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Slick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:58 am Jesus, is that 4 days of you two going at each other now...

Openside wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:25 pm Ok I think I have worked out why you think I am an old man..

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:01 pm 2) yes I am retired and happy to be retired that is primarily an age thing rather than a fabulously wealthy thing.

ASMO wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:55 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:52 pm The rowing back has started. The polls and focus groups not looking good on this one?

No 10 refused to rule out NHS staff in England being given a one-off bonus in addition to their proposed 1% pay rise. The prime minister’s spokesman defended the planned pay rise - but repeatedly refused to rule out staff being topped up with a bonus outside the pay review process.

It is how they will get around the pay rise row without admitting they got it wrong, technically it is not a payrise, it is a one off payment and they can badge it to make themselves look good, so something like "For all the hard work and effort you put into caring for people during the covid crisis" Virtue signalling at its very best.

Robert Buckland, the justice secretary, has been out giving interviews about the police, crime, sentencing and courts bill being unveiled today, and he dropped a hint that the final decision on a pay rise for NHS staff might be more generous than the 1% increase proposed by the government.
Speaking on BBC Breakfast he said:
The final recommendations have not yet been made. We have got to remember that in large other swathes of the public sector there will be a pay freeze save for the lowest paid. I don’t think at the moment we are at the end of this process.
I think that we need to see what the recommendations are and I very much hope that the outcome - whilst it might not be an outcome in these difficult circumstances that will result in pay rises that everybody would want to see - that the work that has been done by NHS workers will be recognised in a way that is appropriate, bearing in mind the constraints we are all under.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:09 am NHS staff across England were supposed to get a higher pay rise, the head of the health service in England has told MPs and he called for the pay review body to be allowed to do its work without “fear or favour”.

Giving evidence to the Commons health committee on Tuesday morning Sir Simon Stevens confirmed the NHS long term plan would have seen more than a million staff on the NHS Agenda for Change contract given a 2.1 per cent pay rise from April

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Openside wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:53 pm Anyhoo have a good day I am off to split logs

The French government has agreed to give pay rises worth €8bn (£7.2bn; $9bn) to health workers, as it hailed their role in fighting coronavirus.

The deal was signed with trade unions on Monday after seven weeks of fraught negotiations.

Health workers have been revered as heroes during the pandemic with regular displays of public appreciation.

But they wanted more than recognition and have held protests to demand pay rises and better funding for hospitals.

Some demonstrators were fined for breaking social-distancing rules. More than 200,000 infections and 30,000 deaths have been recorded in France, one of Europe's worst-hit countries.

Now the government has reached an agreement on pay that will see the wages of health workers rise by €183 a month on average.

The agreement, which most trade unions have signed up to, was hailed by the new French Prime Minister, Jean Castex, as a "historic moment for our health system".

"This is first of all recognition of those who have been on the front line in the fight against this epidemic," Mr Castex said at a signing ceremony.

Openside wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:47 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:53 am

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:33 pm Hang on are you suggesting that the NHS aren’t doing knee ops? Well that blows IH’s argument out of the water

Where did I claim that?

You did, to such a significant level (that you're yet to quantify) that apparently there are a large enough number free beds available to warrant a NHS pay rise of 1%.

That is so much shite, I maintained that the NHS was cancelling you asked me to prove it, frankly it’s on you to disprove my statement rather than me to prove it! You might want to look at today’s DT there is an article stating the NHS has a backlog of 6 million patients due to the pandemic...

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:24 am

Openside wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:25 pm Ok I think I have worked out why you think I am an old man..

Me too.

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:01 pm 2) yes I am retired and happy to be retired that is primarily an age thing rather than a fabulously wealthy thing.

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:08 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:47 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:53 am

Where did I claim that?

You did, to such a significant level (that you're yet to quantify) that apparently there are a large enough number free beds available to warrant a NHS pay rise of 1%.

That is so much shite, I maintained that the NHS was cancelling you asked me to prove it, frankly it’s on you to disprove my statement rather than me to prove it! You might want to look at today’s DT there is an article stating the NHS has a backlog of 6 million patients due to the pandemic...

That's utter bollocks. If you make a statement it's up to you to prove it, not for someone else to disprove it.

Openside wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:26 pm How old are you? as when I met you I wouldn't have put you much younger than me?

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:41 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:26 pm How old are you? as when I met you I wouldn't have put you much younger than me?

I'm still in my 40s.

Openside wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:56 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:41 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:26 pm How old are you? as when I met you I wouldn't have put you much younger than me?

I'm still in my 40s.

Jeez tough paper round

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:59 am

Davestar wrote:Also Insane Homer looks like Openside's, marginally more butch, younger brother.

Younger??? cough splutter , the cnut is going bald :P

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:15 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:56 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:41 pm
I'm still in my 40s.

Jeez tough paper round

2012 London cabal? I was in my John Smit phase

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:59 am

Davestar wrote:Also Insane Homer looks like Openside's, marginally more butch, younger brother.

Younger??? cough splutter , the cnut is going bald :P

A major transport connectivity review is assessing the feasibility of a bridge or tunnel between Northern Ireland and Scotland, PA Media reports

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:54 am S0 they're going ahead with a feasibility study for another of the blonde slug's vanity projects!
Hope it doesn't cost £50+M like he spaffed on the Garden Bridge project.

A major transport connectivity review is assessing the feasibility of a bridge or tunnel between Northern Ireland and Scotland, PA Media reports

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:54 am S0 they're going ahead with a feasibility study for another of the blonde slug's vanity projects!
Hope it doesn't cost £50+M like he spaffed on the Garden Bridge project.

A major transport connectivity review is assessing the feasibility of a bridge or tunnel between Northern Ireland and Scotland, PA Media reports

salanya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:47 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:54 am S0 they're going ahead with a feasibility study for another of the blonde slug's vanity projects!
Hope it doesn't cost £50+M like he spaffed on the Garden Bridge project.

A major transport connectivity review is assessing the feasibility of a bridge or tunnel between Northern Ireland and Scotland, PA Media reports

Couldn't believe that this morning: there's no money to go beyond a 1% pay rise for nurses, the awfulness that is HS2 is running way over budget, they were 'struggling' to pay for poor kids' lunches during term holidays, but let's look into a bridge or tunnel between Scotland and Northern Ireland (hint: there's a reason it hasn't been done yet).

This government has some nerve, amongst all the corruption/cronyism etc. Staunchly defending Dido's Test and Trace again today, with total lies.

Cameron has/had many failings, but at least there was a semblance of statesmanship ongoing in those days.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:08 pm

salanya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:47 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:54 am S0 they're going ahead with a feasibility study for another of the blonde slug's vanity projects!
Hope it doesn't cost £50+M like he spaffed on the Garden Bridge project.

Couldn't believe that this morning: there's no money to go beyond a 1% pay rise for nurses, the awfulness that is HS2 is running way over budget, they were 'struggling' to pay for poor kids' lunches during term holidays, but let's look into a bridge or tunnel between Scotland and Northern Ireland (hint: there's a reason it hasn't been done yet).

This government has some nerve, amongst all the corruption/cronyism etc. Staunchly defending Dido's Test and Trace again today, with total lies.

Cameron has/had many failings, but at least there was a semblance of statesmanship ongoing in those days.

And add Crossrail coming in 4 years late and £4bn over budget - and they believe they can do this vanity project?

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:11 pm Infrastructure projects almost always run late and over budget - it isn't a reason not to do them. Who cares how much the Jubilee line cost or when it opened now, for example? And before we pretend this is something uniquely British and awful let's not forget the Berlin Airport fiasco.

salanya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:18 pm Paddington: you make a fair point about projects like this over-running in general.

But to announce such a vanity project when you're already overrunning on several others, in the middle of a very difficult economical time with maximum borrowing, whilst often basic infrastructure is (severely) lacking (noting your comments on cycle lanes, and the list goes on), this is just a joke. And not a funny one.

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:22 pm Didn’t someone do a cost analysis for it and calculated for every lorry that used it for the next twenty years it would cost the taxpayer 2k per lorry

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:41 pm

salanya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:18 pm Paddington: you make a fair point about projects like this over-running in general.

But to announce such a vanity project when you're already overrunning on several others, in the middle of a very difficult economical time with maximum borrowing, whilst often basic infrastructure is (severely) lacking (noting your comments on cycle lanes, and the list goes on), this is just a joke. And not a funny one.

Yeah my point was around Crossrail, the tunnel idea is crazy.

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:22 pm Didn’t someone do a cost analysis for it and calculated for every lorry that used it for the next twenty years it would cost the taxpayer 2k per lorry

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:51 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:41 pm

salanya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:18 pm Paddington: you make a fair point about projects like this over-running in general.

But to announce such a vanity project when you're already overrunning on several others, in the middle of a very difficult economical time with maximum borrowing, whilst often basic infrastructure is (severely) lacking (noting your comments on cycle lanes, and the list goes on), this is just a joke. And not a funny one.

Yeah my point was around Crossrail, the tunnel idea is crazy.

And at least with Crossrail they weren't trying to build over/through a massive munitions dump! Oh and radioactive waste too...

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:42 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:22 pm Didn’t someone do a cost analysis for it and calculated for every lorry that used it for the next twenty years it would cost the taxpayer 2k per lorry

By the time that's half-done both Scotland and NI will have left the Union. Let them pay for their own tunnel!

So, by my count: Downing Street failed 19 times to apologise or correct the record, or say the PM would do so.
That was despite the No10 repeatedly admitting his claim had to be "clarified" by the Speaker, and offering absolutely no evidence to suggest it might be true.

No.10 briefing: PM's press sec Allegra Stratton refuses to admit the PM got his facts wrong on how Labour MPs voted on NHS pay. Says the Speaker dealt with the issue and corrected the record. Clear Downing St thinks the PM got it wrong but refusal to own up and correct himself.

Strange scenes at the No 10 lobby briefing as PM's press secretary, Allegra Stratton, refuses to formally accept Johnson misled Commons at PMQs when he – wrongly – said Labour voted against last NS budget. She says as Labour raised a clarification, matter closed. Not sure it is.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:15 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:51 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:41 pm

Yeah my point was around Crossrail, the tunnel idea is crazy.

And at least with Crossrail they weren't trying to build over/through a massive munitions dump! Oh and radioactive waste too...

you've forgotten the mustard gas, they added at the end of WW I. A few shells of that have washed up on beaches too

Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Commons Speaker, has piled pressure on Boris Johnson to correct an untruthful claim made yesterday at PMQs.
Johnson left the chamber immediately after his weekly grilling by MPs, so escaped having to hear a complaint made about him for saying Labour voted against the NHS funding bill.
Today, no doubt after quite a lot of anger from opposition MPs, Hoyle issued a new statement - saying that the onus is on MPs to “correct the record if they make an inaccurate statement to the House”.
He cited the ministerial code, which says MPs should “correct any inadvertent error at the earliest opportunity”.
And he said ministers “must take responsibility for correcting the record if a mistake has been made”. In a hint that a tougher rebuke might follow if the PM did not admit his mistake, Hoyle added:
It is not dishonourable to make a mistake, but to seek to avoid admitting one is a different matter.

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:26 pm Mr Speaker not impressed with our PM lying at PMQ's yestewrday

Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Commons Speaker, has piled pressure on Boris Johnson to correct an untruthful claim made yesterday at PMQs.
Johnson left the chamber immediately after his weekly grilling by MPs, so escaped having to hear a complaint made about him for saying Labour voted against the NHS funding bill.
Today, no doubt after quite a lot of anger from opposition MPs, Hoyle issued a new statement - saying that the onus is on MPs to “correct the record if they make an inaccurate statement to the House”.
He cited the ministerial code, which says MPs should “correct any inadvertent error at the earliest opportunity”.
And he said ministers “must take responsibility for correcting the record if a mistake has been made”. In a hint that a tougher rebuke might follow if the PM did not admit his mistake, Hoyle added:
It is not dishonourable to make a mistake, but to seek to avoid admitting one is a different matter.

No 10 claims PM does not need to apologise for misleading MPs - because his words did not mean what people thought
Today’s Downing Street lobby briefing was another classic for those interested in the extent to which Boris Johnson, and his aides, will do almost anything rather than admit that he has made a mistake.
But now No 10 is saying there is no need to the PM to correct the record - because in fact he was referring to Labour voting against the Queen’s speech, and so he was right all along. Allegra Stratton, the PM’s press secretary, said:

The prime minister was referring to Labour voting against the Queen’s speech in January of last year.

When it was pointed out that in the Commons yesterday Johnson said that Labour had voted against the “document” that Starmer was holding in his hand, Stratton said Labour’s vote against the Queen’s speech was “the basis” for the point Johnson made.

Asked why she had not said this yesterday, she said she had not had time to speak to Johnson between PMQs and the start of yesterday’s lobby briefing. She did not explain why, if Johnson’s account is accurate, there was no attempt to explain that to journalists later in the day.

This new line means Johnson’s won’t he apologising for misleading MPs, or correcting the record, because he has decided he was right all along.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:33 am I see we're off to the voter suppression and disenfranchisement races with the new Republican, I mean Tory, proposal to introduce photo ID requirements for elections.

I'd be surprised at tactics to exclude the poor and minorities from the democratic process, but, well, Tory scum and all that.

Also 10 years in the clink for damaging statues. Jesus.