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CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:32 pm

EnergiseR wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:53 pm See some lad in HK has been infected with a different strain 4 months apart. Came from Spain so presumably had the Spanish version and then the Chineser version.

I know Raggs and co. have been at pains to point out that you're not immune to a virus, just that you fight it off easily and generally don't shed the virus. This guy was asymptomatic, is it possible he was in the process of fighting it off as normal and wasn't contagious? Anyone want to field this? Are you temporarily positive for a virus that you're 'immune' to while your body kills it?

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:44 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:32 pm

EnergiseR wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:53 pm See some lad in HK has been infected with a different strain 4 months apart. Came from Spain so presumably had the Spanish version and then the Chineser version.

I know Raggs and co. have been at pains to point out that you're not immune to a virus, just that you fight it off easily and generally don't shed the virus. This guy was asymptomatic, is it possible he was in the process of fighting it off as normal and wasn't contagious? Anyone want to field this? Are you temporarily positive for a virus that you're 'immune' to while your body kills it?

The problem is we don't know. That's what efficacy tests are for for the vaccine. Basically, give the vaccine, wait, infect the person. No doubt they'll try multiple strains. And also at multiple intervals (and probably multiple loads).

It's possible that his body was more capable of fighting off this 2nd strain, and that's why he was asymptomatic, the problem is, such a high percentage are asymptomatic anyway, it's tough to tell.

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:12 pm Saw a news report yesterday that a New York hospital thinks they've figured out why ventilators in some cases don't work, where even on ventilators the patients can't get oxygen into the blood stream - it turns out that some patients create a huge number of tiny blood clots in response to Covid that are small enough to gum up the lung oxygen processing function.

I guess this could explain why a group of people still suffer serious after effects, their lungs are still only partially functional.

Fingers-crossed it leads somewhere, a lot is understood about clotting, hopefully science will catch up with the virus enough that even if caught it won't be life-threatening.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:12 pm Saw a news report yesterday that a New York hospital thinks they've figured out why ventilators in some cases don't work, where even on ventilators the patients can't get oxygen into the blood stream - it turns out that some patients create a huge number of tiny blood clots in response to Covid that are small enough to gum up the lung oxygen processing function.

I guess this could explain why a group of people still suffer serious after effects, their lungs are still only partially functional.

Fingers-crossed it leads somewhere, a lot is understood about clotting, hopefully science will catch up with the virus enough that even if caught it won't be life-threatening.

Eh? NY only just figured that out? The rest of us knew that back in May.

No wonder you’re all dying of Covid.

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:44 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:32 pm

EnergiseR wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:53 pm See some lad in HK has been infected with a different strain 4 months apart. Came from Spain so presumably had the Spanish version and then the Chineser version.

I know Raggs and co. have been at pains to point out that you're not immune to a virus, just that you fight it off easily and generally don't shed the virus. This guy was asymptomatic, is it possible he was in the process of fighting it off as normal and wasn't contagious? Anyone want to field this? Are you temporarily positive for a virus that you're 'immune' to while your body kills it?

The problem is we don't know. That's what efficacy tests are for for the vaccine. Basically, give the vaccine, wait, infect the person. No doubt they'll try multiple strains. And also at multiple intervals (and probably multiple loads).

It's possible that his body was more capable of fighting off this 2nd strain, and that's why he was asymptomatic, the problem is, such a high percentage are asymptomatic anyway, it's tough to tell.

Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:04 am It's not cause for alarm, it is what we'd expect, but the fact it was asymptomatic is not sufficient evidence to break out the champers just yet, due to how many infections are asymptomatic in the first place.

It's exactly this reason why I hate the wording "immunity" because that's not what a previous infection, or a vaccine, provides. It provides much greater resistance, but it cannot stop a virus entering your body through some sort of magical shield.

Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:25 am Maybe RR but Usain Bolt tested positive for covid-19

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=us ... &FORM=VIRE

frodder wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:55 am

Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:25 am Maybe RR but Usain Bolt tested positive for covid-19

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=us ... &FORM=VIRE

Subsequently denied and stating he's waiting for the result

EnergiseR wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:06 am

frodder wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:55 am

Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:25 am Maybe RR but Usain Bolt tested positive for covid-19

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=us ... &FORM=VIRE

Subsequently denied and stating he's waiting for the result

Wouldn't be the first positive test he has had to try and bury

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:50 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:44 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:32 pm

I know Raggs and co. have been at pains to point out that you're not immune to a virus, just that you fight it off easily and generally don't shed the virus. This guy was asymptomatic, is it possible he was in the process of fighting it off as normal and wasn't contagious? Anyone want to field this? Are you temporarily positive for a virus that you're 'immune' to while your body kills it?

The problem is we don't know. That's what efficacy tests are for for the vaccine. Basically, give the vaccine, wait, infect the person. No doubt they'll try multiple strains. And also at multiple intervals (and probably multiple loads).

It's possible that his body was more capable of fighting off this 2nd strain, and that's why he was asymptomatic, the problem is, such a high percentage are asymptomatic anyway, it's tough to tell.

That's the basic thrust of this wee thread from a leading professor of immunology at Yale. She says it's a textbook example of how immunity should work. Further work to be done on effects of reinfection.

CM11 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:41 am
So if you've had it you're probably OK for the future but are still contagious, at least that's the assumption that Professor seems to be making. This would fall in with the theory that a lot of the asymptomatic cases are people fighting it off easily due to previous non covid coronavirus infections? But unfortunately means a vaccine will be necessary to protect the vulnerable.

Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:25 am Maybe RR but Usain Bolt tested positive for covid-19

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=us ... &FORM=VIRE

CM11 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:41 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:50 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:44 pm

The problem is we don't know. That's what efficacy tests are for for the vaccine. Basically, give the vaccine, wait, infect the person. No doubt they'll try multiple strains. And also at multiple intervals (and probably multiple loads).

It's possible that his body was more capable of fighting off this 2nd strain, and that's why he was asymptomatic, the problem is, such a high percentage are asymptomatic anyway, it's tough to tell.

That's the basic thrust of this wee thread from a leading professor of immunology at Yale. She says it's a textbook example of how immunity should work. Further work to be done on effects of reinfection.

So if you've had it you're probably OK for the future but are still contagious, at least that's the assumption that Professor seems to be making. This would fall in with the theory that a lot of the asymptomatic cases are people fighting it off easily due to previous non covid coronavirus infections? But unfortunately means a vaccine will be necessary to protect the vulnerable.

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:49 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:41 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:50 am



That's the basic thrust of this wee thread from a leading professor of immunology at Yale. She says it's a textbook example of how immunity should work. Further work to be done on effects of reinfection.

So if you've had it you're probably OK for the future but are still contagious, at least that's the assumption that Professor seems to be making. This would fall in with the theory that a lot of the asymptomatic cases are people fighting it off easily due to previous non covid coronavirus infections? But unfortunately means a vaccine will be necessary to protect the vulnerable.

Pretty sure she says that is one of the areas that needs further work. It’s not clear how infectious a reinfected person would be.

Saint wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:22 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:49 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:41 am

So if you've had it you're probably OK for the future but are still contagious, at least that's the assumption that Professor seems to be making. This would fall in with the theory that a lot of the asymptomatic cases are people fighting it off easily due to previous non covid coronavirus infections? But unfortunately means a vaccine will be necessary to protect the vulnerable.

Pretty sure she says that is one of the areas that needs further work. It’s not clear how infectious a reinfected person would be.

There's a lot of experts out there saying that it's pretty irresponsible to release this stuff by press release, without sharing any of the underlying data for peer review. It means that there is no way for scientists to understand and analyse what's actually happening, whether this person was shedding virus particles, what their antibody levels were, etc. It's good for one thing only - panicing people and making them distrust potential vaccines/cures even further

yermum wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:37 pm how many million infections so far?
one documented reinfection...
I will take my epidemiological pinch of salt and suggest that reinfection is not that likely.

University of Alabama reports 500 cases after classes resume


The University of Alabama (UA) in the US has reported hundreds of cases of the virus since classes resumed last week.

A total of 566 cases have been identified among students and staff since 19 August, university officials say.

“Our challenge is not the students,” local media quoted UA president Stuart Bell as saying on Monday.

“Our challenge is the virus and there’s a difference, folks. What we have to do is identify where does the virus thrive and where does the virus spread and how can we work together with our students, with our faculty and with our staff to make sure that we minimise those places, those incidents."

He added that the university was trying to add to the 450 beds it already had in place for students to quarantine after either testing positive or being exposed to the virus.

More than 20,000 students returned to the university, where in-person classes are held, in the past week for the first time since spring break in March.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:19 pm Suck it Alabama. No masks, no social distancing. Idiots.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:32 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:19 pm Suck it Alabama. No masks, no social distancing. Idiots.

Millions dead.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:34 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:32 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:19 pm Suck it Alabama. No masks, no social distancing. Idiots.

Millions dead.

You said it would never get that high.

Covid-19 can survive on frozen meat and fish for up to three weeks, a study has found, as scientists warn that contaminated food may cause outbreaks.

Individual pieces of salmon, chicken and pork from supermarkets in Singapore were sliced into cubes then a sample of the virus was added to them.

The meat and fish was stored in conditions which simulate those used to transport food between countries - 4C (standard refrigeration temperature) and minus 20C (standard freezing temperature).

Scientists found that infectious Covid-19 was still present on the samples after 21 days.

They are now warning that this may explain outbreaks in countries that have not had any coronavirus cases for long periods - and could lead to future spikes.

The study states: "An explanation is required for the re-emergence of Covid-19 outbreaks in regions with apparent local eradication. Recent outbreaks have emerged in Vietnam, New Zealand and parts of China where there had been no cases for some months.

"Importation of contaminated food and food packaging is a feasible source for such outbreaks and a source of clusters within existing outbreaks.

"While it can be confidently argued that transmission via contaminated food is not a major infection route, the potential for movement of contaminated items to a region with no Covid-19 and initiate an outbreak is an important hypothesis.

"An infected food handler has the potential to become an index case of a new outbreak. The international food market is massive and even a very unlikely event could be expected to occur from time to time."

Frequent hand washing and thorough cleaning of equipment at food processing sites is recommended by the researchers to reduce the chance of Covid-19 spreading this way.


Prof James Wood, head of the Veterinary Medicine department at the University of Cambridge, told The Sunday Telegraph: "The authors discuss, very sensibly, how it is important that factory workers must be incentivised not to go to work when symptomatic or in contact with Covid-19 cases."

The study, which is yet to be peer reviewed, was published on the bioRxiv website here.

laurent wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:32 pm
Last night the coach warned everyone that club captain is positive.

.OverThere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:15 pm I don't think they'll stay open too long.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-53802218

University of Alabama reports 500 cases after classes resume


The University of Alabama (UA) in the US has reported hundreds of cases of the virus since classes resumed last week.

A total of 566 cases have been identified among students and staff since 19 August, university officials say.

“Our challenge is not the students,” local media quoted UA president Stuart Bell as saying on Monday.

“Our challenge is the virus and there’s a difference, folks. What we have to do is identify where does the virus thrive and where does the virus spread and how can we work together with our students, with our faculty and with our staff to make sure that we minimise those places, those incidents."

He added that the university was trying to add to the 450 beds it already had in place for students to quarantine after either testing positive or being exposed to the virus.

More than 20,000 students returned to the university, where in-person classes are held, in the past week for the first time since spring break in March.

laurent wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:32 pm Looks like the complete nut job is Still a posting rubbish.

A quick thing.

My rotten summer keeps going.

Last Friday was the first training at my club.

Last night the coach warned everyone that club captain is positive.

Now I need to be tested and have to worry till I get the results about potentially contaminating my mother, girlfriend, brother and sister in law.

2 of them are at risk if contaminated.

Galtsdrift wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:21 pm Can't believe we blew up the global economy over this

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:24 pm

Galtsdrift wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:21 pm Can't believe we blew up the global economy over this

Thought you had better places to be?

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:28 pm https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEAL ... index.html

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:58 pm

.OverThere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:15 pm I don't think they'll stay open too long.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-53802218

University of Alabama reports 500 cases after classes resume


The University of Alabama (UA) in the US has reported hundreds of cases of the virus since classes resumed last week.

A total of 566 cases have been identified among students and staff since 19 August, university officials say.

“Our challenge is not the students,” local media quoted UA president Stuart Bell as saying on Monday.

“Our challenge is the virus and there’s a difference, folks. What we have to do is identify where does the virus thrive and where does the virus spread and how can we work together with our students, with our faculty and with our staff to make sure that we minimise those places, those incidents."

He added that the university was trying to add to the 450 beds it already had in place for students to quarantine after either testing positive or being exposed to the virus.

More than 20,000 students returned to the university, where in-person classes are held, in the past week for the first time since spring break in March.

And Alabama, along with the rest of the southeastern conference, have refused to postpone their fall sport schedule. Alabama football (The Crimson Tide) will be playing from the end of September, with fans in the stadium (20% full, which is 20,000 fans).