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Ymx wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:30 am This can’t be true right? (It’s from the daily mail).

Jacinda Ardern will force household Covid contacts to isolate for 24 DAYS in new crackdown as NZ braces for Omicron outbreak

With omicron, the rest of the world was scrambling to reduce isolation for those infected to a week, let alone those in the household. It’s spread in unstoppable.

This 24 days is likely worse than full lockdown as it takes down key workers and services.

Mahoney wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:45 am

convoluted wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:27 am So Pfizer is currently attempting to develop a vaccine that will be effective against Omicron.
Meanwhile, Jackboot Jac is insisting that NZers take the Pfizer booster before Omicron swamps the streets with runny stuff from out of the nose.

The contradiction in those above two sentences is jarring.
I need an explanation from you nerdish "Follow the Science' wokes to help me get my head around the absurdity.

Reality isn't binary. Things can work better than other things.

3 doses of the existing vaccines have been proven to be highly effective at preventing serious illness from Omicron. It is less effective at preventing Omicron with symptoms, and less effective still at preventing transmission (though it does reduce transmission).

A vaccine targeted specifically at Omicron would be better at preventing transmission with fewer doses - giving 3 staggered doses of the existing vaccines takes 6+ months and is obviously 3x the logistical effort of a single dose.

MungoMan wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:50 am

Ymx wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:30 am This can’t be true right? (It’s from the daily mail).

Jacinda Ardern will force household Covid contacts to isolate for 24 DAYS in new crackdown as NZ braces for Omicron outbreak

With omicron, the rest of the world was scrambling to reduce isolation for those infected to a week, let alone those in the household. It’s spread in unstoppable.

This 24 days is likely worse than full lockdown as it takes down key workers and services.

If omicron sinks its teeth in deep and the 24 day period is a thing, it will get very ugly very fast as regards getting any work done.

Ymx wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:13 pm Ok. So covid is back home again.

My daughter testing positive again. Just 1 month after last time.

I’ve had a bad chesty cough unrelated, still negative.

But my daughter sneezing crazily, and bright lat flow.

CM11 wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:03 pm

Ymx wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:13 pm Ok. So covid is back home again.

My daughter testing positive again. Just 1 month after last time.

I’ve had a bad chesty cough unrelated, still negative.

But my daughter sneezing crazily, and bright lat flow.

1 month after recovery or last positive PCR? Where are you again? Omicron both times?

We've something going through the house again a month later too but no one testing positive on antigen.

It's not sustainable for everyone to isolate as per advice if this is going to reinfect easily every month!

Ymx wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:54 pm

CM11 wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:03 pm

Ymx wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:13 pm Ok. So covid is back home again.

My daughter testing positive again. Just 1 month after last time.

I’ve had a bad chesty cough unrelated, still negative.

But my daughter sneezing crazily, and bright lat flow.

1 month after recovery or last positive PCR? Where are you again? Omicron both times?

We've something going through the house again a month later too but no one testing positive on antigen.

It's not sustainable for everyone to isolate as per advice if this is going to reinfect easily every month!

First one was lat flow and backed up by PCR.

This one is just lat flow so far. Probably too soon for PCR.

It was late December last time, omicron symptoms, and same as now. Sneezing with runny nose.

Lady P wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:36 pm Hi all. Didn’t register just to talk about coronavirus but perhaps prompted by my own positive test this morning I finally got around to signing up.

Our five year old also tested positive on Friday, then our two year old and now me. Guessing Braz will soon. Small children don’t seem to be great at infection control.

Hope all those in the same boat are doing ok. I’m lucky that it’s been incredibly mild so far, and our five year old probably had the worst of it with a fever on day 1.

Ps how can I expected to remember the replacement Lions captain after this many months with Covid? Ffs mods

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:31 pm IMO remembering any detail from the Lions tour is grounds for a ban.

convoluted wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:34 pm Omicron is on the move in New Zealand ... relentless .... remorseless ... about to consume all in its path.

Yesterday's headline in the local paper after two cases were detected 50 km away: "It's Getting Nearer"
And this morning's blare: "People Are Afraid": Streets Quiet In Red

Seems the walls are closing in on Trump ... oops, I mean on the NZ populace.

Happyhooker wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:38 pm

convoluted wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:34 pm Omicron is on the move in New Zealand ... relentless .... remorseless ... about to consume all in its path.

Yesterday's headline in the local paper after two cases were detected 50 km away: "It's Getting Nearer"
And this morning's blare: "People Are Afraid": Streets Quiet In Red

Seems the walls are closing in on Trump ... oops, I mean on the NZ populace.

Appropriate username

Slick wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:56 pm

Lady P wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:36 pm Hi all. Didn’t register just to talk about coronavirus but perhaps prompted by my own positive test this morning I finally got around to signing up.

Our five year old also tested positive on Friday, then our two year old and now me. Guessing Braz will soon. Small children don’t seem to be great at infection control.

Hope all those in the same boat are doing ok. I’m lucky that it’s been incredibly mild so far, and our five year old probably had the worst of it with a fever on day 1.

Ps how can I expected to remember the replacement Lions captain after this many months with Covid? Ffs mods

Our 5 year old had a pretty bad day one but then bounced back immediately , although I thought I heard him wheezing a bit today after some exercise.

Unfortunately day 6 was today and his LFT was still positive so off school until next week now

Amazingly, none of the rest of us have picked it up

Slick wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:11 am
Wife tested positive this morning.

This is getting a little too close to Calcutta Cup weekend now...

Niegs wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:40 am I'm not sure if these truckers against vaccine mandates are also transphobes (I mean, they probably are) or if he's got mechanical issues an needs help!?

dpedin wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:53 pm In the UK approx 1 in 500 of its entire population has died from Covid so far. In Japan, with similar risk factors in terms of age etc, the figure is 1 in 7,000 and UK has suffered a larger fall in GDP. The main difference is how our governments have chosen to handle the pandemic

This apparently is the 'world beating covid response' that the Tories are claiming the Blonde Bumblecunt is proud of.

Slick wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:11 am

Slick wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:56 pm

Lady P wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:36 pm Hi all. Didn’t register just to talk about coronavirus but perhaps prompted by my own positive test this morning I finally got around to signing up.

Our five year old also tested positive on Friday, then our two year old and now me. Guessing Braz will soon. Small children don’t seem to be great at infection control.

Hope all those in the same boat are doing ok. I’m lucky that it’s been incredibly mild so far, and our five year old probably had the worst of it with a fever on day 1.

Ps how can I expected to remember the replacement Lions captain after this many months with Covid? Ffs mods

Our 5 year old had a pretty bad day one but then bounced back immediately , although I thought I heard him wheezing a bit today after some exercise.

Unfortunately day 6 was today and his LFT was still positive so off school until next week now

Amazingly, none of the rest of us have picked it up

Wife tested positive this morning.

This is getting a little too close to Calcutta Cup weekend now...

dpedin wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:53 pm In the UK approx 1 in 500 of its entire population has died from Covid so far. In Japan, with similar risk factors in terms of age etc, the figure is 1 in 7,000 and UK has suffered a larger fall in GDP. The main difference is how our governments have chosen to handle the pandemic

This apparently is the 'world beating covid response' that the Tories are claiming the Blonde Bumblecunt is proud of.

petej wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:35 pm

dpedin wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:53 pm In the UK approx 1 in 500 of its entire population has died from Covid so far. In Japan, with similar risk factors in terms of age etc, the figure is 1 in 7,000 and UK has suffered a larger fall in GDP. The main difference is how our governments have chosen to handle the pandemic

This apparently is the 'world beating covid response' that the Tories are claiming the Blonde Bumblecunt is proud of.

Public health in Japan I doubt is anywhere near as bad. There will be far less obese people for starters. The risk factors will be higher in the UK (I'm sure the last decade of Tory rule hasn't helped the health of the UK populace).

dpedin wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:52 pm

petej wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:35 pm

dpedin wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:53 pm In the UK approx 1 in 500 of its entire population has died from Covid so far. In Japan, with similar risk factors in terms of age etc, the figure is 1 in 7,000 and UK has suffered a larger fall in GDP. The main difference is how our governments have chosen to handle the pandemic

This apparently is the 'world beating covid response' that the Tories are claiming the Blonde Bumblecunt is proud of.

Public health in Japan I doubt is anywhere near as bad. There will be far less obese people for starters. The risk factors will be higher in the UK (I'm sure the last decade of Tory rule hasn't helped the health of the UK populace).

Japan may be less obese but has in older population, has a greater population density, etc etc. As said above these risk factors do not explain the huge difference in covid death rates. The respective Government's PH response is the main reason for the different death rates. The UK Gov response and the growing lack of trust in what it says has been the main explanation for our piss poor covid response, for the UK Gov to call it world beating is correct but not in the way it means.

petej wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:15 pm

dpedin wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:52 pm

petej wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:35 pm

Public health in Japan I doubt is anywhere near as bad. There will be far less obese people for starters. The risk factors will be higher in the UK (I'm sure the last decade of Tory rule hasn't helped the health of the UK populace).

Japan may be less obese but has in older population, has a greater population density, etc etc. As said above these risk factors do not explain the huge difference in covid death rates. The respective Government's PH response is the main reason for the different death rates. The UK Gov response and the growing lack of trust in what it says has been the main explanation for our piss poor covid response, for the UK Gov to call it world beating is correct but not in the way it means.

By all means compare us to France, Germany and other western European countries but I would avoid comparing us to Japan. They have very low rates of obesity and associated co-morbidities that brings, a very different culture and a very different diet. Public health is not a short term thing and if our public health was better the risk of COVID would be significantly lower. I'm not disputing that our governments response has been piss poor I just wouldn't compare us with Japan.

dpedin wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:10 pm

petej wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:15 pm

dpedin wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:52 pm Japan may be less obese but has in older population, has a greater population density, etc etc. As said above these risk factors do not explain the huge difference in covid death rates. The respective Government's PH response is the main reason for the different death rates. The UK Gov response and the growing lack of trust in what it says has been the main explanation for our piss poor covid response, for the UK Gov to call it world beating is correct but not in the way it means.

By all means compare us to France, Germany and other western European countries but I would avoid comparing us to Japan. They have very low rates of obesity and associated co-morbidities that brings, a very different culture and a very different diet. Public health is not a short term thing and if our public health was better the risk of COVID would be significantly lower. I'm not disputing that our governments response has been piss poor I just wouldn't compare us with Japan.

The main reason for the comparison is because we are the only G7 island nations. The point is that the differences in various risk factors are relatively small - obesity, density, wealth, etc between G7 countries in comparison with many other countries. By all means pick and choose the risk factors you want to prove your own point of view - coincidently Japan's diabetes rate is higher than in the UK - but overall there is only one explanation for the difference in covid death rates and that is the PH strategy adopted by the respective Governments. Remember the original point was to dispel the Tory claim that the Blonde Bumblecunt 'got us through covid successfully'! He didn't and the comparison with Japan remains valid.

petej wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:15 pm

dpedin wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:10 pm

petej wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:15 pm

By all means compare us to France, Germany and other western European countries but I would avoid comparing us to Japan. They have very low rates of obesity and associated co-morbidities that brings, a very different culture and a very different diet. Public health is not a short term thing and if our public health was better the risk of COVID would be significantly lower. I'm not disputing that our governments response has been piss poor I just wouldn't compare us with Japan.

The main reason for the comparison is because we are the only G7 island nations. The point is that the differences in various risk factors are relatively small - obesity, density, wealth, etc between G7 countries in comparison with many other countries. By all means pick and choose the risk factors you want to prove your own point of view - coincidently Japan's diabetes rate is higher than in the UK - but overall there is only one explanation for the difference in covid death rates and that is the PH strategy adopted by the respective Governments. Remember the original point was to dispel the Tory claim that the Blonde Bumblecunt 'got us through covid successfully'! He didn't and the comparison with Japan remains valid.

Japan is far more isolated than the UK in more ways than just geography. It is a lazy comparison in much the same way using Sweden as an example for the anti-lockdown movement was for rightwing dingbats in the USA and UK.

Ymx wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:30 pm Speaking of nutters. Are the nutters yet convinced the PCR’s are a way for the global governments to steal our DNA? And retrieve data from the nanobots they planted in us with vaccines?

dpedin wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:34 pm

petej wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:15 pm

dpedin wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:10 pm

The main reason for the comparison is because we are the only G7 island nations. The point is that the differences in various risk factors are relatively small - obesity, density, wealth, etc between G7 countries in comparison with many other countries. By all means pick and choose the risk factors you want to prove your own point of view - coincidently Japan's diabetes rate is higher than in the UK - but overall there is only one explanation for the difference in covid death rates and that is the PH strategy adopted by the respective Governments. Remember the original point was to dispel the Tory claim that the Blonde Bumblecunt 'got us through covid successfully'! He didn't and the comparison with Japan remains valid.

Japan is far more isolated than the UK in more ways than just geography. It is a lazy comparison in much the same way using Sweden as an example for the anti-lockdown movement was for rightwing dingbats in the USA and UK.

Nah it's not. Its not lazy, I've given you facts and you come back with vague assertions based on nothing but your own personal view of the world.

Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:28 pm Following first Neil Young and then Joni Mitchell taking their entire back catalogue off Spotify because they will not take down misinformation podcasts which put peoples' lives at risk, James Blunt has tweeted that unless Joe Rogan's podcast is taken down he will release new music on Spotify