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I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:56 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:50 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:48 pm

Don't really agree with this. People's impressions of the first year of a labour govt will be increasing prices for everything and unaffordable mortgages.

People care more about money than political dysfunction.

I'd be confident that they could frame it as the mess that the Tories left for them. Just as the Tories did when Cameron became PM post financial crash to a lesser extent.

Without the press on their side? I doubt it.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:58 am I wrote this for a news circular on the Saturday after the Mini Budget:

Will Truss/Kwarteng resort to the mother of all humiliations and be forced into the biggest U turn since Gladstone’s adoption of Home Rule for Ireland? If so, Kwarteng’s career is over. Not even a “jobs for the boys” awaits him in the City after this. If not, don’t bet on Truss not becoming the shortest reigning PM in history, thus eclipsing Douglas-Home’s 366 days (he at least made it past one year in Downing Street).

Looks like we'll see all 3 come to pass.

sturginho wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:00 pm I'm a fighter not a quitter she said, 24 hours before quitting

tc27 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:48 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:43 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:42 pm

Labour will prefer an election in 24 months - let the Tories take the hits that are coming on the economy.

Given that an election now would likely see the Tories annihilated, what possible benefit is to Labour to have an election in 24 months for the same result at best and being left with an even bigger financial disaster to work with?

Because the strength of the Dollar, inflation and global fuel costs will make the next few months awful and there's very little a new government could do about it. Why waste the first two years owning this?

The new Tory Government will have to be wary of the markets so will have very little headroom to make itself popular again...as Hunt suggested spending cuts may well be necessary.

Arguably in 24 months the situation on all fronts will be better.

Labour came in just as the economy recovered from the mid 90s nadir in 97 and benefited enormously from it.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:00 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:56 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:50 pm

I'd be confident that they could frame it as the mess that the Tories left for them. Just as the Tories did when Cameron became PM post financial crash to a lesser extent.

Without the press on their side? I doubt it.

Well sounds like Keir's calling for one.

Will agree to disagree, but for me you don't give the Tories any chance at all to look competent for a year or two under a leader that doesn't shit the bed.

Ultimately though we'll have to wait and see whether the Tories can consolidate and stave off calls for it.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:03 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:48 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:43 pm

Given that an election now would likely see the Tories annihilated, what possible benefit is to Labour to have an election in 24 months for the same result at best and being left with an even bigger financial disaster to work with?

Because the strength of the Dollar, inflation and global fuel costs will make the next few months awful and there's very little a new government could do about it. Why waste the first two years owning this?

The new Tory Government will have to be wary of the markets so will have very little headroom to make itself popular again...as Hunt suggested spending cuts may well be necessary.

Arguably in 24 months the situation on all fronts will be better.

Labour came in just as the economy recovered from the mid 90s nadir in 97 and benefited enormously from it.

24 months of the Tories means unrecoverable shitness for the country. It just means an even bigger task for Labour. It's really not just about the cost of living crisis - they're incapable of governing.

And if the next few months are awful and the Tories are allowed to ride it out for another couple of years, there's definitely a chance that any recovery is spun to the hilt, boosted by the media, and Labour lose the incredible advantage they have right now.

TB63 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:09 pm

Graham Brady wrote:I have spoken to the party chairman, Jake Berry, and he has confirmed that it will be possible to conduct a ballot and conclude a leadership election by Friday the 28th of October.

So we should have a new leader in place before the fiscal statement which will take place on the 31st.

MPs condemn Nadine Dorries for claims Channel 4 faked TV show

Committee says ex-culture secretary’s claim that participants in reality TV show were actors is not credible

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:16 pm

TB63 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:09 pm

FR7137 is a Lisbon to Dublin flight....

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:39 pm She didn't waste any time

dpedin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:54 pm Times says that the Blonde Bumblecunt is going to run for the Tory party leadership! Feck sake ... its like a recurring nightmare now!

sturginho wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:00 pm I'm a fighter not a quitter she said, 24 hours before quitting

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:59 pm Johnson's running!

Guardian wrote:Russia’s foreign ministry has welcomed the departure of Liz Truss as British prime minister, describing her as a “disgrace” of a leader who will be remembered for her “catastrophic illiteracy”.

“Britain has never known such a disgrace of a prime minister,” the Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said in a social media post.

ASMO wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:04 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:59 pm Johnson's running!

That should not be allowed, he was pushed out by his own party for his lack of integrity, morals and outright lying, if they re-elect him it would be the end of them for the foreseeable future. The voters (apart from the dumb fucks who wouldn't vote for any other party even if Satan was running the Tories) will never forgive them for that.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:59 pm Johnson's running!

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:10 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:59 pm Johnson's running!

I'd have thought there will be more than a handful that would cross the floor if that happened

ASMO wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:04 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:59 pm Johnson's running!

That should not be allowed, he was pushed out by his own party for his lack of integrity, morals and outright lying, if they re-elect him it would be the end of them for the foreseeable future. The voters (apart from the dumb fucks who wouldn't vote for any other party even if Satan was running the Tories) will never forgive them for that.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:56 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:39 pm She didn't waste any time

Go for it. She can only toilet the Tories' chances further

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:30 pm However, Johnson's cobra like ability to hypnotise people into thinking he's "Boris" and a good egg is a big election consideration. The Tories like to call themselves the natural party of government, but what they really are is the natural party of winning elections, fucking everything up but winning again. Ask Neil Kinnock about 1992.

_Os_ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:27 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:56 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:39 pm She didn't waste any time

Go for it. She can only toilet the Tories' chances further

It's an odd one, she's their best, but I agree with you. She seems the best from the candidates over the summer (they were all rubbish though), she had the most political ability from what can be observed (PR skills, debating/speaking), and is their best chance of uniting the party. As per my post this morning, I'm not sure it's possible to unite the Tory party now though because it's a Frankenstein that's too broad, which will mean she would fail if she tried that. There's no middle ground between diamond hard Brexit and soft Brexit, or between no renewable energy whilst gifting oil multinationals tax breaks and wanting a large amount of renewables. Which means the purge option has more chance of working, which means Sunak and a very large amount of Tory MPs having the whip withdrawn etc.

If you want them destroyed, then the first hope must be the fascists (Braverman), someone more stupid than Truss and more of a zealot than Truss. The next step in the reverse Darwin process. The next hope after that must be the populists (Johnson). And the next hope after that unity candidates (Mordaunt).

I'm guessing no one on here actually wants a fascist. Quite a few on here wanted Truss because they knew she would be bad, so logically quite a few of you are secretly hoping for Johnson? Or are you getting off the train and going for Sunak and the purge?

_Os_ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:33 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:30 pm However, Johnson's cobra like ability to hypnotise people into thinking he's "Boris" and a good egg is a big election consideration. The Tories like to call themselves the natural party of government, but what they really are is the natural party of winning elections, fucking everything up but winning again. Ask Neil Kinnock about 1992.

So not Braverman, because she's a fascist. Not Johnson because he could somehow win. Which means Mordaunt because whilst being the best of a bad bunch, they're a bad bunch so she'll be destroyed by trying include them all.

Go Mordaunt.

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:10 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:59 pm Johnson's running!

I'd have thought there will be more than a handful that would cross the floor if that happened

He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:51 pm As if they’re giving the members a say again.
If you give a chimp an AK47 and it starts firing it, you don’t blame the chimp.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:42 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:10 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:59 pm Johnson's running!

I'd have thought there will be more than a handful that would cross the floor if that happened

The arrogant dickwad would love nothing more than a "restoration" of course

He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

Brazil wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:57 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:42 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:10 pm
I'd have thought there will be more than a handful that would cross the floor if that happened

The arrogant dickwad would love nothing more than a "restoration" of course

He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

Whilst I know it fits with his self-appointed status as a latter day Cinncinatus, it's hilarious that anyone would even suggest he's ever given the national interest the blindest bit of attention. The feckless fat cunt oversaw the death of 200,000 fellow citizens and assisted in the greatest act of national self harm in living memory just for his own advantage. Anyway, it'll be funny if he runs and the MPs remind him that they hate him and Nut Nuts.