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Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:32 am
by Gumboot
Carter's Choice wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:30 am
Gumboot wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:26 am
Carter's Choice wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:24 amFrizell made his debut back in 2018, so he'd been in the system for a while.
Slow burner, a la Kaino.
Let's hope so. If that's what Foster thinks then he should start him at 6 for the next 18 months.
Works for me.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:53 am
by Jb1981
40%.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:55 am
by Enzedder
I hate to say I told you so - but ...

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:56 am
by Kiwias
Enzedder wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:55 am I hate to say I told you so - but ...
I don't know anyone who disagreed with you. :wtf:

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:56 am
by Wild Beef
I feel sorry for Foster right now. The pitchforks were already out...

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:59 am
by Jb1981
Kiwias wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:56 am
Enzedder wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:55 am I hate to say I told you so - but ...
I don't know anyone who disagreed with you. :wtf:
All “I told you so’s” should be addressed to:

NZ Rugby
New Zealand Rugby House
Level 4, 100 Molesworth Street
Wellington 6011
New Zealand

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:00 am
by Carter's Choice
This was Foster's bounce back after the debacle in Brisbane? He picked his best team and this is the result. This is the best we can expect.

We have a shit coach and a captain used to losing.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:04 am
by Gumboot
Carter's Choice wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:00 am This was Foster's bounce back after the debacle in Brisbane? He picked his best team and this is the result. This is the best we can expect.

We have a shit coach and a captain used to losing.
This was going to be "clinical".

:sad:

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:08 am
by stemoc
Razor grinning right now but he will say no if they ask.. cause fuck NZRU

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:10 am
by Ymx
40% win rate.

Well done Foster :clap:

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:11 am
by Jb1981
Ymx wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:10 am 40% win rate.

Well done Foster :clap:
He is flattening the curve :|

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:12 am
by Enzedder
Looks like he has to come back to the melting pot of Mitre10 rugby and find a decent flyhalf.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:14 am
by Chilli
He is a great coach. Please keep him!

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:25 am
by Ymx
Between Wales and NZ, I think we’d both be happier Gatland at the helm.

It’s that Bad!!

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:25 am
by Carter's Choice
Enzedder wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:12 am Looks like he has to come back to the melting pot of Mitre10 rugby and find a decent flyhalf.
Last week 2 x WR Player of the Year Beauden Barrett was shit, being outplayed by Reece Hodge in the process. This week 4 x Super Rugby winner Richie Mo'unga was shit. Perhaps the problem is the gameplan?

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:33 am
by obelixtim
Fozzie. Living up to expectations. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:41 am
by Carter's Choice
obelixtim wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:33 am Fozzie. Living up to expectations. :clap: :clap: :clap:
To be fair a 40% win rate is better than I expected. Probably better than his record at the Chiefs as well.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:50 am
by Not_Couch
Wild Beef wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:56 am I feel sorry for Foster right now. The pitchforks were already out...
Why? He should have never put in his CV.

He sabotaged a whole country because he wanted to stroke his ego.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:51 am
by Ymx
Carter's Choice wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:41 am
obelixtim wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:33 am Fozzie. Living up to expectations. :clap: :clap: :clap:
To be fair a 40% win rate is better than I expected. Probably better than his record at the Chiefs as well.
And Gatlands.

Are we certain Pivac hasn’t coached the Chiefs?

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:55 am
by stunt_cunt
What's our record, 3 losses in a row or was it 5 back in the late 90's?

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:00 am
by Not_Couch
stunt_cunt wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:55 am What's our record, 3 losses in a row or was it 5 back in the late 90's?
I remember 1998 where we lost all our TriNations games and the Boks won the comp, that loss in Wellington still hurts.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:01 am
by Carter's Choice
Wild Beef wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:56 am I feel sorry for Foster right now. The pitchforks were already out...
You were his biggest fan during the rigged recruitment process, and you continue to be his most passionate appologist.

He gets paid a million dollars a year to coach the best Rugby players in the world. And you feel sorry for him?

He demanded to be the AB coach. Well, with that position comes a degree of responsibility. And a 40% winning record isn't up to standard. The last two AB performances have been appalling. And Ian Foster is ultimately responsible.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:18 am
by PCPhil
Carter's Choice wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:01 am
Wild Beef wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:56 am I feel sorry for Foster right now. The pitchforks were already out...
You were his biggest fan during the rigged recruitment process, and you continue to be his most passionate appologist.

He gets paid a million dollars a year to coach the best Rugby players in the world. And you feel sorry for him?

He demanded to be the AB coach. Well, with that position comes a degree of responsibility. And a 40% winning record isn't up to standard. The last two AB performances have been appalling. And Ian Foster is ultimately responsible.
You need to give a world cup to hone and develop his skills......Please.
BTW, not even a little hint of arrogance in your 2nd line CC? Perhaps adding 'some of' before the 'the' would be a bit better?

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:07 pm
by Grandpa
I remember Stephen Jones saying his Granny could coach the All Blacks.. I think it's about time the NZRU go cap in hand... Granny Jones, we need you.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:52 pm
by obelixtim
PCPhil wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:18 am
Carter's Choice wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:01 am
Wild Beef wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:56 am I feel sorry for Foster right now. The pitchforks were already out...
You were his biggest fan during the rigged recruitment process, and you continue to be his most passionate appologist.

He gets paid a million dollars a year to coach the best Rugby players in the world. And you feel sorry for him?

He demanded to be the AB coach. Well, with that position comes a degree of responsibility. And a 40% winning record isn't up to standard. The last two AB performances have been appalling. And Ian Foster is ultimately responsible.
You need to give a world cup to hone and develop his skills......Please.
BTW, not even a little hint of arrogance in your 2nd line CC? Perhaps adding 'some of' before the 'the' would be a bit better?
NZ have never been knocked out in the round robin. Unlike England. Fozzie will manage it if he's given the chance.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:02 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Carter's Choice wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:01 am
He gets paid a million dollars a year to coach the best Rugby players in the world. And you feel sorry for him?
The best in the world? That changed before he started.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:46 pm
by Ymx
Pretty sure he meant on aggregate, not every single position player for player. Ie highest sum of parts.

So everyone calm down. It’s probably only 13/14 out of the 15 positions. 😜

And it’s a distraction from the Foster whose coaching manages to make them lower than the sum of the parts.

They are starting to look like mortals FFS!

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:03 pm
by Sandstorm
Rugby is won in the pack. AB pack looks disinterested and off the pace. Which is odd because the Soup Aortorea packs all looked shit hot.

Can only be down to team motivation and coaching in the Test arena.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:14 am
by OomStruisbaai
Saw the rot when the players/coaches want to be home Christmas specially this year.

Past All Blacks always put the jersey first.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:40 am
by handyman
Sandstorm wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:03 pm Rugby is won in the pack. AB pack looks disinterested and off the pace. Which is odd because the Soup Aortorea packs all looked shit hot.

Can only be down to team motivation and coaching in the Test arena.
Perhaps the packs in SRA looked good because they were equally shite?

Cannot believe it's motivation. For the Boks, if you're not motivated, Rassie will have you out of the squad sharpish.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:42 am
by handyman
Carter's Choice wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:01 am
Wild Beef wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:56 am I feel sorry for Foster right now. The pitchforks were already out...
You were his biggest fan during the rigged recruitment process, and you continue to be his most passionate appologist.

He gets paid a million dollars a year to coach the best Rugby players in the world. And you feel sorry for him?

He demanded to be the AB coach. Well, with that position comes a degree of responsibility. And a 40% winning record isn't up to standard. The last two AB performances have been appalling. And Ian Foster is ultimately responsible.
Ultimately Foster is responsible, but there have also been players that have not performed at all. They need to take part of the blame.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:43 am
by Carter's Choice
Will the quality of South African trolling improve in 2021 when the Springboks start playing again?

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:45 am
by handyman
Carter's Choice wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:43 am Will the quality of South African trolling improve in 2021 when the Springboks start playing again?
It was a genuine question.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:47 am
by Ymx
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:14 am Saw the rot when the players/coaches want to be home Christmas specially this year.

Past All Blacks always put the jersey first.
:think:

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:57 am
by Carter's Choice
Ymx wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:47 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:14 am Saw the rot when the players/coaches want to be home Christmas specially this year.

Past All Blacks always put the jersey first.
:think:
One can only assume that's an example of the famous South African humour.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:01 am
by Ymx
Carter's Choice wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:57 am
Ymx wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:47 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:14 am Saw the rot when the players/coaches want to be home Christmas specially this year.

Past All Blacks always put the jersey first.
:think:
One can only assume that's an example of the famous South African humour.
That’s the problem, it’s either bad humour or hoist by his own petard.

I’m not ruling out the latter.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:09 am
by OomStruisbaai
Ymx wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:01 am
Carter's Choice wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:57 am
Ymx wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:47 am

:think:
One can only assume that's an example of the famous South African humour.
That’s the problem, it’s either bad humour or hoist by his own petard.

I’m not ruling out the latter.
Its the fancy boy Kunterbury influence on the All Blacks. The rot starts at the top.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:18 am
by Guy Smiley
Ymx wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:01 am
Carter's Choice wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:57 am
Ymx wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:47 am

:think:
One can only assume that's an example of the famous South African humour.
That’s the problem, it’s either bad humour or hoist by his own petard.

I’m not ruling out the latter.
The Bokke could take a leaf out of their fantroll’s book and at least show up I guess.

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:55 am
by Grandpa
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:14 am Saw the rot when the players/coaches want to be home Christmas specially this year.

Past All Blacks always put the jersey first.
The rot really began when Christmas was recognised at all!

I remember as a kid aged about 5 or 6, waking up to a load of presents on Christmas morning... looking at my parents... shaking my head and saying.... "Mum.. I'm not surprised, you've always been a bit soft... but dad... you're a grown man ffs..."

Re: FOSTER OUT

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:27 am
by Ymx
Interview of Sam Cane

Sam Cane: 'Brutal' All Blacks fans don't know as much about rugby as they think

All Blacks captain Sam Cane has a message for critics lining up to throw stones at himself and coach Ian Foster.

The pair have copped the bulk of the flak in the aftermath of their shock 25-15 defeat to Argentina last weekend, with fans and pundits questioning Cane’s leadership and calling for Foster to walk the plank after just five tests in charge.

Despite taking notice of significantly less media since a self-imposed ban during last year’s World Cup, Cane has heard it all.

“I think we’ve got amazing fans, but we’ve also got some pretty brutal ones. With that, you’ve just got to remind yourself that, hey, they might like to think they know a lot about the game of rugby, but really they don’t,” Cane told Sky Sport’s The Breakdown.

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“They may know the game from that they see in the 80 minutes, but they don't see a lot of the stuff that goes on behind the scenes.”


Of criticism of his captaincy, Cane said: “To me, if I am having my leadership questioned in the public, people’s opinions that really matter to me are my teammates and my coaches, who I work with every single day. I’ve got a lot of confidence from them we’re on the right track.”

Asked how Foster was coping with the intense scrutiny on the back of the All Blacks losing consecutive games for the first time since 2011, Cane said he was only human.

All Blacks captain Sam Cane and head coach Ian Foster have copped plenty of stick in recent weeks.
“We understand being in this role comes with a lot of pressure and a lot of public scrutiny. So, it’s not like it’s a shock,” Cane told The Breakdown.

“He’s given us really clear focusses of what we need to get better at, it doesn’t feel like we’re bogged down and don’t have the answers.”

Cane, who edged out Sam Whitelock as Kieran Read’s replacement, said he understood why fans were frustrated, but said the feeling was shared by the players and coaches.

“For us as a team, it certainly doesn't help if we're spending our time online reading hateful, disrespectful comments.”


The All Blacks captain says he has confidence in the coaches and believes the team’s on the right track.
The All Blacks don’t get a shot at redemption until Saturday week, when they again play the Pumas, something Cane lamented despite admitting the congested schedule had taken a toll on his team.

Getting back on the paddock and making amends itches, but refreshing both mentally and physically in the meantime is paramount.

“We can’t underestimate playing five tests in six weeks. The only time we’ve played so many test matches would be at a World Cup, and we certainly can’t underestimate the toll it takes on some guys being away from home, and we’ve got a lot of young dads,” Cane told The Breakdown.

Skipper Sam Cane said the All Blacks learnt some big lessons at the hands of the passionate Pumas.
These aren’t excuses, they’re just reality.”

One area of the game the All Blacks have been blasted for is their attack, which struggled against the Pumas and has spluttered since their record-breaking 43-5 win against the Wallabies in Sydney last month.

Cane said film review showed players had been guilty of “tunnel vision”, carting the ball into contact when there was space a couple of passes further out from the ruck.

“We're trying really hard to improve. We're as disappointed as everyone with the last two weeks. The highs are high in the All Black team, and the lows are low.”