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Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:00 am I don’t recall seeing Henry play but he’s been injured for a long time, Embra ditched Hoyland, Blain and Owsley whilst offering Henry a contract so they must see something in him

Rowe was very good and well worth his place on the Scotland tour before a year long injury put him out of commission

Smith is definitely in contention for a place in the world cup 23

Smith is good but he is a fullback for me. Rowe is good but he has already broken through and is already 25. Henry I hope I’m wrong about, and I hope I’m wrong generally and there are loads of great international level wingers just waiting to break through.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:56 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:00 am I don’t recall seeing Henry play but he’s been injured for a long time, Embra ditched Hoyland, Blain and Owsley whilst offering Henry a contract so they must see something in him

Rowe was very good and well worth his place on the Scotland tour before a year long injury put him out of commission

Smith is definitely in contention for a place in the world cup 23

Smith is good but he is a fullback for me. Rowe is good but he has already broken through and is already 25. Henry I hope I’m wrong about, and I hope I’m wrong generally and there are loads of great international level wingers just waiting to break through.

I'm with you on this one. I'd expect a potential international level winger to be identifiable reasonably early in their career because they should have outstanding pace or footwork. The likes of Henry might just end up as a decent pro, which is fine for Edinburgh/him and probably results in a Scotland cap due to the paucity of options rather than outstanding ability.

robmatic wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:38 pm

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:56 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:00 am I don’t recall seeing Henry play but he’s been injured for a long time, Embra ditched Hoyland, Blain and Owsley whilst offering Henry a contract so they must see something in him

Rowe was very good and well worth his place on the Scotland tour before a year long injury put him out of commission

Smith is definitely in contention for a place in the world cup 23

Smith is good but he is a fullback for me. Rowe is good but he has already broken through and is already 25. Henry I hope I’m wrong about, and I hope I’m wrong generally and there are loads of great international level wingers just waiting to break through.

I'm with you on this one. I'd expect a potential international level winger to be identifiable reasonably early in their career because they should have outstanding pace or footwork. The likes of Henry might just end up as a decent pro, which is fine for Edinburgh/him and probably results in a Scotland cap due to the paucity of options rather than outstanding ability.

He certainly looked quick for the 7s so hopefully he has the ability to do something for embra.

Twitter seems sure it’s a 3 match ban for sexton, completely coincidentally meaning he misses the exact number of games before the WC starts. He’ll be available for all Ireland games including against us.

Once entry level not about 10 games?

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:59 pm Twitter seems sure it’s a 3 match ban for sexton, completely coincidentally meaning he misses the exact number of games before the WC starts. He’ll be available for all Ireland games including against us.

How amazingly convenient! If it had been a Scotland player, they’d have been banned for the exact number of games that would be enough to exclude them from the group stages entirely. Or perhaps just taken outside and shot.

Jock42 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:00 pm Once entry level not about 10 games?

This is from an RFU disciplinary site, I doubt it varies too much from World Rugby/EPCR regulations

9.28 A player must not verbally abuse a Match Official. Verbal abuse includes, but is not limited to, abuse based on: religion, colour, national or ethnic origin, sexual orientation.

Low-end: 6 weeks/matches

Mid-range:12 weeks/matches

Top-end: Max: 18+ weeks/matches 52 weeks/matches

However, the decisions that come out of these panels make it very difficult to conclude that there is any consistency.

It also looks like outcomes depend on who is up before the beak.

Has Bevan Rodd been capped by England yet?

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:33 am Has Bevan Rodd been capped by England yet?

Yes.

It seems Viaplay are in significant financial bother having expanded too fast. Subscriber numbers are poor and advertising is well short of expectations, presumably on the back of their subscriber numbers. If Viaplay goes down the pan then the URC might have a bit of a Prem moment, I don’t think the Welsh in particular can take another financial hit.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:40 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:33 am Has Bevan Rodd been capped by England yet?

Yes.

According to Wikipedia he got two caps in the AIs in 2021. Which, ironically, would mean he would be eligible for us again in just over a year, if they don’t cap him again in the interim.

Kyle Rowe is now training with the RWC squad

Scotland U20 team to face USA U20 at Nyayo National Stadium, Nairobi, Kenya on Thursday 20 July (kick off 12pm BST, 2pm local time)

15. Dan King (Heriot’s Rugby)

14. Logan Jarvie (Stirling Wolves/Glasgow Warriors)
13. Ben Salmon (Stirling Wolves/Glasgow Warriors)
12. Findlay Thomson (Watsonians)
11. Finn Douglas (Southern Knights/Edinburgh Rugby)

10. Andrew McLean (Boroughmuir Bears)
9. Ben Afshar (Ayrshire Bulls) CO-CAPTAIN

1. Robbie Deans (Watsonians/Edinburgh Rugby)
2. Corey Tait (Boroughmuir Bears)
3. Callum Norrie (Stirling Wolves/Glasgow Warriors)
4. Eddie Erskine (Bath Rugby/Bath University)
5. Jake Parkinson (Ealing Trailfinders)
6. Liam McConnell (Boroughmuir Bears/Edinburgh Rugby) CO-CAPTAIN
7. Jonny Smith (Harlequins)
8. Jonny Morris (Watsonians/Glasgow Warriors)

Replacements

16. Finn Duraj (Watsonians)
17. Craig Davidson (Watsonians)
18. Oliver Minnis (Hartpury University)
19. Ruaraidh Hart (Stirling Wolves/Glasgow Warriors)
20. Sam Derrick (Southern Knights)
21. Hector Patterson (Watsonians/Edinburgh Rugby)
22. Kerr Yule (Ayrshire Bulls/Glasgow Warriors)
23. Matt Reid (Watsonians)

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:40 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:33 am Has Bevan Rodd been capped by England yet?

Yes.

Well, it's his own stupid fault then

Fuck SAKE. I signed up to Viaplay for a year about a month ago to get URC and Scotland football matches. Now they have pulled out of the UK. WANKERS

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:05 am Fuck SAKE. I signed up to Viaplay for a year about a month ago to get URC and Scotland football matches. Now they have pulled out of the UK. WANKERS

I presume it will take a while to happen and they will seek a buyer for the platform - I can't imagine they will just cut the product off.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:45 am

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:05 am Fuck SAKE. I signed up to Viaplay for a year about a month ago to get URC and Scotland football matches. Now they have pulled out of the UK. WANKERS

I presume it will take a while to happen and they will seek a buyer for the platform - I can't imagine they will just cut the product off.

I wouldn't put it past them, but there will be something in the contract about the rights and whether they immediately revert to URC or if they have the right to try to sell them on.

Scotland U20 v USA U20

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:50 am

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:45 am

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:05 am Fuck SAKE. I signed up to Viaplay for a year about a month ago to get URC and Scotland football matches. Now they have pulled out of the UK. WANKERS

I presume it will take a while to happen and they will seek a buyer for the platform - I can't imagine they will just cut the product off.

I wouldn't put it past them, but there will be something in the contract about the rights and whether they immediately revert to URC or if they have the right to try to sell them on.

Quote from Viaplay:

"(We will) exit in the form of disposal, partnering or winding down the businesses."

So either they sell the rights, they sub-contract the rights or they walk away. So basically they have no idea yet because those are literally all the options available!

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:57 am Scotland U20 v USA U20

I'm finding the stream to be exceptionally ropey - not sure if that's me or them.

Sean Everitt (ex-Sharks) is the new Edinburgh head coach. The rumour mill completely missed that one.

robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:13 am Sean Everitt (ex-Sharks) is the new Edinburgh head coach. The rumour mill completely missed that one.

Senior Coach is how they're reporting it. Odd wording, not quite sure what it means.

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:14 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:13 am Sean Everitt (ex-Sharks) is the new Edinburgh head coach. The rumour mill completely missed that one.

Senior Coach is how they're reporting it. Odd wording, not quite sure what it means.

Also just a one year contract, Steve Diamond is still in position and there is some chat about possible additional coaching hires during the season. Doesn't seem very settled yet.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:11 am

I'm finding the stream to be exceptionally ropey - not sure if that's me or them.

It's them

robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:18 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:14 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:13 am Sean Everitt (ex-Sharks) is the new Edinburgh head coach. The rumour mill completely missed that one.

Senior Coach is how they're reporting it. Odd wording, not quite sure what it means.

Also just a one year contract, Steve Diamond is still in position and there is some chat about possible additional coaching hires during the season. Doesn't seem very settled yet.

A statement from Edinburgh said: “Experienced South African coach Sean Everitt will spearhead the club's coaching group in 2023/24, joining on a one-year deal, subject to visa.”

So, head coach, then

It's a long way to move your family for one year.

Went to Dundee High School apparently (yes, I know not that one)!

Not sure what's going on in u20 - i have the stream on in the background and Scotland seemed to have scored and it was given but now it's not?

The winger (Jarvie?) just missed an absolute sitter too.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:22 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:18 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:14 am

Senior Coach is how they're reporting it. Odd wording, not quite sure what it means.

Also just a one year contract, Steve Diamond is still in position and there is some chat about possible additional coaching hires during the season. Doesn't seem very settled yet.

A statement from Edinburgh said: “Experienced South African coach Sean Everitt will spearhead the club's coaching group in 2023/24, joining on a one-year deal, subject to visa.”

So, head coach, then

All of the social media specifically says Senior Coach, not Head Coach.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:38 am Went to Dundee High School apparently (yes, I know not that one)!

Not sure what's going on in u20 - i have the stream on in the background and Scotland seemed to have scored and it was given but now it's not?

The winger (Jarvie?) just missed an absolute sitter too.

AR reported someone took out a Yank earlier

"Senior coach"? Are we just making up titles now?

Big D wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:13 pm "Senior coach"? Are we just making up titles now?

From what Embra have said in the press release it might mean a Director of Rugby being brought in too, Steve Diamond is to continue for a bit


"The club’s newly formed coaching structure will also see Steve Diamond continue as Lead Rugby Consultant during the pre-season programme, to allow for a period of support and transition as Everitt takes the reins in the Scottish capital."

Whatever the technicals, not impressed with Embra sining Everitt.

He was sacked for many good reasons

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:19 pm Whatever the technicals, not impressed with Embra sining Everitt.

He was sacked for many good reasons

Why was he sacked?

I don't know enough about the guy but I always thought Sharks underperformed given the players they have, so maybe someone from there is not best placed to solve Embra's underperformance problem.

A quality bit of forward play in the U20s where the US hooker flopped over the line for a try at the back of a maul...except it was the five meter line not the try line

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:43 pm A quality bit of forward play in the U20s where the US hooker flopped over the line for a try at the back of a maul...except it was the five meter line not the try line

I did that around a ruck once decades ago. Celebrated with a screech and a fist in the air.
Can still hear the laughing from the opposition players and the crowd. My team mates didn't laugh.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:57 am Scotland U20 v USA U20

Scotland 40 USA 13

Comfortable in the end. Can't emphasise enough how important it is that we win this comeptition.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:43 pm A quality bit of forward play in the U20s where the US hooker flopped over the line for a try at the back of a maul...except it was the five meter line not the try line

Been there, done that

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:48 pm

Scotland 40 USA 13

Comfortable in the end. Can't emphasise enough how important it is that we win this comeptition.

Absolutely essential.

That game was all about Scotland, our mistakes kept it close int he first half, we dominated the second up to around the 72nd minuted, but our defence held out pretty well.

Afshar, Thomson & McLean went well in the backs, two locks were impressive, as was the hooker. Liam McConnell is a real workhorse.

robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:25 pm

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:19 pm Whatever the technicals, not impressed with Embra sining Everitt.

He was sacked for many good reasons

Why was he sacked?

I don't know enough about the guy but I always thought Sharks underperformed given the players they have, so maybe someone from there is not best placed to solve Embra's underperformance problem.

He was gone after Sharks got whacked like 0-36 at home to Cardiff or such

String of poor results, no long term development of players under his watch, bringing in old journeymen of poor quality, hesitant exposure of youth, unable to deal with reintegration of national players when available and weak gameplans involving a lot of kicking when Sharks have some of the best backs around (albeit weak 10, but Everitt had long enough to try fix that, but stuck with an non-improving Bosch)

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:08 pm

robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:25 pm

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:19 pm Whatever the technicals, not impressed with Embra sining Everitt.

He was sacked for many good reasons

Why was he sacked?

I don't know enough about the guy but I always thought Sharks underperformed given the players they have, so maybe someone from there is not best placed to solve Embra's underperformance problem.

He was gone after Sharks got whacked like 0-36 at home to Cardiff or such

String of poor results, no long term development of players under his watch, bringing in old journeymen of poor quality, hesitant exposure of youth, unable to deal with reintegration of national players when available and weak gameplans involving a lot of kicking when Sharks have some of the best backs around (albeit weak 10, but Everitt had long enough to try fix that, but stuck with an non-improving Bosch)

Sounds like a natural Edinburgh coach