Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:55 pm
Straight out of the Alex Jones playbook.
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Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:59 pm
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:07 pm
https://x.com/astraiatwt/status/1722899 ... 47409?s=20
They repeated the video with a new actor after they apparently realise that Mr fafo is now too famous...
This is the second video that calculon posted. Same scene, same actors, just a new lead.
They repeated the video with a new actor after they apparently realise that Mr fafo is now too famous...
This is the second video that calculon posted. Same scene, same actors, just a new lead.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:10 pm
You believed the haka tweet you posted earlier and you're calling others naive and stupid.
Your entire post content in this thread is evidence of your lack of emotional control over the topic and the absence of any critical thinking on your part.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:12 pm
That I posted?Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:07 pm https://x.com/astraiatwt/status/1722899 ... 47409?s=20
They repeated the video with a new actor after they apparently realise that Mr fafo is now too famous...
This is the second video that c69 posted. Same scene, same actors, just a new lead.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:14 pm
I’m not the one who thinks a couple of ridiculously fake video are real, lolGuy Smiley wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:10 pmYou believed the haka tweet you posted earlier and you're calling others naive and stupid.
Your entire post content in this thread is evidence of your lack of emotional control over the topic and the absence of any critical thinking on your part.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:14 pm
Shit, sorry, calculon! Only excuse is I'm on my phone, thought I saw you're red just above it. I'll edit my original too.C69 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:12 pmThat I posted?Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:07 pm https://x.com/astraiatwt/status/1722899 ... 47409?s=20
They repeated the video with a new actor after they apparently realise that Mr fafo is now too famous...
This is the second video that c69 posted. Same scene, same actors, just a new lead.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:14 pm
Do you watch Coronation Street thinking it's a documentary?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:16 pm
I prefer the original leadRaggs wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:07 pm https://x.com/astraiatwt/status/1722899 ... 47409?s=20
They repeated the video with a new actor after they apparently realise that Mr fafo is now too famous...
This is the second video that calculon posted. Same scene, same actors, just a new lead.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:23 pm
It’s actually quite scary to think how bad the average person is at evaluating a source's credibility
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:33 pm
From PR
“ Knoath wrote: ↑
What have you guys done to Eug, he's flounced over to npr with a big cry baby rant how he was misunderstood here and everyone hates him, especially enz. It's quite epic and sad”
“ Knoath wrote: ↑
What have you guys done to Eug, he's flounced over to npr with a big cry baby rant how he was misunderstood here and everyone hates him, especially enz. It's quite epic and sad”
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:38 pm
Wow so fucking what? Who the fuck is Knoath btw?
Enz is still on PR?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 6:03 pm
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:01 pm
Imagine if the only Scotsman I had met was Opencloset.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:06 pm
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:20 pm
I'll put my hands up and say I had no idea this was a thing but once you click on one of the videos and follow the thread it's pretty conclusive. The bloodied kid on the trolley FFS.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:31 pm
Pallywood is definitely a thing. However, it's something that needs to be handled carefully, since I'm by no means an expert in warfare, like most people. I cannot fairly judge for sure, even if I'm personally suspicious of footage. However, releasing the same scene with different main characters, especially one as "famous" as Mr Fafo is becoming, is pretty obvious.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:53 pm
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:10 pm
You should probably log off and take a break for the night.Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:10 pmAre you always this obtuse, they’re obviously not katlicks. Anyway I’m pretty sure at least some Maori are inclined to support Israel cos of their faith.
https://www.indigenouscoalition.org/art ... ort-israel
https://www.indigenouscoalition.org/art ... for-israel
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:07 pm
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 12:28 am
Yep, they're poorly made fakes. In the first one, there's no deafening explosion or flash (when the impact was supposedly just a few metres from the cameraman), no smoke, no dust, no tent awnings blown to shreds, a token scattering of "debris", and nobody else around the "victim" seems to have been similarly injured. In fact, the immediate area around the lone "victim" appears to have been strangely empty of people at the moment of impact...Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:14 pmI’m not the one who thinks a couple of ridiculously fake video are real, lolGuy Smiley wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:10 pmYou believed the haka tweet you posted earlier and you're calling others naive and stupid.
Your entire post content in this thread is evidence of your lack of emotional control over the topic and the absence of any critical thinking on your part.
An Amateur Hour production.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:41 am
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:54 pm
I wish. No way I can pee while I poo. (Prostate is too large for that).
And what is this cum that you are speaking of?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:00 pm
So Israel offered 300L of fuel for the generators for emergency usage to the hospital. That doesn't seem to be in dispute.
Israel claims then that hamas minister in charge of health told the hospital they couldn't use it. Hospital head says that the hospital asked for it to be delivered through the red cross, rather than directly from IDF.
Sorry, if you've got patients dying, and you're offered life saving fuel, you don't tell them you want to wait another day or so whilst it gets redirected via the red cross (who have to come into the front line of the war zone to deliver it). For me, that's a cover story the head of the hospital has to tell to save himself being thrown off the roof.
Israel claims then that hamas minister in charge of health told the hospital they couldn't use it. Hospital head says that the hospital asked for it to be delivered through the red cross, rather than directly from IDF.
Sorry, if you've got patients dying, and you're offered life saving fuel, you don't tell them you want to wait another day or so whilst it gets redirected via the red cross (who have to come into the front line of the war zone to deliver it). For me, that's a cover story the head of the hospital has to tell to save himself being thrown off the roof.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:09 pm
Can you post a corroborated link, sorry but I don't believe either the IDF or HAMAS.Raggs wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:00 pm So Israel offered 300L of fuel for the generators for emergency usage to the hospital. That doesn't seem to be in dispute.
Israel claims then that hamas minister in charge of health told the hospital they couldn't use it. Hospital head says that the hospital asked for it to be delivered through the red cross, rather than directly from IDF.
Sorry, if you've got patients dying, and you're offered life saving fuel, you don't tell them you want to wait another day or so whilst it gets redirected via the red cross (who have to come into the front line of the war zone to deliver it). For me, that's a cover story the head of the hospital has to tell to save himself being thrown off the roof.
Both sides propaganda machines are on overdrive as you pointed out earlier with your Pallywood comment.
Most things are not as they seem atm.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:15 pm
Israel claiming the delivery.
Confirmation from the "other side" that it was offered but turned down.
Very original source for the refusal will be in Arabic, so I can't find that.
Not sure that emergency use only would use 300l of fuel in 15 minutes either, but I can't judge that too well. And even if so, wouldn't you take it in the hopes that if it works as an agreement you can get more?
Confirmation from the "other side" that it was offered but turned down.
Very original source for the refusal will be in Arabic, so I can't find that.
Not sure that emergency use only would use 300l of fuel in 15 minutes either, but I can't judge that too well. And even if so, wouldn't you take it in the hopes that if it works as an agreement you can get more?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:18 pm
Thanks. For context the largest full tank in a production car can hold 181 litres.Raggs wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:15 pm Israel claiming the delivery.
Confirmation from the "other side" that it was offered but turned down.
Very original source for the refusal will be in Arabic, so I can't find that.
Not sure that emergency use only would use 300l of fuel in 15 minutes either, but I can't judge that too well. And even if so, wouldn't you take it in the hopes that if it works as an agreement you can get more?
300l of fuel for a large hospital seems a very small amount and a bit of a nice headline but essentially unworkable.
Given these systems have been off line for a while then it wouldn't even cover the time to test the systems.
If they had offered 3000l it may have been a start.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:42 am
Israel and their fake doctor
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:23 am
She's not speaking Hebrew... And that's not an Israeli accent either. The non English part just sounds forced in general.
Where was it released? I've not seen it before. Some sick person trying to get likes/views?
Where was it released? I've not seen it before. Some sick person trying to get likes/views?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:35 am
Look it's very important for both sides to win the PR battles.
Dead babies atm seem to be the main battle ground atm.
As Sefton pointed out earlier in the thread the first casualty of war is truth.
Israel imho possesses a much more slick sophisticated war propaganda machine backed up by the USA and the UK.
Dead babies atm seem to be the main battle ground atm.
As Sefton pointed out earlier in the thread the first casualty of war is truth.
Israel imho possesses a much more slick sophisticated war propaganda machine backed up by the USA and the UK.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:39 am
Truth in social media is also decided by likes. Israel is no doubt producing propaganda, but who is spreading it? You just need to look at the size and frequency of marches for each "side" to see where the most vocal noises come from. Size of likes/reposts etc is important. Hamas is more amateur on the ground, but they have a much larger echo chamber to then rely on.C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:35 am Look it's very important for both sides to win the PR battles.
Dead babies atm seem to be the main battle ground atm.
As Sefton pointed out earlier in the thread the first casualty of war is truth.
Israel imho possesses a much more slick sophisticated war propaganda machine backed up by the USA and the UK.
The Mr Fafo reshoot film didn't get any real media attention, however Mr Fafo footage has been used (and i think he's even been interviewed) by mainstream media, so clearly they've missed the fact he's blatantly an actor.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:48 am
Some of the stuff coming out is laughable.Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:39 amTruth in social media is also decided by likes. Israel is no doubt producing propaganda, but who is spreading it? You just need to look at the size and frequency of marches for each "side" to see where the most vocal noises come from. Size of likes/reposts etc is important. Hamas is more amateur on the ground, but they have a much larger echo chamber to then rely on.C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:35 am Look it's very important for both sides to win the PR battles.
Dead babies atm seem to be the main battle ground atm.
As Sefton pointed out earlier in the thread the first casualty of war is truth.
Israel imho possesses a much more slick sophisticated war propaganda machine backed up by the USA and the UK.
The Mr Fafo reshoot film didn't get any real media attention, however Mr Fafo footage has been used (and i think he's even been interviewed) by mainstream media, so clearly they've missed the fact he's blatantly an actor.
But some of the stuff not being shown and censored by the MSM is also disturbing.
I personally think a ceasefire is needed but also see how that prevent HAMAS being wiped out.
I have no issue if HAMAS are wiped out but wtf happens after they are gone and what if it happens at the cost of tens of thousands of lives.
I suspect the horrific pictures that will come out of Gaza at some time will not be taken well by the wider international community.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:55 am
There was a ceasefire on Oct 6th. Ceasefire helps no one. Hamas gets stronger again and holds onto power, occupation of Gaza stays as is (likely even harsher), and we just end up in this situation again in 2-5 years time.C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:48 amSome of the stuff coming out is laughable.Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:39 amTruth in social media is also decided by likes. Israel is no doubt producing propaganda, but who is spreading it? You just need to look at the size and frequency of marches for each "side" to see where the most vocal noises come from. Size of likes/reposts etc is important. Hamas is more amateur on the ground, but they have a much larger echo chamber to then rely on.C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:35 am Look it's very important for both sides to win the PR battles.
Dead babies atm seem to be the main battle ground atm.
As Sefton pointed out earlier in the thread the first casualty of war is truth.
Israel imho possesses a much more slick sophisticated war propaganda machine backed up by the USA and the UK.
The Mr Fafo reshoot film didn't get any real media attention, however Mr Fafo footage has been used (and i think he's even been interviewed) by mainstream media, so clearly they've missed the fact he's blatantly an actor.
But some of the stuff not being shown and censored by the MSM is also disturbing.
I personally think a ceasefire is needed but also see how that prevent HAMAS being wiped out.
I have no issue if HAMAS are wiped out but wtf happens after they are gone and what if it happens at the cost of tens of thousands of lives.
I suspect the horrific pictures that will come out of Gaza at some time will not be taken well by the wider international community.
What happens after is the big question, and quite simply, who the hell knows. I have no doubt that it's being discussed at the highest levels quite intensively.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:56 am
indeed, yet the likes of you, sefton and guy smiley fall for itC69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:48 amSome of the stuff coming out is laughable.Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:39 amTruth in social media is also decided by likes. Israel is no doubt producing propaganda, but who is spreading it? You just need to look at the size and frequency of marches for each "side" to see where the most vocal noises come from. Size of likes/reposts etc is important. Hamas is more amateur on the ground, but they have a much larger echo chamber to then rely on.C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:35 am Look it's very important for both sides to win the PR battles.
Dead babies atm seem to be the main battle ground atm.
As Sefton pointed out earlier in the thread the first casualty of war is truth.
Israel imho possesses a much more slick sophisticated war propaganda machine backed up by the USA and the UK.
The Mr Fafo reshoot film didn't get any real media attention, however Mr Fafo footage has been used (and i think he's even been interviewed) by mainstream media, so clearly they've missed the fact he's blatantly an actor.
But some of the stuff not being shown and censored by the MSM is also disturbing.
I personally think a ceasefire is needed but also see how that prevent HAMAS being wiped out.
I have no issue if HAMAS are wiped out but wtf happens after they are gone and what if it happens at the cost of tens of thousands of lives.
I suspect the horrific pictures that will come out of Gaza at some time will not be taken well by the wider international community.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:01 am
I think you give me much too much credit.Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:56 amindeed, yet the likes of you, sefton and guy smiley fall for itC69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:48 amSome of the stuff coming out is laughable.Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:39 am
Truth in social media is also decided by likes. Israel is no doubt producing propaganda, but who is spreading it? You just need to look at the size and frequency of marches for each "side" to see where the most vocal noises come from. Size of likes/reposts etc is important. Hamas is more amateur on the ground, but they have a much larger echo chamber to then rely on.
The Mr Fafo reshoot film didn't get any real media attention, however Mr Fafo footage has been used (and i think he's even been interviewed) by mainstream media, so clearly they've missed the fact he's blatantly an actor.
But some of the stuff not being shown and censored by the MSM is also disturbing.
I personally think a ceasefire is needed but also see how that prevent HAMAS being wiped out.
I have no issue if HAMAS are wiped out but wtf happens after they are gone and what if it happens at the cost of tens of thousands of lives.
I suspect the horrific pictures that will come out of Gaza at some time will not be taken well by the wider international community.
I can just about type shite on here let alone post propaganda on the internet.
If I could do such a thing then I would be facing flack from both the baby beheaders and the incubated baby killers
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:02 am
2500kva gen set will use 300 litres in under an hour depending on load.
For a big hospital you would need more than a single 2500 gen set.
300 litres is a stupidly small amount of fuel in the context of supplying fuel to a hospital
300litres is 1.5 drums of diesel, its a total pisstake
For a big hospital you would need more than a single 2500 gen set.
300 litres is a stupidly small amount of fuel in the context of supplying fuel to a hospital
300litres is 1.5 drums of diesel, its a total pisstake
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:17 am
For emergency usage only, not trying to run the whole hospital, just life saving stuff? And no, it's not going to be a weeks worth, because who knows if the hospital actually gets the keep it. And as a first step to getting more? Even if it's 30 minutes of fuel, is that not better than nothing? The first step to getting more, and proving it's going to the hospital and not Hamas.Glaston wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:02 am 2500kva gen set will use 300 litres in under an hour depending on load.
For a big hospital you would need more than a single 2500 gen set.
300 litres is a stupidly small amount of fuel in the context of supplying fuel to a hospital
300litres is 1.5 drums of diesel, its a total pisstake
Israel offers fuel for the generators, potentially saving lives. Hospital turns it down. Israel are taking the piss. What sort of mindset is that? How is it anything but a positive act?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:22 am
No its a piss take just for propaganda purposes.Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:17 amFor emergency usage only, not trying to run the whole hospital, just life saving stuff? And no, it's not going to be a weeks worth, because who knows if the hospital actually gets the keep it. And as a first step to getting more? Even if it's 30 minutes of fuel, is that not better than nothing? The first step to getting more, and proving it's going to the hospital and not Hamas.Glaston wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:02 am 2500kva gen set will use 300 litres in under an hour depending on load.
For a big hospital you would need more than a single 2500 gen set.
300 litres is a stupidly small amount of fuel in the context of supplying fuel to a hospital
300litres is 1.5 drums of diesel, its a total pisstake
Israel offers fuel for the generators, potentially saving lives. Hospital turns it down. Israel are taking the piss. What sort of mindset is that? How is it anything but a positive act?
It's a gesture.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:28 am
Fuck me, even if it runs just for a couple of hours emergency use, is that not better than nothing? If it sets up a potential for more fuel to be offered? Israel is never going to give them thousands of litres in one go, for fear of Hamas grabbing it for their own generators.C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:22 amNo its a piss take just for propaganda purposes.Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:17 amFor emergency usage only, not trying to run the whole hospital, just life saving stuff? And no, it's not going to be a weeks worth, because who knows if the hospital actually gets the keep it. And as a first step to getting more? Even if it's 30 minutes of fuel, is that not better than nothing? The first step to getting more, and proving it's going to the hospital and not Hamas.Glaston wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:02 am 2500kva gen set will use 300 litres in under an hour depending on load.
For a big hospital you would need more than a single 2500 gen set.
300 litres is a stupidly small amount of fuel in the context of supplying fuel to a hospital
300litres is 1.5 drums of diesel, its a total pisstake
Israel offers fuel for the generators, potentially saving lives. Hospital turns it down. Israel are taking the piss. What sort of mindset is that? How is it anything but a positive act?
It's a gesture.
"Yeah, Israel offered some fuel, that they desperately need, what arseholes..."
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:32 am
It's a gesture. Read what I have posted earlier and what Glaston has posted. Turning systems on for short periods tha have been off for long periods can cause many more problems than imagined.Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:28 amFuck me, even if it runs just for a couple of hours emergency use, is that not better than nothing? If it sets up a potential for more fuel to be offered? Israel is never going to give them thousands of litres in one go, for fear of Hamas grabbing it for their own generators.C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:22 amNo its a piss take just for propaganda purposes.Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:17 am
For emergency usage only, not trying to run the whole hospital, just life saving stuff? And no, it's not going to be a weeks worth, because who knows if the hospital actually gets the keep it. And as a first step to getting more? Even if it's 30 minutes of fuel, is that not better than nothing? The first step to getting more, and proving it's going to the hospital and not Hamas.
Israel offers fuel for the generators, potentially saving lives. Hospital turns it down. Israel are taking the piss. What sort of mindset is that? How is it anything but a positive act?
It's a gesture.
"Yeah, Israel offered some fuel, that they desperately need, what arseholes..."
This is the reason.