NPR

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:32 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:28 am

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:22 am
No its a piss take just for propaganda purposes.
It's a gesture.

Fuck me, even if it runs just for a couple of hours emergency use, is that not better than nothing? If it sets up a potential for more fuel to be offered? Israel is never going to give them thousands of litres in one go, for fear of Hamas grabbing it for their own generators.

"Yeah, Israel offered some fuel, that they desperately need, what arseholes..."

It's a gesture. Read what I have posted earlier and what Glaston has posted. Turning systems on for short periods tha have been off for long periods can cause many more problems than imagined.
This is the reason.

Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:40 pm LOL

Stop this kind of posting

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:07 pm https://x.com/astraiatwt/status/1722899 ... 47409?s=20

They repeated the video with a new actor after they apparently realise that Mr fafo is now too famous...

This is the second video that calculon posted. Same scene, same actors, just a new lead.

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:58 am

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:32 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:28 am

Fuck me, even if it runs just for a couple of hours emergency use, is that not better than nothing? If it sets up a potential for more fuel to be offered? Israel is never going to give them thousands of litres in one go, for fear of Hamas grabbing it for their own generators.

"Yeah, Israel offered some fuel, that they desperately need, what arseholes..."

It's a gesture. Read what I have posted earlier and what Glaston has posted. Turning systems on for short periods tha have been off for long periods can cause many more problems than imagined.
This is the reason.

Then leave those ones off, and at least turn the lights on so you can see what you're doing when trying to treat people at night time? Even just having lighting has surely got to be quite handy for a hospital? And it's not going to use up that much energy.. No, you're right, let's just sit in the dark and let people die, because the Israeli's offered us fuel we need, but didn't do it how we wanted.

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:38 am I'm not going to get into an argument about this.
Having worked in ITU for over 30 years I think I know a little bit about the workings of a hospital
Part of my job at present involves me recommending home generators for ventilators btw.
We can agree to differ over what an impact such a small amount of fuel will have.

Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:49 am I haven’t followed this particular story but wasn't the fuel rejected because the Hamas controlled hospital didn't want the Israeli army delivering it, rather than because C69 told them the amount was insultingly little?

Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:56 am OK, so they still wanted the fuel despite the fact that it was “going to cause more problems than imagined”

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:16 pm Is it true that Israel has suggested Blair be a chief negotiator in the conflict?
Really?I thought this may be mischief making.

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:16 pm Is it true that Israel has suggested Blair be a chief negotiator in the conflict?
Really?I thought this may be mischief making.

Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:23 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:40 pm LOL

Stop this kind of posting

What "kind" of posting? Laughably fake propaganda videos?

Am I allowed to quote them if they are posted by another poster?

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:07 pm https://x.com/astraiatwt/status/1722899 ... 47409?s=20

They repeated the video with a new actor after they apparently realise that Mr fafo is now too famous...

This is the second video that calculon posted. Same scene, same actors, just a new lead.

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:03 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:16 pm Is it true that Israel has suggested Blair be a chief negotiator in the conflict?
Really?I thought this may be mischief making.

Blair has been very active on the middle east peace process for a fair while now. Reading up on it (I thought he had been, didn't realise how much). He was the middle east envoy for the UN, EU, US and Russia for 8 years, and there's a thing called the Tony Blair institute too.

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:03 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:16 pm Is it true that Israel has suggested Blair be a chief negotiator in the conflict?
Really?I thought this may be mischief making.

Blair has been very active on the middle east peace process for a fair while now. Reading up on it (I thought he had been, didn't realise how much). He was the middle east envoy for the UN, EU, US and Russia for 8 years, and there's a thing called the Tony Blair institute too.

Err many in the UK think he may be a war criminal

I believe it is a sentiment that may be felt by all but Israel.

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:46 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:03 pm

Blair has been very active on the middle east peace process for a fair while now. Reading up on it (I thought he had been, didn't realise how much). He was the middle east envoy for the UN, EU, US and Russia for 8 years, and there's a thing called the Tony Blair institute too.

Err many in the UK think he may be a war criminal

I believe it is a sentiment that may be felt by all but Israel.

Yet the EU, UN etc still felt that he was the right choice for middle East envoy.

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:51 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:46 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm
Err many in the UK think he may be a war criminal

I believe it is a sentiment that may be felt by all but Israel.

Yet the EU, UN etc still felt that he was the right choice for middle East envoy.

What do the ME think about this?
The press ànd the populace?

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:21 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:51 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:46 pm

Yet the EU, UN etc still felt that he was the right choice for middle East envoy.

What do the ME think about this?
The press ànd the populace?

I don't know, have you tried looking it up?

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:27 pm
Really?
That response is below you.

Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:25 am

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:27 pm
Really?
That response is below you.

Why? I'm serious, you ask questions and seem to expect someone else to keep handing you answers. If it had been something to do with Israel, fair enough, this though? Your search bar works as well as mine. A quick search would suggest Saudi Arabia give his foundation cash. Jordan seems to endorse the institute at a governmental level as well, sending representatives to the graduations. Blair and his institute seem to interact with the Egyptian government too.

Why couldn't you have looked that up?

If you mean is there reaction to a rumour that doesn't get seem to have been announced officially, no, I can't be bothered to try andfind that. Maybe you can?

Edit - oh, and if we're being picky, better working in a hospital with the lights on or off?

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:43 pm I'm not a huge Blair fan, albeit I was never as vexed with going to war in Iraq as many, but if he's a voice Israel will listen to and it helps get some much needed aid in then concerns about what it looks like can piss right off.

As the decades roll on it continues to be the case nobody has a good idea what to do, but it is at least something if you've got someone who can start to have a conversation

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:53 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:25 am

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:27 pm
Really?
That response is below you.

Why? I'm serious, you ask questions and seem to expect someone else to keep handing you answers. If it had been something to do with Israel, fair enough, this though? Your search bar works as well as mine. A quick search would suggest Saudi Arabia give his foundation cash. Jordan seems to endorse the institute at a governmental level as well, sending representatives to the graduations. Blair and his institute seem to interact with the Egyptian government too.

Why couldn't you have looked that up?

If you mean is there reaction to a rumour that doesn't get seem to have been announced officially, no, I can't be bothered to try andfind that. Maybe you can?

Edit - oh, and if we're being picky, better working in a hospital with the lights on or off?

Perhaps he was looking for an opinion from someone with local knowledge, as opposed to 'looking it up'... media being the treacherous beast we all know it to be.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:19 pm Interesting series.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Austr ... prov=sfla1

Some eerie parallels with modern times.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:40 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:19 pm Interesting series.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Austr ... prov=sfla1

Some eerie parallels with modern times.

I haven't heard of it, though I see it's available on BBC iplayer.

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:05 am

Happily posting their war crimes, civilian clothing, protected buildings.

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:12 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:05 am

Happily posting their war crimes, civilian clothing, protected buildings.

Before I click play, should I?

Eugenius wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:19 pm You think ?

Evidence please .

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:12 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:05 am

Happily posting their war crimes, civilian clothing, protected buildings.

Before I click play, should I?

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:03 pm So Arab countries won't be playing kapo for Israel.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... -israel-us

Safadi, in a no-holds-barred attack on Israel and the cover being provided by the US, said faith in peaceful negotiation and international law was being destroyed by the west’s refusal to rein in Israel.

The credibility of international law had fallen victim to its selective application, he said. “If any other country in the world did a fragment of what Israel did, it would have sanctions imposed on it from every corner of the world.”

He said even those who accepted Israel was acting in self-defence “keep telling Israel to act within international law. It is not, so where do we go from here? Keep telling them to do it? They keep refusing to do it. People are being killed day in and day out.”

He said: “International law has to apply to all. The message seems to be that Israel can do whatever it wants. That is what the world is seeing, [that] Israel is above the law.”

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 12:40 am As far as I understand it, this is the oder of events of something that happened this week, Piers Morgan, someone who has portrayed himself as a beacon in the battle for free speech, he interviewed Jeremy Corbyn for a pod cast in which he repeatedly asked Corbyn to describe Hamas as a terrorist organisation. Corbyn apparently avoided the question several times.

I saw in the Guardian earlier that Starmer was saying Corbyn's days as a Labour MP were over, he'd never be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate again.

No matter what you think of Corbyn, he has not donned a bandanna and picked up an AK47, he has not planted any bombs nor, as far as I'm aware, has he condoned the atrocities on 7th of October or incited armed aggression of any sort.

From his wiki page, the people of his constituency have elected him at every opportunity since 1983.

These bastions of free speech have denied the people of the constituency of Islington North the opportunity to vote for the same candidate they have shown faith in for 40 years. I'm not asking anyone to like Corbyn and I'm certainly not asking anyone to agree with him, but shouldn't his constituents decide if he should represent them or not? - that is the argument I've heard the likes of Rees-Mogg trot out when asked if he should step down after being found out for one thing and another.

My recollection of Corbyn's association with Hamas and other groups is that he has always advocated dialogue, you know, just like Thatcher did in private with groups in Northern Ireland whilst proscribing them in public.