NPR

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:33 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:11 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:30 am Could we not instead of building a coal station, build nuclear or more renewables?

We are building nuclear, just veeeery slowly. And possibly badly. And in hock to the French, at least for the larger reactors.

My ex-next-door-neighbour in Bath was Engineering Director for the new reactors at Hinckley Point C, on the limited times we talked shop is sounded like dates were forever moving to the right.

Rolls-Royce are looking to branch into small-scale nuclear power (noting the market for jet engines, which is quite feast-or-famine anyway, is looking a bit barren). This makes some sense, seeing as they've developed the PWR reactors for the RN nuclear boats. These small scale generators aren't due until 2029 on current plans.

https://www.rolls-royce-smr.com/

My mate who used to work at RR tells me this is timeline is never going to happen and his view is that it will be at least another 5+ years after that before they begin to make any discernible impact to the national power requirements. However the Gov funding for this helps cross subsidise RR investment in their defence work for the. MoD.

The only thing we can do in the immediate term is to increase generation capacity using wind/tidal/renewable power and reduce demand with a concerted national effort to reduce consumption ie insulation, ensure new build is energy efficient, reduce wastage as per many EU countries are doing, push for more off peak utilisation, etc. Investment in renewables ie onshore wind farms, is quick and relatively inexpensive and England and Wales have huge capacity to do more if the politics, right wing oil and gas opposition and Nimbyism weren't issues. This could make a sizeable contribution to national requirements relatively quickly and way more cheaply than nuclear etc.

For me it is more essential in the short-medium term to see greater investment and R&D on energy storage technology such as batteries, hydro schemes, etc at a domestic, local and national level. In Scotland we have a surplus of energy, we export c30% to England, but until tidal becomes more commercially viable it can be difficult to ensure baseload requirements in Scotland.

However as long as we have a Tory gov in the back pockets of the oil and gas industries, dependant on their funding and who want to protect oil and gas profits rather than worrying about the country then we are fecked!

GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:39 pm

petej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:34 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:43 am

There is so much disinformation about that I really don't know what to think about this. I thought that one really good reason for it was that we import all our coal so this would be environmentally and economically better. But now I see we are exporting a load of it, but I've also seen people saying this in nonsense.

I struggle to get worked up about it as well. If we need fossil fuels it might as well be from our own resources and where the regulations are tighter on things like methane and we arent giving money to dictatorships. What annoys me is the god awful mess these pricks have got us in due to the absence of medium term planning. I had initially assumed this coal was primarily for steel production. I've not bothered to keep up to date with it though.

It always gets described as being for steel production, at least on BBC regional news. The world is going to carry on making steel, new turbines don’t grow on trees and we might as well have a slice of the action. Doesn’t affect the rights and wrongs of it but I wonder if any tax-payer money is going into it.

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:41 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:33 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:11 pm

We are building nuclear, just veeeery slowly. And possibly badly. And in hock to the French, at least for the larger reactors.

My ex-next-door-neighbour in Bath was Engineering Director for the new reactors at Hinckley Point C, on the limited times we talked shop is sounded like dates were forever moving to the right.

Rolls-Royce are looking to branch into small-scale nuclear power (noting the market for jet engines, which is quite feast-or-famine anyway, is looking a bit barren). This makes some sense, seeing as they've developed the PWR reactors for the RN nuclear boats. These small scale generators aren't due until 2029 on current plans.

https://www.rolls-royce-smr.com/

My mate who used to work at RR tells me this is timeline is never going to happen and his view is that it will be at least another 5+ years after that before they begin to make any discernible impact to the national power requirements. However the Gov funding for this helps cross subsidise RR investment in their defence work for the. MoD.

The only thing we can do in the immediate term is to increase generation capacity using wind/tidal/renewable power and reduce demand with a concerted national effort to reduce consumption ie insulation, ensure new build is energy efficient, reduce wastage as per many EU countries are doing, push for more off peak utilisation, etc. Investment in renewables ie onshore wind farms, is quick and relatively inexpensive and England and Wales have huge capacity to do more if the politics, right wing oil and gas opposition and Nimbyism weren't issues. This could make a sizeable contribution to national requirements relatively quickly and way more cheaply than nuclear etc.

For me it is more essential in the short-medium term to see greater investment and R&D on energy storage technology such as batteries, hydro schemes, etc at a domestic, local and national level. In Scotland we have a surplus of energy, we export c30% to England, but until tidal becomes more commercially viable it can be difficult to ensure baseload requirements in Scotland.

However as long as we have a Tory gov in the back pockets of the oil and gas industries, dependant on their funding and who want to protect oil and gas profits rather than worrying about the country then we are fecked!

I gather the pilot for the RR small scale reactor was supposed to be Grangemouth, but the SNP have kyboshed due to opposition to nuclear. I mention the SNP just to give some balance to the dirty tories angle.

There are existing schemes to help with insulation etc, but I agree completely that this does need to be more concerted - a friend if mine if Fife on UC has had his loft, radiators, doors and boiler replaced for free, but his next door neighbour who is not on UC can't afford to do similar. I'm very happy my mate and his young family have a warm house this winter, but it doesn't make colossal broader sense to make his house energy gold-standard whilst his neighbours have leaking windows.

TB63 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:11 pm Why the government hasn't pushed for all new build to have PV on every suitable roof is beyond me.. Just been on a job where the roof has been tiled with PV slate effect roofing, until your up close, you can't tell the difference between slate and the PVs..

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:41 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:33 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:11 pm

We are building nuclear, just veeeery slowly. And possibly badly. And in hock to the French, at least for the larger reactors.

My ex-next-door-neighbour in Bath was Engineering Director for the new reactors at Hinckley Point C, on the limited times we talked shop is sounded like dates were forever moving to the right.

Rolls-Royce are looking to branch into small-scale nuclear power (noting the market for jet engines, which is quite feast-or-famine anyway, is looking a bit barren). This makes some sense, seeing as they've developed the PWR reactors for the RN nuclear boats. These small scale generators aren't due until 2029 on current plans.

https://www.rolls-royce-smr.com/

My mate who used to work at RR tells me this is timeline is never going to happen and his view is that it will be at least another 5+ years after that before they begin to make any discernible impact to the national power requirements. However the Gov funding for this helps cross subsidise RR investment in their defence work for the. MoD.

The only thing we can do in the immediate term is to increase generation capacity using wind/tidal/renewable power and reduce demand with a concerted national effort to reduce consumption ie insulation, ensure new build is energy efficient, reduce wastage as per many EU countries are doing, push for more off peak utilisation, etc. Investment in renewables ie onshore wind farms, is quick and relatively inexpensive and England and Wales have huge capacity to do more if the politics, right wing oil and gas opposition and Nimbyism weren't issues. This could make a sizeable contribution to national requirements relatively quickly and way more cheaply than nuclear etc.

For me it is more essential in the short-medium term to see greater investment and R&D on energy storage technology such as batteries, hydro schemes, etc at a domestic, local and national level. In Scotland we have a surplus of energy, we export c30% to England, but until tidal becomes more commercially viable it can be difficult to ensure baseload requirements in Scotland.

However as long as we have a Tory gov in the back pockets of the oil and gas industries, dependant on their funding and who want to protect oil and gas profits rather than worrying about the country then we are fecked!

I gather the pilot for the RR small scale reactor was supposed to be Grangemouth, but the SNP have kyboshed due to opposition to nuclear. I mention the SNP just to give some balance to the dirty tories angle.

There are existing schemes to help with insulation etc, but I agree completely that this does need to be more concerted - a friend if mine if Fife on UC has had his loft, radiators, doors and boiler replaced for free, but his next door neighbour who is not on UC can't afford to do similar. I'm very happy my mate and his young family have a warm house this winter, but it doesn't make colossal broader sense to make his house energy gold-standard whilst his neighbours have leaking windows.

TB63 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:11 pm Why the government hasn't pushed for all new build to have PV on every suitable roof is beyond me.. Just been on a job where the roof has been tiled with PV slate effect roofing, until your up close, you can't tell the difference between slate and the PVs..

petej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:15 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:41 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:33 pm

My mate who used to work at RR tells me this is timeline is never going to happen and his view is that it will be at least another 5+ years after that before they begin to make any discernible impact to the national power requirements. However the Gov funding for this helps cross subsidise RR investment in their defence work for the. MoD.

The only thing we can do in the immediate term is to increase generation capacity using wind/tidal/renewable power and reduce demand with a concerted national effort to reduce consumption ie insulation, ensure new build is energy efficient, reduce wastage as per many EU countries are doing, push for more off peak utilisation, etc. Investment in renewables ie onshore wind farms, is quick and relatively inexpensive and England and Wales have huge capacity to do more if the politics, right wing oil and gas opposition and Nimbyism weren't issues. This could make a sizeable contribution to national requirements relatively quickly and way more cheaply than nuclear etc.

For me it is more essential in the short-medium term to see greater investment and R&D on energy storage technology such as batteries, hydro schemes, etc at a domestic, local and national level. In Scotland we have a surplus of energy, we export c30% to England, but until tidal becomes more commercially viable it can be difficult to ensure baseload requirements in Scotland.

However as long as we have a Tory gov in the back pockets of the oil and gas industries, dependant on their funding and who want to protect oil and gas profits rather than worrying about the country then we are fecked!

I gather the pilot for the RR small scale reactor was supposed to be Grangemouth, but the SNP have kyboshed due to opposition to nuclear. I mention the SNP just to give some balance to the dirty tories angle.

There are existing schemes to help with insulation etc, but I agree completely that this does need to be more concerted - a friend if mine if Fife on UC has had his loft, radiators, doors and boiler replaced for free, but his next door neighbour who is not on UC can't afford to do similar. I'm very happy my mate and his young family have a warm house this winter, but it doesn't make colossal broader sense to make his house energy gold-standard whilst his neighbours have leaking windows.

This isn't an old nuclear site and so would be an unlikely choice for a SMR pilot. I had assumed wylfa or Sellafield for a pilot.

petej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:16 pm

TB63 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:11 pm Why the government hasn't pushed for all new build to have PV on every suitable roof is beyond me.. Just been on a job where the roof has been tiled with PV slate effect roofing, until your up close, you can't tell the difference between slate and the PVs..

Yep. Also no new build should have a gas boiler.

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:27 pm

TB63 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:11 pm Why the government hasn't pushed for all new build to have PV on every suitable roof is beyond me.. Just been on a job where the roof has been tiled with PV slate effect roofing, until your up close, you can't tell the difference between slate and the PVs..

Cost, presumably, although only over the relatively shorter term.

We might need a bit of our roof re-doing and I'm very keen on the new PV slate effect - although we're a bit sheltered by a church and trees we should get some incident light. The only stumbling block is cost, which would have been defrayed if it had been an original fit.

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:11 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:41 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:33 pm

My mate who used to work at RR tells me this is timeline is never going to happen and his view is that it will be at least another 5+ years after that before they begin to make any discernible impact to the national power requirements. However the Gov funding for this helps cross subsidise RR investment in their defence work for the. MoD.

The only thing we can do in the immediate term is to increase generation capacity using wind/tidal/renewable power and reduce demand with a concerted national effort to reduce consumption ie insulation, ensure new build is energy efficient, reduce wastage as per many EU countries are doing, push for more off peak utilisation, etc. Investment in renewables ie onshore wind farms, is quick and relatively inexpensive and England and Wales have huge capacity to do more if the politics, right wing oil and gas opposition and Nimbyism weren't issues. This could make a sizeable contribution to national requirements relatively quickly and way more cheaply than nuclear etc.

For me it is more essential in the short-medium term to see greater investment and R&D on energy storage technology such as batteries, hydro schemes, etc at a domestic, local and national level. In Scotland we have a surplus of energy, we export c30% to England, but until tidal becomes more commercially viable it can be difficult to ensure baseload requirements in Scotland.

However as long as we have a Tory gov in the back pockets of the oil and gas industries, dependant on their funding and who want to protect oil and gas profits rather than worrying about the country then we are fecked!

I gather the pilot for the RR small scale reactor was supposed to be Grangemouth, but the SNP have kyboshed due to opposition to nuclear. I mention the SNP just to give some balance to the dirty tories angle.

There are existing schemes to help with insulation etc, but I agree completely that this does need to be more concerted - a friend if mine if Fife on UC has had his loft, radiators, doors and boiler replaced for free, but his next door neighbour who is not on UC can't afford to do similar. I'm very happy my mate and his young family have a warm house this winter, but it doesn't make colossal broader sense to make his house energy gold-standard whilst his neighbours have leaking windows.

Agree - David Cameron and his 'Green Crap Policies' stance doesn't seem so clever now! Insulating existing and building more energy efficient homes over the last 10 years would have been a lot cheaper than the current subsidy schemes we have now plus it would have created more jobs and targeted those most in need. Still at least the oil and cash sector are doing well.....

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:44 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:27 pm

TB63 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:11 pm Why the government hasn't pushed for all new build to have PV on every suitable roof is beyond me.. Just been on a job where the roof has been tiled with PV slate effect roofing, until your up close, you can't tell the difference between slate and the PVs..

Cost, presumably, although only over the relatively shorter term.

We might need a bit of our roof re-doing and I'm very keen on the new PV slate effect - although we're a bit sheltered by a church and trees we should get some incident light. The only stumbling block is cost, which would have been defrayed if it had been an original fit.

Nah, it’s ideology. The same part of the party that went on about green crap, and now writes off environmentalism as woke socialist nonsense. They’d be hugely against it and kick up a massive stink, while getting slipped a bit of cash by the home builders.

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:18 pm

petej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:15 pm
This isn't an old nuclear site and so would be an unlikely choice for a SMR pilot. I had assumed wylfa or Sellafield for a pilot.

The design intent is that the reactor is factory-built and not built in-situ, so there's a greater freedom of location - although security, safety etc remain concerns.

Ironically, the plan was for the reactor to power an oil refinery

petej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:48 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:18 pm

petej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:15 pm
This isn't an old nuclear site and so would be an unlikely choice for a SMR pilot. I had assumed wylfa or Sellafield for a pilot.

The design intent is that the reactor is factory-built and not built in-situ, so there's a greater freedom of location - although security, safety etc remain concerns.

Ironically, the plan was for the reactor to power an oil refinery

I know but for a pilot you aren't going to put it in the middle of an industrial site you're going to put it on an existing licence site. Unless you want to give yourself a shitload of grief and hassle.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:31 pm

petej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:48 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:18 pm

The design intent is that the reactor is factory-built and not built in-situ, so there's a greater freedom of location - although security, safety etc remain concerns.

Ironically, the plan was for the reactor to power an oil refinery

I know but for a pilot you aren't going to put it in the middle of an industrial site you're going to put it on an existing licence site. Unless you want to give yourself a shitload of grief and hassle.

The approval process for nuclear facilities is, rightfully, excruciatingly detailed.

Maybe after an extended pilot installation, some of the planning criteria can be waived for SMR, but until then, it makes sense to use an existing site.

I assume the UK is in the same situation as the US, in that there's no long term plan for waste storage ?, so wherever the SMR is built, will have to store a lot of the waste generated, on that site, after decommissioning, for potentially hundreds of years.

petej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:37 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:31 pm

petej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:48 pm
I know but for a pilot you aren't going to put it in the middle of an industrial site you're going to put it on an existing licence site. Unless you want to give yourself a shitload of grief and hassle.

The approval process for nuclear facilities is, rightfully, excruciatingly detailed.

Maybe after an extended pilot installation, some of the planning criteria can be waived for SMR, but until then, it makes sense to use an existing site.

I assume the UK is in the same situation as the US, in that there's no long term plan for waste storage ?, so wherever the SMR is built, will have to store a lot of the waste generated, on that site, after decommissioning, for potentially hundreds of years.

Deep storage somewhere (i think under Cumbria).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/geological-disposal
https://www.imeche.org/news/news-articl ... -millennia

petej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:48 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:18 pm

petej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:15 pm
This isn't an old nuclear site and so would be an unlikely choice for a SMR pilot. I had assumed wylfa or Sellafield for a pilot.

The design intent is that the reactor is factory-built and not built in-situ, so there's a greater freedom of location - although security, safety etc remain concerns.

Ironically, the plan was for the reactor to power an oil refinery

I know but for a pilot you aren't going to put it in the middle of an industrial site you're going to put it on an existing licence site. Unless you want to give yourself a shitload of grief and hassle.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:53 pm

petej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:37 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:31 pm

The approval process for nuclear facilities is, rightfully, excruciatingly detailed.

Maybe after an extended pilot installation, some of the planning criteria can be waived for SMR, but until then, it makes sense to use an existing site.

I assume the UK is in the same situation as the US, in that there's no long term plan for waste storage ?, so wherever the SMR is built, will have to store a lot of the waste generated, on that site, after decommissioning, for potentially hundreds of years.

Deep storage somewhere (i think under Cumbria).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/geological-disposal
https://www.imeche.org/news/news-articl ... -millennia

So not even as close to a resolution as the US with Yucca mountain; & with the State of the Tories, you'll be lucky to have started digging the big hole in the ground in the next fifty years !

Last time I checked, the UK hasn't started decommissioning any of it's retired nuclear submarines, & they're still tided up dockside, waiting for someone to fucking decide that what to do with their reactors.

inactionman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:23 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:53 pm

petej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:37 pm
Deep storage somewhere (i think under Cumbria).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/geological-disposal
https://www.imeche.org/news/news-articl ... -millennia

So not even as close to a resolution as the US with Yucca mountain; & with the State of the Tories, you'll be lucky to have started digging the big hole in the ground in the next fifty years !

Last time I checked, the UK hasn't started decommissioning any of it's retired nuclear submarines, & they're still tided up dockside, waiting for someone to fucking decide that what to do with their reactors.

Sellafield had a re-processing facility although that's now been decommissioned. Even with that in service I'd still expect a significant volume of pretty unpleasant waste.

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Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:01 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:23 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:53 pm

So not even as close to a resolution as the US with Yucca mountain; & with the State of the Tories, you'll be lucky to have started digging the big hole in the ground in the next fifty years !

Last time I checked, the UK hasn't started decommissioning any of it's retired nuclear submarines, & they're still tided up dockside, waiting for someone to fucking decide that what to do with their reactors.

Sellafield had a re-processing facility although that's now been decommissioned. Even with that in service I'd still expect a significant volume of pretty unpleasant waste.

The unpleasant stuff is a tiny tiny amount really. Few meters cubed a year I believe. The large amount that isn't really dangerous are overalls etc that are thrown. Can't imagine it needs very high level storage.

yermum wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:42 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:36 am I struggle to get worked up about coal mining/north sea gas etc. If there are to be fossil fuels used, and they will be for at least a decade unless we fancy societal collapse, how about we make money off it to better our society rather than others doing the same?

we can all fiddle as the planet burns I guess.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 1:02 pm

yermum wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:42 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:36 am I struggle to get worked up about coal mining/north sea gas etc. If there are to be fossil fuels used, and they will be for at least a decade unless we fancy societal collapse, how about we make money off it to better our society rather than others doing the same?

we can all fiddle as the planet burns I guess.

Quite. But we'll die rich.

geordie_6 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:07 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 1:02 pm

yermum wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:42 am

we can all fiddle as the planet burns I guess.

Quite. But we'll die rich.

They will. We won't.

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:01 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:23 am

Sellafield had a re-processing facility although that's now been decommissioned. Even with that in service I'd still expect a significant volume of pretty unpleasant waste.

The unpleasant stuff is a tiny tiny amount really. Few meters cubed a year I believe. The large amount that isn't really dangerous are overalls etc that are thrown. Can't imagine it needs very high level storage.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:57 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:11 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:41 pm

I gather the pilot for the RR small scale reactor was supposed to be Grangemouth, but the SNP have kyboshed due to opposition to nuclear. I mention the SNP just to give some balance to the dirty tories angle.

There are existing schemes to help with insulation etc, but I agree completely that this does need to be more concerted - a friend if mine if Fife on UC has had his loft, radiators, doors and boiler replaced for free, but his next door neighbour who is not on UC can't afford to do similar. I'm very happy my mate and his young family have a warm house this winter, but it doesn't make colossal broader sense to make his house energy gold-standard whilst his neighbours have leaking windows.

Agree - David Cameron and his 'Green Crap Policies' stance doesn't seem so clever now! Insulating existing and building more energy efficient homes over the last 10 years would have been a lot cheaper than the current subsidy schemes we have now plus it would have created more jobs and targeted those most in need. Still at least the oil and cash sector are doing well.....

I caught the arse end of an interview on Irish radio earlier, & one of the questions the presenter asked, was why, when the benefits to construction are so obvious,we don't build more modular homes in Ireland ?

Most of them being built in Ireland, are built from parts imported from the Baltic, states & Scandinavia.

It's a good question, because when you are building components in a factory, you can mass produce, & do the work to a much higher quality, than on the site; especially things like air tightness, which is critical.

From a political perspective, it's a win-win, because you are fixing a societal issue, & you create skilled jobs, in Industrial areas like the Red Wall seats; & if you do a good job of it, you can export too !

inactionman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:18 am It depends whether they're piloting the technology - which is already in use in a variant form in submarines, which in engineering terms is already a more complex use case - or the applicability to alternative locations. It's not clear to me what the intent of the pilot was/is.

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derriz wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 8:47 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:18 am It depends whether they're piloting the technology - which is already in use in a variant form in submarines, which in engineering terms is already a more complex use case - or the applicability to alternative locations. It's not clear to me what the intent of the pilot was/is.

problem with SMRs is that - because of fundamental physical laws - they will always be less efficient than larger reactors - consuming more fuel and producing more waste per kWh. given that even large modern nuclear reactors can only survive in today's liberalised/competitive electricity markets with massive subsidies, SMRs have no chance.

people have been talking about this shit for 70 years and yet nobody has produced a single proven commercial/civilian SMR design. this wasn't the lack of trying - with an unlimited budget you can build something - like the McMurdo station plant in Antartica - which was replaced after a decade by a diesel generator - flying diesel by helicopter to the antarctic proved to be cheaper than running a small nuclear reactor.

the only reason smrs are even discussed is because the nuclear industry has been declining for years - global peak electricity share was in 1996 - nearly twice its share today and so the tiny handful of nuke power companies that haven't gone bust have learned to survive by sucking on the government money tit. smr is a good marketing story for gullible government even if it's nonsense engineering.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:35 am Well done to those who voted for this Tory Government, & all those before it

A man who had broken his hip was taken to hospital strapped to a plank in the back of a van after his granddaughter was told no ambulances were available.

Nicole Lea found Melvyn Ryan behind the door of his home after he pressed an emergency call button around his neck.

When she got there she discovered the 89-year-old Suez Crisis veteran also had a broken shoulder.

The Welsh Ambulance Service said Mr Ryan's experience was below the service it aimed to offer.

She said she went to grandfather-of-eight Mr Ryan's home, in Cwmbran, Torfaen, after being contacted just after midnight on Friday.

She said: "I didn't waste any time in calling 999 and gave them my details. And they turned around and said they were unable to send anyone, there wasn't any help to send and that I'd have to find a way of getting him there myself."

The call handler advised her to call the out-of-hours GP before saying she had to go to deal with other calls.

"I was just sat there then, on my own on the floor with my 89-year-old grandfather wondering how we were going to get out of this situation," Ms Lea, from Pontypool, said.

Ms Lea said knew she had to do something and kept her grandfather chatting as she figured things out.

She did not call the GP as she thought it would be a waste of time.

"With my partner and my mum's help we managed to come up with the idea of getting him onto a plank of wood and into the back of my partner's van to get him up to hospital," Ms Lea said.

Once in the van he was driven to Grange University Hospital, in Cwmbran.

"We got him onto this plank of wood, we secured him there, kept him as warm as possible, got him into the back of the van and took him straight up to hospital," Ms Lea said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63948640

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Afriyie was pursued by creditors including HMRC for £1m in unpaid tax and Barclays Bank. He asked for more time to sell the family home in order to pay his debts. But the judge ruled Afriyie had had long enough to make arrangements and ordered bankruptcy.

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Lobby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:51 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:35 am Well done to those who voted for this Tory Government, & all those before it

A man who had broken his hip was taken to hospital strapped to a plank in the back of a van after his granddaughter was told no ambulances were available.

Nicole Lea found Melvyn Ryan behind the door of his home after he pressed an emergency call button around his neck.

When she got there she discovered the 89-year-old Suez Crisis veteran also had a broken shoulder.

The Welsh Ambulance Service said Mr Ryan's experience was below the service it aimed to offer.

She said she went to grandfather-of-eight Mr Ryan's home, in Cwmbran, Torfaen, after being contacted just after midnight on Friday.

She said: "I didn't waste any time in calling 999 and gave them my details. And they turned around and said they were unable to send anyone, there wasn't any help to send and that I'd have to find a way of getting him there myself."

The call handler advised her to call the out-of-hours GP before saying she had to go to deal with other calls.

"I was just sat there then, on my own on the floor with my 89-year-old grandfather wondering how we were going to get out of this situation," Ms Lea, from Pontypool, said.

Ms Lea said knew she had to do something and kept her grandfather chatting as she figured things out.

She did not call the GP as she thought it would be a waste of time.

"With my partner and my mum's help we managed to come up with the idea of getting him onto a plank of wood and into the back of my partner's van to get him up to hospital," Ms Lea said.

Once in the van he was driven to Grange University Hospital, in Cwmbran.

"We got him onto this plank of wood, we secured him there, kept him as warm as possible, got him into the back of the van and took him straight up to hospital," Ms Lea said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63948640

You do know that the NHS in Wales is run by the Welsh Government don't you? This is an appalling story, but the blame for this lies primarily with the Welsh Labour administration rather than the Tories.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:35 am Well done to those who voted for this Tory Government, & all those before it

A man who had broken his hip was taken to hospital strapped to a plank in the back of a van after his granddaughter was told no ambulances were available.

Nicole Lea found Melvyn Ryan behind the door of his home after he pressed an emergency call button around his neck.

When she got there she discovered the 89-year-old Suez Crisis veteran also had a broken shoulder.

The Welsh Ambulance Service said Mr Ryan's experience was below the service it aimed to offer.

She said she went to grandfather-of-eight Mr Ryan's home, in Cwmbran, Torfaen, after being contacted just after midnight on Friday.

She said: "I didn't waste any time in calling 999 and gave them my details. And they turned around and said they were unable to send anyone, there wasn't any help to send and that I'd have to find a way of getting him there myself."

The call handler advised her to call the out-of-hours GP before saying she had to go to deal with other calls.

"I was just sat there then, on my own on the floor with my 89-year-old grandfather wondering how we were going to get out of this situation," Ms Lea, from Pontypool, said.

Ms Lea said knew she had to do something and kept her grandfather chatting as she figured things out.

She did not call the GP as she thought it would be a waste of time.

"With my partner and my mum's help we managed to come up with the idea of getting him onto a plank of wood and into the back of my partner's van to get him up to hospital," Ms Lea said.

Once in the van he was driven to Grange University Hospital, in Cwmbran.

"We got him onto this plank of wood, we secured him there, kept him as warm as possible, got him into the back of the van and took him straight up to hospital," Ms Lea said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63948640

GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:12 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:35 am Well done to those who voted for this Tory Government, & all those before it

A man who had broken his hip was taken to hospital strapped to a plank in the back of a van after his granddaughter was told no ambulances were available.

Nicole Lea found Melvyn Ryan behind the door of his home after he pressed an emergency call button around his neck.

When she got there she discovered the 89-year-old Suez Crisis veteran also had a broken shoulder.

The Welsh Ambulance Service said Mr Ryan's experience was below the service it aimed to offer.

She said she went to grandfather-of-eight Mr Ryan's home, in Cwmbran, Torfaen, after being contacted just after midnight on Friday.

She said: "I didn't waste any time in calling 999 and gave them my details. And they turned around and said they were unable to send anyone, there wasn't any help to send and that I'd have to find a way of getting him there myself."

The call handler advised her to call the out-of-hours GP before saying she had to go to deal with other calls.

"I was just sat there then, on my own on the floor with my 89-year-old grandfather wondering how we were going to get out of this situation," Ms Lea, from Pontypool, said.

Ms Lea said knew she had to do something and kept her grandfather chatting as she figured things out.

She did not call the GP as she thought it would be a waste of time.

"With my partner and my mum's help we managed to come up with the idea of getting him onto a plank of wood and into the back of my partner's van to get him up to hospital," Ms Lea said.

Once in the van he was driven to Grange University Hospital, in Cwmbran.

"We got him onto this plank of wood, we secured him there, kept him as warm as possible, got him into the back of the van and took him straight up to hospital," Ms Lea said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63948640

Apart from anything else someone is going to get badly damaged after being handled by people who don’t know how to deal with fractures. I realise why they have to do it.