clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:47 am
Mr Healy starting 10 for a team that beats Leinster. No bad.
... AND winning at the Giro d'Italia on the same weekend! Talented guy.
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon May 15, 2023 9:24 am
by vball
Caley Reds match - Certainly was a good day. A great win for Caley. Spectator numbers down on a good Highland home gate but seemed to be enjoyed by all.
Thanks for posting my photo too !!
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon May 15, 2023 10:26 am
by Jock42
Haha no bother and congrats.
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Wed May 17, 2023 10:47 am
by Jock42
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If anyone was in doubt about Kinghorn's first choice position moving forward.
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Wed May 17, 2023 12:12 pm
by westport
Fraser Brown has put pen to paper on a contract extension with Glasgow Warriors
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Wed May 17, 2023 1:19 pm
by mos_eisely_
Jock42 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:47 am
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If anyone was in doubt about Kinghorn's first choice position moving forward.
Let's see what a new Head Coach thinks
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Wed May 17, 2023 2:51 pm
by Slick
Jock42 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:47 am
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If anyone was in doubt about Kinghorn's first choice position moving forward.
If they really think that then the lad is in a tough position as Toony has again made it clear he is only considering him in the back 3 as a starter
Jock42 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:47 am
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If anyone was in doubt about Kinghorn's first choice position moving forward.
Let's see what a new Head Coach thinks
There's also a big drop-off between Boffelli and the young lads behind him at 15. I'd still imagine Kinghorn playing there more than either of Paterson or Sweeney.
Jock42 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:47 am
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If anyone was in doubt about Kinghorn's first choice position moving forward.
If they really think that then the lad is in a tough position as Toony has again made it clear he is only considering him in the back 3 as a starter
After almost 100 pro games at fullback I think Kinghorn probably doesn't actually need to be playing there week in week out to remain in consideration for Toony.
Jock42 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:47 am
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If anyone was in doubt about Kinghorn's first choice position moving forward.
If they really think that then the lad is in a tough position as Toony has again made it clear he is only considering him in the back 3 as a starter
I mean Toony and Blair were the ones who decided to move him to 10 in the first place.
I'd not pay much attention to the graphic from the marketing team fyi. There's not even a permenant coach in place yet.
They were, but Toony has obviously decided he wants him in the back 3.
At fear of going over very old ground, the guy is a stunning player in many positions but has too many flaws in all of them to be a first pick for the national team in any of them. IMO, of course.
I do love him coming off the bench though
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Wed May 17, 2023 6:20 pm
by Tichtheid
I'm not going to get too uptight about where Kinghorn is listed, I'd want him in my side and there are going to be many opportunities for him, Healy and Savala to play ten over the coming years. New Zealand and Australia don't get hung up on the number on the jersey as much as we do.
I thought Healy looked pretty good for the time he was fit last weekend.
I can't help but think we might be missing an opportunity if Sam Johnson is being let go from Glasgow, he doesn't have to be better than Tuipulotu, he needs to be better than Dean, Lang and, at time of writing, Cammy Scott.
Dean is our best inside centre when he's on song, but Johnson has proved himself at international level.
I'd like to see Healy at 10, Kinghorn at 12, Currie at 13, Duhan at 11, just for height of them
Not the worst thing if we have some actual rivalries in Scottish rugby.
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 8:00 am
by clydecloggie
Contract extension for Chuckles, the man who never smiles ((c) Ryan Wilson).
Fraser Brown staying at Scotstoun and by the sounds of it has plans to give it his all for Glasgow after his Scotland snub.
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 9:58 am
by Slick
It has only just dawned on me that the game tomorrow night is only on BT, which is disappointing
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 11:07 am
by Dogbert
Quite a nice day in Dublin today
Seen a good few warriors jerseys already around the streets today, so looks like we may have brought over a reasonable support
Atmosphere building nicely - but Jesus , Dublin's not cheap these days
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 11:12 am
by Tichtheid
Dogbert wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 11:07 am
Quite a nice day in Dublin today
Seen a good few warriors jerseys already around the streets today, so looks like we may have brought over a reasonable support
Atmosphere building nicely - but Jesus , Dublin's not cheap these days
I haven't been since the days when we were spending punts and it was very expensive back then.
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 11:13 am
by Tichtheid
Teams oot
Glasgow Warriors team to face Toulon at the Aviva Stadium, Friday 19 May, kick-off 8pm. Follow all the match live on BT Sport or our Live Match Centre at glasgowwarriors.org.
1 Jamie Bhatti (88)
2 Fraser Brown (140)
3 Zander Fagerson (127)
4 JP du Preez (24)
5 Scott Cummings (105)
6 Matt Fagerson (94)
7 Sione Vailanu (19)
8 Jack Dempsey (38)
9 George Horne (98)
10 Domingo Miotti (19)
11 Kyle Steyn (C) (64)
12 Sione Tuipulotu
13 Huw Jones (58)
14 Sebastián Cancelliere (24)
15 Ollie Smith (32)
Replacements
16 Johnny Matthews (49)
17 Nathan McBeth (23)
18 Simon Berghan (32)
19 Richie Gray (100)
20 Lewis Bean (39)
21 Rory Darge (31)
22 Ali Price (129)
23 Stafford McDowall (56)
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 11:16 am
by Tichtheid
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 11:28 am
by SomersetJock
Dogbert wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 11:07 am
Quite a nice day in Dublin today
Seen a good few warriors jerseys already around the streets today, so looks like we may have brought over a reasonable support
Atmosphere building nicely - but Jesus , Dublin's not cheap these days
Really looking forward to my surprise birthday trip to Dublin this weekend, such a shame the Mrs booked it so we travel over on Saturday
It's good to see Cornell du Preez still going strong. One of my favourite players at Embra over the years.
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 12:41 pm
by Dogbert
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 11:13 am
Teams oot
Glasgow Warriors team to face Toulon at the Aviva Stadium, Friday 19 May, kick-off 8pm. Follow all the match live on BT Sport or our Live Match Centre at glasgowwarriors.org.
1 Jamie Bhatti (88)
2 Fraser Brown (140)
3 Zander Fagerson (127)
4 JP du Preez (24)
5 Scott Cummings (105)
6 Matt Fagerson (94)
7 Sione Vailanu (19)
8 Jack Dempsey (38)
9 George Horne (98)
10 Domingo Miotti (19)
11 Kyle Steyn (C) (64)
12 Sione Tuipulotu
13 Huw Jones (58)
14 Sebastián Cancelliere (24)
15 Ollie Smith (32)
Replacements
16 Johnny Matthews (49)
17 Nathan McBeth (23)
18 Simon Berghan (32)
19 Richie Gray (100)
20 Lewis Bean (39)
21 Rory Darge (31)
22 Ali Price (129)
23 Stafford McDowall (56)
Some big calls, specifically in the forwards , but some people were always going to miss out -
Is Turner injured ?, Haven't seen any announcements.
Not really surprises on Darge being on the bench - Vailanu has been a real wrecking ball this year , and I'm sure Darge will get a decent spell in the second half
Du Preez over Gray, again a tight call.
Looks like stafford is covering 10 - a bold call , but probably correct
In Franco we Trust
Bring them on...
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 7:27 pm
by KingBlairhorn
Oh dear, Glasgow done already? Very disappointing.
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 8:18 pm
by Blackmac
KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 7:27 pm
Oh dear, Glasgow done already? Very disappointing.
Who would have guessed that a Scottish team
would fail to show any composure under pressure.
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 8:30 pm
by dkm57
Grim
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 9:03 pm
by Yr Alban
So, to sum up Glasgow’s season, pretty good until it came down to the games that really mattered, and then it went to pieces a bit. That could really be said of all Scottish sides recently. Hopefully they learn from this, but disappointing.
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 10:09 pm
by fishfoodie
Yr Alban wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 9:03 pm
So, to sum up Glasgow’s season, pretty good until it came down to the games that really mattered, and then it went to pieces a bit. That could really be said of all Scottish sides recently. Hopefully they learn from this, but disappointing.
Before Munsters first win in the HEC they brought in a few Irish Sportsmen who'd experience of success, to pick their brains, & try & improve the mentality of the Province & the squad, after a number of nearlys; I think the Scottish team could do something similar.
Munster brought in Roy Keane, who stressed driving standards of everyone, & calling other players out who weren't fully committed; & then there was Harrington, probably the polar opposite of Keano in personality, but also looking for perfection, but who'd been 2nd on like 20+ occasions before he got his first PGA win, & stressed the learning from every failure, & incrementally moving forward, & mentally becoming stronger from every time he got close, but was that 1% behind the winner.
Glasgow are better than they showed this evening, but the Scottish teams have it in them to get themselves into more Semis & Finals over the next few years. They can take advantage of the issues down South, & strengthen their sides.
Yr Alban wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 9:03 pm
So, to sum up Glasgow’s season, pretty good until it came down to the games that really mattered, and then it went to pieces a bit. That could really be said of all Scottish sides recently. Hopefully they learn from this, but disappointing.
Before Munsters first win in the HEC they brought in a few Irish Sportsmen who'd experience of success, to pick their brains, & try & improve the mentality of the Province & the squad, after a number of nearlys; I think the Scottish team could do something similar.
Munster brought in Roy Keane, who stressed driving standards of everyone, & calling other players out who weren't fully committed; & then there was Harrington, probably the polar opposite of Keano in personality, but also looking for perfection, but who'd been 2nd on like 20+ occasions before he got his first PGA win, & stressed the learning from every failure, & incrementally moving forward, & mentally becoming stronger from every time he got close, but was that 1% behind the winner.
Glasgow are better than they showed this evening, but the Scottish teams have it in them to get themselves into more Semis & Finals over the next few years. They can take advantage of the issues down South, & strengthen their sides.
I liked that thing I heard about Roy Keane, he said to be early is to be on time, to be on time is to be late and to be late is fucking unacceptable. It just cuts straight to the heart of what professional athletes should be about in terms of preparation.
We've lacked that in Scotland, we've had players come in from New Zealand Super Rugby and be gobsmacked that there isn't a full time coach for the mental preparations, we've had coaches come in an be slacked-jawed that we don't have a throwing coach for the hookers, in many ways we are still learning how to be professional, but things are improving, slowly.
I think Scotland have had Chris Hoy in, along with a couple of others. If our players had the drive of Andy Murray we'd get somewhere, too many have accepted mediocrity as the norm, many of our fans talk our players up, but there aren't many other teams saying "I wish he played for us" - none of our pack makes it into a Team of the 6N, Watson was knocking on the door pre-Lions but that's about it.
When it came to brass tacks, Glasgow were undone by a hard-bitten Munster performance and a Toulon pack which, in all honesty, man for man, they should have beaten, but didn't. The two hard bastards, Wilson and Harley, have left.
Edinburgh always under-deliver for the squad that is there, there is a very soft underbelly that only takes a little tickle and the whole team unravels.
Our players need to be able to execute under the hottest, most keenly fought parts of the game. I'm not a pro sports coach so I don't know how you get players to kick on from where they are, but the GB cycling approach was many tiny improvements, Woodward was all about the top two inches, TCUP etc. I think we have two teams with the potential to compete at the sharp end of the season, but not as things stand, not until we stop making error upon error when our systems get stressed.
Yr Alban wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 9:03 pm
So, to sum up Glasgow’s season, pretty good until it came down to the games that really mattered, and then it went to pieces a bit. That could really be said of all Scottish sides recently. Hopefully they learn from this, but disappointing.
Before Munsters first win in the HEC they brought in a few Irish Sportsmen who'd experience of success, to pick their brains, & try & improve the mentality of the Province & the squad, after a number of nearlys; I think the Scottish team could do something similar.
Munster brought in Roy Keane, who stressed driving standards of everyone, & calling other players out who weren't fully committed; & then there was Harrington, probably the polar opposite of Keano in personality, but also looking for perfection, but who'd been 2nd on like 20+ occasions before he got his first PGA win, & stressed the learning from every failure, & incrementally moving forward, & mentally becoming stronger from every time he got close, but was that 1% behind the winner.
Glasgow are better than they showed this evening, but the Scottish teams have it in them to get themselves into more Semis & Finals over the next few years. They can take advantage of the issues down South, & strengthen their sides.
I liked that thing I heard about Roy Keane, he said to be early is to be on time, to be on time is to be late and to be late is fucking unacceptable. It just cuts straight to the heart of what professional athletes should be about in terms of preparation.
We've lacked that in Scotland, we've had players come in from New Zealand Super Rugby and be gobsmacked that there isn't a full time coach for the mental preparations, we've had coaches come in an be slacked-jawed that we don't have a throwing coach for the hookers, in many ways we are still learning how to be professional, but things are improving, slowly.
Agree with all that. I did say that it was probably a year too early for Glasgow and yes it is very much about the mental side now, it has to come from the individual with guidance from the coaches and it has to start way before they become pro. You need the determination to push yourself to become the best you can be, raw natural talent only goes so far and in the end a journeyman with the right attitude will kick their @rse in the end.
I think Scotland have had Chris Hoy in, along with a couple of others. If our players had the drive of Andy Murray we'd get somewhere, too many have accepted mediocrity as the norm, many of our fans talk our players up, but there aren't many other teams saying "I wish he played for us" - none of our pack makes it into a Team of the 6N, Watson was knocking on the door pre-Lions but that's about it.
When it came to brass tacks, Glasgow were undone by a hard-bitten Munster performance and a Toulon pack which, in all honesty, man for man, they should have beaten, but didn't. The two hard bastards, Wilson and Harley, have left.
Edinburgh always under-deliver for the squad that is there, there is a very soft underbelly that only takes a little tickle and the whole team unravels.
Our players need to be able to execute under the hottest, most keenly fought parts of the game. I'm not a pro sports coach so I don't know how you get players to kick on from where they are, but the GB cycling approach was many tiny improvements, Woodward was all about the top two inches, TCUP etc. I think we have two teams with the potential to compete at the sharp end of the season, but not as things stand, not until we stop making error upon error when our systems get stressed.
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 10:37 am
by Yr Alban
To be fair, Glasgow were more undone by the red card v Munster than by the Munster performance. Still self inflicted though. And the ban affected the team for the final.
Scotland has adjusted to the pro game incredibly poorly, which led to a long period of losing serially at Test and Euro level, which led to a generation of players who simply didn’t back themselves at that level. It is improving, slowly, but we still have a whole lot of catching up to do.
PS: I have to admit a great deal of schadenfreude at the fact that Leinster, who are supposed to be the ultra-pros who are far too good for everyone else and have all of this stuff down, have choked twice in big games in the space of a week and totally blown their season.
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 11:59 am
by Slick
On the up side is anyone feeling just a tiny bit better about playing Ireland in the WC?
Their front row is looking on the way down and refs are pinging them for the shenanigans. The murder they get away with at breakdowns is now slowly being picked up and if they get reffed properly will really upset their game. And their backs look to be like they are becoming far less effective.
Possibly clutching at straws but there are cracks appearing imo
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 12:48 pm
by Yr Alban
Slick wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 11:59 am
On the up side is anyone feeling just a tiny bit better about playing Ireland in the WC?
Their front row is looking on the way down and refs are pinging them for the shenanigans. The murder they get away with at breakdowns is now slowly being picked up and if they get reffed properly will really upset their game. And their backs look to be like they are becoming far less effective.
Possibly clutching at straws but there are cracks appearing imo
They are looking less invincible than they were. The bottom line is that Scotland were able to contain them in our 6N game for about 50 minutes. We just need to do that for 80 (big ask I know).
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 2:18 pm
by SaintK
Slick wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 11:59 am
On the up side is anyone feeling just a tiny bit better about playing Ireland in the WC?
Their front row is looking on the way down and refs are pinging them for the shenanigans. The murder they get away with at breakdowns is now slowly being picked up and if they get reffed properly will really upset their game. And their backs look to be like they are becoming far less effective.
Possibly clutching at straws but there are cracks appearing imo
Took Peyper far too long to pick up on it yesterday. When he did they looked quite ordinary.
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 6:47 pm
by I like neeps
Porter is started to get noticed with his unique views on what straight means at scrum time too.
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 9:30 pm
by Slick
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 8:41 pm
Lads I was supporting Glasgow. I'll rethink that next time yiz bitter cunts. No wonder you and Munster don't get on. Peas in a bitter pod
Sadly it’s all over the media now, no way the refs are going to let it go in the WC. It’s been fun though
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 9:31 pm
by Slick
I like neeps wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 6:47 pm
Porter is started to get noticed with his unique views on what straight means at scrum time too.
Absolutely, he can’t scrummage and Furlong is done
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon May 22, 2023 8:14 am
by clydecloggie
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 9:44 pm
I'll butt out now but God I am going to remember this when we skull fuck you in a few months
Easy there ER2. This is just the usual glimmer-of-hope phase us Scots go through at this point in the RWC cycle. The fertile part of our cycle, so to speak, where we spawn unlikely scenarios of glory like a frog in spring. We'll still bleed when it matters, as always.
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon May 22, 2023 8:17 am
by Slick
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 9:44 pm
I'll butt out now but God I am going to remember this when we skull fuck you in a few months
I know, I know
Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon May 22, 2023 9:29 am
by Biffer
Some of these Irish fellas really take the bait every time, eh.
