NPR

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:33 pm

charltom wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:15 am Yes, a 60 cap international who was outstanding in the autumn, no less.

I would love to see Ashman given more time but I have great faith in Brown as well as Turner, even if both sometimes make mistakes. They are quality.

Ashman is the coming man for sure but he’s a 22 year old who isn’t first choice at his club (Duhan’s brother is), we have to be realistic. Dropping him into a test match of that intensity might be a bit unfair.

We actually looked like we should be fairly well stocked at hooker over the next few years. Ashman should become a mainstay, Harrison hopefully too and the two U20 hookers look brilliant.

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:13 pm

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:33 pm

charltom wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:15 am Yes, a 60 cap international who was outstanding in the autumn, no less.

I would love to see Ashman given more time but I have great faith in Brown as well as Turner, even if both sometimes make mistakes. They are quality.

Ashman is the coming man for sure but he’s a 22 year old who isn’t first choice at his club (Duhan’s brother is), we have to be realistic. Dropping him into a test match of that intensity might be a bit unfair.

We actually looked like we should be fairly well stocked at hooker over the next few years. Ashman should become a mainstay, Harrison hopefully too and the two U20 hookers look brilliant.

Ashman has started more Premiership matches than van de Merwe the past 12 months. He certainly looks the part and if you're good enough, you're old enough!

Jock42 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:35 pm I don't watch enough of him to comment on form but anytime he's played he's been great. Would be more than happy for him to be in the 23. Looking forward to him moving north too.

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:51 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:35 pm I don't watch enough of him to comment on form but anytime he's played he's been great. Would be more than happy for him to be in the 23. Looking forward to him moving north too.

You'll need to wait a bit. He signed a contract extension at Sale.

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:55 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:50 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:41 pm Ireland looking less unbeatable because of their injuries. Quietly confident.

I think you stand a great chance either way. Your tails are up and you are at home. I wouldn't be relying on injuries though as a good few of those lads were just being managed for a few weeks bar Beirne of course

As suspected all back pretty much for Scotland. Beirne and Belaham goosed

Jock42 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:54 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:51 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:35 pm I don't watch enough of him to comment on form but anytime he's played he's been great. Would be more than happy for him to be in the 23. Looking forward to him moving north too.

You'll need to wait a bit. He signed a contract extension at Sale.

Did he? I thought he'd signed for Edinburgh from next season?

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:21 am

charltom wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:15 am Yes, a 60 cap international who was outstanding in the autumn, no less.

I would love to see Ashman given more time but I have great faith in Brown as well as Turner, even if both sometimes make mistakes. They are quality.

I don’t have faith in Brown. The number of times he’s been at the heart of the fuckups that have haunted us for years is too much for me.

weegie01 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:49 pm Tom Jordan has signed a new and much improved contract which takes him up to being Scottish qualified late Oct 2024.

Dogbert wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:45 pm

weegie01 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:49 pm Tom Jordan has signed a new and much improved contract which takes him up to being Scottish qualified late Oct 2024.

He will have been om sweetie money up until now , and will be substantially cheaper than Ben Healy

Lad's done well though , but Glasgow need Thomson back - looking at the training pictures posted , looks like RT10 is not far off getting some game time

Soapy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:00 pm

Dogbert wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:45 pm

weegie01 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:49 pm Tom Jordan has signed a new and much improved contract which takes him up to being Scottish qualified late Oct 2024.

He will have been om sweetie money up until now , and will be substantially cheaper than Ben Healy

Lad's done well though , but Glasgow need Thomson back - looking at the training pictures posted , looks like RT10 is not far off getting some game time

I don't get it. Thomson has never looked no more than moderately competent to me. Certainly I can't see which other URC team he'd be close to starting at 10. And never an international class player unless you've got Townsend rating Russell as 4th in line. Maybe he'd get a game for the Dragons (or Edinburgh!?!).

Dogbert wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:31 pm

Soapy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:00 pm

Dogbert wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:45 pm

He will have been om sweetie money up until now , and will be substantially cheaper than Ben Healy

Lad's done well though , but Glasgow need Thomson back - looking at the training pictures posted , looks like RT10 is not far off getting some game time

I don't get it. Thomson has never looked no more than moderately competent to me. Certainly I can't see which other URC team he'd be close to starting at 10. And never an international class player unless you've got Townsend rating Russell as 4th in line. Maybe he'd get a game for the Dragons (or Edinburgh!?!).

That will be Thompson who won the Glasgow Player of the year award & young player of the season award in 20121-2022.on;y the 4th Glasgow warrior to break the 100 point in their debut season for the club.

Sure he had a bit of second year syndrome last year - but lets face it , no one covered themselves with glory that season , and this , his third season , he's hardly had any opportunity to show his stuff due to injury

The same Ross Thompson who is so highly rated by Pete Horne , but hey what would he know

SomersetJock wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:13 am So me and the gang had decided upon Dublin for next years 6N.

I assume because its St Patricks day that weekend that the accommodation prices have rocketed.

£300 a night the cheapest Airbnb we can find (and it looks rubbish)

Rome it is then

Dogbert wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:45 pm

weegie01 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:49 pm Tom Jordan has signed a new and much improved contract which takes him up to being Scottish qualified late Oct 2024.

He will have been om sweetie money up until now , and will be substantially cheaper than Ben Healy

Lad's done well though , but Glasgow need Thomson back - looking at the training pictures posted , looks like RT10 is not far off getting some game time

Soapy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:00 pm

Dogbert wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:45 pm

weegie01 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:49 pm Tom Jordan has signed a new and much improved contract which takes him up to being Scottish qualified late Oct 2024.

He will have been om sweetie money up until now , and will be substantially cheaper than Ben Healy

Lad's done well though , but Glasgow need Thomson back - looking at the training pictures posted , looks like RT10 is not far off getting some game time

I don't get it. Thomson has never looked no more than moderately competent to me. Certainly I can't see which other URC team he'd be close to starting at 10. And never an international class player unless you've got Townsend rating Russell as 4th in line. Maybe he'd get a game for the Dragons (or Edinburgh!?!).

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:49 am There is a rumour going around, from a piece in the Rugby Paper, that Lee Blackett is to be the next head coach at Edinburgh

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:01 am I don’t disagree with much of that, but it’s common knowledge that Glasgow’s budget is bigger than Edinburgh’s.
It was due mainly to the number of international players taken from Glasgow.

Dogbert wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:31 pm

Soapy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:00 pm

Dogbert wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:45 pm

He will have been om sweetie money up until now , and will be substantially cheaper than Ben Healy

Lad's done well though , but Glasgow need Thomson back - looking at the training pictures posted , looks like RT10 is not far off getting some game time

I don't get it. Thomson has never looked no more than moderately competent to me. Certainly I can't see which other URC team he'd be close to starting at 10. And never an international class player unless you've got Townsend rating Russell as 4th in line. Maybe he'd get a game for the Dragons (or Edinburgh!?!).

That will be Thompson who won the Glasgow Player of the year award & young player of the season award in 20121-2022.on;y the 4th Glasgow warrior to break the 100 point in their debut season for the club.

Sure he had a bit of second year syndrome last year - but lets face it , no one covered themselves with glory that season , and this , his third season , he's hardly had any opportunity to show his stuff due to injury

The same Ross Thompson who is so highly rated by Pete Horne , but hey what would he know

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:52 am

Dogbert wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:31 pm

Soapy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:00 pm

I don't get it. Thomson has never looked no more than moderately competent to me. Certainly I can't see which other URC team he'd be close to starting at 10. And never an international class player unless you've got Townsend rating Russell as 4th in line. Maybe he'd get a game for the Dragons (or Edinburgh!?!).

That will be Thompson who won the Glasgow Player of the year award & young player of the season award in 20121-2022.on;y the 4th Glasgow warrior to break the 100 point in their debut season for the club.

Sure he had a bit of second year syndrome last year - but lets face it , no one covered themselves with glory that season , and this , his third season , he's hardly had any opportunity to show his stuff due to injury

The same Ross Thompson who is so highly rated by Pete Horne , but hey what would he know

As things stand I have to agree with Soapy really.

Whilst our 10 stocks look pretty decent at the moment I think if you dive a bit deeper we could be in a bit of trouble in a couple of years. It's unfair to expect anyone to be at Finn's standard (no one is doing that) but when he goes it's currently quite a steep decline in standard.

Hastings has stepped up and done brilliantly in the past but we have seen hardly anything of him in a Scotland strip for some time, although he will probably be our number one in 2 years time (I'm arbitrarily putting this as Finn's retirement).

Next off the rank currently is BK who is a magical player who frequently does magical things but still, imo, will never be able to guide a team to wins in tight games consistently from 10. I can't see him becoming Scotland's regular 10, let alone Edinburgh.

Realistically after that we only have Jordan and Thompson.

Thompson looks a very classy player with all the skills to be a very decent 10 but I also haven't seen anything yet that makes me think he will step up to international level and lead a team. The obvious caveat to that is that he is still young and hasn't had many chances recently due to injury. I just kind of think that even by now you would hope to see flashes of him him being that player in the future and I haven't yet. My suspicion is that he will be an really excellent club player who doesn't quite make the step.

I think Jordan has been a revelation this year and Edinburgh obviously value him. He looks to me to have also have the skills and temperament to be an excellent club 10 but, again, guiding an international team seems a bit of a way off. In saying that, out of all of them after Hastings I think he is the most likely.

As I said above, all of them are still really young and, as Biffer pointed out, many other 10's matured later on, but that's how I see it today.

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:06 am

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:52 am

Dogbert wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:31 pm

That will be Thompson who won the Glasgow Player of the year award & young player of the season award in 20121-2022.on;y the 4th Glasgow warrior to break the 100 point in their debut season for the club.

Sure he had a bit of second year syndrome last year - but lets face it , no one covered themselves with glory that season , and this , his third season , he's hardly had any opportunity to show his stuff due to injury

The same Ross Thompson who is so highly rated by Pete Horne , but hey what would he know

As things stand I have to agree with Soapy really.

Whilst our 10 stocks look pretty decent at the moment I think if you dive a bit deeper we could be in a bit of trouble in a couple of years. It's unfair to expect anyone to be at Finn's standard (no one is doing that) but when he goes it's currently quite a steep decline in standard.

Hastings has stepped up and done brilliantly in the past but we have seen hardly anything of him in a Scotland strip for some time, although he will probably be our number one in 2 years time (I'm arbitrarily putting this as Finn's retirement).

Next off the rank currently is BK who is a magical player who frequently does magical things but still, imo, will never be able to guide a team to wins in tight games consistently from 10. I can't see him becoming Scotland's regular 10, let alone Edinburgh.

Realistically after that we only have Jordan and Thompson.

Thompson looks a very classy player with all the skills to be a very decent 10 but I also haven't seen anything yet that makes me think he will step up to international level and lead a team. The obvious caveat to that is that he is still young and hasn't had many chances recently due to injury. I just kind of think that even by now you would hope to see flashes of him him being that player in the future and I haven't yet. My suspicion is that he will be an really excellent club player who doesn't quite make the step.

I think Jordan has been a revelation this year and Edinburgh obviously value him. He looks to me to have also have the skills and temperament to be an excellent club 10 but, again, guiding an international team seems a bit of a way off. In saying that, out of all of them after Hastings I think he is the most likely.

As I said above, all of them are still really young and, as Biffer pointed out, many other 10's matured later on, but that's how I see it today.

Hastings has had a rough time with injury to be fair. Hastings has years ahead of him yet and Healy will be 24 by the time he pulls on a Scottish teams shirt so he has plenty time too.

There is time yet and players will develop. The key thing is we can't expect them to be Finn but they can become competent international 10s.

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:21 am

charltom wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:15 am Yes, a 60 cap international who was outstanding in the autumn, no less.

I would love to see Ashman given more time but I have great faith in Brown as well as Turner, even if both sometimes make mistakes. They are quality.

I don’t have faith in Brown. The number of times he’s been at the heart of the fuckups that have haunted us for years is too much for me.

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:17 am

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:06 am

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:52 am

As things stand I have to agree with Soapy really.

Whilst our 10 stocks look pretty decent at the moment I think if you dive a bit deeper we could be in a bit of trouble in a couple of years. It's unfair to expect anyone to be at Finn's standard (no one is doing that) but when he goes it's currently quite a steep decline in standard.

Hastings has stepped up and done brilliantly in the past but we have seen hardly anything of him in a Scotland strip for some time, although he will probably be our number one in 2 years time (I'm arbitrarily putting this as Finn's retirement).

Next off the rank currently is BK who is a magical player who frequently does magical things but still, imo, will never be able to guide a team to wins in tight games consistently from 10. I can't see him becoming Scotland's regular 10, let alone Edinburgh.

Realistically after that we only have Jordan and Thompson.

Thompson looks a very classy player with all the skills to be a very decent 10 but I also haven't seen anything yet that makes me think he will step up to international level and lead a team. The obvious caveat to that is that he is still young and hasn't had many chances recently due to injury. I just kind of think that even by now you would hope to see flashes of him him being that player in the future and I haven't yet. My suspicion is that he will be an really excellent club player who doesn't quite make the step.

I think Jordan has been a revelation this year and Edinburgh obviously value him. He looks to me to have also have the skills and temperament to be an excellent club 10 but, again, guiding an international team seems a bit of a way off. In saying that, out of all of them after Hastings I think he is the most likely.

As I said above, all of them are still really young and, as Biffer pointed out, many other 10's matured later on, but that's how I see it today.

Hastings has had a rough time with injury to be fair. Hastings has years ahead of him yet and Healy will be 24 by the time he pulls on a Scottish teams shirt so he has plenty time too.

There is time yet and players will develop. The key thing is we can't expect them to be Finn but they can become competent international 10s.

Yeah, this is the important bit.

I guess there is also a bit of fear that Finn, and only Finn, can get the team going like they are currently and we will probably be back to a few lean years whoever steps up.

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:24 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:21 am

charltom wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:15 am Yes, a 60 cap international who was outstanding in the autumn, no less.

I would love to see Ashman given more time but I have great faith in Brown as well as Turner, even if both sometimes make mistakes. They are quality.

I don’t have faith in Brown. The number of times he’s been at the heart of the fuckups that have haunted us for years is too much for me.

This is the issue I have too. He’s unquestionably a great player, and has played well for Scotland many times. But he has fucked up at crucial moments too often for me to ever be confident in him. He feels like a throwback to the bad old days when any Scotland game was a series of cheap points given away, unforced errors and dropped passes. The team as a whole now has confidence, but Brown still doesn’t appear to.

Maybe we didn’t lose in Paris due to one dodgy lineout throw, but it damn well felt like it. The momentum shift from it was enormous. Scotland had just weathered the storm in our 22, secured the penalty, kicked to half way and their tails were up. One crap throw later, France have the ball back and we’re back in our own half defending again. Sure, maybe we still wouldn’t have won the game, but for me the tide turned on that throw. The most important lineout to secure since the one in the QF v Australia, and more or less the same outcome. (Edit: I had to go back and check, but Brown was the hooker then too).

dkm57 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:12 am Even deeper /younger Simpson at U20 is looking good at 10. Also liking the look of Afshar at 9 and King at 15

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:49 am There is a rumour going around, from a piece in the Rugby Paper, that Lee Blackett is to be the next head coach at Edinburgh

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:24 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:21 am

charltom wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:15 am Yes, a 60 cap international who was outstanding in the autumn, no less.

I would love to see Ashman given more time but I have great faith in Brown as well as Turner, even if both sometimes make mistakes. They are quality.

I don’t have faith in Brown. The number of times he’s been at the heart of the fuckups that have haunted us for years is too much for me.

This is the issue I have too. He’s unquestionably a great player, and has played well for Scotland many times. But he has fucked up at crucial moments too often for me to ever be confident in him. He feels like a throwback to the bad old days when any Scotland game was a series of cheap points given away, unforced errors and dropped passes. The team as a whole now has confidence, but Brown still doesn’t appear to.

Maybe we didn’t lose in Paris due to one dodgy lineout throw, but it damn well felt like it. The momentum shift from it was enormous. Scotland had just weathered the storm in our 22, secured the penalty, kicked to half way and their tails were up. One crap throw later, France have the ball back and we’re back in our own half defending again. Sure, maybe we still wouldn’t have won the game, but for me the tide turned on that throw. The most important lineout to secure since the one in the QF v Australia, and more or less the same outcome. (Edit: I had to go back and check, but Brown was the hooker then too).

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:48 am

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:24 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:21 am

I don’t have faith in Brown. The number of times he’s been at the heart of the fuckups that have haunted us for years is too much for me.

This is the issue I have too. He’s unquestionably a great player, and has played well for Scotland many times. But he has fucked up at crucial moments too often for me to ever be confident in him. He feels like a throwback to the bad old days when any Scotland game was a series of cheap points given away, unforced errors and dropped passes. The team as a whole now has confidence, but Brown still doesn’t appear to.

Maybe we didn’t lose in Paris due to one dodgy lineout throw, but it damn well felt like it. The momentum shift from it was enormous. Scotland had just weathered the storm in our 22, secured the penalty, kicked to half way and their tails were up. One crap throw later, France have the ball back and we’re back in our own half defending again. Sure, maybe we still wouldn’t have won the game, but for me the tide turned on that throw. The most important lineout to secure since the one in the QF v Australia, and more or less the same outcome. (Edit: I had to go back and check, but Brown was the hooker then too).

We had five minutes, needing a try, with momentum, on the halfway line and an individual error put us in an immediately bad position.

Would we have won the game if Brown made that throw? Probably not. But, hookers have to make pressure throws I'm afraid.

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 4:30 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:48 am

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:24 am

This is the issue I have too. He’s unquestionably a great player, and has played well for Scotland many times. But he has fucked up at crucial moments too often for me to ever be confident in him. He feels like a throwback to the bad old days when any Scotland game was a series of cheap points given away, unforced errors and dropped passes. The team as a whole now has confidence, but Brown still doesn’t appear to.

Maybe we didn’t lose in Paris due to one dodgy lineout throw, but it damn well felt like it. The momentum shift from it was enormous. Scotland had just weathered the storm in our 22, secured the penalty, kicked to half way and their tails were up. One crap throw later, France have the ball back and we’re back in our own half defending again. Sure, maybe we still wouldn’t have won the game, but for me the tide turned on that throw. The most important lineout to secure since the one in the QF v Australia, and more or less the same outcome. (Edit: I had to go back and check, but Brown was the hooker then too).

We had five minutes, needing a try, with momentum, on the halfway line and an individual error put us in an immediately bad position.

Would we have won the game if Brown made that throw? Probably not. But, hookers have to make pressure throws I'm afraid.

Just wait till we lose the 6N on points difference when a losing BP would have won it

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 4:30 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:48 am

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:24 am

This is the issue I have too. He’s unquestionably a great player, and has played well for Scotland many times. But he has fucked up at crucial moments too often for me to ever be confident in him. He feels like a throwback to the bad old days when any Scotland game was a series of cheap points given away, unforced errors and dropped passes. The team as a whole now has confidence, but Brown still doesn’t appear to.

Maybe we didn’t lose in Paris due to one dodgy lineout throw, but it damn well felt like it. The momentum shift from it was enormous. Scotland had just weathered the storm in our 22, secured the penalty, kicked to half way and their tails were up. One crap throw later, France have the ball back and we’re back in our own half defending again. Sure, maybe we still wouldn’t have won the game, but for me the tide turned on that throw. The most important lineout to secure since the one in the QF v Australia, and more or less the same outcome. (Edit: I had to go back and check, but Brown was the hooker then too).

We had five minutes, needing a try, with momentum, on the halfway line and an individual error put us in an immediately bad position.

Would we have won the game if Brown made that throw? Probably not. But, hookers have to make pressure throws I'm afraid.

Just wait till we lose the 6N on points difference when a losing BP would have won it

charltom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 4:51 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 4:30 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:48 am

We had five minutes, needing a try, with momentum, on the halfway line and an individual error put us in an immediately bad position.

Would we have won the game if Brown made that throw? Probably not. But, hookers have to make pressure throws I'm afraid.

Just wait till we lose the 6N on points difference when a losing BP would have won it

The points difference will of course all be down to James Lowe's dodgy try.