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Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:52 pm**

Slick wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:48 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:39 pm Any word on Graham?
Russell was able to walk off the pitch at least.
He was waving as he went down the tunnel

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:54 pm**

Has Mack Hansen posted his ref review anywhere?

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:57 pm**

Punter15 wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:54 pm Has Mack Hansen posted his ref review anywhere?

I'm watching it back and seeing the Scots give the officials lip over the DVDM yellow makes me wonder what is going through their heads.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2025 9:05 pm**

Uncle fester wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:57 pm
Punter15 wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:54 pm Has Mack Hansen posted his ref review anywhere?
I'm watching it back and seeing the Scots give the officials lip over the DVDM yellow makes me wonder what is going through their heads.

You talking about Russell? I think he was claiming for an earlier infringement. (FWIW, I thought it was a nailed on penalty try)

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2025 9:12 pm**

Simian wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 9:05 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:57 pm
Punter15 wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:54 pm Has Mack Hansen posted his ref review anywhere?
I'm watching it back and seeing the Scots give the officials lip over the DVDM yellow makes me wonder what is going through their heads.
You talking about Russell? I think he was claiming for an earlier infringement. (FWIW, I thought it was a nailed on penalty try)

Possibly but speaking as a ref, we take a very dim view of players trying to talk about a different incident to the one we're dealing with now. Nine times out of ten, it's just whinging/deflection/distraction.

Not a penalty try for me. At best Nash only had a 50% chance of getting the ball.

It was more VDM giving the TJ spray that I was referring to. Couldn't remotely claim to be hard done by and he still went and did that.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2025 10:25 pm**

Slick wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 7:31 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 7:19 pm
Slick wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 7:16 pm

Sunday test matches are just shit
Better than Friday evenings.
I think I’ve warned you about this once already

So you have chosen the path of chunky lasses in pink cowboy hats and twats in daffodil headgear.

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:10 am**

Hal Jordan wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 10:25 pm
Slick wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 7:31 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 7:19 pm

Better than Friday evenings.
I think I’ve warned you about this once already
So you have chosen the path of chunky lasses in pink cowboy hats and twats in daffodil headgear.

One of my finest 6N memories is 4 generations of the same family dressed in the pink cowboy hats and short dresses wandering to the game in Cardiff.

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:16 am**

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:10 am One of my finest 6N memories is 4 generations of the same family dressed in the pink cowboy hats and short dresses wandering to the game in Cardiff.

There was a man/woman in his/her 80/90s wearing a pink cowboy hat and a short dress?

In Cardiff?

Yep, I can see that.

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:24 am**

Kawazaki wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:16 am
Slick wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:10 am One of my finest 6N memories is 4 generations of the same family dressed in the pink cowboy hats and short dresses wandering to the game in Cardiff.

There was a man/woman in his/her 80/90s wearing a pink cowboy hat and a short dress?

In Cardiff?

Yep, I can see that.

Cardiff, so would more likely be mid-60s

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:26 am**

Lobby wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:24 am
Cardiff, so would more likely be mid-60s

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:32 am**

Kawazaki wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:16 am
Slick wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:10 am One of my finest 6N memories is 4 generations of the same family dressed in the pink cowboy hats and short dresses wandering to the game in Cardiff.

There was a man/woman in his/her 80/90s wearing a pink cowboy hat and a short dress?

In Cardiff?

Yep, I can see that.

I think you are misunderstanding the breeding habits of the Valleys

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:57 am**

Kawazaki wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:16 am
Slick wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:10 am One of my finest 6N memories is 4 generations of the same family dressed in the pink cowboy hats and short dresses wandering to the game in Cardiff.

There was a man/woman in his/her 80/90s wearing a pink cowboy hat and a short dress?

In Cardiff?

Yep, I can see that.

No, I'd say the oldest woman was probably late 60's. That you find this unbelievable is strange.

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:59 am**

Uncle fester wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:52 pm
Slick wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:48 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:39 pm Any word on Graham?
Russell was able to walk off the pitch at least.
He was waving as he went down the tunnel

Concussion but no other injuries.

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 10:09 am**

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:57 am
Kawazaki wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:16 am
Slick wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:10 am One of my finest 6N memories is 4 generations of the same family dressed in the pink cowboy hats and short dresses wandering to the game in Cardiff.

There was a man/woman in his/her 80/90s wearing a pink cowboy hat and a short dress?

In Cardiff?

Yep, I can see that.
No, I'd say the oldest woman was probably late 60's. That you find this unbelievable is strange.

It was Cardiff so she was probably only 42 in fact

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 10:12 am**

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:10 am
Hal Jordan wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 10:25 pm
Slick wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 7:31 pm

I think I’ve warned you about this once already
So you have chosen the path of chunky lasses in pink cowboy hats and twats in daffodil headgear.
One of my finest 6N memories is 4 generations of the same family dressed in the pink cowboy hats and short dresses wandering to the game in Cardiff.

You dog!

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:15 am**

Eddie already gone from ITV. Welcome back the dulcet tones of Sir Clive

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:40 am**

Uncle fester wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 9:12 pm
Simian wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 9:05 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:57 pm

I'm watching it back and seeing the Scots give the officials lip over the DVDM yellow makes me wonder what is going through their heads.
You talking about Russell? I think he was claiming for an earlier infringement. (FWIW, I thought it was a nailed on penalty try)
Possibly but speaking as a ref, we take a very dim view of players trying to talk about a different incident to the one we're dealing with now. Nine times out of ten, it's just whinging/deflection/distraction.

Not a penalty try for me. At best Nash only had a 50% chance of getting the ball.

It was more VDM giving the TJ spray that I was referring to. Couldn't remotely claim to be hard done by and he still went and did that.

For me it should have been a penalty try.

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:46 am**

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:15 am Eddie already gone from ITV. Welcome back the dulcet tones of Sir Clive

One bald man for another

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:00 pm**

Jock42 wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:59 am
Uncle fester wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:52 pm
Slick wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:48 pm

He was waving as he went down the tunnel

Concussion but no other injuries.

Bit worrying that Finn passed his HIA but, in Townsend's words "wasn't aware what was going on" and was considered not fit to carry on. It suggests the HIA isn't rigorous enough, but well done to the Scotland management for making that call.

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:02 pm**

OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:40 am
Uncle fester wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 9:12 pm
Simian wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 9:05 pm

You talking about Russell? I think he was claiming for an earlier infringement. (FWIW, I thought it was a nailed on penalty try)
Possibly but speaking as a ref, we take a very dim view of players trying to talk about a different incident to the one we're dealing with now. Nine times out of ten, it's just whinging/deflection/distraction.

Not a penalty try for me. At best Nash only had a 50% chance of getting the ball.

It was more VDM giving the TJ spray that I was referring to. Couldn't remotely claim to be hard done by and he still went and did that.
For me it should have been a penalty try.

Well you don't know the laws then, he had no chance of making that

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:16 pm**

Given that VdM, who took him out, proceeded to shepherd the ball over the dead ball line at reduced pace, I can't see how he wouldn't have been able to touch it down if VdM were not there? And as I understand it you are supposed to judge it as if the offending player were not there.

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:24 pm**

Mahoney wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:16 pm Given that VdM, who took him out, proceeded to shepherd the ball over the dead ball line at reduced pace, I can't see how he wouldn't have been able to touch it down if VdM were not there? And as I understand it you are supposed to judge it as if the offending player were not there.

Agree. There was no defender between the ball and the attacker. Penalty try , no doubt. Coming from a neutral and a DvdM supporter.

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:26 pm**

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:57 am
Kawazaki wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:16 am
Slick wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:10 am One of my finest 6N memories is 4 generations of the same family dressed in the pink cowboy hats and short dresses wandering to the game in Cardiff.

There was a man/woman in his/her 80/90s wearing a pink cowboy hat and a short dress?

In Cardiff?

Yep, I can see that.
No, I'd say the oldest woman was probably late 60's. That you find this unbelievable is strange.

You misunderstand, I don't find this strange. In Cardiff.

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:27 pm**

Lobby wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:00 pm
Jock42 wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:59 am
Uncle fester wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:52 pm

Concussion but no other injuries.
Bit worrying that Finn passed his HIA but, in Townsend's words "wasn't aware what was going on" and was considered not fit to carry on. It suggests the HIA isn't rigorous enough, but well done to the Scotland management for making that call.

Was in the pub so couldn't hear commentary, never realised he had passed.

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:33 pm**

Who from Scotland is likely to miss the England game?

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:46 pm**

Jock42 wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:27 pm
Lobby wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:00 pm
Jock42 wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:59 am
Concussion but no other injuries.
Bit worrying that Finn passed his HIA but, in Townsend's words "wasn't aware what was going on" and was considered not fit to carry on. It suggests the HIA isn't rigorous enough, but well done to the Scotland management for making that call.
Was in the pub so couldn't hear commentary, never realised he had passed.

Wasn't revealed till after the match:

"Scotland head coach Gregor Townsend later revealed that co-captain Russell passed his HIA but the national team medics were uneasy about him continuing.

"Finn fine," Townsend said. "He passed his HIA but our staff sensed he wasn't totally aware of what was going on, so we made the call to not put him back on."

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:48 pm**

OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:24 pm
Mahoney wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:16 pm Given that VdM, who took him out, proceeded to shepherd the ball over the dead ball line at reduced pace, I can't see how he wouldn't have been able to touch it down if VdM were not there? And as I understand it you are supposed to judge it as if the offending player were not there.
Agree. There was no defender between the ball and the attacker. Penalty try , no doubt. Coming from a neutral and a DvdM supporter.

Nash was ahead but his last kick skewed way off to the left bringing Jordan closer to the angle of where the ball was rolling.

For a PT decision van der Merwe is out of the equation but any other defender has to be considered.

It's a chase down between 2 players for a rolling ball. I would agree with the 4 officials that it's not probable a try would be scored, there's too many other moving parts to make that assessment.

This is consistent with most other PT decisions where the PT will usually only be given where there is no other defender to consider once you have taken out the offending player. Even if it would leave a one on one where you might expect the attacking player would be able to step the last man and get in, refs won't guess what might happen there.

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:22 pm**

Yeah I don't think it was a penalty try either - could have been had the bounce been more favourable, but it wasn't. At best it was a 50/50 chance he would have gotten there and that by definition isn't a probable try scoring opportunity.

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:26 pm**

Jock42 wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:27 pm
Lobby wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:00 pm
Jock42 wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:59 am
Concussion but no other injuries.
Bit worrying that Finn passed his HIA but, in Townsend's words "wasn't aware what was going on" and was considered not fit to carry on. It suggests the HIA isn't rigorous enough, but well done to the Scotland management for making that call.
Was in the pub so couldn't hear commentary, never realised he had passed.

He's still alive mate

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 6:13 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 11:07 pm Occasionally we get young lads like Pollock who are so undeniably good that their clubs give them the keys to the kingdom at a young age, but there are plenty who just disappear at Prem level when they've been excelling as U20s. It shouldn't be so big a gap and if it is then clubs need to get better at bridging it.

Thinking of a position of low depth like second row, why is Alex Groves now 24 and essentially a ghost? Nominally he's signed up at Sale, but it's practically impossible to find any appearance info on him. Lewis Chessum has 12 appearances for Tigers since 2022 and now at 21 he's being loaned to a Japenese team. That's a cool experience for him to have, so maybe he'd have gone anyway, but why is it so hard for him to get game time here?

There are all sorts of factors that go into whether players kick on, but we see time and time again, whole swathes of names from the U20s never really kick on to Premiership level, let alone anything higher.

He played his first game back at the weekend after time off for open heart surgery, without which he might actually have wound up as a Ghost:

https://www.salesharks.com/matchday-pro ... qmFIDsbUbw

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 6:15 pm**

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:26 pm
Jock42 wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:27 pm
Lobby wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:00 pm

Bit worrying that Finn passed his HIA but, in Townsend's words "wasn't aware what was going on" and was considered not fit to carry on. It suggests the HIA isn't rigorous enough, but well done to the Scotland management for making that call.
Was in the pub so couldn't hear commentary, never realised he had passed.
He's still alive mate

are you OS in disguise?

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:35 pm**

For our Scottish friends

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2025 7:12 am**

Can’t quite work out why people are getting so worked up about this - not exactly POM’s number 1 fan but he’s clearly doing a bit and it’s reasonably funny

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:12 am**

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 7:12 am Can’t quite work out why people are getting so worked up about this - not exactly POM’s number 1 fan but he’s clearly doing a bit and it’s reasonably funny

It’s only the Irish that get worked up. Every year like clockwork the Irish media concoct some weird narrative around Scotland saying we are going to beat them and how terribly disrespectful we are. It’s really odd

Example A above, posted by an Irisher. I’ve heard literally no one here talking about that, I didn’t even hear any boo’s at the game - there may of been some but it wasn’t a cacophony

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:23 am**

It's weird how the Scottish fans are getting so wound up over this

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:30 am**

JM2K6 wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:23 am It's weird how the Scottish fans are getting so wound up over this

Here comes the arrogant English

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:20 am**

Slick wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:12 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 7:12 am Can’t quite work out why people are getting so worked up about this - not exactly POM’s number 1 fan but he’s clearly doing a bit and it’s reasonably funny
It’s only the Irish that get worked up. Every year like clockwork the Irish media concoct some weird narrative around Scotland saying we are going to beat them and how terribly disrespectful we are. It’s really odd

Example A above, posted by an Irisher. I’ve heard literally no one here talking about that, I didn’t even hear any boo’s at the game - there may of been some but it wasn’t a cacophony

And every year the Irish win. Whatever psychology they've got behind it it works for them.

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:26 am**

Jock42 wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:20 am
Slick wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:12 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 7:12 am Can’t quite work out why people are getting so worked up about this - not exactly POM’s number 1 fan but he’s clearly doing a bit and it’s reasonably funny
It’s only the Irish that get worked up. Every year like clockwork the Irish media concoct some weird narrative around Scotland saying we are going to beat them and how terribly disrespectful we are. It’s really odd

Example A above, posted by an Irisher. I’ve heard literally no one here talking about that, I didn’t even hear any boo’s at the game - there may of been some but it wasn’t a cacophony
And every year the Irish win. Whatever psychology they've got behind it it works for them.

Got to admit I don't particularly mind the guy, get the impression he takes a bit of a dim view of your more rock star type player (of which Scotland do have a few). And of course the Glasgow/Munster thing that has build up of the last decade or so.

Although in fairness I did enjoy a few years back when the captains were asked what their favourite anthem were outside of their own and he said Flower of Scotland, nearly cracking his own teeth while saying it.

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:30 am**

Slick wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:30 am
JM2K6 wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:23 am It's weird how the Scottish fans are getting so wound up over this
Here comes the arrogant English

We must be winning again

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:41 am**

There is one thing that France does manage to deliver upon expectation over England and is typified by this

https://actu.fr/sports/rugby/xv-de-fran ... 32769.html

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