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Big D wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:11 am

Jock42 wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:45 pm Bradbury got players player of the season award.

Would think he is pissing against the wind in terms of a RWC spot but deserves a training squad call up.

Jock42 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:17 pm I'm back to being unconvinced with Townsend. I fully expect that come October he'll remain the only Scotland coach to not have made the QF.

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:26 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:17 pm I'm back to being unconvinced with Townsend. I fully expect that come October he'll remain the only Scotland coach to not have made the QF.

OTOH, making the QF would be a major feather in his cap and possibly the best ever RWC run for Scotland, given who they're up against.

It's not happening of course, I will remain completely chilled out about the RWC as there is no hope.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:08 am

We were chatting about this a few weeks ago on this thread, the concept of refs coaching players through a game is infuriating. ‘Hands off’ is an acknowledgement a penalty offence has occurred as they are using their hands in the ruck. It’s up to the players to know when the ruck has formed. Equally ‘off your feet’, if a player is off their feet they should know. I recognise of course that it is a very thin line, but maybe discouraging the relentless slowing of ball would help solve many other issues in rugby, most notably the ‘need’ for running clear outs from 10m+ that are a) exceptionally dangerous and b) causing a lot of red cards.

On the other side, shouting ‘back foot’ or shooing players backward is also interfering with the game. Perhaps the offside line needs to be moved back from the ruck (say 1m from hindmost foot or the goal line) as at the moment it is too easy to kill momentum and refs seem unable to see/ref the constant encroachment.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:50 pm

No real surprises. No Bradbury though.

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:49 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:50 pm

No real surprises. No Bradbury though.

No Fraser Brown. No Rory Hutchinson. No player no-one knew was SQ. Which is probably the biggest surprise.

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:34 am

Big D wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:11 am

Jock42 wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 4:45 pm Bradbury got players player of the season award.

Would think he is pissing against the wind in terms of a RWC spot but deserves a training squad call up.

Back row is ridiculously competitive, and with Fagerson and Dempsey in position it will be difficult for Bradbury to make his way back in. Still think he deserves to be in the training squad and play one or two of the warm ups - who knows if he hits the right form at the right time. Currently I'd say the back rows in the RWC squad would be Ritchie, Fagerson, Dempsey, Darge and one of Watson or Crosbie, with Skinner likely in as a lock/6 hybrid (especially because Jonny Gray is most likely out of contention).

Big D wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 6:27 pm Bennett and Hutchison probably could have had a place in the training squad but at 41 players there aren't many who will miss out when it is cut to 33 or what ever the number is given there will be wastage through inevitable injuries and/or suspension.

There might only be a 2 or 3 backs that drop out from those named.

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 7:23 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 6:27 pm Bennett and Hutchison probably could have had a place in the training squad but at 41 players there aren't many who will miss out when it is cut to 33 or what ever the number is given there will be wastage through inevitable injuries and/or suspension.

There might only be a 2 or 3 backs that drop out from those named.

Four SHs named, so Jamie Dobie most likely will drop out.
Five centres, but it's much more competitive - Stafford McDowall is the new name but has been ridiculously good for Glasgow. There is no way they'll all stay in.
Russell and Kinghorn are certainties so will be interesting to see if Hastings stays in.

In the forwards, apparently Johnny Mathews isn't SQ? Can't imagine he'd be left out if he was.

Big D wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:06 pm

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 7:23 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 6:27 pm Bennett and Hutchison probably could have had a place in the training squad but at 41 players there aren't many who will miss out when it is cut to 33 or what ever the number is given there will be wastage through inevitable injuries and/or suspension.

There might only be a 2 or 3 backs that drop out from those named.

Four SHs named, so Jamie Dobie most likely will drop out.
Five centres, but it's much more competitive - Stafford McDowall is the new name but has been ridiculously good for Glasgow. There is no way they'll all stay in.
Russell and Kinghorn are certainties so will be interesting to see if Hastings stays in.

In the forwards, apparently Johnny Mathews isn't SQ? Can't imagine he'd be left out if he was.

Matthews must be SQ, his maw is a weegie.

Dobie and Hastings or Healy will definitely drop out. Maybe a centre or back 3 too.

I'm still not convinced by Steyn at the top level but accept I am in the minority.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:45 am Glasgow leavers

https://glasgowwarriors.org/glasgow-war ... 3-leavers/

I’m a bit surprised that Sam Johnson is being let go

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:45 am Glasgow leavers

https://glasgowwarriors.org/glasgow-war ... 3-leavers/

I’m a bit surprised that Sam Johnson is being let go

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:04 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:45 am Glasgow leavers

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I’m a bit surprised that Sam Johnson is being let go

That is a definite surprise. Will surely get himself a new club. Pretty sure Berghan will as well, purely because he's a TH

robmatic wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:10 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:45 am Glasgow leavers

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I’m a bit surprised that Sam Johnson is being let go

Same for me about Johnson, but I suppose centre is an area of relative strength for Glasgow and it's elsewhere they are short of numbers (e.g. back 3).

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 7:23 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 6:27 pm Bennett and Hutchison probably could have had a place in the training squad but at 41 players there aren't many who will miss out when it is cut to 33 or what ever the number is given there will be wastage through inevitable injuries and/or suspension.

There might only be a 2 or 3 backs that drop out from those named.

Four SHs named, so Jamie Dobie most likely will drop out.
Five centres, but it's much more competitive - Stafford McDowall is the new name but has been ridiculously good for Glasgow. There is no way they'll all stay in.
Russell and Kinghorn are certainties so will be interesting to see if Hastings stays in.

In the forwards, apparently Johnny Mathews isn't SQ? Can't imagine he'd be left out if he was.

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:26 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:10 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:45 am Glasgow leavers

https://glasgowwarriors.org/glasgow-war ... 3-leavers/

I’m a bit surprised that Sam Johnson is being let go

Same for me about Johnson, but I suppose centre is an area of relative strength for Glasgow and it's elsewhere they are short of numbers (e.g. back 3).

he's 4th choice in Glasgow and didn't make the Scotland RWC training squad - his stock has fallen.

Slick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 11:39 am

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:26 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:10 am

Same for me about Johnson, but I suppose centre is an area of relative strength for Glasgow and it's elsewhere they are short of numbers (e.g. back 3).

he's 4th choice in Glasgow and didn't make the Scotland RWC training squad - his stock has fallen.

I don’t understand his demise at all. In all honesty I’d still have him as Scotlands 12.

Jonny Matthew’s has been scoring plenty of tries but I’m not sure his all round game is good enough for the step up.

I don’t think BK will be going as a 10, I’d expect Finn, Hastings and the Irish guy to all go

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 7:11 pm Have just seen that Tom Jordan has copped a 5-week ban and will miss the Challenge Cup final. They went in at the highest level of sanction (10 weeks) on the grounds that it was intentional, and reduced to 5 for remorse etc.

Seems very harsh indeed. Comment already made on Twitter that it’s amazing that this involves foul play on an Irish international by a non-Irish player.

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 8:04 pm

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 7:11 pm Have just seen that Tom Jordan has copped a 5-week ban and will miss the Challenge Cup final. They went in at the highest level of sanction (10 weeks) on the grounds that it was intentional, and reduced to 5 for remorse etc.

Seems very harsh indeed. Comment already made on Twitter that it’s amazing that this involves foul play on an Irish international by a non-Irish player.

But Irish twitter is in meltdown that it's too soft a penalty and he's getting to count Super six games in the suspension. Because none of their players ever get away with anything

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 8:04 pm

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 7:11 pm Have just seen that Tom Jordan has copped a 5-week ban and will miss the Challenge Cup final. They went in at the highest level of sanction (10 weeks) on the grounds that it was intentional, and reduced to 5 for remorse etc.

Seems very harsh indeed. Comment already made on Twitter that it’s amazing that this involves foul play on an Irish international by a non-Irish player.

But Irish twitter is in meltdown that it's too soft a penalty and he's getting to count Super six games in the suspension. Because none of their players ever get away with anything

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 11:57 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 8:04 pm

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 7:11 pm Have just seen that Tom Jordan has copped a 5-week ban and will miss the Challenge Cup final. They went in at the highest level of sanction (10 weeks) on the grounds that it was intentional, and reduced to 5 for remorse etc.

Seems very harsh indeed. Comment already made on Twitter that it’s amazing that this involves foul play on an Irish international by a non-Irish player.

But Irish twitter is in meltdown that it's too soft a penalty and he's getting to count Super six games in the suspension. Because none of their players ever get away with anything

Well, quite. If the ban is a number of weeks, surely it makes no difference whether he counts Super 6 games?

The part I think is harsh is that they started at the top level.

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:04 am

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 11:57 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 8:04 pm

But Irish twitter is in meltdown that it's too soft a penalty and he's getting to count Super six games in the suspension. Because none of their players ever get away with anything

Well, quite. If the ban is a number of weeks, surely it makes no difference whether he counts Super 6 games?

The part I think is harsh is that they started at the top level.

I don’t actually care,I just like watching Irish twitter go into meltdown

Blackmac wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 6:32 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:04 am

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 11:57 pm

Well, quite. If the ban is a number of weeks, surely it makes no difference whether he counts Super 6 games?

The part I think is harsh is that they started at the top level.

I don’t actually care,I just like watching Irish twitter go into meltdown

It's actually incredible how seriously they take it all during their rants as well. I saw one of their Rugby websites with the headline "Murray left in bits after horror tackle", followed by loads of the mad twats suggesting he should be banned for years, and one or two suggesting he should be kicked out of the game altogether to make an example.

Dogbert wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 8:10 pmIt's all of a bit of a moot point anyway since he picked up an injury just before the card.

weegie01 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 9:26 am

Dogbert wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 8:10 pmIt's all of a bit of a moot point anyway since he picked up an injury just before the card.

He felt tweaks in his hamstring but is actually OK.

He is pretty upset about this. He is an aggressive player and has always been a bit close to the edge (and should probably have been carded earlier in the season). But there was no malice and he was just trying to make a tackle he was struggling to get into position to make.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 12:06 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 11:39 am

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:26 am

he's 4th choice in Glasgow and didn't make the Scotland RWC training squad - his stock has fallen.

I don’t understand his demise at all. In all honesty I’d still have him as Scotlands 12.

Jonny Matthew’s has been scoring plenty of tries but I’m not sure his all round game is good enough for the step up.

I don’t think BK will be going as a 10, I’d expect Finn, Hastings and the Irish guy to all go

We've taken two tens to the last three world cups, I think we'll take Finn and Hastings with BK as the "break glass in case of emergency" cover - he may well be first choice fullback by September.
Healy will have his chance to state his case over the summer, so he may make the squad. In any event with the competition being in France an injury replacement can be there in a matter of hours.

robmatic wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 10:01 am

weegie01 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 9:26 am

Dogbert wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 8:10 pmIt's all of a bit of a moot point anyway since he picked up an injury just before the card.

He felt tweaks in his hamstring but is actually OK.

He is pretty upset about this. He is an aggressive player and has always been a bit close to the edge (and should probably have been carded earlier in the season). But there was no malice and he was just trying to make a tackle he was struggling to get into position to make.

Yeah, fair to say this will be a learning experience for him in his first season of playing at the top level. He didn't seem to be moving across comfortably to make the tackle anyway