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Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:39 pm 48-6

Fuck-your-way-oh slogs out for nought again

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:31 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:39 pm 48-6

Fuck-your-way-oh slogs out for nought again

Yeah, I was waiting for Handyman to tell us that Miller couldn't hit his way out of a paper bag.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:20 pm Michael Vaughan wasn't holding back


A bit like the backlash against Brace, eh?

handyman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:37 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:31 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:39 pm 48-6

Fuck-your-way-oh slogs out for nought again

Yeah, I was waiting for Handyman to tell us that Miller couldn't hit his way out of a paper bag.

Rancid and not good enough to get a bite from this here premier poster.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:57 am At a 100-6, thought England had done well to fashion an outside chance of staying in the game but this one is in the records now unless global warming alters the weather in Madras.

BTW, I missed why Anderson was not playing in this one?

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:13 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:57 am At a 100-6, thought England had done well to fashion an outside chance of staying in the game but this one is in the records now unless global warming alters the weather in Madras.

BTW, I missed why Anderson was not playing in this one?

Rested, I believe.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:14 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:13 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:57 am At a 100-6, thought England had done well to fashion an outside chance of staying in the game but this one is in the records now unless global warming alters the weather in Madras.

BTW, I missed why Anderson was not playing in this one?

Rested, I believe.

Cheers.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:56 am

handyman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:37 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:31 pm

Yeah, I was waiting for Handyman to tell us that Miller couldn't hit his way out of a paper bag.

Rancid and not good enough to get a bite from this here premier poster.

Have you changed your mind, then?

I seem to remember you saying that Miller is a waste of a place in the team.

Somebody on here was telling us how useless he was and I was pretty sure, given your vast knowledge of the game, that it was you. I am happy to stand corrected.

handyman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:25 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:56 am

handyman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:37 am

Rancid and not good enough to get a bite from this here premier poster.

Have you changed your mind, then?

I seem to remember you saying that Miller is a waste of a place in the team.

Somebody on here was telling us how useless he was and I was pretty sure, given your vast knowledge of the game, that it was you. I am happy to stand corrected.

You seem to remember? Quote boet, or it did not happen. I'm happy to discuss my views if and when you do.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:25 am

handyman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:25 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:56 am
Have you changed your mind, then?

I seem to remember you saying that Miller is a waste of a place in the team.

Somebody on here was telling us how useless he was and I was pretty sure, given your vast knowledge of the game, that it was you. I am happy to stand corrected.

You seem to remember? Quote boet, or it did not happen. I'm happy to discuss my views if and when you do.

I said that I'm happy to stand corrected.

If you tell me that you've always regarded Miller as an excellent batsman, then fine. I'm certainly not going to trawl through multiple threads on two different websites to prove you wrong.

handyman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:52 am Heineken South Africa, which distributes alcohol brands such as Windhoek, Amstel, Miller and Soweto beers, has already announced that it will institute retrenchments for 7% of their workforce, while their competitors at the South ...

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:34 pm

handyman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:52 am Heineken South Africa, which distributes alcohol brands such as Windhoek, Amstel, Miller and Soweto beers, has already announced that it will institute retrenchments for 7% of their workforce, while their competitors at the South ...

This is the only post about Miller that Handyman has ever made before today on NPR.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:35 am Can probably put the 'shit pitch' narrative to bed. English cricket has a cultural problem top to bottom where as soon as batsmen see a turning wicket they pick up their ball and go home. Stop sulking, dig in and learn to deal with it. Maybe if we stopped punishing teams for producing turning wickets we'd understand that already.

Is Ashwin a better allrounder than Stokes?

Mahoney wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:04 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:35 am Can probably put the 'shit pitch' narrative to bed. English cricket has a cultural problem top to bottom where as soon as batsmen see a turning wicket they pick up their ball and go home. Stop sulking, dig in and learn to deal with it. Maybe if we stopped punishing teams for producing turning wickets we'd understand that already.

In my view the biggest factor in making the pitch seem OKish has been England's spinners have been shit. It's an odds game - put the ball in the right area often enough and the luck will even out. Instead the length control has been poor, there have been loads of easy half trackers, half volleys and full tosses, and so India have been able to score reasonable totals. When India were 86/3 with the ball exploding through the top a side with decent spinners could reasonably expect to have got them all out for 200ish. Again in the second innings, with India 106/6 all out for 150 was perfectly plausible. Taken together, and assuming England performed as they did in the real 1st innings, that would have left England chasing 220 odd and the game all over one way or another (India win by 60 or so would have been my bet) with plenty of the third day left.

Instead India have batted at least two sessions more than a good spinning team would have let them, which has pushed the length of the test into normal duration.

This may be underplaying Rohit, Rahane, Pant, Kohli & Ashwin's brilliance with the bat a bit, but I think an India v India test would have been over in very short order, which is why I think the pitch was poor for a test match. It's been perfectly reasonable for exposing a difference in quality at bowling spin and batting against spin, though - no complaints about the result!

Mahoney wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:02 pm Incidentally - Foakes now averages 47, after 11 innings. Which is about 10 more than any other bat in England's top 7 other than Root. Including Buttler & Bairstow.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:37 am I dunno, I don't think pitches like this - regardless of India's superiority on it - are a good thing, particularly in domestic cricket. I know the counter-whinge is about green tops, but seaming wickets often get flatter, whereas if it's turning square at the end of day one, you know it's only going to get worse from there. It's a bit too predictable.

Anyway, looks to me like India would've beaten us fairly easily batting second, so well done them!

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:25 pm cricinfo...

Is Ashwin a better allrounder than Stokes?

Certain Navigator wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:22 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:37 am I dunno, I don't think pitches like this - regardless of India's superiority on it - are a good thing, particularly in domestic cricket. I know the counter-whinge is about green tops, but seaming wickets often get flatter, whereas if it's turning square at the end of day one, you know it's only going to get worse from there. It's a bit too predictable.

Anyway, looks to me like India would've beaten us fairly easily batting second, so well done them!

The trouble with the greentops-get-flatter argument is that the match is often already over, or at least already decided, by the time they do. Given all the advantages seamers are given (new ball, covers), pitches like this that redress the balance a bit are no bad thing.

Certain Navigator wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:22 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:37 am I dunno, I don't think pitches like this - regardless of India's superiority on it - are a good thing, particularly in domestic cricket. I know the counter-whinge is about green tops, but seaming wickets often get flatter, whereas if it's turning square at the end of day one, you know it's only going to get worse from there. It's a bit too predictable.

Anyway, looks to me like India would've beaten us fairly easily batting second, so well done them!

The trouble with the greentops-get-flatter argument is that the match is often already over, or at least already decided, by the time they do. Given all the advantages seamers are given (new ball, covers), pitches like this that redress the balance a bit are no bad thing.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:34 pm

handyman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:52 am Heineken South Africa, which distributes alcohol brands such as Windhoek, Amstel, Miller and Soweto beers, has already announced that it will institute retrenchments for 7% of their workforce, while their competitors at the South ...

This is the only post about Miller that Handyman has ever made before today on NPR.

Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:39 pm

Certain Navigator wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:22 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:37 am I dunno, I don't think pitches like this - regardless of India's superiority on it - are a good thing, particularly in domestic cricket. I know the counter-whinge is about green tops, but seaming wickets often get flatter, whereas if it's turning square at the end of day one, you know it's only going to get worse from there. It's a bit too predictable.

Anyway, looks to me like India would've beaten us fairly easily batting second, so well done them!

The trouble with the greentops-get-flatter argument is that the match is often already over, or at least already decided, by the time they do. Given all the advantages seamers are given (new ball, covers), pitches like this that redress the balance a bit are no bad thing.

You really don't get 'green tops' prepared for Tests in the UK. Early season, when the water table is often high, you will get more seam movement - but the pitch really won't look 'green'. As the summer progresses, the pitches tend to change in nature. Most pitches will be prepared with some moisture in them, so that they last for 5 days without becoming shockers. That might give seamers a bit of help on the 1st morning, which can offset, to small extent, the advantage of winning the toss. I don't think this Indian pitch was ever designed to last 5 days.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:49 pm

Certain Navigator wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:22 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:37 am I dunno, I don't think pitches like this - regardless of India's superiority on it - are a good thing, particularly in domestic cricket. I know the counter-whinge is about green tops, but seaming wickets often get flatter, whereas if it's turning square at the end of day one, you know it's only going to get worse from there. It's a bit too predictable.

Anyway, looks to me like India would've beaten us fairly easily batting second, so well done them!

The trouble with the greentops-get-flatter argument is that the match is often already over, or at least already decided, by the time they do. Given all the advantages seamers are given (new ball, covers), pitches like this that redress the balance a bit are no bad thing.

This seems like a false balance to me. If there is a problem with pitches that seam too much, why is it a good thing to then have the equivalent for spin? Two wrongs don't make a right.