax idiocy, but I think there's some concern the Auckland lockdown could create a Northland "island" largely cut off from the rest of the NI with all that would entail.

Nats questioned by TV One (and made to look bloody uncomfortable) for their anti-Government stance on covid. JuCo will lose that fight and she would be better advised to try to work with the Government and make it look like a whole-of-Government approach.

Winnie has gone onto Aussie TV and said that the current cluster is due to a breach of the quarantine at a managed isolation venue.

PMs office knows nothing about it and evidently the news has gone to Winnie via a reporter.

Hugely damaging if he's right

The details of a breach will be vital in which way the country blows up in light of it.

You can get some leeway and understanding in an innocent chain of events accident, it would almost be a hanging offence if it's some dipshit dropping a bag of weed of to his mate or some security guard fucking a quarantinee.

That is one hell of a way to fuck his own govt up. He doesn't tell the PM or any minister or Ashley Bloomfield but goes on Australian tv to release the info. What a cunt.

Anyway, it'll be fireworks if this turns out to be true.

Enzedder wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:40 am Winnie has gone onto Aussie TV and said that the current cluster is due to a breach of the quarantine at a managed isolation venue.

PMs office knows nothing about it and evidently the news has gone to Winnie via a reporter.

Hugely damaging if he's right

He also said he knew about the outbreak 4 hours before the PM , the man is desperate for points leading to an election .
Anyone remember the South Korea man from a couple of weeks ago ...?
Of course it came through the border
No blame on “New Zealand’s Saviour “ of course but who ever is in charge of the borders has let one slip

stunt_cunt wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:04 am The details of a breach will be vital in which way the country blows up in light of it.

You can get some leeway and understanding in an innocent chain of events accident, it would almost be a hanging offence if it's some dipshit dropping a bag of weed of to his mate or some security guard fucking a quarantinee.

If it's one of these, I think the consequences need to be as severe as the letter of the law allows. Too many people have given up too much for a couple of selfish bastards to ruin it for everyone and get away with a slap on the wrist.

FujiKiwi wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:31 am

stunt_cunt wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:04 am The details of a breach will be vital in which way the country blows up in light of it.

You can get some leeway and understanding in an innocent chain of events accident, it would almost be a hanging offence if it's some dipshit dropping a bag of weed of to his mate or some security guard fucking a quarantinee.

If it's one of these, I think the consequences need to be as severe as the letter of the law allows. Too many people have given up too much for a couple of selfish bastards to ruin it for everyone and get away with a slap on the wrist.

Yes, this and then this again

My opinion is that Jacinda and her team have exceptionally well, and I'm generally in favor of the whole "Be kind" ethos she promotes. I just think if they stamp Covid out again in NZ, it's time for a bit of steel and a no-nonsense approach to enforcing quarantine.

I'm likely to be one of those affected, and heaven forbid, if I have to ever hurry home for family illness or loss, a strictly enforced 14 day quarantine on entering the country will be massively inconvenient and maybe even heartbreaking. But I'd expect it to be as strict as possible, in light of all of the hard work that went into getting NZ covid free. I'm sure most fleewees feel the same, and it's tiny minority of selfish idiots who are jeopardizing all that hard work. Time for a tougher line to be taken with them.

If I may bring some cold logic to this thread. Looking at it the facts speak for themselves. The opposition parties, with the help of their Chinese backers, have seeded Covid in the country in an attempt to sabotage Jacinda'e reelection.

So then apparently nearly 2/3rds of Auckland's border isolation staff have never been tested.https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... k-ago.html

That is rather shocking and coupled with the various escapees kind of makes this reversion to lockdown look inevitable. Of cause the Pm has now committed to compulsory testing, this is good but also akin to shutting the door once the horse has bolted.

EnergiseR wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:16 am If I may bring some cold logic to this thread. Looking at it the facts speak for themselves. The opposition parties, with the help of their Chinese backers, have seeded Covid in the country in an attempt to sabotage Jacinda'e reelection.

I heard that too. There was also something on Aussie TV about a possible ménage à trois between Judy, Gerry and a chicken. At least they think it might have been a chicken, however a feather duster caught in a fatburg or Donald Trump were also proffered as a possibilities.

Shits all over the place. East Tamaki, Otara, Papatoetoe, Mangere, Central Auckland, Central West Auckland, Glen Eden, Albany. Through schools and workplaces.

Auckland is fucked. Level 4 by tomorrow afternoon and then napalm from the back of the Hercules to save the rest of you.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a quarantine bungle. The hotels are never going to be a rock solid form of defence and every country faces a risk when you're obliged to take in returning citizens.

We've had evidence that it wasn't a watertight system in NZ as well. People fucking off without being tested and getting out early on compassionate grounds are a couple of examples.

Up until now, NZ has been lucky, despite what Muttonbirds and his ilk might claim about being the stay at home world champs.

Does NZ have a tracing app in place ?

It might have felt redundant when you were virus free; but about now it would be worth it's weight in gold.

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:30 pm Does NZ have a tracing app in place ?

It might have felt redundant when you were virus free; but about now it would be worth it's weight in gold.

Yes. There wasn't great uptake until yesterday.

'I’m just outlining facts': Watching New Zealand getting red-pilled, in real time

That's a rather familiar turn a phrase. Interesting.

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:30 pm Does NZ have a tracing app in place ?

It might have felt redundant when you were virus free; but about now it would be worth it's weight in gold.

We do. It didn't have much uptake initially but downloads shot up to 20% population the other day , still not good enough.

It's not a runaway yet, I get the feeling we will move pretty swiftly into a hard containment again to knock it out, but we can't keep doing that to business.

It's all well and good to point at the border control and say this this this this that's not good enough, but inside that thin veneer of protection we've been lazy as fuck as a population, just no responsibility at all, none, like covid didn't even exist . Well, now we know it does and we might just have to start doing things a little more cautious and with a little more effort in personal responsibility.

Chances are this will be broken down to human error and there will be huge kerfuffle over some element that entirely absolves the population of any personal responsibility again, when really the population has to wise up and start living like theres a global pandemic and we aren't just some isolated haven.

We're all guilty of it.

Ted. wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:36 pm 'I’m just outlining facts': Watching New Zealand getting red-pilled, in real time

That's a rather familiar turn a phrase. Interesting.

Does every Democracy have a Party of cunts like this now ?

Let me guess; they were against reasonable gun control after cc; they wanted to "restart", the economy before any expert said it was safe; they are against property/inheritance taxes ?

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:52 pm

Ted. wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:36 pm 'I’m just outlining facts': Watching New Zealand getting red-pilled, in real time

That's a rather familiar turn a phrase. Interesting.

Does every Democracy have a Party of cunts like this now ?

Let me guess; they were against reasonable gun control after cc; they wanted to "restart", the economy before any expert said it was safe; they are against property/inheritance taxes ?

That and more.

It's going to be a bad bad day for NZ ....and the government today methinks. Someone somewhere fluffed up.

Ted. wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:54 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:52 pm

Ted. wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:36 pm 'I’m just outlining facts': Watching New Zealand getting red-pilled, in real time

That's a rather familiar turn a phrase. Interesting.

Does every Democracy have a Party of cunts like this now ?

Let me guess; they were against reasonable gun control after cc; they wanted to "restart", the economy before any expert said it was safe; they are against property/inheritance taxes ?

That and more.

Is any party in NZ pushing property or estate/inheritance/death taxes?

Ted. wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:11 pm

EnergiseR wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:16 am If I may bring some cold logic to this thread. Looking at it the facts speak for themselves. The opposition parties, with the help of their Chinese backers, have seeded Covid in the country in an attempt to sabotage Jacinda'e reelection.

I heard that too. There was also something on Aussie TV about a possible ménage à trois between Judy, Gerry and a chicken. At least they think it might have been a chicken, however a feather duster caught in a fatburg or Donald Trump were also preferred as a possibilities.

Knew it. Truthfully and not because I am a Magus but I knew this would happen months ago. A zero Covid strategy was impossible and being wedded to it means any outbreak becomes overinflated with importance. When it does kick off there as by the law of averages it will the repercussions will be bigger than needed. Having said that I am not sure she for have done anything different the way public opinion went just she will have a price to pay. We now have a few zero Covid spoofers over here making out it will be a tiny bit of pain for loads of gain. Bollox

Ata Rangi wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:40 pm

Ted. wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:54 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:52 pm Does every Democracy have a Party of cunts like this now ?

Let me guess; they were against reasonable gun control after cc; they wanted to "restart", the economy before any expert said it was safe; they are against property/inheritance taxes ?

That and more.

Is any party in NZ pushing property or estate/inheritance/death taxes?

Those two taxes disproportionately advantage the wealthiest 1%. If you want to see the Party that toadiest to the Oligarchs; look for the ones who talk about those taxes before Income tax, or VAT.

Which reminds me of one obvious sign that a Political Party are a bunch of despicable cunts ... News International & all the Murdoch empire love them !

Was the interview in Oz made by one of his channels perchance ?

Stumpy wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:14 am So then apparently nearly 2/3rds of Auckland's border isolation staff have never been tested.https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... k-ago.html

That is rather shocking and coupled with the various escapees kind of makes this reversion to lockdown look inevitable. Of cause the Pm has now committed to compulsory testing, this is good but also akin to shutting the door once the horse has bolted.

This is absolutely dumbfounding! What on earth is this government thinking... Ive lost what very little faith I had in our ability to stop this virus when I read that. Not testing people who have contact with those in Quarantine is just ridiculous.

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:37 pm

Ata Rangi wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:40 pm

Ted. wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:54 pm That and more.

Is any party in NZ pushing property or estate/inheritance/death taxes?

Those two taxes disproportionately advantage the wealthiest 1%. If you want to see the Party that toadiest to the Oligarchs; look for the ones who talk about those taxes before Income tax, or VAT.

None of the NZ parties are apparently talking about an estate/inheritance/death tax. Ours was abolished last century and it appears that there is no political will to resurrect it. In fact, I think Labour explicitly excluded from consideration by the Tax Working Group.

Ata Rangi wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:39 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:37 pm

Ata Rangi wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:40 pm
Is any party in NZ pushing property or estate/inheritance/death taxes?

Those two taxes disproportionately advantage the wealthiest 1%. If you want to see the Party that toadiest to the Oligarchs; look for the ones who talk about those taxes before Income tax, or VAT.

None of the NZ parties are apparently talking about an estate/inheritance/death tax. Ours was abolished last century and it appears that there is no political will to resurrect it. In fact, I think Labour explicitly excluded from consideration by the Tax Working Group.

You people need to keep an open mind. All facts are open to interpretation.

JPNZ wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:37 pm

Stumpy wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:14 am So then apparently nearly 2/3rds of Auckland's border isolation staff have never been tested.https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... k-ago.html

That is rather shocking and coupled with the various escapees kind of makes this reversion to lockdown look inevitable. Of cause the Pm has now committed to compulsory testing, this is good but also akin to shutting the door once the horse has bolted.

This is absolutely dumbfounding! What on earth is this government thinking... Ive lost what very little faith I had in our ability to stop this virus when I read that. Not testing people who have contact with those in Quarantine is just ridiculous.

Can't disagree with you on that, JP. All the same, surely that amount of testing has to be based on some sort of medical/health precept, but buggered if I can see one.

Ted. wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:14 pm

JPNZ wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:37 pm

Stumpy wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:14 am So then apparently nearly 2/3rds of Auckland's border isolation staff have never been tested.https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... k-ago.html

That is rather shocking and coupled with the various escapees kind of makes this reversion to lockdown look inevitable. Of cause the Pm has now committed to compulsory testing, this is good but also akin to shutting the door once the horse has bolted.

This is absolutely dumbfounding! What on earth is this government thinking... Ive lost what very little faith I had in our ability to stop this virus when I read that. Not testing people who have contact with those in Quarantine is just ridiculous.

Can't disagree with you on that, JP. All the same, surely that amount of testing has to be based on some sort of medical/health precept, but buggered if I can see one.

They do daily health checks - temperature checks, symptom checks etc - so it's not like they are flying completely blind. If anyone shows symptoms they are tested and not allowed to work. They also wear extensive PPE.

Part of the problem is that PCR tests won't necessarily pick up asymptomatic people. That means you could be asymptomatic when tested, work your shift and then not find out until later in the day or the next day that you are positive.

I guess PCR testing would add another layer of comfort but do you shove swabs up the noses of your workforce daily? It seems to me continuing with the daily health screening with PCR tests every few days would be the way to go.

Confirmed cases in Tokoroa now, Level 4 for the North Island is surely on the table now.

There are reports of a new Covid-19 case in Tokoroa.

South Waikato Mayor Jenny Shattock told Stuff the council was advised at around 5.30pm on Thursday about a staff member potentially being linked with a known Auckland case.

Meanwhile up to 300 people who attended church on Sunday have been urged to get tested for Covid-19 urgently after a family at the congregation tested positive.

Everyone who was at the Congregational Christian Church of Samoa Māngere East Puaseisei on Sunday and anyone who has been in contact with those who were there are being told to get a test as a precaution.

Ted. wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:11 pm

EnergiseR wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:16 am If I may bring some cold logic to this thread. Looking at it the facts speak for themselves. The opposition parties, with the help of their Chinese backers, have seeded Covid in the country in an attempt to sabotage Jacinda'e reelection.

I heard that too. There was also something on Aussie TV about a possible ménage à trois between Judy, Gerry and a chicken. At least they think it might have been a chicken, however a feather duster caught in a fatburg or Donald Trump were also proffered as a possibilities.

It could explain the fact they have yet to trace any of the genetic material back to a known case.

And here was me thinking it might be a new strain spread by Bill Gates when he came here for his secret meeting with Jacinda Ardern.

Maniototo Man wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:56 pm

Ted. wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:11 pm

EnergiseR wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:16 am If I may bring some cold logic to this thread. Looking at it the facts speak for themselves. The opposition parties, with the help of their Chinese backers, have seeded Covid in the country in an attempt to sabotage Jacinda'e reelection.

I heard that too. There was also something on Aussie TV about a possible ménage à trois between Judy, Gerry and a chicken. At least they think it might have been a chicken, however a feather duster caught in a fatburg or Donald Trump were also proffered as a possibilities.

It could explain the fact they have yet to trace any of the genetic material back to a known case.

And here was me thinking it might be a new strain spread by Bill Gates when he came here for his secret meeting with Jacinda Ardern.

Hmmm, an evil brew of Judy, Gerry and fowl DNA. I'm sure they are all perfectly compatible and capable of gestating a novel greebie.

I saw that Southland Polytech article. I trust that tutor retains a role where she is actually face to face with students. Maybe janitor is her level.

JPNZ wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:24 pm Confirmed cases in Tokoroa now, Level 4 for the North Island is surely on the table now.

There are reports of a new Covid-19 case in Tokoroa.

South Waikato Mayor Jenny Shattock told Stuff the council was advised at around 5.30pm on Thursday about a staff member potentially being linked with a known Auckland case.

Meanwhile up to 300 people who attended church on Sunday have been urged to get tested for Covid-19 urgently after a family at the congregation tested positive.

Everyone who was at the Congregational Christian Church of Samoa Māngere East Puaseisei on Sunday and anyone who has been in contact with those who were there are being told to get a test as a precaution.

Stuff is saying it’s one confirmed case and up to six probable in Tokoroa.

Hopefully there is a link to the Auckland cluster, if not this has just got a lot bigger.

FujiKiwi wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:51 am My opinion is that Jacinda and her team have exceptionally well, and I'm generally in favor of the whole "Be kind" ethos she promotes. I just think if they stamp Covid out again in NZ, it's time for a bit of steel and a no-nonsense approach to enforcing quarantine.

I'm likely to be one of those affected, and heaven forbid, if I have to ever hurry home for family illness or loss, a strictly enforced 14 day quarantine on entering the country will be massively inconvenient and maybe even heartbreaking. But I'd expect it to be as strict as possible, in light of all of the hard work that went into getting NZ covid free. I'm sure most fleewees feel the same, and it's tiny minority of selfish idiots who are jeopardizing all that hard work. Time for a tougher line to be taken with them.

I'm in line with this post. I want the government to be as firm as possible and will accept the 14-day quarantine if I do return. It is a cheap price to help ensure the country stays safe.

Jb1981 wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:42 pm Stuff is saying it’s one confirmed case and up to six probable in Tokoroa.

Hopefully there is a link to the Auckland cluster, if not this has just got a lot bigger.

The South Waikato mayor has just confirmed a link.

Gumboot wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:14 am

Jb1981 wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:42 pm Stuff is saying it’s one confirmed case and up to six probable in Tokoroa.

Hopefully there is a link to the Auckland cluster, if not this has just got a lot bigger.

The South Waikato mayor has just confirmed a link.

Pretty close to home being in Taupo. Those Aucklanders that were in Rotorua also passed through Taupo at the weekend and went for a cruise on the Lake. Can't imagine going to level 4 but level 3 (Level 4 with takeaways) seems likely.

Kiwias wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:59 pm

FujiKiwi wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:51 am My opinion is that Jacinda and her team have exceptionally well, and I'm generally in favor of the whole "Be kind" ethos she promotes. I just think if they stamp Covid out again in NZ, it's time for a bit of steel and a no-nonsense approach to enforcing quarantine.

I'm likely to be one of those affected, and heaven forbid, if I have to ever hurry home for family illness or loss, a strictly enforced 14 day quarantine on entering the country will be massively inconvenient and maybe even heartbreaking. But I'd expect it to be as strict as possible, in light of all of the hard work that went into getting NZ covid free. I'm sure most fleewees feel the same, and it's tiny minority of selfish idiots who are jeopardizing all that hard work. Time for a tougher line to be taken with them.

I'm in line with this post. I want the government to be as firm as possible and will accept the 14-day quarantine if I do return. It is a cheap price to help ensure the country stays safe.

+1

booji boy wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:25 am

Gumboot wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:14 am

Jb1981 wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:42 pm Stuff is saying it’s one confirmed case and up to six probable in Tokoroa.

Hopefully there is a link to the Auckland cluster, if not this has just got a lot bigger.

The South Waikato mayor has just confirmed a link.

Pretty close to home being in Taupo. Those Aucklanders that were in Rotorua also passed through Taupo at the weekend and went for a cruise on the Lake. Can't imagine going to level 4 but level 3 (Level 4 with takeaways) seems likely.

Yeah, it's getting too close for comfort. I have a brother in Turangi, and the guy who runs that cruise company is an old friend of ours.

Ted. wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:36 pm 'I’m just outlining facts': Watching New Zealand getting red-pilled, in real time

That's a rather familiar turn a phrase. Interesting.

Serious question: Is their a more putrid sight in NZ politics than watching that idiot Brownlee smirk after his 'outlining facts', and then in comes the crusher with her desperate attempt at getting the media to 'ask questions of their own' ? In this time - THIS time where this bloody event has affected many people world-wide, those bumbling fools try to inject their own bullshit into this - all for political gain. You think they would learn after Bridges's own debacle the first time around. I'm not saying the Labour party is/has been free of cunts, but National have been winning this race for an age (probably the only thing they're winning atm).

Is it fair to say, out of desperation National are stopping to the level of Trump-like cynicism? I hope not. I’d hate to see NZ politics go down that path.