NPR

C69 wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am Well with regards to vaccines and work in the NHS, I recieved a list of all the staff in my dept that I have to discuss Vaccine as a Condition of Deployment (VCOD).
Give all the staff are patient facing and the opportunities of non patient facing activities are scarce/non existent then this is going to be challenging to say the least.

I suspect the shit is about to hot the fan actoss the NHS. I for one am not looking forward to having these discussions and will ensure I have a box of tears for the staff and a flack jacket and armour for me.

petej wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:18 am

tc27 wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:58 am https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Case numbers imply we are well past the peak of this wave.

It also looks like deaths and hospital admissions are starting to follow cases albeit with the usual lag.

Not sure deaths even went up at all. Perhaps because Omicron displaced delta (and booster role out +increased immunity) deaths actually fell. There is a downward trend since the beginning November.
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Marylandolorian wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:32 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:47 pm Christ, just chatting to a mate and he tells me his youngest daughter caught Covid 6 weeks ago and has tested positive again today...

If it was a PCR test , it can remain positive for up to 12 weeks after infection, CDC recommends antigens test instead.

Biffer wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:25 pm Cases really tumbled in the last week in Scotland. Less than 3,000 positive PCR tests reported today, compared to 17,000 a fortnight ago.

Slick wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:47 pm

Biffer wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:25 pm Cases really tumbled in the last week in Scotland. Less than 3,000 positive PCR tests reported today, compared to 17,000 a fortnight ago.

That's very good. Although, I think a lot of people are not bothering with PCR tests/ Can't get one etc. Not nearly enough to discount those figures mind.

Slick wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:47 pm

Biffer wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:25 pm Cases really tumbled in the last week in Scotland. Less than 3,000 positive PCR tests reported today, compared to 17,000 a fortnight ago.

That's very good. Although, I think a lot of people are not bothering with PCR tests/ Can't get one etc. Not nearly enough to discount those figures mind.

petej wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:45 pm

Slick wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:47 pm

Biffer wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:25 pm Cases really tumbled in the last week in Scotland. Less than 3,000 positive PCR tests reported today, compared to 17,000 a fortnight ago.

That's very good. Although, I think a lot of people are not bothering with PCR tests/ Can't get one etc. Not nearly enough to discount those figures mind.

But when the positivity is also heading downwards you definitely can't discount them. I do find the map funny today. Perhaps Devon and Cornwall should join Wales.
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petej wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:45 pm

Slick wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:47 pm

Biffer wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:25 pm Cases really tumbled in the last week in Scotland. Less than 3,000 positive PCR tests reported today, compared to 17,000 a fortnight ago.

That's very good. Although, I think a lot of people are not bothering with PCR tests/ Can't get one etc. Not nearly enough to discount those figures mind.

But when the positivity is also heading downwards you definitely can't discount them. I do find the map funny today. Perhaps Devon and Cornwall should join Wales.
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shaggy wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:02 pm

petej wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:45 pm

Slick wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:47 pm

That's very good. Although, I think a lot of people are not bothering with PCR tests/ Can't get one etc. Not nearly enough to discount those figures mind.

But when the positivity is also heading downwards you definitely can't discount them. I do find the map funny today. Perhaps Devon and Cornwall should join Wales.
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Fuck off. You can have Cornwall as they are weird buggers but Devon stays in England!

SaintK wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:31 pm

shaggy wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:02 pm

petej wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:45 pm
But when the positivity is also heading downwards you definitely can't discount them. I do find the map funny today. Perhaps Devon and Cornwall should join Wales.
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Fuck off. You can have Cornwall as they are weird buggers but Devon stays in England!

Aren't most of them second home owners from Notting Hill and Islington?

SaintK wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:31 pm

shaggy wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:02 pm

petej wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:45 pm
But when the positivity is also heading downwards you definitely can't discount them. I do find the map funny today. Perhaps Devon and Cornwall should join Wales.
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Fuck off. You can have Cornwall as they are weird buggers but Devon stays in England!

Aren't most of them second home owners from Notting Hill and Islington?

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:58 pm

Marylandolorian wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:32 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:47 pm Christ, just chatting to a mate and he tells me his youngest daughter caught Covid 6 weeks ago and has tested positive again today...

If it was a PCR test , it can remain positive for up to 12 weeks after infection, CDC recommends antigens test instead.

Tested negative repeatedly in-between. Looks like a genuine re-infection (presumably Delta then Omicron)

Ymx wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:14 pm But also yes I understood that …

Lat flows are positive for a short time (whilst you are infectious), and then go negative usually within 7 days.

PCR can stay positive for a couple of months.

But if both times lat flows are positive (6 weeks apart) then it’s certainly a re infection.

dpedin wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:08 pm

petej wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:45 pm

Slick wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:47 pm

That's very good. Although, I think a lot of people are not bothering with PCR tests/ Can't get one etc. Not nearly enough to discount those figures mind.

But when the positivity is also heading downwards you definitely can't discount them. I do find the map funny today. Perhaps Devon and Cornwall should join Wales.
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Scotland reported on 16,208 new tests yesterday of which 21.3% were positive the highest rate since last Tuesday. Yesterday 27,243 tests were reported so a drop in test reported by 45%. 7 day average for positive reports was 19.4%. You have to go back over a year to find as low a number of tests reported. To me, unless this is a reporting hiccup which is a distinct possibility, it looks like there is a significant drop off in tests, and therefore cases, being reported which can't be explained completely by a drop in actual covid cases. I suspect most folk are not bothering to report on LFTs or even getting tested now? The impact of this is that number of cases is now a different measure - we are not comparing like with like now so any trend info is not worth looking at. Hospitalisations and deaths remain the key indicators.

Biffer wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:43 pm

dpedin wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:08 pm

petej wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:45 pm
But when the positivity is also heading downwards you definitely can't discount them. I do find the map funny today. Perhaps Devon and Cornwall should join Wales.
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Scotland reported on 16,208 new tests yesterday of which 21.3% were positive the highest rate since last Tuesday. Yesterday 27,243 tests were reported so a drop in test reported by 45%. 7 day average for positive reports was 19.4%. You have to go back over a year to find as low a number of tests reported. To me, unless this is a reporting hiccup which is a distinct possibility, it looks like there is a significant drop off in tests, and therefore cases, being reported which can't be explained completely by a drop in actual covid cases. I suspect most folk are not bothering to report on LFTs or even getting tested now? The impact of this is that number of cases is now a different measure - we are not comparing like with like now so any trend info is not worth looking at. Hospitalisations and deaths remain the key indicators.

1. There were no cases reported the previous day so its two days' figures
2. They are now reporting LFTs as well as PCRs where previously it was just PCR

CM11 wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:48 pm Going to be very odd being able to have a normal conversation about covid on here!

Anyway, read this initially as a young child and was wondering about repeated tests but am I right to assume the reason for that was that she works in healthcare or some area with high exposure?

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:58 pm

Marylandolorian wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:32 pm

If it was a PCR test , it can remain positive for up to 12 weeks after infection, CDC recommends antigens test instead.

Tested negative repeatedly in-between. Looks like a genuine re-infection (presumably Delta then Omicron)

Biffer wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:43 pm

dpedin wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:08 pm

petej wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:45 pm
But when the positivity is also heading downwards you definitely can't discount them. I do find the map funny today. Perhaps Devon and Cornwall should join Wales.
Screenshot_20220117-164216.png

Scotland reported on 16,208 new tests yesterday of which 21.3% were positive the highest rate since last Tuesday. Yesterday 27,243 tests were reported so a drop in test reported by 45%. 7 day average for positive reports was 19.4%. You have to go back over a year to find as low a number of tests reported. To me, unless this is a reporting hiccup which is a distinct possibility, it looks like there is a significant drop off in tests, and therefore cases, being reported which can't be explained completely by a drop in actual covid cases. I suspect most folk are not bothering to report on LFTs or even getting tested now? The impact of this is that number of cases is now a different measure - we are not comparing like with like now so any trend info is not worth looking at. Hospitalisations and deaths remain the key indicators.

1. There were no cases reported the previous day so its two days' figures
2. They are now reporting LFTs as well as PCRs where previously it was just PCR

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:09 pm

CM11 wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:48 pm Going to be very odd being able to have a normal conversation about covid on here!

Anyway, read this initially as a young child and was wondering about repeated tests but am I right to assume the reason for that was that she works in healthcare or some area with high exposure?

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:58 pm

Tested negative repeatedly in-between. Looks like a genuine re-infection (presumably Delta then Omicron)

Unlikely, she's about five

petej wrote: Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:49 am

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:09 pm

CM11 wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:48 pm Going to be very odd being able to have a normal conversation about covid on here!

Anyway, read this initially as a young child and was wondering about repeated tests but am I right to assume the reason for that was that she works in healthcare or some area with high exposure?

Unlikely, she's about five

Child prodigy?

Zero COVID harsh on hamsters (and rabbits).
https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking ... %27s-first

Hana Horka: Czech singer dies after catching Covid intentionally

A folk singer from the Czech Republic has died after deliberately catching Covid, her son has told the BBC. Hana Horka, 57, was unvaccinated and had posted on social media that she was recovering after testing positive, but died two days later.

Her son, Jan Rek, said she got infected on purpose when he and his father had the virus, so she could get a recovery pass to access certain venues.

The Czech Republic reported a record number of Covid-19 cases on Wednesday.

Mr Rek and his father, who are both fully vaccinated, both caught Covid over Christmas. But he said his mother had decided not to stay away from them, preferring instead to expose herself to the virus. "She should have isolated for a week because we tested positive. But she was with us the whole time," he said.

Proof of vaccination or recent infection from the virus is required in the Czech Republic to gain entry to many social and cultural venues, including cinemas, bars and cafes.

tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:59 pm RIP but hard to believe after all this time some still don't understand how serious this virus infection is

Hana Horka: Czech singer dies after catching Covid intentionally

A folk singer from the Czech Republic has died after deliberately catching Covid, her son has told the BBC. Hana Horka, 57, was unvaccinated and had posted on social media that she was recovering after testing positive, but died two days later.

Her son, Jan Rek, said she got infected on purpose when he and his father had the virus, so she could get a recovery pass to access certain venues.

The Czech Republic reported a record number of Covid-19 cases on Wednesday.

Mr Rek and his father, who are both fully vaccinated, both caught Covid over Christmas. But he said his mother had decided not to stay away from them, preferring instead to expose herself to the virus. "She should have isolated for a week because we tested positive. But she was with us the whole time," he said.

Proof of vaccination or recent infection from the virus is required in the Czech Republic to gain entry to many social and cultural venues, including cinemas, bars and cafes.

tc27 wrote: Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:24 pm UK unemployment back to pre Covid levels and job vacancies high. Looks like the economic scarring has being successfully minimised.



Massive intervention by the BoE so important - really shows the benefit of having those tools available in a crisis.

As discussed on the GB News channel on 19/1/22 in an interview with Professor Karol Sikora, ex WHO Head of Cancer.

The UK Office for National Statistics has stated that to date there have been 17,371 UK deaths solely from Covid.

The average age of death from Covid was
82.5 years, which is over the average UK age of death generally.

On average 700,000 people die every year in the UK

Rinkals wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:28 am I had this sent to me today.

As discussed on the GB News channel on 19/1/22 in an interview with Professor Karol Sikora, ex WHO Head of Cancer.

The UK Office for National Statistics has stated that to date there have been 17,371 UK deaths solely from Covid.

The average age of death from Covid was
82.5 years, which is over the average UK age of death generally.

On average 700,000 people die every year in the UK

The clear implication is that the pandemic had no effect and all measures (including vaccination) were unjustified.

How do I respond? Are the figures accurate?

As I understand it, Sweden did not implement any measures to protect their population, but I haven't heard anything on whether they were justified.

I suppose I should be looking this stuff up for myself, but there is so much shit out there and I wouldn't mind getting opinions from the bored.

Rinkals wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:28 am I had this sent to me today.

As discussed on the GB News channel on 19/1/22 in an interview with Professor Karol Sikora, ex WHO Head of Cancer.

The UK Office for National Statistics has stated that to date there have been 17,371 UK deaths solely from Covid.

The average age of death from Covid was
82.5 years, which is over the average UK age of death generally.

On average 700,000 people die every year in the UK

The clear implication is that the pandemic had no effect and all measures (including vaccination) were unjustified.

How do I respond? Are the figures accurate?

As I understand it, Sweden did not implement any measures to protect their population, but I haven't heard anything on whether they were justified.

I suppose I should be looking this stuff up for myself, but there is so much shit out there and I wouldn't mind getting opinions from the bored.

petej wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:01 am

Rinkals wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:28 am I had this sent to me today.

As discussed on the GB News channel on 19/1/22 in an interview with Professor Karol Sikora, ex WHO Head of Cancer.

The UK Office for National Statistics has stated that to date there have been 17,371 UK deaths solely from Covid.

The average age of death from Covid was
82.5 years, which is over the average UK age of death generally.

On average 700,000 people die every year in the UK

The clear implication is that the pandemic had no effect and all measures (including vaccination) were unjustified.

How do I respond? Are the figures accurate?

As I understand it, Sweden did not implement any measures to protect their population, but I haven't heard anything on whether they were justified.

I suppose I should be looking this stuff up for myself, but there is so much shit out there and I wouldn't mind getting opinions from the bored.

Sweden did implement measures just less harsh ones but a lot of the reductions in movement enforced in other countries just happened in Sweden voluntarily. Comparisons between Sweden and countries like the UK and USA are daft considering differences in the welfare states, public health and health care. GB news is not a news source to be trusted. Make sure you check the original source (ONS) and understand what they were actually measuring. The solely from COVID is probably correct considering the number of people with co-morbidities but people can live with co-morbidities for a longtime. Excess deaths is a better measure.

Rinkals wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:28 am I had this sent to me today.

As discussed on the GB News channel on 19/1/22 in an interview with Professor Karol Sikora, ex WHO Head of Cancer.

The UK Office for National Statistics has stated that to date there have been 17,371 UK deaths solely from Covid.

The average age of death from Covid was
82.5 years, which is over the average UK age of death generally.

On average 700,000 people die every year in the UK

The clear implication is that the pandemic had no effect and all measures (including vaccination) were unjustified.

How do I respond? Are the figures accurate?

As I understand it, Sweden did not implement any measures to protect their population, but I haven't heard anything on whether they were justified.

I suppose I should be looking this stuff up for myself, but there is so much shit out there and I wouldn't mind getting opinions from the bored.

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:37 am Sikora really is a fucking grifter.

I see some of the other Great Barrington Declaration types went totally nutso over the last year. Gupta claiming that "repeated infection" is the only way forward if we want herd immunity was a real highlight. Bhattacharya is as anti-everything as ever, and was on Fox talking about how repeat boosters are bad for the immune system - ffs.