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Saint wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:15 pm So, COVID claims another victim, this time Public Health England. In yet another sign of this being policy made up on the spot, Matt Hancok admits that they haven;t worked out where the non COVID responsibilities of PHE are going to end up

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:51 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:15 pm So, COVID claims another victim, this time Public Health England. In yet another sign of this being policy made up on the spot, Matt Hancok admits that they haven;t worked out where the non COVID responsibilities of PHE are going to end up

And they put a Boris crony who still hasn't got to grips with track and trace and has zero public health background in charge. Not sure how she will fi it in with her three or four other jobs.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:00 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:51 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:15 pm So, COVID claims another victim, this time Public Health England. In yet another sign of this being policy made up on the spot, Matt Hancok admits that they haven;t worked out where the non COVID responsibilities of PHE are going to end up

And they put a Boris crony who still hasn't got to grips with track and trace and has zero public health background in charge. Not sure how she will fi it in with her three or four other jobs.

You'd have thought she'd have raised the white flag and gone down with the ship.

Un Pilier wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:29 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:00 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:51 pm
And they put a Boris crony who still hasn't got to grips with track and trace and has zero public health background in charge. Not sure how she will fi it in with her three or four other jobs.

You'd have thought she'd have raised the white flag and gone down with the ship.

Not her ship that’s going down though? It’s HMS PHE that’s to be scuttled.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:32 pm

Un Pilier wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:29 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:00 pm

You'd have thought she'd have raised the white flag and gone down with the ship.

Not her ship that’s going down though? It’s HMS PHE that’s to be scuttled.

I'm just going with the facts I've got here with me.

She's no angel.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:00 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:51 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:15 pm So, COVID claims another victim, this time Public Health England. In yet another sign of this being policy made up on the spot, Matt Hancok admits that they haven;t worked out where the non COVID responsibilities of PHE are going to end up

And they put a Boris crony who still hasn't got to grips with track and trace and has zero public health background in charge. Not sure how she will fi it in with her three or four other jobs.

You'd have thought she'd have raised the white flag and gone down with the ship.

CM11 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:03 am Re. the New Zealand article, we are seeing significant asymptomatic spread in Ireland (one cluster was about 95% asymptomatic) currently and very few serious cases from the 1000+ cases we've had in recent weeks. I think he's premature in being smug about others being ill informed.

Ted. wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:43 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:03 am Re. the New Zealand article, we are seeing significant asymptomatic spread in Ireland (one cluster was about 95% asymptomatic) currently and very few serious cases from the 1000+ cases we've had in recent weeks. I think he's premature in being smug about others being ill informed.

That's your only take out from the article?

CM11 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:24 pm

Ted. wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:43 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:03 am Re. the New Zealand article, we are seeing significant asymptomatic spread in Ireland (one cluster was about 95% asymptomatic) currently and very few serious cases from the 1000+ cases we've had in recent weeks. I think he's premature in being smug about others being ill informed.

That's your only take out from the article?

That wasn't a 'take'. It was a comment on part of the article. Specifically to point out just how much asymptomatic cases there are out there. We've a lot more to learn about that type of case.

Ted. wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:14 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:24 pm

Ted. wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:43 pm

That's your only take out from the article?

That wasn't a 'take'. It was a comment on part of the article. Specifically to point out just how much asymptomatic cases there are out there. We've a lot more to learn about that type of case.

I'm not sure he was smug about other being ill informed, the people he is commenting on are naysayers and conspiracy theorists who approach is political rather than metallically, scientifically or even economically based. As to your point on asymptomatic spread, I don't think the writer would disagree with you, but given he didn't comment on that aspect of the virus and its disease causing ability, I think your comments are superfluous.

CM11 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:22 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:14 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:24 pm

That wasn't a 'take'. It was a comment on part of the article. Specifically to point out just how much asymptomatic cases there are out there. We've a lot more to learn about that type of case.

I'm not sure he was smug about other being ill informed, the people he is commenting on are naysayers and conspiracy theorists who approach is political rather than metallically, scientifically or even economically based. As to your point on asymptomatic spread, I don't think the writer would disagree with you, but given he didn't comment on that aspect of the virus and its disease causing ability, I think your comments are superfluous.

Of course he commented on it. When he said 1/100 people who catch covid will die within 28 days. We've had over 1000 cases in the last two weeks. A massive proportion are asymptomatic. We're not going to have over a hundred deaths in the next few weeks. But will you have ten, which is what he is saying There is still plenty more to be learned about this disease.

And yes, I know stats even out but the 1/100 is massively skewed by age and vulnerability while also, IMO, not taking a large enough undectectd case load into consideration. The key question is how contagious an asymptomatic person is and whether they should even count as having had Covid from the statistical perspective (can they get it again easily or are they always going to shrug it off if they catch it). Another option might be that due to masks and other restrictions, are they asymptomatic simply because they got a weak viral load. Could that actually be weather related? Plenty more questions that need answering before we get measures right.

I do hope it doesn't take hold in NZ but I fear you've just delayed the inevitable and it needs to go through your healthy population at some stage. Fingers crossed your efforts will reap rewards and you make it to the vaccine without much more suffering.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:50 am Things you won't see reported in the MSM.

England PHE Reported COVID-19 related Deaths (no time restriction) as of 18/8/20

Week Beginning (Mon)
13/7 - 472
20/7 - 449
27/7 - 443
03/8 - 359
10/8 - 432

CM11 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:28 am Unfortunately it's not possible to track recent deaths here from covid so it'll be inconclusive if we do register that many deaths as deaths get reported quite late here. Not sure why they haven't forced the issue but there you go.

IMO, 1000 cases here now is closer to 10,000 at the start.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:56 am 2 people died of covid yesterday across the whole UK’s hospitals.

...the announcements aren’t for the day they’re announced.

Why can’t you grasp this ?

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:22 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:56 am 2 people died of covid yesterday across the whole UK’s hospitals.

I thought you said...

...the announcements aren’t for the day they’re announced.

Why can’t you grasp this ?

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:34 am Pillar 1 results. Different from pillar 2.
You know this right?
Either way, stop trying to scare people with nonsense statistics. I can not grasp why you’d want that.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:44 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:34 am Pillar 1 results. Different from pillar 2.
You know this right?
Either way, stop trying to scare people with nonsense statistics. I can not grasp why you’d want that.

So, just to be clear, you're saying they died yesterday?

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:28 pm Day before, in hospital.

Mahoney wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:36 am Excess deaths continue to be negative as of week ending 7th August:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales

Hospital admission, total in hospital & patients in mechanical ventilation beds are flat:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

All of which matches up with the flat lining deaths at around 10-15 a day.

The anomaly is the steady linear growth in cases. If there were a concerted attempt to deceive us they wouldn't be showing the linear climb in number of cases.

It looks to me as if the situation is pretty stable in the UK & the growth in cases is a result of increased testing.

Other hypotheses I can think of - the virus itself has become less deadly, or the people most likely to get it badly have already had it. But as less than 10% of the UK seems likely to have had it at all, and I haven't read any suggestion that the virus has mutated to become less deadly, those seem less likely hypotheses.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:59 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:28 pm Day before, in hospital.

So, not yesterday then Why would you say yesterday when you know that not to be true?

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:59 pm

Mahoney wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:36 am Excess deaths continue to be negative as of week ending 7th August:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales

Hospital admission, total in hospital & patients in mechanical ventilation beds are flat:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

All of which matches up with the flat lining deaths at around 10-15 a day.

The anomaly is the steady linear growth in cases. If there were a concerted attempt to deceive us they wouldn't be showing the linear climb in number of cases.

It looks to me as if the situation is pretty stable in the UK & the growth in cases is a result of increased testing.

Other hypotheses I can think of - the virus itself has become less deadly, or the people most likely to get it badly have already had it. But as less than 10% of the UK seems likely to have had it at all, and I haven't read any suggestion that the virus has mutated to become less deadly, those seem less likely hypotheses.

I see that as more and more under 30s are heading out again as normal, getting infected but are resilient enough to not need a hospital bed (or die)

The older crowd are dead or still self-isolating properly.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:05 pmBeing pedantic on this issue just demonstrates your desperation to scare people with fake news. Why do you want to do that.

It was clear what I meant, It’s clear it’s a very low number, just as it’s clear you post the highest number you can conjure up to try and create a false narrative.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:17 amPublic health England rather than the government.... the ONS is reliable.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:17 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:05 pmBeing pedantic on this issue just demonstrates your desperation to scare people with fake news. Why do you want to do that.

It was clear what I meant, It’s clear it’s a very low number, just as it’s clear you post the highest number you can conjure up to try and create a false narrative.

Thank you , you just proved my point perfectly. I was just doing exactly what you did but a few days ago.


BTW, You are quoting PHE numbers

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:17 amPublic health England rather than the government.... the ONS is reliable.

But the PHE numbers for Pillar 1 say we've had 36,628 deaths to 31 July, ONS says 51,710 deaths. How do you reconcile this 41% discrepancy between the reliable ONS data against the dodgy PHE data you're using?

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:56 am 2 people died of covid yesterday across the whole UK’s hospitals.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:21 pm The difference between PHE and ONS is a separate issue

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:07 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:59 pm

Mahoney wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:36 am Excess deaths continue to be negative as of week ending 7th August:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales

Hospital admission, total in hospital & patients in mechanical ventilation beds are flat:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

All of which matches up with the flat lining deaths at around 10-15 a day.

The anomaly is the steady linear growth in cases. If there were a concerted attempt to deceive us they wouldn't be showing the linear climb in number of cases.

It looks to me as if the situation is pretty stable in the UK & the growth in cases is a result of increased testing.

Other hypotheses I can think of - the virus itself has become less deadly, or the people most likely to get it badly have already had it. But as less than 10% of the UK seems likely to have had it at all, and I haven't read any suggestion that the virus has mutated to become less deadly, those seem less likely hypotheses.

I see that as more and more under 30s are heading out again as normal, getting infected but are resilient enough to not need a hospital bed (or die)

The older crowd are dead or still self-isolating properly.

When you say “resilient enough not to die” you mean not even getting symptoms.

Self isolation isn’t required anymore (Properly or otherwise). That the virus took the most vulnerable of course is a real thing.

You seem very worried about the virus.

There's plenty more of "the most" vulnerable out there Bimbo. Indications froim the continent are that it;s re-establishing a foothold in care homes; it would still be very possible for a second wave to significantly impact the NHS

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:29 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:56 am 2 people died of covid yesterday across the whole UK’s hospitals.

Best reporting

On the 16/8 the same published Pillar 1 Death count reported was 1 for day before, the 15th.

As of yesterday, the published death count for the same day, the 15th, says it's now 9.

So let's see what the real number for pillar 1 is in a few days time for 'yesterday'.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:21 pm The difference between PHE and ONS is a separate issue

I'm all ears.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:07 pm
When you say “resilient enough not to die” you mean not even getting symptoms.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:44 pm

There's plenty more of "the most" vulnerable out there Bimbo. Indications froim the continent are that it;s re-establishing a foothold in care homes; it would still be very possible for a second wave to significantly impact the NHS

Indeed, I said nothing about the continent. We’ve been warned about the second wave so I’m sure we will spot it.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:50 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:07 pm
When you say “resilient enough not to die” you mean not even getting symptoms.

No, I don't mean that.