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I didn't believe he posted that, so I went and checked. He did. 5 hours ago. Still not taken it down......Ali Cadoo wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:01 pm Now: like many of you, I needed more proof before I could believe the rumours that Donny was in fact as thick as a whale omelette. Finally, that proof has arrived.
People are sick of crazy. Trump is toastZig wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:35 pm I'm surprised more people watched the Biden townhall. It's a very bad sign for Trump if people aren't even watching to see what crazy/stupid/offensive thing he's going to say next.
Desperation. For all he tweets about positive polling, he knows they've had to pull media from competitive states to store up what should be their bankers. Senators are starting to distance themselves to try and save their own skins. Biden may not be driving down-ticket races, but Trump really is, and on the whole in the wrong direction.Raggs wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:45 pm Now having just read a few of the articles on that site.... seriously? He posted it? Feck me...
Is this true? If so it might send Donny over the edge he does love his ratingsZig wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:35 pm I'm surprised more people watched the Biden townhall. It's a very bad sign for Trump if people aren't even watching to see what crazy/stupid/offensive thing he's going to say next.
sturginho wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:23 pmIs this true? If so it might send Donny over the edge he does love his ratingsZig wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:35 pm I'm surprised more people watched the Biden townhall. It's a very bad sign for Trump if people aren't even watching to see what crazy/stupid/offensive thing he's going to say next.
The shitgibbon is doing so well, that he isn't leading in a single swing State, .. not one !Saint wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:29 pmsturginho wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:23 pmIs this true? If so it might send Donny over the edge he does love his ratingsZig wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:35 pm I'm surprised more people watched the Biden townhall. It's a very bad sign for Trump if people aren't even watching to see what crazy/stupid/offensive thing he's going to say next.
Over a million more watches Biden apparently. Donny's railing about why they don't ask him about Antifa.
QAnon is apparently a concerned anti-paeodophile group. Nothing else about them
I really don't think a gay guy like him offends many people anymore. A flaming gay, quite possibly, but an otherwise totally normal dude (who was in the military of course) who just happens to like cock? Meh. We've moved on.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:18 pmI think his being openly gay is, sadly, but probably correctly, still perceived as too much of a threat to electability. At least to the office of president.Sandstorm wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:16 pm Imagine if the Dems had used their brains and chosen Pete to go up against Trump?
Depends which circles you're in, I don't think the evangelical cadre have suddenly become ok with it (not that they'd be voting blue anyway, I'll grant), and I strongly suspect there's a lot of people who, while they might not openly say anything these days, are at the very least uncomfortable enough still that it would impact how they cast their ballot. As we've seen, it doesn't need to be much of the electorate to have an impact at the polls.Fonz wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:06 pmI really don't think a gay guy like him offends many people anymore. A flaming gay, quite possibly, but an otherwise totally normal dude (who was in the military of course) who just happens to like cock? Meh. We've moved on.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:18 pmI think his being openly gay is, sadly, but probably correctly, still perceived as too much of a threat to electability. At least to the office of president.Sandstorm wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:16 pm Imagine if the Dems had used their brains and chosen Pete to go up against Trump?
But in any case, he'd have gotten killed in the general because blacks were very lukewarm on him. Let's not forget he was cruising in lily-white Iowa and New Hampshire before getting trounced in quite-black South Carolina. A Democrat cannot win a nationwide vote (nevermind the Democrat primary) without strong black support.
If a gay guy ever makes it to the oval office it won't be a white guy guy. Anti-homosexuality may be the one thing that brings a majority of the US together; it will take a black or Hispanic to overcome thatFonz wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:06 pmI really don't think a gay guy like him offends many people anymore. A flaming gay, quite possibly, but an otherwise totally normal dude (who was in the military of course) who just happens to like cock? Meh. We've moved on.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:18 pmI think his being openly gay is, sadly, but probably correctly, still perceived as too much of a threat to electability. At least to the office of president.Sandstorm wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:16 pm Imagine if the Dems had used their brains and chosen Pete to go up against Trump?
But in any case, he'd have gotten killed in the general because blacks were very lukewarm on him. Let's not forget he was cruising in lily-white Iowa and New Hampshire before getting trounced in quite-black South Carolina. A Democrat cannot win a nationwide vote (nevermind the Democrat primary) without strong black support.
Fangle wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:25 amEarly voting is spread over 18 days. And my guess is that of the 1 million only about 60-70% would be of voting age. So your calculations are way off. But you like to be disparaging and aggressive about Americans. I’ll bet that when I go in my wait will be under 15 minutes.JM2K6 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:14 amlolFangle wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:59 pm We have thirty three polling stations in our county which has a total population of about one million, not all which will be of voting age. I would suggest that is plenty.
30,000 people per polling station? That's mad.
In the UK we had ~50,000 polling stations last time out. One for every 1,300 people, roughly. If you live in a city it's likely your polling station options are all within sane walking distance and there's rarely a queue.
17 days in NZ with postal voting having a little longer.Ted. wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:15 amWe're voting this Saturday, in NZ, yet postal voting has been open since September the 30th, while the local polling stations have been open since 3 October. So no, the US is not anything special in that regard. Yet where I am, we have a polling station for every ~2,500 people. How many booths that translates to, I don't know.Un Pilier wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:11 amThe ratios are starkly different to Fangle’s - however, his examples are open for three weeks for early voting? Are there more on Election Day I wonder?Kiwias wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:41 am
Japan had 47,000 polling stations, one for every 2,680, and I’ve never heard of long queues
Should do, but how she wins is still up in the air. Will it be solo, reliant on the greens or somehow reliant on NZF after a Lazarus effort from Winnie
Sinkers wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:57 pm https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54572790
A record 22m voted so far according to the beeb
Having just voted today, I really don't get how the states can do things that badly. I know scale wise it is larger people to process, but if you resource it there shouldn't be an issue.Ted. wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:22 amSinkers wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:57 pm https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54572790
A record 22m voted so far according to the beeb
Those queues though.
Our electoral commission is independent and spends all it's time trying to ensure it's easy for everyone to vote. Which doesn't seem to be the case in the States where much of the effort seems to go into suppressing votes in areas that are unlikely to favor whoever is in power.Monkey Magic wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:52 amHaving just voted today, I really don't get how the states can do things that badly. I know scale wise it is larger people to process, but if you resource it there shouldn't be an issue.Ted. wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:22 amSinkers wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:57 pm https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54572790
A record 22m voted so far according to the beeb
Those queues though.
I can walk in any direction from my house and will hit a polling station at nearly every school or community hall
I forget what I post where as I dabble a bit on both boreds, but somewhere I talked about my mom's husband who's evangelical but mostly liberal. As are 1/4 to 1/3 of Evangelicals. This is an interesting chart. (I know this is a bit of a digression but still)sockwithaticket wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:22 pmDepends which circles you're in, I don't think the evangelical cadre have suddenly become ok with it (not that they'd be voting blue anyway, I'll grant), and I strongly suspect there's a lot of people who, while they might not openly say anything these days, are at the very least uncomfortable enough still that it would impact how they cast their ballot. As we've seen, it doesn't need to be much of the electorate to have an impact at the polls.Fonz wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:06 pmI really don't think a gay guy like him offends many people anymore. A flaming gay, quite possibly, but an otherwise totally normal dude (who was in the military of course) who just happens to like cock? Meh. We've moved on.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:18 pm
I think his being openly gay is, sadly, but probably correctly, still perceived as too much of a threat to electability. At least to the office of president.
But in any case, he'd have gotten killed in the general because blacks were very lukewarm on him. Let's not forget he was cruising in lily-white Iowa and New Hampshire before getting trounced in quite-black South Carolina. A Democrat cannot win a nationwide vote (nevermind the Democrat primary) without strong black support.
Why do you think people are willing to wait 8 hours in line to vote?
Wanted to come back to this, a fellow Yank had an excellent post on this a few days ago.Sandstorm wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:50 pm Obama wasn’t vastly experienced either. He was a nice guy. USA needs another one.
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:46 pmHow do you know she's competent, because she made a 10-minute speech? What has she ever ran? Why the fuck does empathy matter? Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon were absolute assholes. Jimmy Carter was a nice sincere man from Georgia. Not only did Johnson and Nixon accomplish way more positive things in the presidency than Carter did, that's true for Nixon even in spite of Watergate. George W. Bush was "a more compassionate conservative" than George H.W. Bush, former CIA director. The elder Bush was significantly better in the job.DOB wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:20 pm I don't think any of those comments [that Michelle Obama would be a good candidate for president] are in jest at all. I think a lot of people on the left genuinely feel that having Michelle in the White House would mean having a competent, empathetic leader who projects a positive image abroad of our president and country.
Your post though exemplifies a lot of what is wrong about the American electorate. Obama is once he's dead and gone probably not going to be looked at greatly in terms of policy achievements. Obamacare is not what anyone on either side wants, it's best case is it's a half-measure that due to being insufficient they thought would encourage more centralization in the future, the kind of poison pill bills and laws that some in D.C. do.
This is not kosher to say yet in Democratic/left circles of Obama's not coming to the task unless you're Bernie Sanders, and in part explains why blacks never voted for him because they're not going to accept criticism of the first black president. Once Rahm Emanuel - an absolute bulldog in the Karl Rove fashion - left the White House administration, a lot of Obama's policy expertise left the building, because all he was was a single-term Senator from Illinois who got there off of defeating Alan Keyes, political gadfly extraordinaire. Biden was the late night TV joke in the Obama administration but remove him and his decades of Senate experience I wonder how Obama would've ever got anything through Congress, because like Trump actually doing policy wasn't Obama's forte, it was public speaking.
He was not elected to implement policies that are best for this country, he was put in place because "Americans wanted an empathetic leader who projects a positive image abroad of our president and country". Yeah, that's how you get your ass handed to you on climate change at Copenhagen by Xi, in Libya by Sarkozy who played you for an absolute fool to do the Europeans' dirty work for them - a lower-scale repeat of the Iraq conflict that you widely condemned and yet repeated, and in Syria by Putin who demonstrated hard power beats soft power all the time, especially when it comes to red lines of chemical weapons being used. Everything I've read of Obama's time in office including from news publications that were on the president's side was he found the tedium of the job and the bureaucracy difficult to deal with, lost interest by the end, and the Russians and Chinese never respected him as far as being an effective leader.
I think our last 3 presidents have all been strikeouts as far as being good at running the country. You think Michelle Obama is electable because she gives you a warm feeling inside. Great, continue failing America!
It's a "great post"?Fonz wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:05 amWanted to come back to this, a fellow Yank had an excellent post on this a few days ago.Sandstorm wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:50 pm Obama wasn’t vastly experienced either. He was a nice guy. USA needs another one.
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:46 pmHow do you know she's competent, because she made a 10-minute speech? What has she ever ran? Why the fuck does empathy matter? Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon were absolute assholes. Jimmy Carter was a nice sincere man from Georgia. Not only did Johnson and Nixon accomplish way more positive things in the presidency than Carter did, that's true for Nixon even in spite of Watergate. George W. Bush was "a more compassionate conservative" than George H.W. Bush, former CIA director. The elder Bush was significantly better in the job.DOB wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:20 pm I don't think any of those comments [that Michelle Obama would be a good candidate for president] are in jest at all. I think a lot of people on the left genuinely feel that having Michelle in the White House would mean having a competent, empathetic leader who projects a positive image abroad of our president and country.
Your post though exemplifies a lot of what is wrong about the American electorate. Obama is once he's dead and gone probably not going to be looked at greatly in terms of policy achievements. Obamacare is not what anyone on either side wants, it's best case is it's a half-measure that due to being insufficient they thought would encourage more centralization in the future, the kind of poison pill bills and laws that some in D.C. do.
This is not kosher to say yet in Democratic/left circles of Obama's not coming to the task unless you're Bernie Sanders, and in part explains why blacks never voted for him because they're not going to accept criticism of the first black president. Once Rahm Emanuel - an absolute bulldog in the Karl Rove fashion - left the White House administration, a lot of Obama's policy expertise left the building, because all he was was a single-term Senator from Illinois who got there off of defeating Alan Keyes, political gadfly extraordinaire. Biden was the late night TV joke in the Obama administration but remove him and his decades of Senate experience I wonder how Obama would've ever got anything through Congress, because like Trump actually doing policy wasn't Obama's forte, it was public speaking.
He was not elected to implement policies that are best for this country, he was put in place because "Americans wanted an empathetic leader who projects a positive image abroad of our president and country". Yeah, that's how you get your ass handed to you on climate change at Copenhagen by Xi, in Libya by Sarkozy who played you for an absolute fool to do the Europeans' dirty work for them - a lower-scale repeat of the Iraq conflict that you widely condemned and yet repeated, and in Syria by Putin who demonstrated hard power beats soft power all the time, especially when it comes to red lines of chemical weapons being used. Everything I've read of Obama's time in office including from news publications that were on the president's side was he found the tedium of the job and the bureaucracy difficult to deal with, lost interest by the end, and the Russians and Chinese never respected him as far as being an effective leader.
I think our last 3 presidents have all been strikeouts as far as being good at running the country. You think Michelle Obama is electable because she gives you a warm feeling inside. Great, continue failing America!
Tldr: no, we don't
Rinkals wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:44 am
It's a "great post"? Yes
When Ryan criticises Obama on policy and says that he wasn't respected, the implication is that President Trump is more skilled at policy and has the respect of foreign leaders like Putin and Xi, which I don't think is accurate. It really isn't man, the implication is that being a nice guy who projects a positive image of the country doesn't necessarily translate into effectiveness in the cutthroat world of foreign policy; Trump doesn't factor in here
It also seems bizarre to lay blame for the watering-down of ACA at Obama's door. The ACA is just name-checked as it's allegedly the greatest policy achievement of Obama
As to Michelle Obama's qualifications for the job, if Donald Trump has taught us one thing, it's that even a half-wit can still be President. And how's that gone?
I think it's a matter of public perception. HW was certainly a decent man, but he was also considered kind of aloof (let's not forget the checking his watch at the debate incident) and he projected an air of WASPy aristocracy, not exactly a group renowned for empathy or compassion. W's whole appeal was the whole "guy you can have a beer with", which was kind of the opposite of his dad.Hugo wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:47 am Not the most important point in the post but I don't understand how George HW Bush rates lower on the compassion scale than his son.
HW was frequently derided by critics on his right for being wimpy. By his own admission he was a very emotional man, he was moved to tears when the Hungarians gave him a piece of the iron curtain. He was hurt when he received the phone call at Christmas from Gorbachev announcing his resignation. HW really cared about people and was a truly decent man.
I agree with you on Dubya but that ability to connect with Joe Average was pretty much his schtick.Fonz wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:03 amI think it's a matter of public perception. HW was certainly a decent man, but he was also considered kind of aloof (let's not forget the checking his watch at the debate incident) and he projected an air of WASPy aristocracy, not exactly a group renowned for empathy or compassion. W's whole appeal was the whole "guy you can have a beer with", which was kind of the opposite of his dad.Hugo wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:47 am Not the most important point in the post but I don't understand how George HW Bush rates lower on the compassion scale than his son.
HW was frequently derided by critics on his right for being wimpy. By his own admission he was a very emotional man, he was moved to tears when the Hungarians gave him a piece of the iron curtain. He was hurt when he received the phone call at Christmas from Gorbachev announcing his resignation. HW really cared about people and was a truly decent man.
If either of them got votes for being a nice guy or coming across well in the media, it was probably Jr. His recent rehabilitation in the mainstream media kind of reinforces this.
(feel free to tell me to fck off if you'd prefer not to say, no hard feelings at all if so, but who were you on the bored if you don't mind my asking?)
And so the day came when the party elected as their standard bearer a deeply flawed man, a politician with no moral compass. For many years already he had been in an endless cycle of financial trouble and near-open corruption. His sexual escapades regularly made the front pages; his chauvinism was legendary. In the lead-up to his anointing, he was credibly accused of sexually assaulting a woman. That shower story was gold for his detractors.
Many were alarmed when he assumed the leadership of a venerated grand old party, and then became president of the country. His inaugural address to many observers sounded like the country’s epitaph.
The then new president was known to be a Putin ally. His early moves were KGB-style actions, like taking over the Department of Justice, the intelligence services, and the police. Over the years he appointed a string of factotums, who proceeded to destroy their designated institutions – the tax collection service, the fabric of the state’s machinery, and the system of values itself. He had a good reason for such moves – he was always driven by paranoia, convinced that his past would catch up with him and that he’d end up where he knew he rightfully belonged – in an orange jumpsuit, with some of his children. To avoid jail, he had to stay in power.
His lackeys worked with near impunity. For who was to investigate, arrest and prosecute them? There was nothing to keep him, or them, in check. They would regularly lose in courts, but then the next day would go on as though nothing had happened.
But the bulk of the blame for this monumental decline belonged to the president’s own grand old party, one of the largest and oldest political formations in the world. Not only did they elect him their leader, twice, but they steadfastly supported him through the worst of his indiscretions. No matter how idiotic his statements, no matter how incompetent his decisions, how visibly corrupt he was – they were always shielding him at the expense of their own vanishing dignity and credibility.
It was a time when all energy was devoted to wreaking chaos. The president’s environmental policies were nonexistent – the country remains one of the world’s worst polluters. He was obsessed with coal. And of course, Russia, Russia, Russia …
Foreign nationals were often demonised and attacked in the streets; violence against women and children reached epidemic proportions. The president reportedly owed so much money to so many shady people all over the world that he could only offer one thing as repayment – his own country. His deals with Middle Eastern moneymen will take years to fully uncover. He always believed Russian-trained intelligence officers more than his own professionals.
After so many terrifyingly bad decisions and a corruption-addled reign, he was finally turfed from the presidential palace. We’re talking about Jacob Zuma here, of course, but the parallels with Donald J Trump and the Republican Party are painfully obvious.
What emails?Slick wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:25 am Are these Hunter Biden emails getting much traction away from the lunatic fringe?
Jesus, the fucken logic behind this statement.Rinkals wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:44 amIt's a "great post"?Fonz wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:05 amWanted to come back to this, a fellow Yank had an excellent post on this a few days ago.Sandstorm wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:50 pm Obama wasn’t vastly experienced either. He was a nice guy. USA needs another one.
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:46 pm
How do you know she's competent, because she made a 10-minute speech? What has she ever ran? Why the fuck does empathy matter? Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon were absolute assholes. Jimmy Carter was a nice sincere man from Georgia. Not only did Johnson and Nixon accomplish way more positive things in the presidency than Carter did, that's true for Nixon even in spite of Watergate. George W. Bush was "a more compassionate conservative" than George H.W. Bush, former CIA director. The elder Bush was significantly better in the job.
Your post though exemplifies a lot of what is wrong about the American electorate. Obama is once he's dead and gone probably not going to be looked at greatly in terms of policy achievements. Obamacare is not what anyone on either side wants, it's best case is it's a half-measure that due to being insufficient they thought would encourage more centralization in the future, the kind of poison pill bills and laws that some in D.C. do.
This is not kosher to say yet in Democratic/left circles of Obama's not coming to the task unless you're Bernie Sanders, and in part explains why blacks never voted for him because they're not going to accept criticism of the first black president. Once Rahm Emanuel - an absolute bulldog in the Karl Rove fashion - left the White House administration, a lot of Obama's policy expertise left the building, because all he was was a single-term Senator from Illinois who got there off of defeating Alan Keyes, political gadfly extraordinaire. Biden was the late night TV joke in the Obama administration but remove him and his decades of Senate experience I wonder how Obama would've ever got anything through Congress, because like Trump actually doing policy wasn't Obama's forte, it was public speaking.
He was not elected to implement policies that are best for this country, he was put in place because "Americans wanted an empathetic leader who projects a positive image abroad of our president and country". Yeah, that's how you get your ass handed to you on climate change at Copenhagen by Xi, in Libya by Sarkozy who played you for an absolute fool to do the Europeans' dirty work for them - a lower-scale repeat of the Iraq conflict that you widely condemned and yet repeated, and in Syria by Putin who demonstrated hard power beats soft power all the time, especially when it comes to red lines of chemical weapons being used. Everything I've read of Obama's time in office including from news publications that were on the president's side was he found the tedium of the job and the bureaucracy difficult to deal with, lost interest by the end, and the Russians and Chinese never respected him as far as being an effective leader.
I think our last 3 presidents have all been strikeouts as far as being good at running the country. You think Michelle Obama is electable because she gives you a warm feeling inside. Great, continue failing America!
Tldr: no, we don't
When Ryan criticises Obama on policy and says that he wasn't respected, the implication is that President Trump is more skilled at policy and has the respect of foreign leaders like Putin and Xi, which I don't think is accurate.
It also seems bizarre to lay blame for the watering-down of ACA at Obama's door.
As to Michelle Obama's qualifications for the job, if Donald Trump has taught us one thing, it's that even a half-wit can still be President.
The only traction appears to be questions over just how gullible Guiliani and Trump can beSlick wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:06 amCollusion between him and VP Biden on business deals, Hunter smoking a crack pipe in bed and stuff
How on earth do you take that from my post?Bokkom wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:23 pmJesus, the fucken logic behind this statement.Rinkals wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:44 amIt's a "great post"?Fonz wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:05 am
Wanted to come back to this, a fellow Yank had an excellent post on this a few days ago.
Tldr: no, we don't
When Ryan criticises Obama on policy and says that he wasn't respected, the implication is that President Trump is more skilled at policy and has the respect of foreign leaders like Putin and Xi, which I don't think is accurate.
It also seems bizarre to lay blame for the watering-down of ACA at Obama's door.
As to Michelle Obama's qualifications for the job, if Donald Trump has taught us one thing, it's that even a half-wit can still be President.
So you want to see another blithering idiot leading the Yanks for another four years?
Why? do you think they are part of some clandestine disinformation campaign?Saint wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:28 pmThe only traction appears to be questions over just how gullible Guiliani and Trump can be
Well, that is the counterclaim, that it's the Russians. Which is why Facebook and Twitter stopped it for a while. The accusation being that the Russians sent it to Guiliani who lapped it up.Plato’sCave wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:09 pmWhy? do you think they are part of some clandestine disinformation campaign?