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Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:15 am
by inactionman
C T wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:17 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:09 am
Holy shit!! She's absolutely delusional!!!
Liz Truss is breaking her silence as she blames a "powerful economic establishment" and her own Conservative Party for her downfall.
The former prime minister says that she stands by her radical policy agenda but "the forces against it were too great" for it to succeed.
https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https:// ... -economy/
She's quite, quite mad.
What she done to the UK economy was so irresponsible that it should carry some form of jail term.
It's ridiculous that a person's name can legitimately appear alongside huge events that have hit us hard. Brexit, Covid, Russian invasion and Liz Truss.
She crashed the economy of course not necessarily down to the crazy ideology, but because they didn't (and couldn't seem to) explain how they would fill the massive hole that the policies would leave.
It's just such negligence.
All driven by an obsession of how little time she had to make her mark in the history books. Destined for greatness, such ego.
Shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a position to do such damage again.
One of the more worrying parts is that she totally ignored the usual check and balance of civil servant advice and went ahead anyway.
Many, many people foresaw the problems of pursuing such an idiotic course of action hot on the heels of covid and an energy and cost of living crisis, and she got very clear warnings. But she went ahead anyway.
As you say, such reckless irresponsibility should really have consequences. If you ignore the advice of pretty much everyone in any senior role, then it's squarely on your head.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:23 am
by dpedin
inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:15 am
C T wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:17 pm
She's quite, quite mad.
What she done to the UK economy was so irresponsible that it should carry some form of jail term.
It's ridiculous that a person's name can legitimately appear alongside huge events that have hit us hard. Brexit, Covid, Russian invasion and Liz Truss.
She crashed the economy of course not necessarily down to the crazy ideology, but because they didn't (and couldn't seem to) explain how they would fill the massive hole that the policies would leave.
It's just such negligence.
All driven by an obsession of how little time she had to make her mark in the history books. Destined for greatness, such ego.
Shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a position to do such damage again.
One of the more worrying parts is that she totally ignored the usual check and balance of civil servant advice and went ahead anyway.
Many, many people foresaw the problems of pursuing such an idiotic course of action hot on the heels of covid and an energy and cost of living crisis, and she got very clear warnings. But she went ahead anyway.
As you say, such reckless irresponsibility should really have consequences. If you ignore the advice of pretty much everyone in any senior role, then it's squarely on your head.
Lance Foreman on R5 this morning with a piece on how Truss was right, everyone else was wrong, she was got at by the 'establishment' and she deserves a second chance! R5 presenters say they have been deluged with listener feedback and are trying to find a single comment from someone who agreed with him, in the interest of impartiality of course, but can't find any! Foreman then suggests he is not surprised at the feedback given all BBC R5 listeners are just left wing woke commies which generates even more listeners feedback telling him he is nuts, which he is of course! These deluded feckers are very very dangerous but at least it would appear the vast majority of R5 listeners now realise this!
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:34 am
by SaintK
dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:23 am
Lance Foreman on R5 this morning with a piece on how Truss was right, everyone else was wrong, she was got at by the 'establishment' and she deserves a second chance! R5 presenters say they have been deluged with listener feedback and are trying to find a single comment from someone who agreed with him, in the interest of impartiality of course, but can't find any! Foreman then suggests he is not surprised at the feedback given all BBC R5 listeners are just left wing woke commies which generates even more listeners feedback telling him he is nuts, which he is of course! These deluded feckers are very very dangerous but at least it would appear the vast majority of R5 listeners now realise this!
He's the cunt who basically blackmailed the London Olympic committee by refusing to accept the very reasonable offer to move his factory outside the Olympic Park area unless they paid him three times the going rate!
His smoked salmon is overpriced crap as well.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:59 am
by tabascoboy
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:07 am
by inactionman
I'm a bit lost by this - the spike in wholesale prices and the trailing 9 month average have long since dropped past peak, why are consumer prices going up?
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:11 am
by Hal Jordan
The newly appointed Energy Minister, Grant Shapps, will be able to tell you, I have no doubt.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:19 am
by tabascoboy
In the latest attempt at moving the deckchairs...
The new appointments announced as part of the PM's mini-reshuffle have also been confirmed in the last few moments.
These are:
Grant Shapps - Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero
Kemi Badenoch - Secretary of State for Business and Trade
Lucy Frazer - Secretary of State for Culture, Media, and Sport
Michelle Donelan - Secretary of State for Science, Innovation and Technology
Greg Hands - new Tory Party chairman
but
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:58 am
by I like neeps
inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:07 am
I'm a bit lost by this - the spike in wholesale prices and the trailing 9 month average have long since dropped past peak, why are consumer prices going up?
Government is withdrawing the support of an artificially lowered cap and payments.
But yes the politics of it looks bad. And the reality will be bad, oh well.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:02 pm
by Hal Jordan
Sunak has backed himself into a corner with Raab. In not getting Raab to temporarily step down pending the results of the enquiry, he's said he stands with him. If he were to shuffle or stand him down now, why didn't he do so back then? If Raab is found to be a bullying shitheel with a peanut for a brain, he backed a bully.
However, like all the other investigations, it will be buried, reviewed, postponed, lost and dead catted until the news cycle has moved on.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:27 pm
by SaintK
Just the faintest whiff of a corrupt appointment
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:09 pm
by sockwithaticket
BP also with record profits of £23b apparently.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:31 pm
by Dinsdale Piranha
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:09 pm
BP also with record profits of £23b apparently.
About as cut and dried a case for a windfall tax as is possible.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:37 pm
by sockwithaticket
Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:31 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:09 pm
BP also with record profits of £23b apparently.
About as cut and dried a case for a windfall tax as is possible.
Yep or some other kind of direct action that caps profiteering. Anything else is simply another egregious act of class warfare from the nasty party.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:14 pm
by SaintK
Bloody hell!! Sunak may have well appointed Jonathan Gullis as head of the Diplomatic Corps at the same.
This won't age well. Give it 3 months before he has to resign for thumping something
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:19 pm
by tabascoboy
SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:14 pm
Bloody hell!! Sunak may have well appointed Jonathan Gullis as head of the Diplomatic Corps at the same.
This won't age well. Give it 3 months before he has to resign for thumping something
I'm sure that he can make the Tory Party operate on a budget of 30p / day - no need for donors
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:01 pm
by fishfoodie
Is he bringing more wingnuts inside the tent, so when he inevitably has to kick out Raab, they're less likely to piss & moan.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:06 am
by dpedin
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:19 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:14 pm
Bloody hell!! Sunak may have well appointed Jonathan Gullis as head of the Diplomatic Corps at the same.
This won't age well. Give it 3 months before he has to resign for thumping something
I'm sure that he can make the Tory Party operate on a budget of 30p / day - no need for donors
Talk about making yourself a hostage to fortune! How much shit is now going to emerge about 30p Lee now - it will all come out of the woodwork. Already seen pics on internet of 30p Lee with right wing nazi nutters and I am sure more will emerge. I give him a couple of months before he is taken down,
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:18 am
by SaintK
dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:06 am
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:19 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:14 pm
Bloody hell!! Sunak may have well appointed Jonathan Gullis as head of the Diplomatic Corps at the same.
This won't age well. Give it 3 months before he has to resign for thumping something
I'm sure that he can make the Tory Party operate on a budget of 30p / day - no need for donors
Talk about making yourself a hostage to fortune! How much shit is now going to emerge about 30p Lee now - it will all come out of the woodwork.
Already seen pics on internet of 30p Lee with right wing nazi nutters and I am sure more will emerge. I give him a couple of months before he is taken down,
What, like these?
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:24 am
by dpedin
SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:18 am
dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:06 am
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:19 pm
I'm sure that he can make the Tory Party operate on a budget of 30p / day - no need for donors
Talk about making yourself a hostage to fortune! How much shit is now going to emerge about 30p Lee now - it will all come out of the woodwork.
Already seen pics on internet of 30p Lee with right wing nazi nutters and I am sure more will emerge. I give him a couple of months before he is taken down,
What, like these?
That'll be it! I wait with interest for the inevitable flood or other photos.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:59 am
by I like neeps
Lee Anderson is a curious chap. An ex miner, ex citizens advice volunteer, long time labour member and even councillor.
Disillusioned in the Corbyn years ... Okay. But how does a long time labour member come to have his extreme right wing views in a short space of time. Even moreso how does a citizens advice volunteer for a decade come to be 30p Lee??
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:11 am
by Paddington Bear
Lots of Labour voters have pretty right wing views on a lot of things? See also: lots of Tory voters love nationalisation.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:17 am
by I like neeps
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:11 am
Lots of Labour voters have pretty right wing views on a lot of things? See also: lots of Tory voters love nationalisation.
No true but he's gone quite extreme on them. Can't see everyone at citizens advice talking about porridge.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:43 am
by Rhubarb & Custard
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:11 am
Lots of Labour voters have pretty right wing views on a lot of things? See also: lots of Tory voters love nationalisation.
Similar thinking to lots of blue collar democratic voters going Trumpy in the USA, people who want to look backwards for solutions to a time when it was easy for white men to get a job and have fairly consistent increases in living standards for white men
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:44 am
by Sandstorm
I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:59 am
ex citizens advice volunteer
So he wasn't even paid for doing it? Maybe he only lasted a week...
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:47 am
by GogLais
I’m starting to think that perhaps Sunak isn’t the best judge of character.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:59 am
by JM2K6
It's more that the Tory talent pool is a puddle and the only "movers and shakers" now are the twats who campaigned on essentially a far right / UKIP / BNP-lite ticket.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:01 pm
by I like neeps
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:43 am
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:11 am
Lots of Labour voters have pretty right wing views on a lot of things? See also: lots of Tory voters love nationalisation.
Similar thinking to lots of blue collar democratic voters going Trumpy in the USA, people who want to look backwards for solutions to a time when it was easy for white men to get a job and have fairly consistent increases in living standards for white men
Yes this is a large part of it. But the cruelty is odd with Anderson is my point. If you spend your life in a social movement on the left and life to those values by being very involved in a lot of good in your local community to then become the culture wars in human form... It's just odd is all. Zeal of the convert I guess.
I guess the dominant binary politics in this country is leans left economically and staunch right culturally and that was how Johnson won and it swept up Anderson totally.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:39 pm
by yermum
So anderson could be some kind of nationalist/socialist hybrid?
must be a pithy acronym it could be shortened to. SONA? NASO?
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:42 pm
by tabascoboy
Zelenskyy's visit to the House during PMQ seems to have put something of a dampener on meaningful policy and performance questions being posed this time - and rather more civility than is usual! I'm sure it can't have been a deliberate ploy from Sunak, now way...well at least we had this
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:07 pm
by Hal Jordan
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:59 am
It's more that the Tory talent pool is a puddle and the only "movers and shakers" now are the twats who campaigned on essentially a far right / UKIP / BNP-lite ticket.
And Sunak is in hock to them from the leadership contest.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:16 pm
by I like neeps
yermum wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:39 pm
So anderson could be some kind of nationalist/socialist hybrid?
must be a pithy acronym it could be shortened to. SONA? NASO?
Another good fishing attempt. You'll get there.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:28 am
by tabascoboy
Christ on a bike...
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:51 am
by SaintK
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:28 am
Christ on a bike...
Off to a terrific start, this is only going to end one way for him and the Tories!!
He gave an interview to BBC Radio Nottingham which, after a discussion about his views of food banks, ended up with Anderson dodging questions about the episode when he staged an encounter with a supporter for a camera crew during an election (the ‘random’ voter was a personal friend) and then asking the station not to broadcast any of the interview at all.
Oh and I had almost forgotten what a thick, nasty witch Patel is
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:15 am
by Hal Jordan
I think it's clear that 30p Lee's actual title is "Minister for Dead Cats".
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:34 am
by Ymx
He’s a proper red meat Tory!
Ironically, originally coming from the festering Labour Party.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:38 am
by I like neeps
Definitely a typical Tory in that his policy ideas are clickbait for the right wing press with no chance of actually being implemented.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:14 pm
by Lobby
SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:51 am
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:28 am
Christ on a bike...
Off to a terrific start, this is only going to end one way for him and the Tories!!
He gave an interview to BBC Radio Nottingham which, after a discussion about his views of food banks, ended up with Anderson dodging questions about the episode when he staged an encounter with a supporter for a camera crew during an election (the ‘random’ voter was a personal friend) and then asking the station not to broadcast any of the interview at all.
Oh and I had almost forgotten what a thick, nasty witch Patel is
Unsurprisingly Tory fanboi and all round cheerleader, Dan Hodges, welcomed 30p Lee’s appointment as a ‘politically astute’ move from Sunak.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:05 pm
by I like neeps
Lobby wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:14 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:51 am
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:28 am
Christ on a bike...
Off to a terrific start, this is only going to end one way for him and the Tories!!
He gave an interview to BBC Radio Nottingham which, after a discussion about his views of food banks, ended up with Anderson dodging questions about the episode when he staged an encounter with a supporter for a camera crew during an election (the ‘random’ voter was a personal friend) and then asking the station not to broadcast any of the interview at all.
Oh and I had almost forgotten what a thick, nasty witch Patel is
Unsurprisingly Tory fanboi and all round cheerleader, Dan Hodges, welcomed 30p Lee’s appointment as a ‘politically astute’ move from Sunak.
I agree with Han Dodges on this one. Anderson is the culture wars bruiser that the Tories just don't have anymore. Braverman got no cut through, Dorries/Patel are gone. Sunak needs a rottweiler to say these outlandish things that Tory politicians come up with every few years to get some nice red meat out. The "red wall" is collapsing, have the leading red wall village idiot figure say nonsense all day to placate the MPs who are already sending their CVs around.
Anderson is Prescott to Sunak's Blair.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:15 pm
by dpedin
I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:05 pm
Lobby wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:14 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:51 am
Off to a terrific start, this is only going to end one way for him and the Tories!!
Oh and I had almost forgotten what a thick, nasty witch Patel is
Unsurprisingly Tory fanboi and all round cheerleader, Dan Hodges, welcomed 30p Lee’s appointment as a ‘politically astute’ move from Sunak.
I agree with Han Dodges on this one. Anderson is the culture wars bruiser that the Tories just don't have anymore. Braverman got no cut through, Dorries/Patel are gone. Sunak needs a rottweiler to say these outlandish things that Tory politicians come up with every few years to get some nice red meat out. The "red wall" is collapsing, have the leading red wall village idiot figure say nonsense all day to placate the MPs who are already sending their CVs around.
Anderson is Prescott to Sunak's Blair.
Jonathan Pie points out on Twitter that 30p Lee sounds just like Jimmy Saville. Close your eyes and listen - it's pretty scary how much they sound alike. Once you've heard it you can't forget it!
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:05 pm
by SaintK
This is going well!
As of today, a source has said, the total number of applications via a central government website, which are then passed on to councils, is slightly below 16,000, indicating a continued lack of public awareness about the new rules.
Voter ID will be used nationally for the first time in the UK outside Northern Ireland at local elections on 4 May, just 12 weeks away. If the current rate of about 5,000 applications a week fails to pick up, that would mean around 75,000 certificates being issued overall, less than 4% of the official estimate of 2 million voters who do not have useable ID.