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Ref bashing is ugly Boet. You are better then this specially after a loss.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:05 pm Brace is a clown.
How many yellows has Russell got for deliberate knock ons now?
Both sides were p*ss poor with man or more advantages. Racing because they were just negative and Quins with some clumsy execution. Ironic that Quins played their best rugby when down a man.
I had forgotten Aaron Morris was a thing until today. Not helping my rage.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:16 pm- Restartssockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:14 pm You have to try and be good enough to take officiating out of the equation and restarts are an area where Quins were really bad, but some of Brace's poor decisions directly gave points to Racing.
- Aaron Morris
- A few lineout flakes
- Some very poor defensive reads
But still the best we've played for a while. Probably no surprise it happens with Smith back at 10 and Evans back at 7.
He's not a Harlequins supporter.OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:18 pmRef bashing is ugly Boet. You are better then this specially after a loss.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:05 pm Brace is a clown.
How many yellows has Russell got for deliberate knock ons now?
Hilariously Stephen Jones drops him from the England squad for Charlie Atkinson in today's Times.
Whaaaaaaaaat? How is that even a discussion point? Flaaaaaake committed enough howlers that any single one would have drawn criticism were it any other FH.
Nope. There's no strip - Imhoff fumbles in contact. Murley's on his arms, not the ball, and that's what forces the loss of possession. At all times the ball is actually past Murley's elbow, he never touches it directly (it gets fumbled against his body)
I disagree. Murley's right arm clearly goes up and away from Imhoff and it looks to me a stripping action, especially as the ball pops forward immediately he does it.
The rear view shows it really clearly. Murley's right arm never makes contact with the ball and his hand is nowhere near it. Imhoff just loses it because of Murley going for his arms. You're talking about "it looks like a stripping action", I'm talking about literally being able to see the ball and the arm in question thanks to a better angle.weegie01 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:28 pmI disagree. Murley's right arm clearly goes up and away from Imhoff and it looks to me a stripping action, especially as the ball pops forward immediately he does it.
Either way, with the benefit of replays we disagree on what happened, so even if he was wrong, it was not a daft call from the AR.
Morris if he had had the ball in the correct arm could have fallen over the tryline and scored. 
although it seemed to me he was committed to the tackle whilst the R92 was on the ground he then jumped ??It is possible to wildly overstate the extent to which I wanted Quins to winOomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:18 pmRef bashing is ugly Boet. You are better then this specially after a loss.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:05 pm Brace is a clown.
How many yellows has Russell got for deliberate knock ons now?
Who are you?
Felon? You mean Steffon?Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 6:59 pm Back from Stormers v LI, loved it. Brentford may only be a 20k seater stadium, but it’s very nice. Easy in and out, large seats so you’re not rubbing elbows with everyone - handy cos I sat next to Delon Armitage and he’s still a big guy. Despite the cold, the Irish fans were in fine voice.
The Stormers lost their way completely when Libbok went off. Willemse makes stupid decisions - usually involving a poor kick at a time when we should keep possession and Dan Du Plessis is a greedy crowbar. No wonder the backs score fuck-all points in the last 30 minutes.
I know that. He’s still a big guy compared to a keyboard warrior like me.
Was having a discussion a few weeks ago on the other bored where we were arguing the finer differences between a head contact tackle where the tackler drives into it (red card) or where it is more of a soak tackle (Yellow card). My argument was that while there is a difference in the force, that difference isn't enough to reduce the level of danger a significant amount (kind of a would you rather get shot in the chest or the leg type situation). So it should be a red card either way. I was met with exasperation and asked if I wanted to do away with tackling all together.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 6:31 pm Watching the highlights/Rugby Tonight and just saw the interview with Stormers' coach where he said, quite frankly, that he feels coaches probably aren't doing enough on the training pitch to get players to change their tackle behaviour. That they talk about it with players a lot, but maybe aren't actually doing enough. He went on to say that it's something they need to address more because keeping 15 players on the field is important.
Fair play to him for the honesty.
I also quite like how over the last couple of weeks some of the BT framing of the discussion has been asking why these tackles are still occurring? Slowly, ever so slowly, we might be getting to a point where people actually involved in the game start pointint the finger in the right direction and put some heat on those not making the necessary adjustments.
Yep - players just aren't learning quickly enough. It's very annoying because it ruins so many games. Hopefully the newer players, coming into the game, will have it more ingrained into their technique.PornDog wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 9:44 pmWas having a discussion a few weeks ago on the other bored where we were arguing the finer differences between a head contact tackle where the tackler drives into it (red card) or where it is more of a soak tackle (Yellow card). My argument was that while there is a difference in the force, that difference isn't enough to reduce the level of danger a significant amount (kind of a would you rather get shot in the chest or the leg type situation). So it should be a red card either way. I was met with exasperation and asked if I wanted to do away with tackling all together.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 6:31 pm Watching the highlights/Rugby Tonight and just saw the interview with Stormers' coach where he said, quite frankly, that he feels coaches probably aren't doing enough on the training pitch to get players to change their tackle behaviour. That they talk about it with players a lot, but maybe aren't actually doing enough. He went on to say that it's something they need to address more because keeping 15 players on the field is important.
Fair play to him for the honesty.
I also quite like how over the last couple of weeks some of the BT framing of the discussion has been asking why these tackles are still occurring? Slowly, ever so slowly, we might be getting to a point where people actually involved in the game start pointint the finger in the right direction and put some heat on those not making the necessary adjustments.
We've gotten to the point where these high contact tackles are so ubiquitous that people dont' actually understand that there is another way to tackle. When was the last time anyone had to look at a Van der Flier or Dan Lydiate tackle to review its legality, yet nobody in a million years would ever consider either of them poor defenders. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples of players that are great defenders that actually tackle properly.
Leading with the shoulder also happens several times in every game and drives me fucking nuts. Head contact or no, if you lead with the shoulder with force then the starting point should be a red card.
It might take awhile; I mean for me the problem starts with the desire to stop the tackled player getting in an offload, & the only way to do that is an upright tackle.
On BT O'Driscoll was explaining (and demonstrating) why this is not true and a correct chop tackle stops offloads just as effectively.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:34 pmIt might take awhile; I mean for me the problem starts with the desire to stop the tackled player getting in an offload, & the only way to do that is an upright tackle.
It must be at least a decade of defense coaches stressing this tactic; so reversing this, & getting players to trust their defense isn't going to be quick.
You don't even have to go that low, smacking someone at the base of their ribs gets you low enough that you've a significant margin for error if the player you're tackling dips or you've misjudged, but is also high enough that getting their arms clear for an offload is hardly straightforward.weegie01 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:06 pmOn BT O'Driscoll was explaining (and demonstrating) why this is not true and a correct chop tackle stops offloads just as effectively.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:34 pmIt might take awhile; I mean for me the problem starts with the desire to stop the tackled player getting in an offload, & the only way to do that is an upright tackle.
It must be at least a decade of defense coaches stressing this tactic; so reversing this, & getting players to trust their defense isn't going to be quick.
The mitigations added to the framework are a load of shite. Should be done away with.The idea behind them was well-intentioned, but they're terribly utilised and have had a detrimental impact on the consistency of decisions.PornDog wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 9:44 pmWas having a discussion a few weeks ago on the other bored where we were arguing the finer differences between a head contact tackle where the tackler drives into it (red card) or where it is more of a soak tackle (Yellow card). My argument was that while there is a difference in the force, that difference isn't enough to reduce the level of danger a significant amount (kind of a would you rather get shot in the chest or the leg type situation). So it should be a red card either way. I was met with exasperation and asked if I wanted to do away with tackling all together.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 6:31 pm Watching the highlights/Rugby Tonight and just saw the interview with Stormers' coach where he said, quite frankly, that he feels coaches probably aren't doing enough on the training pitch to get players to change their tackle behaviour. That they talk about it with players a lot, but maybe aren't actually doing enough. He went on to say that it's something they need to address more because keeping 15 players on the field is important.
Fair play to him for the honesty.
I also quite like how over the last couple of weeks some of the BT framing of the discussion has been asking why these tackles are still occurring? Slowly, ever so slowly, we might be getting to a point where people actually involved in the game start pointint the finger in the right direction and put some heat on those not making the necessary adjustments.
We've gotten to the point where these high contact tackles are so ubiquitous that people dont' actually understand that there is another way to tackle. When was the last time anyone had to look at a Van der Flier or Dan Lydiate tackle to review its legality, yet nobody in a million years would ever consider either of them poor defenders. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples of players that are great defenders that actually tackle properly.
Leading with the shoulder also happens several times in every game and drives me fucking nuts. Head contact or no, if you lead with the shoulder with force then the starting point should be a red card.
Let's be honest. The quality of the sides in the challenge cup is seriously sub par. This is when I can say that I miss Superrugby.OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:23 am South Africa's team debuting well in the Heineken Cup. The Bulls the only team that may struggle playing Lyon away this weekend. Sharks and Stormers heading for home games in the round of 16.
Lions and Cheetahs not so good in the Challenge Cup.
After the round of 16, all games are in Europe. I think we could struggle if we make it that far.OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:23 am South Africa's team debuting well in the Heineken Cup. The Bulls the only team that may struggle playing Lyon away this weekend. Sharks and Stormers heading for home games in the round of 16.
Lions and Cheetahs not so good in the Challenge Cup.
Whatever it's processed as. No quality whatsoever. This is a case of quantity over quality. You hated soup because Stormers got groot pakslaae from the Kiwis. Now you found an inferior comp where you can win something you are happy. It's like the seniors winning a junior comp. What it does do is spread the team over 2 comps. Hardly ideal.OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:38 am Sards Do you watched the Challenge Cup? Cheetahs and Lions play in it.
Soup is a dead horse. It killed our rugby.
The HC format is just as shite as what Soup is.
At least there are close games like Quins vs Racing but then you only watch the Sharks games.
The HC have 3 games at the same time, so it's a much better product and at least there are crowds and supporters with true rugby culture Something a trolley like you will never appreciate.
