JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:34 pm
If she actually suffered a nervous breakdown,
It looked to me like she's in the throws of it, I suppose we'll learn more in due course.
Aye. It speaks well of you that you immediately think she's suffering from something, don't get me wrong. I just don't like jumping to conclusions and giving her the benefit of the doubt on the back of her behaving slightly more oddly than normal, all in order to feel sympathy for someone who is far more of an "enemy of the people" ((c) the Daily Mail) than any of our justices...
People said Putin was acting like he had health problems last time they saw him on TV, no sympathy required there! :-)
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:34 pm
If she actually suffered a nervous breakdown,
It looked to me like she's in the throws of it, I suppose we'll learn more in due course.
I tend to agree with you re not stooping to their levels of nastiness - but it's bloody hard to feel much sympathy for her and the likes of Rees Mogg - and it's not as if they will ever be destitute as a resut of their failures - others may well be though !
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:16 pm
by JM2K6
I would also add that going "good, fuck her" over her apparent misery is by no means comparable with the nastiness of a far-right government.
Stooping to their level would be, I dunno, campaigning to throw all Tory MPs and their voters into the sea.
Petitions.org wouldn't let me :(
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:21 pm
by Ovals
Sounds like the Triple Lock on pensions is going to be scrapped - it will be very unpopular but I guess they are so unpopular now that they feel they might as well get all the crap done asap,
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:29 pm
by SaintK
Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:21 pm
Sounds like the Triple Lock on pensions is going to be scrapped - it will be very unpopular but I guess they are so unpopular now that they feel they might as well get all the crap done asap,
That of course would be most of the core vote gone!!¬
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:34 pm
If she actually suffered a nervous breakdown,
It looked to me like she's in the throws of it, I suppose we'll learn more in due course.
I tend to agree with you re not stooping to their levels of nastiness - but it's bloody hard to feel much sympathy for her and the likes of Rees Mogg - and it's not as if they will ever be destitute as a resut of their failures - others may well be though !
I somehow can't see Dizzy making a packet on After Dinner speeches racket !
It looked to me like she's in the throws of it, I suppose we'll learn more in due course.
I tend to agree with you re not stooping to their levels of nastiness - but it's bloody hard to feel much sympathy for her and the likes of Rees Mogg - and it's not as if they will ever be destitute as a resut of their failures - others may well be though !
I somehow can't see Dizzy making a packet on After Dinner speeches racket !
I tend to agree with you re not stooping to their levels of nastiness - but it's bloody hard to feel much sympathy for her and the likes of Rees Mogg - and it's not as if they will ever be destitute as a resut of their failures - others may well be though !
I somehow can't see Dizzy making a packet on After Dinner speeches racket !
A little generous for doing SFA, & claiming it was for the public.
I'd put that in maybe week two's work for Labours cuts, to derail the Tory Gravy train. Once they've trebbled the size of the Fraud dept investigating the PPE & other frauds, & generally made the risk/reward proposition for defrauding the public purse untenable.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 5:26 pm
by Jockaline
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:18 pm
I didn't really want to pursue this, but I have to respond because the idea that showing a bit of humanity is tutting your way into a dictatorship is ludicrous.
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:33 pm
Where's the dignity in millions of people being pushed into poverty? Where's the dignity in naked greed being prioritised over the health of the nation? She looked a bit sad on TV - that's it. And for that we're pearl clutching over people saying "fuck you, good riddance" over her failures being laid bare?
What Truss and Kwarteng and the IEA and all their arsehole buddies are trying to do should make people absolutely fucking furious. So no, I don't think it's undignified. I also don't think it matters a jot whether it's undignified. People can tut at reactions all the way into a dictatorship if they like, but count me out. They're not even getting a fraction of what they deserve.
Did anyone suggest you should forget or forgive what the Tories have been responsible for?
Look, it's easy to show humanity when faced with a deserving case, even if the likes of Truss, Braverman, Ree-Mogg don't show it under any circumstances, I genuinely think we have to be better than them, it's far less easy to show a bit of kindness to someone who doesn't deserve it, but it we do so we lift the tone of the whole debate.
Yes be angry, of course do not let up fighting against their inhumanity, I'll celebrate like fuck on the Friday after these rapacious monsters are ousted, but I really don't want to be like them and how they react to people they perceive as their enemy - they despise me, I don't want to feel that way about anyone.
This is how you should be feeling: https://twitter.com/i/status/1582393645235376128. I'd like to see Liz Truss and Kwasi Karteng in Jail, doubt any corruption charges would stand up, but that's what they deserve. Remember neither are sorry, it's everyone else's fault, at best they went to fast. They're not on telly, but 1000s are going close to breakdowns due to there actions, this is were your sympathy should be.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:24 pm
by fishfoodie
Would now be a good time to remind the British Public that the OBR forecast that Brexit cost the UK £100 Billion, about £40 Billion in taxes, which would now be very useful, but instead people will be cold, hungry, & waiting for health treatments this winter, & for quite a few to come !
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:40 pm
by Ovals
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:24 pm
Would now be a good time to remind the British Public that the OBR forecast that Brexit cost the UK £100 Billion, about £40 Billion in taxes, which would now be very useful, but instead people will be cold, hungry, & waiting for health treatments this winter, & for quite a few to come !
TBF I don't think it was £100bn in one year - so you wouldn't exactly be comparing apples with apples. The principle is sound though.
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:24 pm
Would now be a good time to remind the British Public that the OBR forecast that Brexit cost the UK £100 Billion, about £40 Billion in taxes, which would now be very useful, but instead people will be cold, hungry, & waiting for health treatments this winter, & for quite a few to come !
TBF I don't think it was £100bn in one year - so you wouldn't exactly be comparing apples with apples. The principle is sound though.
It was !
This year, next year, & every year while the current state of affairs continues.
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:18 pm
I didn't really want to pursue this, but I have to respond because the idea that showing a bit of humanity is tutting your way into a dictatorship is ludicrous.
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:33 pm
Where's the dignity in millions of people being pushed into poverty? Where's the dignity in naked greed being prioritised over the health of the nation? She looked a bit sad on TV - that's it. And for that we're pearl clutching over people saying "fuck you, good riddance" over her failures being laid bare?
What Truss and Kwarteng and the IEA and all their arsehole buddies are trying to do should make people absolutely fucking furious. So no, I don't think it's undignified. I also don't think it matters a jot whether it's undignified. People can tut at reactions all the way into a dictatorship if they like, but count me out. They're not even getting a fraction of what they deserve.
Did anyone suggest you should forget or forgive what the Tories have been responsible for?
Look, it's easy to show humanity when faced with a deserving case, even if the likes of Truss, Braverman, Ree-Mogg don't show it under any circumstances, I genuinely think we have to be better than them, it's far less easy to show a bit of kindness to someone who doesn't deserve it, but it we do so we lift the tone of the whole debate.
Yes be angry, of course do not let up fighting against their inhumanity, I'll celebrate like fuck on the Friday after these rapacious monsters are ousted, but I really don't want to be like them and how they react to people they perceive as their enemy - they despise me, I don't want to feel that way about anyone.
This is how you should be feeling: https://twitter.com/i/status/1582393645235376128. I'd like to see Liz Truss and Kwasi Karteng in Jail, doubt any corruption charges would stand up, but that's what they deserve. Remember neither are sorry, it's everyone else's fault, at best they went to fast. They're not on telly, but 1000s are going close to breakdowns due to there actions, this is were your sympathy should be.
What gave you the impression that I'm not that angry at the Tories and what they've done to the country over the past 12 years?
On one level I felt a bit sorry for someone who is totally out of their depth, has been publicly humiliated across the country and by the President of the United States Internationally, I had a twinge of sympathy because she looked like she was having nervous breakdown.
I don't know why people think this is some kind of endorsement of what they've done since 2010 and in the last few years, months and weeks in particular.
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:24 pm
Would now be a good time to remind the British Public that the OBR forecast that Brexit cost the UK £100 Billion, about £40 Billion in taxes, which would now be very useful, but instead people will be cold, hungry, & waiting for health treatments this winter, & for quite a few to come !
TBF I don't think it was £100bn in one year - so you wouldn't exactly be comparing apples with apples. The principle is sound though.
It was !
This year, next year, & every year while the current state of affairs continues.
That wasn't my recollection - happy to be corrected - do you have a link ?
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:19 pm
by Ovals
Already 2 Tory MPs publicly announcing that they would vote against ditching the triple lock. She's also been making promises to the ERG about Defence spending - lots of budget saving avenues being stomped down.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:26 pm
by Ovals
Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:19 pm
Already 2 Tory MPs publicly announcing that they would vote against ditching the triple lock. She's also been making promises to the ERG about Defence spending - lots of budget saving avenues turning into cul de sacs
TBF I don't think it was £100bn in one year - so you wouldn't exactly be comparing apples with apples. The principle is sound though.
It was !
This year, next year, & every year while the current state of affairs continues.
That wasn't my recollection - happy to be corrected - do you have a link ?
The OBR website is a bit a maze, but I was reminded of the figure today watching this recent FT video, the text is in the background at this timestamp.
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:18 pm
I didn't really want to pursue this, but I have to respond because the idea that showing a bit of humanity is tutting your way into a dictatorship is ludicrous.
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:33 pm
Where's the dignity in millions of people being pushed into poverty? Where's the dignity in naked greed being prioritised over the health of the nation? She looked a bit sad on TV - that's it. And for that we're pearl clutching over people saying "fuck you, good riddance" over her failures being laid bare?
What Truss and Kwarteng and the IEA and all their arsehole buddies are trying to do should make people absolutely fucking furious. So no, I don't think it's undignified. I also don't think it matters a jot whether it's undignified. People can tut at reactions all the way into a dictatorship if they like, but count me out. They're not even getting a fraction of what they deserve.
Did anyone suggest you should forget or forgive what the Tories have been responsible for?
Look, it's easy to show humanity when faced with a deserving case, even if the likes of Truss, Braverman, Ree-Mogg don't show it under any circumstances, I genuinely think we have to be better than them, it's far less easy to show a bit of kindness to someone who doesn't deserve it, but it we do so we lift the tone of the whole debate.
Yes be angry, of course do not let up fighting against their inhumanity, I'll celebrate like fuck on the Friday after these rapacious monsters are ousted, but I really don't want to be like them and how they react to people they perceive as their enemy - they despise me, I don't want to feel that way about anyone.
This is how you should be feeling: https://twitter.com/i/status/1582393645235376128. I'd like to see Liz Truss and Kwasi Karteng in Jail, doubt any corruption charges would stand up, but that's what they deserve. Remember neither are sorry, it's everyone else's fault, at best they went to fast. They're not on telly, but 1000s are going close to breakdowns due to there actions, this is were your sympathy should be.
Drakeford nails it. If Truss has mental health issues that cpompromise her ability to run the country she must resign.
This year, next year, & every year while the current state of affairs continues.
That wasn't my recollection - happy to be corrected - do you have a link ?
The OBR website is a bit a maze, but I was reminded of the figure today watching this recent FT video, the text is in the background at this timestamp.
Right - I thought you were referring to a forecast done prior to us leaving !! Although TBF they do quote their 2020 prediction.
That wasn't my recollection - happy to be corrected - do you have a link ?
The OBR website is a bit a maze, but I was reminded of the figure today watching this recent FT video, the text is in the background at this timestamp.
Right - I thought you were referring to a forecast done prior to us leaving !! Although TBF they do quote their 2020 prediction.
I added the link to the previous post, it makes sense that the OBR had to continually update their outlook, as they could only definitively assess the outcome, once negotations had concluded, & they could actually see what the final deal was.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:25 am
by tabascoboy
FFS
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:32 am
by Torquemada 1420
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:24 pm
Would now be a good time to remind the British Public that the OBR forecast that Brexit cost the UK £100 Billion, about £40 Billion in taxes, which would now be very useful, but instead people will be cold, hungry, & waiting for health treatments this winter, & for quite a few to come !
She's completely barking!! Almost makes Patel look reasonable............almost!
Conservative MP not happy with the tofu reference
This is a good example of the big problem - we have normalised what a few years ago would have been seen as completely barking mad. Once the lunatics have taken over the asylum then even a modicum of sanity is seen as good news. Calling Hunt a steady pair of hands, saying Patel wasn't nearly as bad as Braverman, calls for Boris to come back as a saviour, u-turning on a budget within 2 weeks and calling it acting decisively, having a budget without any economic forecast, scrapping tax cuts but keeping bankers bonuses, reducing public spending but reducing tax on banks profits, having kids starving at school and not providing free meals ... No wonder the rest of the world is laughing at us or else shaking their heads in pity. No wonder Biden tweeted trickle down economics doesn't work. We need a major shift in our society and tell the Tories to feck off!
PS Heard a poor woman on R5 in tears about her predicament in NE England and then said she voted Tory because she just doesn't trust Starmer! These folk have been brainwashed.
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:18 pm
I didn't really want to pursue this, but I have to respond because the idea that showing a bit of humanity is tutting your way into a dictatorship is ludicrous.
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:33 pm
Where's the dignity in millions of people being pushed into poverty? Where's the dignity in naked greed being prioritised over the health of the nation? She looked a bit sad on TV - that's it. And for that we're pearl clutching over people saying "fuck you, good riddance" over her failures being laid bare?
What Truss and Kwarteng and the IEA and all their arsehole buddies are trying to do should make people absolutely fucking furious. So no, I don't think it's undignified. I also don't think it matters a jot whether it's undignified. People can tut at reactions all the way into a dictatorship if they like, but count me out. They're not even getting a fraction of what they deserve.
Did anyone suggest you should forget or forgive what the Tories have been responsible for?
Look, it's easy to show humanity when faced with a deserving case, even if the likes of Truss, Braverman, Ree-Mogg don't show it under any circumstances, I genuinely think we have to be better than them, it's far less easy to show a bit of kindness to someone who doesn't deserve it, but it we do so we lift the tone of the whole debate.
Yes be angry, of course do not let up fighting against their inhumanity, I'll celebrate like fuck on the Friday after these rapacious monsters are ousted, but I really don't want to be like them and how they react to people they perceive as their enemy - they despise me, I don't want to feel that way about anyone.
This is how you should be feeling: https://twitter.com/i/status/1582393645235376128. I'd like to see Liz Truss and Kwasi Karteng in Jail, doubt any corruption charges would stand up, but that's what they deserve. Remember neither are sorry, it's everyone else's fault, at best they went to fast. They're not on telly, but 1000s are going close to breakdowns due to there actions, this is were your sympathy should be.
Jeez that is shocking in a modern rich Country, reducing normal people to charity cases as a government policy is disgusting.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:31 am
by The sun god
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:24 pm
Would now be a good time to remind the British Public that the OBR forecast that Brexit cost the UK £100 Billion, about £40 Billion in taxes, which would now be very useful, but instead people will be cold, hungry, & waiting for health treatments this winter, & for quite a few to come !
I was reminded this morning that in 2016 the British economy was 90% the size of Germany's, today it is 70%......'Project fear' eh !!!
Listening to Nicky Campbell in R5 this morning talking to local community in NE about the impact of cost of living crisis and my god it is grim, absolutely grim! It was a hard listen to be honest. This follows on from the excellent piece on News at 10 last night. The level of poverty and inequity in the UK at the moment following 12 years if Troy Gov is just unbelievably awful. Local Tory MP came on for 5 mins took a few difficult questions, waffled, was heavily criticised and scarpered - no doubt more urgent gov business! This winter is going to be unbearably awful for many folk, many will suffer, many will die and the Tories must be held to account. If they don't update benefits in line with inflation - 10.1% - then millions more will suffer badly. There will be riots on the streets.
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:24 pm
Would now be a good time to remind the British Public that the OBR forecast that Brexit cost the UK £100 Billion, about £40 Billion in taxes, which would now be very useful, but instead people will be cold, hungry, & waiting for health treatments this winter, & for quite a few to come !
Still less than HS2.......
HS2 does get conflate with other things of course. We need a train line, we need to upgrade said train line, and building a new one seems the easier job. Whether you then need to at the spec of HS2 to shave some minutes off Birmingham to London when the links either end will still be rubbish is a fair point, but an awful lot of the spend attributed to HS2 we need. Oh for happier days when cancelling trident was deemed a big ticket item
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:24 pm
Would now be a good time to remind the British Public that the OBR forecast that Brexit cost the UK £100 Billion, about £40 Billion in taxes, which would now be very useful, but instead people will be cold, hungry, & waiting for health treatments this winter, & for quite a few to come !
Still less than HS2.......
HS2 does get conflate with other things of course. We need a train line, we need to upgrade said train line, and building a new one seems the easier job. Whether you then need to at the spec of HS2 to shave some minutes off Birmingham to London when the links either end will still be rubbish is a fair point, but an awful lot of the spend attributed to HS2 we need. Oh for happier days when cancelling trident was deemed a big ticket item
Well the HMS Prince Of Wales cost £35B, & it didn't even make it the length of Birmingham to London, before it broke down, & will now have to have millions spent on repairs
Is she just playing up to the Brexiter loons or does she actually have brainworms?
By all accounts, she's astonishingly fucking thick and this is exactly her personality laid bare for everyone to see. Just a monstrous person who happens to be in a position of huge importance because she has zero shame with no actual talent, and is willing to debase herself on a regular basis.
Marjorie Taylor Greene without the guns or the biceps.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:57 am
by fishfoodie
Seconds out, Round three !!
The title holder has already been on the canvas twice, & taken 9 counts both times; she's bleeding badly, & blinking uncontrollably in her corner, suggesting serious brain damage; but her coaches keep on pushing her out at the start of the rounds, & refuse to throw in the towel, no matter how much punishment she takes.