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Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 9:02 am**

Sort of blows the 'It was lockdowns' story out of the water?

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 10:03 am**

Yep, scientifically blown out of the water by that tweet. Can’t argue with those studies and numbers. And Adenovirus obviously adheres to border controls.

Come on man, I thought better of you.

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 11:09 am**

Ymx wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 6:28 am
JM2K6 wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 8:34 pm I can assure you plenty of people still talk about covid. Most parents I know, for a start. Most business owners. Lots of people have gotten it recently (like me) and it really fucking sucked.
They really aren’t. It’s crazy how much it’s just fallen away from conscious around here. With the possible exception of flights.

You realise I am talking about real people I know, right?

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 4:25 pm**

It might have just been tongue in cheek as to be fair it’s a good natured thread.

And I’ve been poking with the

Job done

a little bit

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 9:44 pm**

Ymx wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 4:25 pm It might have just been tongue in cheek as to be fair it’s a good natured thread.

And I’ve been poking with the

Job done

a little bit

Just to add a bit more. mRNA might be considerably shitter than the adenovirus vector vaccine's like AZ, janssen. Interesting interview.

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 10:29 pm**

I accidentally walked into a large hospital last week without a mask on... completely forgot about it... until I saw that everyone was wearing a mask... quickly went back to my car and put a mask on. Didn't realise it was still mandatory inside hospitals.

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 11:21 pm**

Grandpa wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 10:29 pm I accidentally walked into a large hospital last week without a mask on... completely forgot about it... until I saw that everyone was wearing a mask... quickly went back to my car and put a mask on. Didn't realise it was still mandatory inside hospitals.

I just spent 5 weeks in rural Thailand, which involved a few visits to a local hospital and larger ones in Bangkok itself.

The Thais are red hot on mask wearing with neighbours calling in wearing them in the village and everyone using them in any sort of public gathering. As for the hospitals... many staff wear face shields as well as masks.

towards the end of my stay I forgot a couple of times leaving the car and it's a jolt when you realise and have to shoot back for it.

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 11:36 pm**

Guy Smiley wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 11:21 pm
Grandpa wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 10:29 pm I accidentally walked into a large hospital last week without a mask on... completely forgot about it... until I saw that everyone was wearing a mask... quickly went back to my car and put a mask on. Didn't realise it was still mandatory inside hospitals.
I just spent 5 weeks in rural Thailand, which involved a few visits to a local hospital and larger ones in Bangkok itself.

The Thais are red hot on mask wearing with neighbours calling in wearing them in the village and everyone using them in any sort of public gathering. As for the hospitals... many staff wear face shields as well as masks.

towards the end of my stay I forgot a couple of times leaving the car and it's a jolt when you realise and have to shoot back for it.

It's opened up a lot in Thailand since May 1st as well. I guess you went through all the testing etc to get into the country? From friends there now they say it has become more relaxed in the last week (since May 1st). Though not in hospitals I assume.. but in hotels etc.

Is mask wearing still a thing back in NZ?

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 11:59 pm**

Grandpa wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 11:36 pm
Guy Smiley wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 11:21 pm
Grandpa wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 10:29 pm I accidentally walked into a large hospital last week without a mask on... completely forgot about it... until I saw that everyone was wearing a mask... quickly went back to my car and put a mask on. Didn't realise it was still mandatory inside hospitals.
I just spent 5 weeks in rural Thailand, which involved a few visits to a local hospital and larger ones in Bangkok itself.

The Thais are red hot on mask wearing with neighbours calling in wearing them in the village and everyone using them in any sort of public gathering. As for the hospitals... many staff wear face shields as well as masks.

towards the end of my stay I forgot a couple of times leaving the car and it's a jolt when you realise and have to shoot back for it.
It's opened up a lot in Thailand since May 1st as well. I guess you went through all the testing etc to get into the country? From friends there now they say it has become more relaxed in the last week (since May 1st). Though not in hospitals I assume.. but in hotels etc.

Is mask wearing still a thing back in NZ?

When I flew in I had to have a booked hotel that provided airport pickup and onsite PCR test, results guaranteed within 24 hrs so you only book a night. There were different requirements for tourist heavy areas like the islands but I was always heading rural so went with what they called the Test and Go package. They've pretty much got their shit together with all of that... my test was ready in 8 hours. Similar efficiency with my test to return to NZ... PCR result emailed to me within a few hours complete with QR code.

I left on the 2nd... masks still prevalent everywhere and we had a group out for dinner on my last night in a popular beach area... the restaurant provided 'ATK' rapid test kits (standard rapid antigen test kits) for everyone to use before we could enter... cost 50BHT each.

NZ's official line is that it's suggested you wear a mask in public... so I see a few people around my regular spots like a cafe and supermarket not wearing them but most do. I caught the shuttle bus from Tauranga to Auckland when I flew out and bought a coffee at a roadside stop... we had masks on in te mini bus so I kept mine on to order. It was pretty clear the good burghers of Ngatea weren't too impressed with masks or people wearing them

Posted: **Mon May 09, 2022 12:10 am**

Guy Smiley wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 11:59 pm
Grandpa wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 11:36 pm
Guy Smiley wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 11:21 pm

I just spent 5 weeks in rural Thailand, which involved a few visits to a local hospital and larger ones in Bangkok itself.

The Thais are red hot on mask wearing with neighbours calling in wearing them in the village and everyone using them in any sort of public gathering. As for the hospitals... many staff wear face shields as well as masks.

towards the end of my stay I forgot a couple of times leaving the car and it's a jolt when you realise and have to shoot back for it.
It's opened up a lot in Thailand since May 1st as well. I guess you went through all the testing etc to get into the country? From friends there now they say it has become more relaxed in the last week (since May 1st). Though not in hospitals I assume.. but in hotels etc.

Is mask wearing still a thing back in NZ?
When I flew in I had to have a booked hotel that provided airport pickup and onsite PCR test, results guaranteed within 24 hrs so you only book a night. There were different requirements for tourist heavy areas like the islands but I was always heading rural so went with what they called the Test and Go package. They've pretty much got their shit together with all of that... my test was ready in 8 hours. Similar efficiency with my test to return to NZ... PCR result emailed to me within a few hours complete with QR code.

I left on the 2nd... masks still prevalent everywhere and we had a group out for dinner on my last night in a popular beach area... the restaurant provided 'ATK' rapid test kits (standard rapid antigen test kits) for everyone to use before we could enter... cost 50BHT each.

NZ's official line is that it's suggested you wear a mask in public... so I see a few people around my regular spots like a cafe and supermarket not wearing them but most do. I caught the shuttle bus from Tauranga to Auckland when I flew out and bought a coffee at a roadside stop... we had masks on in te mini bus so I kept mine on to order. It was pretty clear the good burghers of Ngatea weren't too impressed with masks or people wearing them

Yeah sounds like what most of my friends went through pre May 1st. As for NZ... sounds like here in the UK a few months back... since then, less and less wear masks... maybe 10% in shops etc... if that... sometimes I don't see any masks when out. It's just asking for a new variant to appear isn't it...

Posted: **Mon May 09, 2022 12:48 am**

New variants are going to be a bit of an ongoing issue I guess. I think more pertinent for NZ right now is we're heading into winter and a flu season after two years where that hasn't been an issue. It'll be interesting to see how that pans out.

Interesting too, to note that Australia is currently seeing some of it's highest fatality rates from Covid since the thing began and it's getting no mention in the press at all... overshadowed by election coverage that has feature no hard questioning of the government on a range of contentious issues, replaced instead by ridiculous attempts at 'gotcha' moments by 'journo's' focussed on superficiality and soundbites. I think that dynamic has played out in the coverage of Covid related issues... it's been passed by the next shiny thing and the 'viewing public' are fatigued by it now. As a generalisation... 'everyone just wants to move on', come hell or high water.

Posted: **Mon May 09, 2022 8:02 am**

I was in a packed tube carriage on Saturday which got delayed on the way to Waterloo.

I was perhaps one of three people in the carriage wearing a mask.

It surprised me a little.

Posted: **Mon May 09, 2022 8:19 am**

Tichtheid wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 8:02 am I was in a packed tube carriage on Saturday which got delayed on the way to Waterloo.

I was perhaps one of three people in the carriage wearing a mask.

It surprised me a little.

Mandatory in France

Only place with health centres where it is.

Frankly I wear it in shops still as well.

Posted: **Mon May 09, 2022 8:44 am**

Last time I wore a mask was on a Turkish Airlines flight back in February

Posted: **Thu May 12, 2022 5:50 am**

mat the expat wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 5:35 am
convoluted wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 5:17 am Re. the above mention of immunity issues caused by lockdown reducing interaction with others: Seemingly the local folk had built resistance since infancy and, on the outside at least, they looked in perfect health and beauty.

Ignoring the many serious diseases killing people there due to poor sanitation that you don't see on your tour

Just seen this^^.
I wrote about the sterility of Antarctica weakening the immune system, and contrasted it with people living on and adjacent to the Bangkok klongs doing their early morning ablutions in that water.
Re. the serious diseases, once vaccinations kicked in they were little more susceptible than we were.
Malaria remains a problem there, but just as flu does so with us.
The respiratory virus RSV hit NZ hard last winter because the lockdowns meant that children had gone unexposed for too long.
Obviously too there are concerns about this year's flu as winter kicks in. I believe that cases this Autumn far exceed the normal early number.

P.S. My 'tour'?? It was lone travel spent 95 percent among local people, and the huge bulk of the time was spent in South Vietnam-Cambodia.

Posted: **Tue May 17, 2022 12:43 am**

Got my booster (4th) shot booked

Posted: **Tue May 17, 2022 2:16 am**

Way over 90% of people out in public are wearing masks in my little country town.

Posted: **Tue May 17, 2022 10:46 am**

Kiwias wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 2:16 am Way over 90% of people out in public are wearing masks in my little country town.

Got to the point here where I rarely see anyone wearing a mask... just in the last week or two.. they've gone! apart from in medical facilities. Even in pharmacies it's gone... it's also interesting that a lot of my friends/relatives have had Covid in the last few months... some suffered quite badly. I've been lucky so far.

Posted: **Wed May 18, 2022 7:40 am**

Interesting that BoE are now including the impact of long covid into their economic analysis - see below.

At first glance, it may seem surprising that domestic cost and capacity pressures have escalated so much, and the labour market is so tight, given that real GDP is only slightly above the Q4-19 level. If potential GDP had grown in line with its pre-pandemic pace (around 1½% YoY) since Q4-19, then one would expect the economy to still have some slack.

However, since Q4-19, the economy’s potential output has fallen well below its previous trend.

The workforce has shrunk by 440,000 people (1.3%) since Q4-19, and is 2.5% below the January 2020 forecast (see figure 5). The scale and persistence of this drop in labour supply has been a surprise to many forecasters, including us. The interplay between Brexit and the pandemic has reduced net inward migration (and hence population growth), while participation has fallen markedly (especially among people aged 50-64 years). Since Q4-19, the number of people aged 16-64 years that are outside the workforce and do not want a job has risen by 525,000 (1.3% of the 16-64 age population). This largely reflects increases in long-term sickness (roughly 320,000 people) and retirement (90,000), with smaller contributions from lower participation among students (65-70,000) and short-term sickness (30-35,000 people). The share of the 16-64 population who are outside the workforce and do not want a job because of long-term sickness is a record high, with an especially sharp rise among women (see figure 6). I suspect much of this rise in inactivity due to long-term sickness reflects side effects of the pandemic, for example Long Covidfootnote [3] and the rise in NHS waiting lists.

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/speech/ ... tion-event

Posted: **Wed May 18, 2022 8:41 am**

Interesting?

Posted: **Wed May 18, 2022 9:10 am**

dpedin wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 8:41 am Interesting?

Piss poor public health plus anti vaccine nonsense would have made COVID worse.

Posted: **Wed May 18, 2022 11:59 am**

EnergiseR2 wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 9:21 am
It’s not just that people dying of cancer happened to have caught Covid in the last weeks of their lives. Rather, people are dying way early—sometimes months...
The fudging of numbers in the US is chronic. Its pure political theatre

I suspect that's a little too rancid.

Posted: **Wed May 18, 2022 3:42 pm**

petej wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 9:10 am
dpedin wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 8:41 am Interesting?

Piss poor public health plus anti vaccine nonsense would have made COVID worse.

Depends where in the US.
- Scotland pop. 5.5 M , Covid death 15k
- Maryland pop. 6 M. , Covid death 14.5k

https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/

Posted: **Wed May 18, 2022 5:24 pm**

Marylandolorian wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 3:42 pm
petej wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 9:10 am
dpedin wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 8:41 am Interesting?

Piss poor public health plus anti vaccine nonsense would have made COVID worse.
Depends where in the US.
- Scotland pop. 5.5 M , Covid death 15k
- Maryland pop. 6 M. , Covid death 14.5k

https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/

Yep. I would expect the vaccine uptake to be very good in a strongly Dem state like Maryland and probably better public health as well.

Posted: **Wed May 18, 2022 6:07 pm**

Virus spreading fast and thick around me (DMV). No seriously ill people around, but the problem is kids exams, as you are not allowed to sit an exam if you're sick.

Posted: **Wed May 18, 2022 9:45 pm**

TheFrog wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 6:07 pm Virus spreading fast and thick around me (DMV). No seriously ill people around, but the problem is kids exams, as you are not allowed to sit an exam if you're sick.

No serious hill people ? In MoCo we had 150 people in hospitals April 20th, now over 400.
With the availability of the antiviral Pfizer's pills (Paxlovid), I’m surprise to see this big jump .

Maybe kids should wear a mask at least during the exams to be safe.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:31 am**

Finally had the thing. Not vaxxed.

It is just a fokken flu, did not even use antibiotics.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:44 am**

Anyone mentioned Monkeypox yet? Simultaneous outbreaks of monkeypox in multiple countries - UK, Spain, Portugal and US as far as we know - is unprecedented. and probably indicates person-to-person transmission is already happening. Apparently it can spread through aerosol transmission, bodily fluids as well as via fomites. It is thought to have an RO of less than 1 and although there is no monkeypox vaccine the smallpox vaccine, to which monkeypox is related, is thought to offer some protection. Luckily it is the 'milder' version which has been found spreading, which has a IFR of c1%, the less mild version has an IFR of 10%. There is no known treatment.

It might just be coincidence or it might be that increased surveillance is identifying things which would previously have gone unnoticed but unexplained outbreaks of paediatric hepatitis and monkeypox, both very, very rare prior to covid pandemic is strange? Coincidence? Increased surveillance? Have these viruses changed or has covid impacted upon our immunity system response to other viruses? Too early to call yet but it is a worry.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:38 am**

dpedin wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 10:44 am Anyone mentioned Monkeypox yet? Simultaneous outbreaks of monkeypox in multiple countries - UK, Spain, Portugal and US as far as we know - is unprecedented. and probably indicates person-to-person transmission is already happening. Apparently it can spread through aerosol transmission, bodily fluids as well as via fomites. It is thought to have an RO of less than 1 and although there is no monkeypox vaccine the smallpox vaccine, to which monkeypox is related, is thought to offer some protection. Luckily it is the 'milder' version which has been found spreading, which has a IFR of c1%, the less mild version has an IFR of 10%. There is no known treatment.

It might just be coincidence or it might be that increased surveillance is identifying things which would previously have gone unnoticed but unexplained outbreaks of paediatric hepatitis and monkeypox, both very, very rare prior to covid pandemic is strange? Coincidence? Increased surveillance? Have these viruses changed or has covid impacted upon our immunity system response to other viruses? Too early to call yet but it is a worry.

Increased media interest and, therefore, public awareness of disease outbreaks probably plays a part as well. Not like there hasn't been significant effort in surveillance of diseases pre pandemic.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:49 am**

Marylandolorian wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 9:45 pm
TheFrog wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 6:07 pm Virus spreading fast and thick around me (DMV). No seriously ill people around, but the problem is kids exams, as you are not allowed to sit an exam if you're sick.
No serious hill people ? In MoCo we had 150 people in hospitals April 20th, now over 400.
With the availability of the antiviral Pfizer's pills (Paxlovid), I’m surprise to see this big jump .

Maybe kids should wear a mask at least during the exams to be safe.

We are neighbors man! I live in Moco too.

I am talking about people I know - not about the stats.

From what I hear, there are more vaccinated people in hospital now as the effect of the vaccines vanishes - and the virus mutates away from it's original form.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:51 am**

Wilson's Toffee wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 10:31 am Finally had the thing. Not vaxxed.

It is just a fokken flu, did not even use antibiotics.

You know antibiotics are of no use against vaccines, don't you?

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 12:22 pm**

TheFrog wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 11:51 am
Wilson's Toffee wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 10:31 am Finally had the thing. Not vaxxed.

It is just a fokken flu, did not even use antibiotics.
You know antibiotics are of no use against vaccines, don't you?

Virus I suppose

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 1:21 pm**

I always thought flu was caused by a virus.
Antibiotics is very good against bacterial infections caused by flu symptoms, I found.

But maybe COV2 is different.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 3:28 pm**

petej wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 11:38 am
dpedin wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 10:44 am Anyone mentioned Monkeypox yet? Simultaneous outbreaks of monkeypox in multiple countries - UK, Spain, Portugal and US as far as we know - is unprecedented. and probably indicates person-to-person transmission is already happening. Apparently it can spread through aerosol transmission, bodily fluids as well as via fomites. It is thought to have an RO of less than 1 and although there is no monkeypox vaccine the smallpox vaccine, to which monkeypox is related, is thought to offer some protection. Luckily it is the 'milder' version which has been found spreading, which has a IFR of c1%, the less mild version has an IFR of 10%. There is no known treatment.

It might just be coincidence or it might be that increased surveillance is identifying things which would previously have gone unnoticed but unexplained outbreaks of paediatric hepatitis and monkeypox, both very, very rare prior to covid pandemic is strange? Coincidence? Increased surveillance? Have these viruses changed or has covid impacted upon our immunity system response to other viruses? Too early to call yet but it is a worry.
Increased media interest and, therefore, public awareness of disease outbreaks probably plays a part as well. Not like there hasn't been significant effort in surveillance of diseases pre pandemic.

Italy and Sweden have now identified cases of Monkeypox - see https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61506562 Authorities are struggling to find links between the cases across all the countries involved - this seems very strange. Hopefully some link between the cases is identified soon, if not then it becomes a completely different ball game.

PS Apparently masks and hand washing prevents community transmission of monkeypox.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 3:33 pm**

^
Condoms also.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 3:49 pm**

TheFrog wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 11:49 am
Marylandolorian wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 9:45 pm
TheFrog wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 6:07 pm Virus spreading fast and thick around me (DMV). No seriously ill people around, but the problem is kids exams, as you are not allowed to sit an exam if you're sick.
No serious hill people ? In MoCo we had 150 people in hospitals April 20th, now over 400.
With the availability of the antiviral Pfizer's pills (Paxlovid), I’m surprise to see this big jump .

Maybe kids should wear a mask at least during the exams to be safe.
We are neighbors man! I live in Moco too.

I am talking about people I know - not about the stats.

From what I hear, there are more vaccinated people in hospital now as the effect of the vaccines vanishes - and the virus mutates away from it's original form.

Same around me, barely nobody got Covid and the ones who got it had mild symptoms, but numbers are numbers.
As the bad wanes it makes sense , 95% of the MoCo adult pop has been vaccinated, but only a third got a booster.

To be safe Kids should wear a mask during their exams .

14 schools have had more than 4% of their staff and students test positive in the past 10 days, yours might be at
the lycée Rochambeau.

Those schools are:
• Sherwood Elementary (64 cases, 11.6%)
• Woodlin Elementary, Silver Spring (45 cases, 7.3%)
• Diamond Elementary, Gaithersburg (59 cases, 7.2%)
• Westover Elementary, Silver Spring (23 cases, 7.2%)
• Kensington Parkwood Elementary, Kensington (47 cases, 7%)
• Wyngate Elementary, Bethesda (50 cases, 6.5%)
• Westbrook Elementary, Bethesda (19 cases, 5.7%)
• Carderock Springs Elementary, Bethesda (20 cases, 5.3%)
• Ritchie Park Elementary, Rockville (22 cases, 5.2%)
• Bradley Hills Elementary, Bethesda (27 cases, 5.1%)
• Ashburton Elementary, Bethesda (47 cases, 5%)
• Westland Middle, Bethesda (43 cases, 4.8%)
• Lucy V. Barnsley Elementary, Rockville (35 cases, 4.5%)
• Thomas W. Pyle Middle, Bethesda (61 cases, 4.2%)

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 6:37 pm**

laurent wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 12:22 pm
TheFrog wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 11:51 am
Wilson's Toffee wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 10:31 am Finally had the thing. Not vaxxed.

It is just a fokken flu, did not even use antibiotics.
You know antibiotics are of no use against vaccines, don't you?

Virus I suppose

Yes

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 6:41 pm**

Marylandolorian wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 3:49 pm
TheFrog wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 11:49 am
Marylandolorian wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 9:45 pm

No serious hill people ? In MoCo we had 150 people in hospitals April 20th, now over 400.
With the availability of the antiviral Pfizer's pills (Paxlovid), I’m surprise to see this big jump .

Maybe kids should wear a mask at least during the exams to be safe.
We are neighbors man! I live in Moco too.

I am talking about people I know - not about the stats.

From what I hear, there are more vaccinated people in hospital now as the effect of the vaccines vanishes - and the virus mutates away from it's original form.
Same around me, barely nobody got Covid and the ones who got it had mild symptoms, but numbers are numbers.
As the bad wanes it makes sense , 95% of the MoCo adult pop has been vaccinated, but only a third got a booster.

To be safe Kids should wear a mask during their exams .

14 schools have had more than 4% of their staff and students test positive in the past 10 days, yours might be at
the lycée Rochambeau.

Those schools are:
• Sherwood Elementary (64 cases, 11.6%)
• Woodlin Elementary, Silver Spring (45 cases, 7.3%)
• Diamond Elementary, Gaithersburg (59 cases, 7.2%)
• Westover Elementary, Silver Spring (23 cases, 7.2%)
• Kensington Parkwood Elementary, Kensington (47 cases, 7%)
• Wyngate Elementary, Bethesda (50 cases, 6.5%)
• Westbrook Elementary, Bethesda (19 cases, 5.7%)
• Carderock Springs Elementary, Bethesda (20 cases, 5.3%)
• Ritchie Park Elementary, Rockville (22 cases, 5.2%)
• Bradley Hills Elementary, Bethesda (27 cases, 5.1%)
• Ashburton Elementary, Bethesda (47 cases, 5%)
• Westland Middle, Bethesda (43 cases, 4.8%)
• Lucy V. Barnsley Elementary, Rockville (35 cases, 4.5%)
• Thomas W. Pyle Middle, Bethesda (61 cases, 4.2%)

Rochambeau has temporarily made masks mandatory again - I suspect at the request of terminale parents who were concerned their children would not be able to sit their exams if sick.

[What do you do in Moco?]

Posted: **Sun May 22, 2022 11:51 am**

dpedin wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 3:28 pm
petej wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 11:38 am
dpedin wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 10:44 am Anyone mentioned Monkeypox yet? Simultaneous outbreaks of monkeypox in multiple countries - UK, Spain, Portugal and US as far as we know - is unprecedented. and probably indicates person-to-person transmission is already happening. Apparently it can spread through aerosol transmission, bodily fluids as well as via fomites. It is thought to have an RO of less than 1 and although there is no monkeypox vaccine the smallpox vaccine, to which monkeypox is related, is thought to offer some protection. Luckily it is the 'milder' version which has been found spreading, which has a IFR of c1%, the less mild version has an IFR of 10%. There is no known treatment.

It might just be coincidence or it might be that increased surveillance is identifying things which would previously have gone unnoticed but unexplained outbreaks of paediatric hepatitis and monkeypox, both very, very rare prior to covid pandemic is strange? Coincidence? Increased surveillance? Have these viruses changed or has covid impacted upon our immunity system response to other viruses? Too early to call yet but it is a worry.
Increased media interest and, therefore, public awareness of disease outbreaks probably plays a part as well. Not like there hasn't been significant effort in surveillance of diseases pre pandemic.
Italy and Sweden have now identified cases of Monkeypox - see https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61506562 Authorities are struggling to find links between the cases across all the countries involved - this seems very strange. Hopefully some link between the cases is identified soon, if not then it becomes a completely different ball game.

PS Apparently masks and hand washing prevents community transmission of monkeypox.

Cases on Monkeypox in 12 countries now. WHO still struggling to find links between them all and explain such a widespread distribution of cases. They expect many more cases over the next few weeks given the incubation period. Young folk <50'ish are most at risk as older population will have been vaccinated against smallpox, which offers good protection. Smallpox vaccination was discontinued in early 70s once the virus was all but eliminated. Richer countries stocking up with smallpox vaccines and antiviral treatments for a few weeks now. Internet getting into a frenzy over this - seen many suggesting this is Russian germ warfare!

In unrelated news number of cases of paediatric hepatitis reaches over 450 in 25 countries. This has doubled in 2 weeks. Almost all are under 5 years old so therefore not connected to vaccines in any way. Adenovirus type41 is still being investigated as possible cause but some scientists are now doubting this, 'Tissue and liver samples obtained in the U.K., according to Dr. Phillipa Easterbrook, a senior scientist at the WHO, said they do not “show any of the typical features you might expect with a liver inflammation due to adenovirus, but we are awaiting further examination of biopsies.' This number of cases is very unusual.

Keep safe guys!

Posted: **Sun May 22, 2022 12:18 pm**

dpedin wrote: Sun May 22, 2022 11:51 am
dpedin wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 3:28 pm
petej wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 11:38 am
Increased media interest and, therefore, public awareness of disease outbreaks probably plays a part as well. Not like there hasn't been significant effort in surveillance of diseases pre pandemic.
Italy and Sweden have now identified cases of Monkeypox - see https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61506562 Authorities are struggling to find links between the cases across all the countries involved - this seems very strange. Hopefully some link between the cases is identified soon, if not then it becomes a completely different ball game.

PS Apparently masks and hand washing prevents community transmission of monkeypox.
Cases on Monkeypox in 12 countries now. WHO still struggling to find links between them all and explain such a widespread distribution of cases. They expect many more cases over the next few weeks given the incubation period. Young folk <50'ish are most at risk as older population will have been vaccinated against smallpox, which offers good protection. Smallpox vaccination was discontinued in early 70s once the virus was all but eliminated. Richer countries stocking up with smallpox vaccines and antiviral treatments for a few weeks now. Internet getting into a frenzy over this - seen many suggesting this is Russian germ warfare!

In unrelated news number of cases of paediatric hepatitis reaches over 450 in 25 countries. This has doubled in 2 weeks. Almost all are under 5 years old so therefore not connected to vaccines in any way. Adenovirus type41 is still being investigated as possible cause but some scientists are now doubting this, 'Tissue and liver samples obtained in the U.K., according to Dr. Phillipa Easterbrook, a senior scientist at the WHO, said they do not “show any of the typical features you might expect with a liver inflammation due to adenovirus, but we are awaiting further examination of biopsies.' This number of cases is very unusual.

Keep safe guys!

Guardian reporting past the peak. Good luck to the scientists unpicking the hepatitis. Stomach bugs and colds have been mental last winter and spring.

NPR

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