If they can fix the littering issues that would be an immediate win, although I appreciate it's not just proving more bins etc but changing the culture of lazy sods who don't give a shit. On that point, maybe I'm being harsh on the branding bit, as perhaps a rebrand can get both locals and visitors to respect the environment a bit more - although I'm not holding my breath.
I'm afraid they're shit out of luck with regards to excessive visitor numbers though - in many ways it's a victim of its own success, and the only solution I can see is to try to distribute visitors a bit more, by advertising/renovating/developing facilities for relatively unvisited areas of the park.
She seems to want to take on second home ownership and the broader challenges about sustainable communities, which is something that has been a real problem for many decades, but it is bloody hard (it's a complicated issue and any 'fixes' are complex, hard and require joined up governmental directive) and I'd query a park authority's ability to tackle it. They can e.g. influence government policy (indeed, they should), but it's so much bigger than national parks.
Most of my Welsh speaking friends fully support it - along with Yr Wyddfa
Can't say I blame them
Good idea doing it but the stuff about burning beacons is a bit OTT. As regards priorities, I’d hope a CEO can handle more than one thing at a time.
I'm going to take a punt and assume they haven't got a bottomless budget or limitless resource.
Well no I’m sure they don’t. I know it’s won’t make a huge difference to anything but I’m glad it’s been done.
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:28 am
by Jock42
inactionman wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:22 am
If they can fix the littering issues that would be an immediate win, although I appreciate it's not just proving more bins etc but changing the culture of lazy sods who don't give a shit. On that point, maybe I'm being harsh on the branding bit, as perhaps a rebrand can get both locals and visitors to respect the environment a bit more - although I'm not holding my breath.
From the interview I saw they don't provide any bins at all and won't be. It seems counterintuitive to me but perhaps they find there is less mess if people don't have a place to dump their rubbish in the first place and leave it to overflow.
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:28 am
by GogLais
inactionman wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:22 am
If they can fix the littering issues that would be an immediate win, although I appreciate it's not just proving more bins etc but changing the culture of lazy sods who don't give a shit. On that point, maybe I'm being harsh on the branding bit, as perhaps a rebrand can get both locals and visitors to respect the environment a bit more - although I'm not holding my breath.
I'm afraid they're shit out of luck with regards to excessive visitor numbers though - in many ways it's a victim of its own success, and the only solution I can see is to try to distribute visitors a bit more, by advertising/renovating/developing facilities for relatively unvisited areas of the park.
She seems to want to take on second home ownership and the broader challenges about sustainable communities, which is something that has been a real problem for many decades, but it is bloody hard (it's a complicated issue and any 'fixes' are complex, hard and require joined up governmental directive) and I'd query a park authority's ability to tackle it. They can e.g. influence government policy (indeed, they should), but it's so much bigger than national parks.
I agree with all this, changing the kit doesn’t make the team play better.
inactionman wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:22 am
If they can fix the littering issues that would be an immediate win, although I appreciate it's not just proving more bins etc but changing the culture of lazy sods who don't give a shit. On that point, maybe I'm being harsh on the branding bit, as perhaps a rebrand can get both locals and visitors to respect the environment a bit more - although I'm not holding my breath.
From the interview I saw they don't provide any bins at all and won't be. It seems counterintuitive to me but perhaps they find there is less mess if people don't have a place to dump their rubbish in the first place and leave it to overflow.
Bee in bonnet time - if they’ve carried a full can there they should be ffykin well able to carry an empty one home.
inactionman wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:22 am
If they can fix the littering issues that would be an immediate win, although I appreciate it's not just proving more bins etc but changing the culture of lazy sods who don't give a shit. On that point, maybe I'm being harsh on the branding bit, as perhaps a rebrand can get both locals and visitors to respect the environment a bit more - although I'm not holding my breath.
From the interview I saw they don't provide any bins at all and won't be. It seems counterintuitive to me but perhaps they find there is less mess if people don't have a place to dump their rubbish in the first place and leave it to overflow.
I can see a logic, but my reservation is that responsible people will be responsible and lazy people will be lazy.
inactionman wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:22 am
If they can fix the littering issues that would be an immediate win, although I appreciate it's not just proving more bins etc but changing the culture of lazy sods who don't give a shit. On that point, maybe I'm being harsh on the branding bit, as perhaps a rebrand can get both locals and visitors to respect the environment a bit more - although I'm not holding my breath.
From the interview I saw they don't provide any bins at all and won't be. It seems counterintuitive to me but perhaps they find there is less mess if people don't have a place to dump their rubbish in the first place and leave it to overflow.
Bee in bonnet time - if they’ve carried a full can there they should be ffykin well able to carry an empty one home.
I don't disagree and I'm quite happy to carry my rubbish home. Although do get frustrated with the lack of dog shite bins.
inactionman wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:22 am
If they can fix the littering issues that would be an immediate win, although I appreciate it's not just proving more bins etc but changing the culture of lazy sods who don't give a shit. On that point, maybe I'm being harsh on the branding bit, as perhaps a rebrand can get both locals and visitors to respect the environment a bit more - although I'm not holding my breath.
From the interview I saw they don't provide any bins at all and won't be. It seems counterintuitive to me but perhaps they find there is less mess if people don't have a place to dump their rubbish in the first place and leave it to overflow.
Bee in bonnet time - if they’ve carried a full can there they should be ffykin well able to carry an empty one home.
Absolutely - it's not exactly asking much of them.
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:33 am
by Slick
inactionman wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:22 am
If they can fix the littering issues that would be an immediate win, although I appreciate it's not just proving more bins etc but changing the culture of lazy sods who don't give a shit. On that point, maybe I'm being harsh on the branding bit, as perhaps a rebrand can get both locals and visitors to respect the environment a bit more - although I'm not holding my breath.
I'm afraid they're shit out of luck with regards to excessive visitor numbers though - in many ways it's a victim of its own success, and the only solution I can see is to try to distribute visitors a bit more, by advertising/renovating/developing facilities for relatively unvisited areas of the park.
She seems to want to take on second home ownership and the broader challenges about sustainable communities, which is something that has been a real problem for many decades, but it is bloody hard (it's a complicated issue and any 'fixes' are complex, hard and require joined up governmental directive) and I'd query a park authority's ability to tackle it. They can e.g. influence government policy (indeed, they should), but it's so much bigger than national parks.
I watched an interesting scenario play out on the beach on Sunday regarding littering and lazy cunts. There was a big bin with a lid which people were using for rubbish and bagged dog shit. One bloke (Irish) came along and just lobbed his bag of dog shit on to of the lid and walked off, 2 hours later there were about 8 bags of dog shit on the lid as people copied it. So depressing.
inactionman wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:22 am
If they can fix the littering issues that would be an immediate win, although I appreciate it's not just proving more bins etc but changing the culture of lazy sods who don't give a shit. On that point, maybe I'm being harsh on the branding bit, as perhaps a rebrand can get both locals and visitors to respect the environment a bit more - although I'm not holding my breath.
From the interview I saw they don't provide any bins at all and won't be. It seems counterintuitive to me but perhaps they find there is less mess if people don't have a place to dump their rubbish in the first place and leave it to overflow.
I can see a logic, but my reservation is that responsible people will be responsible and lazy people will be lazy.
True, but I think in most cases providing a bin just makes more people lazy. I've seen it plenty of times in the Pentlands where huge amounts of rubbish is left near overflowing bins which I think a lot of people would take home if there was no option.
Jock42 wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:28 am
From the interview I saw they don't provide any bins at all and won't be. It seems counterintuitive to me but perhaps they find there is less mess if people don't have a place to dump their rubbish in the first place and leave it to overflow.
I can see a logic, but my reservation is that responsible people will be responsible and lazy people will be lazy.
True, but I think in most cases providing a bin just makes more people lazy. I've seen it plenty of times in the Pentlands where huge amounts of rubbish is left near overflowing bins which I think a lot of people would take home if there was no option.
This really, the lazy/filthy won’t use bins anyway.
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:46 pm
by Enzedder
This is mainly for Kiwis but others may be interested - I have come across a great NZ Rugby history site
This collection celebrates rugby in New Zealand as it has been seen onscreen: from classic bios and tour docos, to social history, dramas and protest. In the accompanying backgrounders, broadcaster Keith Quinn looks at the on air history of rugby in NZ; and playwright David Geary asks if rugby is a religion, and argues it is a good test of character.
Do we have a; "What would you get it you won the lottery" thread ?
After watching a few of this guys videos, a few Highlands is definitely on the list; fabulous temperament, & it looks like looking after them is therapeutic; they'd certainly be pets, & not cattle.
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:50 pm
by Kiwias
Slick wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:35 am
True, but I think in most cases providing a bin just makes more people lazy. I've seen it plenty of times in the Pentlands where huge amounts of rubbish is left near overflowing bins which I think a lot of people would take home if there was no option.
This. I developed a 40,000sqm park for local residents and as the home ground for my rugby club and we deliberately did not install rubbish bins. In their place, we have a small notice stating that the absence of rubbish bins is an indication that we desire all users to take all their rubbish home.
It has worked really well and there has been effectively zero rubbish in the subsequent 20 years.
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:58 pm
by Happyhooker
Re the brecons or whatever they're calling it, it will always be a place of hatred for me, I've run over it too many times carrying heavy shit.
But yes, the binless point has been proven to work. I realise japan is culturally different, but they don't have street bins.
An acquaintance runs a large estate for the NT. The house is charged to visit, but the gardens aren't and picnickers were causing a massive litter problem.
They replaced the bins with larger ones, but because of an administrative fuck up, there was a month between the original bins being removed and the new ones arriving. Pretty much everyone came back to the house with their rubbish asking where they should put it
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:50 pm
by tabascoboy
the first comment "Heard his wife complained he had no wood."
the first comment "Heard his wife complained he had no wood."
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:11 am
by Niegs
The laugh is the best!
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:35 am
by Kiwias
And the wave at the end.
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:24 am
by Niegs
Rugby: “Thou shalt not criticise the referee.”
Hockey: @$%!
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:48 am
by tabascoboy
What does Ireland know about Belgium that the rest of us don't?
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:15 pm
by Enzedder
South Africa’s record in the World Cup since 1995:
1999: knocked out by Australia.
2003: knocked out by New Zealand
2007: didn’t play Australia or New Zealand in the KO stages. Won.
2011: knocked out by Australia.
2015: knocked out by New Zealand.
2019: didn’t play Australia or New Zealand in the KO stages. Won.
SA have failed to beat those two teams in the KO stages of the tournament in the professional era. They are also the only champions to play Tier 2 nations in the QF of every tournament they’ve won.
#RugbyFunfacts
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 9:19 am
by fishfoodie
tabascoboy wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:48 am
What does Ireland know about Belgium that the rest of us don't?
Bruges
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 9:59 am
by Slick
Nice FF, nice.
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:32 am
by Kiwias
A refreshing approach to problems with parents abusing referees at Little League games in a New Jersey town.
Anzac Day yesterday. Would've also been my mum's 82nd birthday, so bittersweet.
Her father, who she didn't meet until she was 3 years old, fought in North Africa and France in WWII, and was so traumatised he was given ECT upon his return home.
My paternal grandfather was at Gallipoli. As was his brother, who was gassed and spent the rest of his short life being moved around in search of "the best air". He ended up on a Pacific island, but I can't remember which.
Sorry, just felt like sharing... Mum and I talked a lot about how much luckier and better off materially our generations are than theirs were, and how much they sacrificed which enabled that to happen.
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 6:20 am
by Kiwias
Gumboot
War exacts a terrible toll on so many people. But humans have never been able to renounce war totally. Bloody stupid beings.
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:23 am
by Gumboot
Kiwias,
No question, war is human nature at its very worst.
S/Lt_Phillips wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:01 am
My Brashers are falling apart and need replaced after 10 years, and based on the intel above, I won't be buying a new pair of Brashers. TBH I'm not sure I would have anyway, as while they were comfortable, the waterproofing stopped working 2 or 3 years ago, and I would have expected a decent pair to last more than 10 years (I bag a handful of Munros each year, but I'm probably not out more than once a month on average these days). My previous pair (can't remember the brand) lasted 20 years.
I've always had leather boots, and my default would be to do the same again, but should I consider fabric ones? Lighter, but are they as robust? Will they be as waterproof as leather ones, and will they last as long? Opinions welcome!
I've just bought a pair of leather boots, can't remember the make, for the winter doing munros. My lowas are fabric but I don't mind having wet feet, which I sometimes end up with towards theend of a tab, during the better weather.
Merrells. Was up Geal Chàrn (Monadhliath type) earlier, bit boggy, cleaned them in the river after and feet were fine. There's also pretty light with good ankle support, which is just as well as every part of me seems to break pretty easily these days.
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 8:19 pm
by Niegs
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 9:38 pm
by Guy Smiley
Nick Cave goes up in my estimation every time I read about him.
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Thu May 04, 2023 4:03 pm
by tabascoboy
I've tried a few different brands but as a carnivore they aren't much of a substitute. The cooked texture is generally fine but the taste is really lacking, they don't seem to add any (or enough) herb seasoning for some reason which might help.
Sausage maker Heck cuts vegan range as appetite drops
Sausage company Heck is reducing its range of meat-free products, citing lack of consumer appetite.
The Yorkshire-based firm is shelving production of most of its vegan range of sausages and burgers.
Co-founder Jamie Keeble said shoppers were "not there yet" when it came to buying its vegan products.
The company will now make just two plant-based varieties - chipolatas and burgers - down from its original range of 10.
Heck's decision comes against a backdrop of waning interest in meat-free lines at other firms.
Beyond Meat, which makes a plant-based range including burgers, sausages and chicken, suffered a slump in sales last year, blaming obstacles with consumers around taste, perception of health benefits and price.
And industry giant Nestle said in March it said it would stop selling its Garden Gourmet plant-based vegan brand in UK retailers less than two years after it first appeared on shelves.
Supermarket customers have cut back on meat-replacement products generally, according to research firm NielsenIQ, which reported sales fell by £37.3m in the year to September 2022.
However, market and consumer data provider Statista suggested the meat-substitute market in the UK would grow annually by 17.53% over the next five years.
Heck said it would continue its production of 90,000 vegan sausages per day.
UK consumers still wanted to replace meat with "something that reminds them of meat", Mr Keeble said.
"I think [demand] will come back around," he added. "We had pulses and grains in the products. It was really nutritional but the public wasn't really there yet."
However, it said falling sales of plant-based substitutes did not reflect a broader rejection of vegan options.
"Where there has been a drop in sales, it is not due to a decline in interest in veganism but rather a change in people's spending habits," the society said.
"Many people may be replacing both meat and meat-substitutes with more budget-friendly vegan options in a bid to make savings on their weekly shops," it added.
Last March a survey for IPSOS found 33% of people questioned said the cost of plant-based products was too high, but almost half (46%) said they were considering reducing their intake of meat in the future.
Most meat-free products tended to be vegan, the Vegan Society told the BBC. However, some use egg as a binding agent, making them suitable for vegetarians but not vegans, it said.
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Thu May 04, 2023 4:13 pm
by Raggs
The beyond burgers are quite good, mince isn't bad either. Don't think I'd get them full price, but happy to grab them reduced.
First tried it with a plant mcdonalds (family dragged me there, thought I may as well try something different).
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Thu May 04, 2023 4:17 pm
by tabascoboy
Raggs wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 4:13 pm
The beyond burgers are quite good, mince isn't bad either. Don't think I'd get them full price, but happy to grab them reduced.
First tried it with a plant mcdonalds (family dragged me there, thought I may as well try something different).
Yep, I don't find them terrible but smother them with ketchup and pretend they are pork or beef
Raggs wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 4:13 pm
The beyond burgers are quite good, mince isn't bad either. Don't think I'd get them full price, but happy to grab them reduced.
First tried it with a plant mcdonalds (family dragged me there, thought I may as well try something different).
Yep, I don't find them terrible but smother them with ketchup and pretend they are pork or beef
Chef Neil Rankin has been working on his range for a number of years. Ironic really as he was founder of some of the first the nose to tail open fire cooking restaurants in London, Temper!
Not tried any of the products yet but am told dthey are pretty good https://symplicityfoods.com/
Raggs wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 4:13 pm
The beyond burgers are quite good, mince isn't bad either. Don't think I'd get them full price, but happy to grab them reduced.
First tried it with a plant mcdonalds (family dragged me there, thought I may as well try something different).
Yep, I don't find them terrible but smother them with ketchup and pretend they are pork or beef
Chef Neil Rankin has been working on his range for a number of years. Ironic really as he was founder of some of the first the nose to tail open fire cooking restaurants in London, Temper!
Not tried any of the products yet but am told dthey are pretty good https://symplicityfoods.com/
Sounds interesting though unfortunately not stocked with 20 miles of where I live ( am I in a veggie/vegan desert?!). If I see them though I'll try them, fermenting things does seem to bring out flavour...
Re: Things that don't deserve their own thread
Posted: Thu May 04, 2023 7:31 pm
by Tichtheid
It's easier and healthier to eat vegetables as a vegetarian option than processed meat substitutes, imo.
I eat anything but I have to cook vegan options for others - the money you save on not buying meat goes a lot further on things like top quality tinned tomatoes - best tip I found on these was buy good quality whole tinned tomatoes, not chopped, they add something to allow the chopped version to keep their shape, whole toms are best. You can really taste the difference. Same with good quality pasta.
