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Grandpa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:17 am

Gumboot wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:54 am The only thing I dislike about it is the long prevalent intro credits sequence with all the "blink and you've missed it" clues and red herrings that come with this kind of show. Was it originally an American thing that's been adopted by UK police procedurals? The Wire > True Detective > Sharp Objects > Mare of Easttown... Whatever the case, it's becoming quite cliched imho.

I agree though I liked Unforgotten because it didn't seem to go overboard in this area. One show that annoys me to the point I can't watch it is Line of Duty!

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 2:33 pmLine of duty started off great but jesus, it got silly.

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:41 am Caught up with Last uf Us. It's not bad but it's not great. She definitely gets better but the story is still flirting with an overall feeling of cheapness. Not a total write off though.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:02 pm

Grandpa wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:40 amHave they replaced Nicola? Does Sanjeev have a new partner in crime?

Yep, Cassie's been replaced by Jessie...who has already managed to piss off pretty much everyone else.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:03 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 2:33 pmLine of duty started off great but jesus, it got silly.

Did it what. By the last series I couldn't give two fecks who "H" was.

Grandpa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:22 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:41 am Caught up with Last uf Us. It's not bad but it's not great. She definitely gets better but the story is still flirting with an overall feeling of cheapness. Not a total write off though.

That road they were driving on in the last episode was remarkably well maintained... better than a lot of roads I see now...

Last of Us is one of those nearly TV shows. It's like it's almost going to be good... but never quite gets out of second gear...

CM11 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:06 pm

Grandpa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:22 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:41 am Caught up with Last uf Us. It's not bad but it's not great. She definitely gets better but the story is still flirting with an overall feeling of cheapness. Not a total write off though.

That road they were driving on in the last episode was remarkably well maintained... better than a lot of roads I see now...

Last of Us is one of those nearly TV shows. It's like it's almost going to be good... but never quite gets out of second gear...

I wasn't the only one to have the same thought about the road!

Bit of a damp squib final episode but it's always all been about Joel and Ellie and not much else so I guess it fits with the rest of the series.

Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:10 pm Know I'm a bit late, but really disappointed with the ending of the consultant.

LenCohen wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:11 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:10 pm Know I'm a bit late, but really disappointed with the ending of the consultant.

Yes absolute shit show of a final episode. Had been enjoying it as mindless silliness up till then

Grandpa wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:55 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:06 pm

Grandpa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:22 pm

That road they were driving on in the last episode was remarkably well maintained... better than a lot of roads I see now...

Last of Us is one of those nearly TV shows. It's like it's almost going to be good... but never quite gets out of second gear...

I wasn't the only one to have the same thought about the road!

Bit of a damp squib final episode but it's always all been about Joel and Ellie and not much else so I guess it fits with the rest of the series.

I was half expecting them to pull into a fully functioning motorway services...

At some point I think they'll need to consider their clothes... after 20 years most clothes will be falling apart... not nicely pressed and ironed...

I'm glad that zombie people are less prevalent...

Blackmac wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:03 pm

Grandpa wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:55 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:06 pm

I wasn't the only one to have the same thought about the road!

Bit of a damp squib final episode but it's always all been about Joel and Ellie and not much else so I guess it fits with the rest of the series.

I was half expecting them to pull into a fully functioning motorway services...

At some point I think they'll need to consider their clothes... after 20 years most clothes will be falling apart... not nicely pressed and ironed...

I'm glad that zombie people are less prevalent...

The ridiculousness of the gun battle in the hospital where a man who was on deaths door a few days ago was able to overcome dozens of Fireflies was off the scale.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:28 pm This isn't a series or returning, but while chatting with Ginger Jedi, the nuclear war programme Thread was discussed and I found it here.

Far more realistic and terrifying than The Day After

https://hdtoday.tv/watch-movie/watch-th ... 36.5312476

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:11 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:03 pm

Grandpa wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:55 pm

I was half expecting them to pull into a fully functioning motorway services...

At some point I think they'll need to consider their clothes... after 20 years most clothes will be falling apart... not nicely pressed and ironed...

I'm glad that zombie people are less prevalent...

The ridiculousness of the gun battle in the hospital where a man who was on deaths door a few days ago was able to overcome dozens of Fireflies was off the scale.

It's not obvious - and they should have made it so - that a fair bit of time has elapsed since they left Colorado, in the game the season has changed from Winter to Spring. Was a little surprised they chose the gameplay rampage route though - you can also do this by stealth and sneaking ( and at highest difficulty level you have to really). It serves a purpose in the game where you have lethal and non lethal weapons at your disposal but throws any credibility out of the window really as live action.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:04 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:11 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:03 pm

The ridiculousness of the gun battle in the hospital where a man who was on deaths door a few days ago was able to overcome dozens of Fireflies was off the scale.

It's not obvious - and they should have made it so - that a fair bit of time has elapsed since they left Colorado, in the game the season has changed from Winter to Spring. Was a little surprised they chose the gameplay rampage route though - you can also do this by stealth and sneaking ( and at highest difficulty level you have to really). It serves a purpose in the game where you have lethal and non lethal weapons at your disposal but throws any credibility out of the window really as live action.

I understand that the story is derived from a game but struggle to understand how they think unrealistic gameplay style scenes would translate to the screen when the majority of people like myself have never actually played a computer game in their lives.

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:17 am

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:04 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:11 pm
It's not obvious - and they should have made it so - that a fair bit of time has elapsed since they left Colorado, in the game the season has changed from Winter to Spring. Was a little surprised they chose the gameplay rampage route though - you can also do this by stealth and sneaking ( and at highest difficulty level you have to really). It serves a purpose in the game where you have lethal and non lethal weapons at your disposal but throws any credibility out of the window really as live action.

I understand that the story is derived from a game but struggle to understand how they think unrealistic gameplay style scenes would translate to the screen when the majority of people like myself have never actually played a computer game in their lives.

They'd probably not be too worried. Even twenty years ago the biggest group of gamers were men in their thirties, those guys are obviously now in their fifties and many haven't stopped. Younger generations have only larger proportions of gamers, from both sexes. If you've never gamed, you're not the primary target audience, they're no doubt happy to have you along, but suspension of disbelief is common in all fantasy and sci fi pretty much.

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:17 am

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:04 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:11 pm
It's not obvious - and they should have made it so - that a fair bit of time has elapsed since they left Colorado, in the game the season has changed from Winter to Spring. Was a little surprised they chose the gameplay rampage route though - you can also do this by stealth and sneaking ( and at highest difficulty level you have to really). It serves a purpose in the game where you have lethal and non lethal weapons at your disposal but throws any credibility out of the window really as live action.

I understand that the story is derived from a game but struggle to understand how they think unrealistic gameplay style scenes would translate to the screen when the majority of people like myself have never actually played a computer game in their lives.

They'd probably not be too worried. Even twenty years ago the biggest group of gamers were men in their thirties, those guys are obviously now in their fifties and many haven't stopped. Younger generations have only larger proportions of gamers, from both sexes. If you've never gamed, you're not the primary target audience, they're no doubt happy to have you along, but suspension of disbelief is common in all fantasy and sci fi pretty much.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:19 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:17 am

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:04 am

I understand that the story is derived from a game but struggle to understand how they think unrealistic gameplay style scenes would translate to the screen when the majority of people like myself have never actually played a computer game in their lives.

They'd probably not be too worried. Even twenty years ago the biggest group of gamers were men in their thirties, those guys are obviously now in their fifties and many haven't stopped. Younger generations have only larger proportions of gamers, from both sexes. If you've never gamed, you're not the primary target audience, they're no doubt happy to have you along, but suspension of disbelief is common in all fantasy and sci fi pretty much.

Really, I'm in my 50's and have a pretty large group of friends and associates from work, sport etc and I'm pretty certain I don't know of one that is likely to be a gamer.

I genuinely find the whole thing astonishing. My daughter's friends all seem to have partner/husbands who have dedicated gaming areas in their house and will spend a huge amount of time playing games. These lads often have kids and I just cannot understand how the hell they can waste their lives on that shit when there is so much else to be done.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:18 am On Reddit, there are two distinct discussion zones for those who played the game and those who watch the show only. Few people on the latter seem to be so concerned about pulling apart the mechanics of the story and seeing if it holds up under scrutiny - of course there are debates about many aspects of it but only on this forum is it overwhelmingly apathy or criticism. Guess folks here are harder to please, and by and large the series seems to have mainly positive feedback from reviewers ( not all of course) and the audience it was aimed at - which was the task of trying to please both gamers and non-gamers...

The debate, as per for those who finished the game is largely about the choice made and whether it was justified or not.

Reaction to the second series will be...interesting.

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:20 am

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:19 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:17 am

They'd probably not be too worried. Even twenty years ago the biggest group of gamers were men in their thirties, those guys are obviously now in their fifties and many haven't stopped. Younger generations have only larger proportions of gamers, from both sexes. If you've never gamed, you're not the primary target audience, they're no doubt happy to have you along, but suspension of disbelief is common in all fantasy and sci fi pretty much.

Really, I'm in my 50's and have a pretty large group of friends and associates from work, sport etc and I'm pretty certain I don't know of one that is likely to be a gamer.

I genuinely find the whole thing astonishing. My daughter's friends all seem to have partner/husbands who have dedicated gaming areas in their house and will spend a huge amount of time playing games. These lads often have kids and I just cannot understand how the hell they can waste their lives on that shit when there is so much else to be done.

Like arguing on an online rugby forum?

Jock42 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:16 am I enjoyed the series as a whole and particularly the scene he slots all the fireflies, thought it was well filmed. Haven't played it so don't know how true to the game the ending is but didn't see the twist and Joel's story after but I liked that too. Assume its true to the game.

Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:25 am I liked it. I’m not a gamer. Likewise didn’t know about the game until some here mentioned it.

I’m pleased it wasn’t just Zombie de-braining throughout the whole series.

I’m slightly wondering however where to go now for season 2. I’m assuming the brother has something to do with them needing to be on the run, leaking info about Ellie.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:19 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:17 am

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:04 am

I understand that the story is derived from a game but struggle to understand how they think unrealistic gameplay style scenes would translate to the screen when the majority of people like myself have never actually played a computer game in their lives.

They'd probably not be too worried. Even twenty years ago the biggest group of gamers were men in their thirties, those guys are obviously now in their fifties and many haven't stopped. Younger generations have only larger proportions of gamers, from both sexes. If you've never gamed, you're not the primary target audience, they're no doubt happy to have you along, but suspension of disbelief is common in all fantasy and sci fi pretty much.

Really, I'm in my 50's and have a pretty large group of friends and associates from work, sport etc and I'm pretty certain I don't know of one that is likely to be a gamer.

I genuinely find the whole thing astonishing. My daughter's friends all seem to have partner/husbands who have dedicated gaming areas in their house and will spend a huge amount of time playing games. These lads often have kids and I just cannot understand how the hell they can waste their lives on that shit when there is so much else to be done.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:28 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:20 am

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:19 am

Really, I'm in my 50's and have a pretty large group of friends and associates from work, sport etc and I'm pretty certain I don't know of one that is likely to be a gamer.

I genuinely find the whole thing astonishing. My daughter's friends all seem to have partner/husbands who have dedicated gaming areas in their house and will spend a huge amount of time playing games. These lads often have kids and I just cannot understand how the hell they can waste their lives on that shit when there is so much else to be done.

Like arguing on an online rugby forum?

I'm retired, built a household and have brought up my family. I would imagine I average about 10 minutes a day on here. As a twenty something I had a million and one things to occupy me, so much so that I had to give up things like golf for 15 years just to cope.

I think the difference is we did everything ourselves. Learnt to do up our own houses, fix our own cars etc, whereas this generation are hocked to the eyeballs in new build houses and new cars so they don't have to do any if that stuff. It's amazing how many of my gardening clients are young families who would rather pay someone to do a basic task than do it themselves. Anyway, back to the TV series....

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:51 am

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:19 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:17 am

They'd probably not be too worried. Even twenty years ago the biggest group of gamers were men in their thirties, those guys are obviously now in their fifties and many haven't stopped. Younger generations have only larger proportions of gamers, from both sexes. If you've never gamed, you're not the primary target audience, they're no doubt happy to have you along, but suspension of disbelief is common in all fantasy and sci fi pretty much.

Really, I'm in my 50's and have a pretty large group of friends and associates from work, sport etc and I'm pretty certain I don't know of one that is likely to be a gamer.

I genuinely find the whole thing astonishing. My daughter's friends all seem to have partner/husbands who have dedicated gaming areas in their house and will spend a huge amount of time playing games. These lads often have kids and I just cannot understand how the hell they can waste their lives on that shit when there is so much else to be done.

Why do people trainspot, angle, birdwatch, stamp collect, do role play games etc? People just have different interests.

We're on the TV thread, why do people watch fictional TV (or film)? Escapism and the chance to experience something they might not otherwise be able to, games provide that and typically for many more hourse, while putting the player in charge of the action. There's research out there about the cognitive benefits of playing certain types of games, certainly it's a more active pursuit for your brain than vegging out in front of the telly like so many people do.

They're also an all weather activity, which certainly has its own commendation in a country like the UK.

The RoI on games is pretty high compared to other entertainment you pay for, with it being possible to get scores if not hundreds of hours out of a single one.

If playing online games, people often build friendships with those they play with. Growing up I would always hear my brother on mic with his gamer buddies from all over the place. He didn't have many irl friends and he found belonging in his gaming community, which actually gave him the apparent confidence to make more irl friends.

I'm not and have never been a gamer but I know people who are and they are mostly successful individuals with plenty going on, sometimes they just like to sit down and play games for a few hours. You frankly come off at best as 'old man yelling at clouds', at worst condescending and close minded. There are obviously people who basically make gaming their entire life and that's not healthy, but that can be said of many other pursuits too.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:32 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:51 am

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:19 am

Really, I'm in my 50's and have a pretty large group of friends and associates from work, sport etc and I'm pretty certain I don't know of one that is likely to be a gamer.

I genuinely find the whole thing astonishing. My daughter's friends all seem to have partner/husbands who have dedicated gaming areas in their house and will spend a huge amount of time playing games. These lads often have kids and I just cannot understand how the hell they can waste their lives on that shit when there is so much else to be done.

Why do people trainspot, angle, birdwatch, stamp collect, do role play games etc? People just have different interests.

We're on the TV thread, why do people watch fictional TV (or film)? Escapism and the chance to experience something they might not otherwise be able to, games provide that and typically for many more hourse, while putting the player in charge of the action. There's research out there about the cognitive benefits of playing certain types of games, certainly it's a more active pursuit for your brain than vegging out in front of the telly like so many people do.

They're also an all weather activity, which certainly has its own commendation in a country like the UK.

The RoI on games is pretty high compared to other entertainment you pay for, with it being possible to get scores if not hundreds of hours out of a single one.

If playing online games, people often build friendships with those they play with. Growing up I would always hear my brother on mic with his gamer buddies from all over the place. He didn't have many irl friends and he found belonging in his gaming community, which actually gave him the apparent confidence to make more irl friends.

I'm not and have never been a gamer but I know people who are and they are mostly successful individuals with plenty going on, sometimes they just like to sit down and play games for a few hours. You frankly come off at best as 'old man yelling at clouds', at worst condescending and close minded. There are obviously people who basically make gaming their entire life and that's not healthy, but that can be said of many other pursuits too.

I could watch TV with my family and kids, play sports with them, experience healthy activities with them. Some of the activities you have compared also provide exactly that and are reasonable healthy, sociable activities. Gaming is essentially a pretty solitary and unhealthy experience which whilst you might be able to share with random gamers you will likely never meet, you probably aren't sharing much of an experience with your wife and young family. I appreciate some games might provide some sort of positive stimulation but there is no way spending hours playing violent shoot em up shit can be good for anyone. I know at least two of my daughters friends whose marriages or on a sticky wicket because they spend so much time doing it to the expense of spending time and experiences with their wife and kids.

Basically I think some of the positives you are try to claim are tentative to say the least.

Brazil wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:28 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:32 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:51 am

Why do people trainspot, angle, birdwatch, stamp collect, do role play games etc? People just have different interests.

We're on the TV thread, why do people watch fictional TV (or film)? Escapism and the chance to experience something they might not otherwise be able to, games provide that and typically for many more hourse, while putting the player in charge of the action. There's research out there about the cognitive benefits of playing certain types of games, certainly it's a more active pursuit for your brain than vegging out in front of the telly like so many people do.

They're also an all weather activity, which certainly has its own commendation in a country like the UK.

The RoI on games is pretty high compared to other entertainment you pay for, with it being possible to get scores if not hundreds of hours out of a single one.

If playing online games, people often build friendships with those they play with. Growing up I would always hear my brother on mic with his gamer buddies from all over the place. He didn't have many irl friends and he found belonging in his gaming community, which actually gave him the apparent confidence to make more irl friends.

I'm not and have never been a gamer but I know people who are and they are mostly successful individuals with plenty going on, sometimes they just like to sit down and play games for a few hours. You frankly come off at best as 'old man yelling at clouds', at worst condescending and close minded. There are obviously people who basically make gaming their entire life and that's not healthy, but that can be said of many other pursuits too.

I could watch TV with my family and kids, play sports with them, experience healthy activities with them. Some of the activities you have compared also provide exactly that and are reasonable healthy, sociable activities. Gaming is essentially a pretty solitary and unhealthy experience which whilst you might be able to share with random gamers you will likely never meet, you probably aren't sharing much of an experience with your wife and young family. I appreciate some games might provide some sort of positive stimulation but there is no way spending hours playing violent shoot em up shit can be good for anyone. I know at least two of my daughters friends whose marriages or on a sticky wicket because they spend so much time doing it to the expense of spending time and experiences with their wife and kids.

Basically I think some of the positives you are try to claim are tentative to say the least.

I was about to go off on one about this, but then realised a) you're talking about people with kids specifically and, b) my Atilla Total War Campaign, which was close to completing the restoration of the Pagan West over the entire empire and beyond, went to shit as soon as we had kids. So I agree - gamers are weirdos. The bastards.

Ymx wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:48 pm Anyone watched the white lotus?

It’s strangely addictive. Finished both seasons now.