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Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:52 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:56 pm
Well this is a surprise is it not? ONS reporting 2.3 million with covid in UK due to spread of BA4 and BA5. Reinfection rates are high. With these levels of infection expect more disruption to commerce, services and in particular the NHS as more staff go off ill. Whilst we will avoid way below the level of deaths as in first few waves thanks to vaccinations (although we still have 13 million unvaccinated in the UK) and better treatment pathways, I would expect a not insignificant % of those currently infected to develop long covid and stay off work longer. Not good for the economy. With case numbers increasing in many European countries it looks like we still have a pandemic folks!

https://news.sky.com/story/number-of-pe ... n-12643681

It’s ok, it’s only the flu

Also, a new study found that COVID-19 increases risk of Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s & stroke.

https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/c ... oke-study/

Zarifkar does note the increased risk of these neurological conditions following COVID-19 does mirror what has previously been reported following cases of influenza or bacterial pneumonia. However, due to the sheer prevalence of COVID-19 infections, it is likely baseline rates of these neurodegenerative diseases will rise around the world over the coming years.

“We found support for an increased risk of being diagnosed with neurodegenerative and cerebrovascular disorders in COVID-19 positive compared to COVID-negative patients, which must be confirmed or refuted by large registry studies in the near future,” added Zarifkar. “Reassuringly, apart for ischemic stroke, most neurological disorders do not appear to be more frequent after COVID-19 than after influenza or community-acquired bacterial pneumonia.”

For decades researchers have seen a correlation between certain viral infections and neurodegenerative disease. Perhaps most well-known was the increase in rates of Parkinson’s disease following the Spanish Flu pandemic in the early 20th century.

dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:16 pm Economic impact of covid .... this reflects the BoE view about a shrinking workforce due to long covid. Looks like 'living with it' ain't going very well? Infections and hospitalisations increasing, NHS really struggling now.

https://www.ft.com/content/63dcc4d1-8b5 ... e3d1d98585

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:51 am NZ isolated themselves only to be exposed to the fullgrown, most vicious variants.

Luckily Kiwis are strong, will eventually win this one too. The Spiritual Guardians of COVID....

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:51 am NZ isolated themselves only to be exposed to the fullgrown, most vicious variants.

Luckily Kiwis are strong, will eventually win this one too. The Spiritual Guardians of COVID....

dpedin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:19 am

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:51 am NZ isolated themselves only to be exposed to the fullgrown, most vicious variants.

Luckily Kiwis are strong, will eventually win this one too. The Spiritual Guardians of COVID....

Yep - in total so far NZ has 222 deaths per million due to covid, the UK has 2,688 deaths per million due to covid. Someone got it wrong! Just as well the Blonde Bumblecunt got all the big calls right eh despite having first dibs on the vaccine?

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:21 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:06 pm Thank feck we have learnt to live with it eh?

As predicted another wave here and hitting NHS very very hard, staff absences due to covid running very high which along with normal sickness and peak holiday period means it is struggling badly. Silence from Gov and whoever is worrying about this sort of thing. Expecting next wave in September/October from what I am hearing.

Tbf we have learned to live with it. It peaked here in the last week and it was never really news. The chat is more about how many other doses are around e.g tonsillitis. Its been a rocky Ju e. I am now nearly 4 weeks since I got my dose and still hacking up loads of stuff. A proper awful dose and all joking aside the worst I can ever remember

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:22 pm

Grandpa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:38 pm Finally managed to get mum home. She's still very frail... But alive. We both ended up with Covid a few days after leaving hospital! Six weeks in there... Must have caught it in the final days. Funnily enough it knocked me around more than mum. Was just a cold for her... Luckily, as if she had felt as bad as I did I doubt she would have survived.

Half the staff seemed to have had it. So a lot of staff shortages in the final couple of weeks... Glad to be out of it. But caring for mum while barely able to stand is not easy! Lucky my sister helped out .. and hasn't caught Covid off us... And only now are we letting anyone else in the house.

Your sister is typhoid Mary and I claim my lifetime supply of masks

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:24 am

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:21 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:06 pm Thank feck we have learnt to live with it eh?

As predicted another wave here and hitting NHS very very hard, staff absences due to covid running very high which along with normal sickness and peak holiday period means it is struggling badly. Silence from Gov and whoever is worrying about this sort of thing. Expecting next wave in September/October from what I am hearing.

Tbf we have learned to live with it. It peaked here in the last week and it was never really news. The chat is more about how many other doses are around e.g tonsillitis. Its been a rocky Ju e. I am now nearly 4 weeks since I got my dose and still hacking up loads of stuff. A proper awful dose and all joking aside the worst I can ever remember

Mate, you know dpedin lives for such news. I’m not sure he will be happy until we are all in hazmat suits, like him.

dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 9:36 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:24 am

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:21 pm

Tbf we have learned to live with it. It peaked here in the last week and it was never really news. The chat is more about how many other doses are around e.g tonsillitis. Its been a rocky Ju e. I am now nearly 4 weeks since I got my dose and still hacking up loads of stuff. A proper awful dose and all joking aside the worst I can ever remember

Mate, you know dpedin lives for such news. I’m not sure he will be happy until we are all in hazmat suits, like him.

Don't look up!

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:54 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:00 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62279436

Oh dear!

5 deaths

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:54 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:00 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62279436

Oh dear!

5 deaths

Good to see lots of people commenting on something they know very little about

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:58 am

Good to see lots of people commenting on something they know very little about

That’s what the bored is here for. But seriously, that type of comment wreaks of dismissive arrogance

It’s putting monkey pox in the same ball park as

Six events were declared PHEIC between 2007 and 2020: the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic, Ebola (West African outbreak 2013-2015, outbreak in Democratic Republic of Congo 2018-2020), poliomyelitis (2014 to present), Zika (2016) and COVID-19 (2020 to present).

The others in the list would appear a little more significant in terms of risk to life/disability.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 8:51 am You are so going to hell

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:46 am 5 deaths = Global Health Emergency

WHO obviously are missing the media attention, and perhaps boosted funding.

Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:51 pm It's possible the mystery behind the hepatitis outbreak has been solved. Combination of delayed immunity due to lockdown against Adeno-associated virus and adenovirus, and increased genetic susceptibility

Likely cause of mystery child hepatitis outbreak found
By Michelle Roberts
Digital health editor
Published
18 hours ago

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Noah and his mum Rebecca
Image caption,
Rebecca says her son, Noah, became severely ill, very quickly


UK experts believe they have identified the cause of the recent spate of mysterious liver problems affecting young children around the world.

Investigations suggest two common viruses made a comeback after pandemic lockdowns ended - and triggered the rare but very serious hepatitis cases.
More than 1,000 children - many under the age of five - in 35 countries are thought to have been affected.
Some, including 12 in the UK, have needed a lifesaving liver transplant.

The two teams of researchers, from London and Glasgow, say infants exposed later than normal - because of Covid restrictions - missed out on some early immunity to:
- adenovirus, which normally causes colds and stomach upsets
- adeno-associated virus two, which normally causes no illness and requires a coinfecting "helper" virus - such as adenovirus - to replicate

That could explain why some developed the unusual and worrying liver complications.

Noah
Image caption,
Noah is one of 10 children in recent months to have needed a liver transplant for the condition

Noah, three, who lives in Chelmsford, Essex, needed an urgent liver transplant after becoming dangerously ill with hepatitis.

His mother, Rebecca Cameron-McIntosh, says the experience has been devastating.

"He'd previously had nothing wrong with him," she says. "And for it to suddenly go so quickly. I think that's what kind of took us by surprise.

"We've just assumed it was one little problem that will get easily sorted out - but actually it just kept on snowballing."
Initially, Rebecca was lined up to donate part of her liver - but, after a serious reaction to drugs used, she ended up in intensive care.

Noah was put on the transplant list and, soon after, received a new organ.

His recovery has been good - but he will need to take immunosuppressant drugs for life, to stop his body rejecting the new liver.

Noah's mum
Image caption,
Rebecca says Noah will stay on medication for life

Rebecca says: "There is something really heartbreaking about that because you go along following the rules, do what you are supposed to do to protect people that are vulnerable and then, in some horrible roundabout way, your own child has become more vulnerable because you did what you were supposed to do."

Cases such as this are rare. Most children who catch these types of viruses quickly recover.
- It is unclear why some then develop liver inflammation - but genetics might play a part.
- Scientists have ruled out any connection with coronavirus or Covid vaccines.

One of the investigators, Prof Judith Breuer, an expert in virology, at University College London and Great Ormond Street Hospital, said: "During the lockdown period when children were not mixing, they were not transmitting viruses to each other.

"They were not building up immunity to the common infections they would normally encounter.

"When the restrictions were lifted, children began to mix, viruses began to circulate freely - and they suddenly were exposed with this lack of prior immunity to a whole battery of new infections."

Experts are hopeful that cases are now becoming fewer but are still on alert for new ones.

Prof Emma Thomson, who led the University of Glasgow research, said there were still many unanswered questions. "Larger studies are urgently needed to investigate the role of AAV2 in paediatric hepatitis cases.

“We also need to understand more about seasonal circulation of AAV2, a virus that is not routinely monitored - it may be that a peak of adenovirus infection has coincided with a peak in AAV2 exposure, leading to an unusual manifestation of hepatitis in susceptible young children."

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:37 am The more worrying thing for me is that genuine idiots like me predicted you would have a rash of wacky illnesses as any mass separation of people, and particualrly children, like that would have consequences. We sacrificed their emotional, scholastic and physical health and I am not sure it was worth it. In a less altruistic sense I am still not right after the dose I got 6 weeks ago. What about me!!!!!

petej wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:39 pm

Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:51 pm It's possible the mystery behind the hepatitis outbreak has been solved. Combination of delayed immunity due to lockdown against Adeno-associated virus and adenovirus, and increased genetic susceptibility

Excellent work to unpick that. Last winter/spring was a near constant barrage of illness for parents of very young children.

Is it the case that the longer China takes to drop zero covid the worse it will be when it does decide to open up?

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 3:01 pm

petej wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:39 pm

Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:51 pm It's possible the mystery behind the hepatitis outbreak has been solved. Combination of delayed immunity due to lockdown against Adeno-associated virus and adenovirus, and increased genetic susceptibility

Excellent work to unpick that. Last winter/spring was a near constant barrage of illness for parents of very young children.

Is it the case that the longer China takes to drop zero covid the worse it will be when it does decide to open up?

Even amongst some Chinese there is a sense that they are simply delaying, at an enormous financial and social cost, the inevitable. Doesn’t help that the elderly are the least vaccinated amongst them.

petej wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 3:48 pm
The drop in immunity to other bugs due to suppressing everything for so long must get worse the longer they wait and also as viruses mutate constantly won't the difference due to mutation increase the longer they suppress everything. Also very bad for young children to be in such a sterile environment.